I know my comment will just get lost among 5 billion pages, but I'll throw in my two-pence worth anyway!

I personally don't like the Goons - BUT I like that I don't like them. They add character to the game and give everyone else a villain to detest. Every game needs one, and here's it's the Goons.

They come into our high-sec space, blow up our Hulks, and generally wreak havoc. I hope they continue to do so because it makes my gameplay more interesting (and frustrating, which is also fun).

Ah yes but you see it's a sandbox...

except what 90% of the ppl in highsec that post on the forums do it on alts and then are immune to your doomy doom....

Also, I'm most certainly posting in an almost certainly troll thread that was possibly certainly started by an alt for lulz.

But I'm an alt also, making things a-ok on the karma scale

my friend don't sell yourself short you are not just capable of communication idioticy you are the greek god of communication idioticy

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Displeasing enough ? You guys are dweebs.

I'm just as capable of communication idiocy like a child......from time to time.

Oh that makes it ok to be wrong then yeah?

You don't know what the war against BoB was like... You weren't there man. You weren't there.

we announce nothing of the sort, we merely announce the flogging various members of highsec will recieve for displeasing us from time to time

Your thinking is wrong.

Why is one Alliance ANNOUNCING it controls EVE, when nothing is further from the truth ?

This game is a sandbox. The real question is, why are you allowing one alliance to control eve???

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

ITT we post incorrect information about past events and call it fact.

Mittani alt detected

Be more funny if it was a CCP alt tho

Goons follow well, that's why they are called goons.

We're not doing a good job of it then, letting NC. and Raiden. sit around in Tribute/Vale.

It's almost as if we want to have reds next door.

Welcome to the Sandbox.

You have two choices here, and the Goons have can NOT decide for you which one to take:

1. Deal with them and continue your standard routine. Accept possible consequences.
2. Move away from goon territory/target areas.

Noone has to go to Jita. No one has to mine when there is a planned, very public event occurring that endangers them.

If you don't want any outside influence in your game, why are you playing an MMO? Educate, adapt and all will be well... oh yeah, and HTFU.

-Shegunna Blow

Look at me, I'm so very pretty and special. I'm a pretty, pretty space girl. Look at meeeeeeeeee.....

I think people care that have the military capabilities, they're just cowards in regards to political fall out and taking a risk.

But yes, high sec people, the majority of subscribers, the one's most pissed about goons and their economic warfare and harassment against them, are the vocal group about this. If a few thousand ships went up against a goon fleet, it wouldn't matter if they were mission fit or not. 10,000 pieces of ammo flying at a ship is 10,000 pieces of ammo regardless of whether you pvp or pve.

Power changes hands every now and then regardless of who is in charge and how they became in charge.

Case in point: Band of Brothers (BoB)

Some time ago, there use to be a powerbloc that controlled much of Eve Online known as BoB. They were to the Goons as a government was to anarchists. BoB and Goons were the two most opposing forces at the time. Although I think the Goons use to operate under a different name before they were known as Goons. Can a Goonie please confirm?

Anyways, BoB wanted order and control over New Eden and its free market economy. Goons felt differently. They wanted chaos to be thrown into the mix. Overtime, one battle after another and one mismanagement after another on the part of BoB, the Goons won and BoB was no more.

Goons still like to invoke chaos even though they control the economy now. But eventually the Goons will be overthrown by another challenger who is willing to take them on for control of the free market economy.

Power changes hands every now and then regardless of who is in charge and how they became in charge.

That is a fact of life in New Eden that even the Goons themselves acknowledge.

you are dumb, do humanity a favour and kill yourself

edit: goons own

seriously, Arkturus??/


do you recall a former "Superpower" nation breaking up into 17 plus little republics?
Those same 17 republics are playing eve and they don't want to combine forces (or attempt to combine) because the CFC will wipe the floor with their sorry arses and then they'll bring the rest of their "BOTS" INTO EMPIRE.
the only good things about Russia are Anna Kounakova, Maria Sharapova and all those Sports Illustrated Russian swimsuit models.

caviar anyone??????

Read something on that other site that the reason Goonie plan (oxymoron I realize that that is) is to conquer all of 0.0 then quit the game and watch the power vacuum

They are controlling EVE because they are the only group that is willing to work towards controlling EVE. If you have a problem with them then create your own group and do battle.

"For evil to flourish, it only requires good men to do nothing."
-Simon Wiesenthal

In EVE you have the ability to shape the universe. CCP has given you the tools, stop expecting them to do the work.

