http://eve-search.com/ The alternative EVE-Online Forum browser. en-us Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000 EVE-Search RSS Module v1.0 chribba@evemail http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=850917 Edited by: Darkeen on 20/08/2008 04:07:56
Hello,

Is there a point to training Learning to Rank 5 if your not sure if your going to be around in 3 years?
One year, yes, I'll probably still be here... but 2+ - I dont know.

I've got 7 skills at rank 4 and want to move them to rank 5.
Working out the time to train learning to 5 is 7+ days.
The total time saved by training all these skills to Rank 5 would be 33 hours (give or take an hour or two).
Since I would be wasting almost 5 and a half days is there any point in doing the training?

At what point do you say that it would be worth it?
Training all Industry processing skills to Level 5? (why when you can go toa better station with better processing facilities...)
When your training dreadnoughts with really high training times?

When have you decided to get the Learning to 5?
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What have other people done as a Trader after they have finished the Trader skills?

I am a pretty new character so I am not finished or close to finishing the Trader line but I want to plan out my character. I have VERY High Int/Memory/Charisma. I think my Perc/Will both started out at 3 or 4. Just by looking at the Pirmary/Secondary attributes for each group of skills my options are.

Corporation management: MEM/CHA(Currently not in a Corp)
Electronics: INT/MEM
Engineering: INT/MEM
Industry: MEM/INT
Mechanic: CHA/INT
Science: INT/MEM
Social: CHA/INT

So basically my skills are built to go into these categories. Science or Industry seems like the logical place to go to make more money.

What kind of limitations does my char have with Perc/Will being so low if I were to jump into Science or Industry?

Any suggestions are appreciated!
]]> Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:15:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8567671 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=850471 Caldari Achura
Intel - 10
Memory - 8
Perception - 10
Willpower - 8
Charisma - 3

Give me some input, is there a better skill setup i should choose while im still young, id hate to become an old character with messed up attributes.]]> Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:43:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8567491 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=850408 Edited by: Baron Primus on 19/08/2008 14:32:58
]]> Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:20:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8566952 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=850366 Edited by: Code Black on 19/08/2008 13:07:30
I was wondering if anyone could tell me what skills are needed in order to create an alliance. I think it may be megacorp management and empire control to lvl 5, but I'm not sure if I would also need sovereignty or not?]]> Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8566522 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=850240
I have a character (this one, Sebiestor-Tinkerer) trained to about 25KK XP now.
His base stats were (including bloodline bonus):

int13
cha6
per6
mem7
will7

Now, 1.5 years later I look at the char and think that for the set of skills I trained the following roll could be better:

int11
cha6
per8
mem7
will7

What tool can i use to see the training time of both characters for the skills I have on current one?

Just an academic interest, I like this char :)]]> Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:32:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8565082 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=850059 Edited by: Ami Nia on 19/08/2008 00:20:41
edit: spelling

This started as a reply to this thread but it became pretty long and I think there's enough new information to grant a separate thread on this evergreen topic.

Of course reading the stickies is still compulsory. Especially the Attributes & Skills Guide by Hardin & Tripoli.


First of all a note about implants.
If you can afford them, they are really worth it. At least the +3 set (maybe short of the charisma implant) I highly recommend. When exactly is best to train for them really depends on what your starting skills are, especially because Science 3 is a prerequisite to training Cybernetics and some races/careers combinations will give you Science 3 upfront, while others will not give Science at all.
EveMon can help you to find out. If you are unsure and want a general rule do this:

- If you can only afford a +3 set or less (maybe short of the charisma implant) go for Cybernetics 1 right after Analytical Mind 2 (see below).
- If you can only afford a +4 set (maybe short of the charisma implant) go straight for Cybernetics 4 right after Analytical Mind 3 (see below).
- If you can afford a +5 set (maybe short of the charisma implant), I presume you can also shell out the isks for two extra +3 implants. In this case go for Cybernetics 1 right after Analytical Mind 2, then plug in +3 intelligence and memory. You'll use them until you trained Logic 4 then train up Cybernetics 5 and plug in the +5 implants (note: it may be a good idea to train Infomorph Psychology I and pay for a Jump Clone service to spare those +3s as they may come in handy later on).

In any case, you need not buy/plug in any implant but intelligence and memory until Part 3.

A little note: the above is not strictly rigorous and optimal for all cases but is pretty much on the spot as a "general rule". To squeeze out the very best training time down to the last minute you need to actually do the hard math on a case by case basis. Plus "uber optimal" can actually be nonsense. Unless you are willing to do things like spend for two +4 implants to be used only for the training of Cybernetics 5 (if you are that sort of crazy, then there's a fee of 50 million isk for reading this post, payable to me).


Now for the actual skills.


*** Part 1, the intelligence/memory/learning triage.

Instant Recall 1
Analytical Mind 1
Learning 1
Instant Recall 2
Analytical Mind 2
Learning 2
Instant Recall 3
Analytical Mind 3
Learning 3
Instant Recall 4
Eidetic Memory 1
Eidetic Memory 2
Eidetic Memory 3
Analytical Mind 4
Logic 1
Logic 2
Logic 3
Learning 4
Eidetic Memory 4
Logic 4
Instant Recall 5
Analytical Mind 5
Learning 5
Eidetic Memory 5
Logic 5

You should train at least to Logic 3 ASAP (to Learning 4 if you use implants).
Train to Logic 4 if you are staying for more than a few months.
Train to Analytical Mind 5 if you are staying for more than 8-10 months (to Learning 5 if you use implants).
Train Eidetic Memory 5 and Logic 5 only if you know you'll stay for several years AND you have implants (or if you plan to just sell the character).

... continues ...]]> Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:15:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8563517 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=849946 ]]> Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8562328 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=849902
Can anyone help me?

(Not race specific . . ie any race will do)]]> Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:01:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8561963 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=849789
Does this apply to Capital ships? They don't technically require the skill to fly, but it is a pre-req for the Capital Ships skill. Given how maneuverable Capital ships are (think molasses in January), I'm inclined to say no.

I do realize that this question is at least somewhat moot since the skill is required for Capital Ships and as such is not an optional train, but I'm curious and thought I would ask anyways.

Thanks, and fly safe.
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"I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne ]]> Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:12:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8560840 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=849740
]]> Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:57:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8560436 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=849564
Here am I and I stand at a massive crossroads a bit confused in this station I am in right now. I am trying to figure out right now what ship i should move myself into, or if i should work up skills to better fit the Drake.

90% of the time I simply sit in a belt and guard my miner/industrial other character.

The other 10% of the time I am running missions. I am running level 3's. As my miner is now in a hulk and able to handle drones for npc defense fine (high sec empire space) I no longer really need to keep a bcs on standby to overkill the rats with couple missles.

Currently I own the following

6 Caracal's
-Two packaged
-two in t2 heavy launchers
-two in t1 heavy launchers

2 Drake's
-one packaged
-one fitted T2 everything i can

BPC for Raven
-just about half the minerals for it.

My problem is this..
I dont know enough about ships or pve yet here in eve.. only been playing on and off little under a year. ..to know what is best for mission running in and around the high/low sec areas. PC Pirates are not an issue, nor is ship loss for i can replace what gets blown up in a few days of mining and get more bpc's to replace what gets blown up.

I just would rather not get into the habit of spending half a week to replace 2 ships i lost in missions.

So basically my question is this. What should I do.
Cerberus, Drake, Manticore, Nighthawk, Raven are the five that capture my interest the most. I already know that I have outgrown the Caracal's.

My short term goal it to continue running these L3's until I can run the L4's and get my standings up enough to get a couple clones with the Sisters of Eve. I want to do that as quickly as possible in the best ship possible for the job.

My long term goal is the Nighthawk to boost the other ships in my corp's fleet, currently i have the best leadership skills of anyone within my corp. So its either get that ship or roll an alt once my hauler acct gets up to freighter that is a pure leadership person.

I dont plan on ever going into 0.0 aside from the odd mission that may send me there. Im looking to gear just for pve for right now as well.

Looking at my skills I could spend a few months and max out the relivent missle skills and shield skills. but beside that I have absolutly no clue. All that I have pritty much done thus far is train missile skills. rat or run missions and shoot missles at range and blow stuff up before they get close to me to hit me. Only problem now is the L3s that I am running hurt my shields rather baddly.. Ive had a couple i needed to go back to station for to recharge cap due to t2 med shield and 4 of the range booster mid slot things draining all me cap. I can shoot 145ish km away from me fairly effectivly but the missions i end up with all send me to the middle of a bunch of ships that tear thru my shields.

The Drake I am in worked fine for the L2 missions, they were a cakewalk in it.. but these L3s are almost beyond me.

My thought is to finishing building the raven and optomize it, but i heard from a few people that the drake is the ship to be using as a missle caldari for L3 missions.

Sorry its so long winded but im half asleep at the now.

]]> Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:06:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8558809 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=849522 ]]> Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:00:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8558353 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=849508 Make a new one.

Assuming you have less than 2 mill SP...

Otherwsie... hell I'd loose it anyway...

Regards,

Jason Brisbane
]]> Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:06:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8558234 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=849463
Note here, that I came up short not because of skills related to reducing PG requirements on modules, but that my base PG is somehow less than the theoretical max according to EFT. Yes I have engineering at V, and no the recon ships don't get any ship bonuses to PG.

So I turn to you guys, could someone kindly make a list of all the skills that INCREASES your pg? I must have missed a skill and left it at IV or something =/
]]> Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:31:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8557820 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=849274 Edited by: Slyton Silur on 17/08/2008 21:39:56
Okay, here is the story: I got two characters, both very similar in skills, both combat/pvp characters. The difference is that one got x mill sp more.

Skills:
http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=ODE2Njg3ODUz
http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=NzAyNTc0OTM4

Until now Slyton has been my main, but am getting ready to move over to Dego. And the question then is, what should i do with Slyton? I don't feel like training the same skills on both. So right now i see two options, train for another race, or just sell him for isk. And here is where your help is needed, what do you think? Any tips on what i can do with Slyton is appreciated.
]]> Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:38:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8556232 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=849093
Thanks!






Frigate about it!]]> Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:15:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8554459 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=848990
is there a direct correlation between loyalty points and standings gain?]]> Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:25:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8553610 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=848924 im a new EVE player and couple of weeks ago i started a new char

Intaki,Reborn,Prospector..i think the base was M 15, I 11, CH 6, W 6, P 3

The problem is, everyone is telling me, that i will suffer alot because of low its PER

The idea was to be miner/cargo hauler, later maybe industry...and in pvp i do not aim to fly large spaceship, maybe cruisers max, i prefer frigates and destroyers, or some drone cruisers.

So I would like to get info from players with P3 :-)) if its really so horrible if i will not train for every ship in existence.

Thanks for info
]]> Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:57:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8553017 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=848651
this chart is wrong:

Instant Recall - Level 1
Analytical Mind - Level 1
Learning - Level 1
Instant Recall - Level 2
Analytical Mind - Level 2
Learning - Level 2
Instant Recall - Level 3
Analytical Mind - Level 3
Learning - Level 3
Instant Recall - Level 3
Analytical Mind - Level 3
Learning - Level 3
Instant Recall - Level 4
Analytical Mind - Level 4
Learning - Level 4
Instant Recall - Level 5
Analytical Mind - Level 5
Eidetic Memory - Level 1
Logic - Level 1
Eidetic Memory - Level 2
Logic - Level 2
Eidetic Memory - Level 3
Logic - Level 3
Eidetic Memory - Level 4
Logic - Level 4
Learning - Level 5

edictic memory and logic take only 50 so minutes to learn. it has instant recall and anylitical mind to 5 placed before them. those take about 5 days to train.

i need the correct chart or instructions on how to get eve-mon to optimize a learning schedule.

atributes (including skills) are
mem 12
int 10
instant recall: 4
analytical mind: 2
learning: 1

thank you for any help
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]]> Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:41:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8550061 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=848527 Edited by: dietzen on 16/08/2008 20:18:42
Edited by: dietzen on 16/08/2008 20:11:03
Hello all, been browsing these forums and decided to post a question that's been bugging me:
I have been playing for about a week now, and I've been building my main for missions/pvp.(Minmatar/Seb/tink) I have 889k sp, and am 4 days away from having all basic learnings at lvl 4. But, I Have been thinking that my attributes are not very balanced. Given the fact that I haven't invested a ton of time into this character, I was wondering if it would be worth it to just start fresh with a more attribute balanced start. Att's are as follows:

Char- 7
Int- 16
Per- 12
Mem- 9
Will- 8

So, any thoughts or suggestions?

Also, when training ship or support skills, should i be training them to V?- or is it better to just train them to IV and use the extra time to train different skills?

Thanks

]]> Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:05:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8549962 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=848253
My Skills
]]> Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:25:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8547817 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=848221
I'm very very bored. Please find me something to do with my training time.
]]> Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:41:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8547576 http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=848022 ]]> Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:26:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8545877