I also like how people easily forget that GOONs has fallen once before and not by a massive fleet or bad leadership, but by one person. You probably won't be able to do the same thing that caused them to fall once, but with all of the Anti-GOON fever around lately if you stopped sitting in your miner you could easily get many people to rise up and join your cause.

Anyone who wants to see the GOONs go should seize the opportunity now. All of this internet drama is going to die down eventually and even the most prominent GOON haters aren't going to bother doing anything about it.

seriously, Arkturus??/


do you recall a former "Superpower" nation breaking up into 17 plus little republics?
Those same 17 republics are playing eve and they don't want to combine forces (or attempt to combine) because the CFC will wipe the floor with their sorry arses and then they'll bring the rest of their "BOTS" INTO EMPIRE.
the only good things about Russia are Anna Kounakova, Maria Sharapova and all those Sports Illustrated Russian swimsuit models.

caviar anyone??????

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ahaha thats funny coming from a GOON PET...

Because you and your ilk are shitting up the forums instead of shooting back. Duh.

During CSM elections, you guys loved to spout how 10058 voices are nothing against the larger populace of EVE. Yet you seem to be unable to actually DO anything and let your game be controlled by this group that you portrayed as a minority. What does that say about you?

You have nobody to blame but yourself. I hope the Death Squad already has your main on its list :)



Sheeesh, stupid people always hating on the only guys who are actually playing this game.

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

[quote=evereplicant] The players are responsible for what goes on in it. It you don't like goons having power feel free to make your own alliance and take it away from them.

If people hate them so much, why don't you do something about it instead of whining on the forums? How about someone like the Mittani unify alliances into waging war on the Goonswarm? It's all very simple really, just takes patience and time. Two traits next to all prospectors know.

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

No, being vague and offering no evidence is enough to get the EVE-O forums going.

Maybe if you gave some actual accusation instead of insinuations us players could do something about it. Or maybe we could get some Sreegs wrath. Part of his job is to hunt down Developers who are breaking the rules.

To be honest, wardeccing us right now would be kinda expensive cause we just wardecced the largest Freighter corps and alliances in Highsec.

(What, did you kids think Concord would save you?)

?

Naughty naming names !!!!

You really need to look at the big alliance and the top members ..

I think we're winning because we just like this game more than the rest of these kids. Hell, most of them don't even like it enough to play it themselves (I'm looking at you, Ice miner bots).

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

Yes I am certain that we are winning because of insider information and not because of the 1000 man fleets.

Best idea so far - goons would love it, and so would everyone else...

vOv

The question should be more ............. why have so many people with so much "insider information" **cough** been allowed to form corporations / alliances that have dominated Eve.

I still find it funny that 99% of these corps / alliances have had Eve developers, programmers etc in their
decision making team.

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

why dont you just declare war on the goons?

In fact if everyone did that, at the same time, much fun would be had - which is what games are supposed to be about.

So come thursday evening, dry your eyes and dec the goonies. That is, if you have the 300 million iskies it costs (ripoff!)

The question should be more ............. why have so many people with so much "insider information" **cough** been allowed to form corporations / alliances that have dominated Eve.

I still find it funny that 99% of these corps / alliances have had Eve developers, programmers etc in their
decision making team.

Where are these developers? Can you name us some names besides T20

Where are these developers? Can you name us some names besides T20?

I understand Prencleeve already has an anti-goon scheme in the works. He's a dysfunctional 13 year old and even he probably has more chance of bringing us down than most of the mouth-breathers in this thread who might be inclined to try.

The question should be more ............. why have so many people with so much "insider information" **cough** been allowed to form corporations / alliances that have dominated Eve.

I still find it funny that 99% of these corps / alliances have had Eve developers, programmers etc in their
decision making team.

Look for sterling dress shirt (white) on contracts. It was about 10M when I bougth it, a month or so ago.
Japanesse players got it as a gift together with the quafe IV ultramarine.

Haven't seen that shirt before. Where did you get?

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

Because we don't care. Seriously, I fail to see how goons controlling some irrelevant set of regions out of thousands and thousands of systems affects me at all, apart from some little raise on the gallente ice prices (which, by the way, I don't give a **** about) here and there.

OH DEAR GOD GUYS! What will we ever do now that BOB... errrr... Goons... errrr.... NC... errrr... Russians... errrr... Goons again have taken over Eve! NOBODY WILL BREAK THEIR POWER EVER!

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

yup. In the initial game planning, they utterly missed the potential for domination of one single important commodity.

It was about as well thought out as the role of Titans.

yup. In the initial game planning, they utterly missed the potential for domination of one single important commodity.

It was about as well thought out as the role of Titans.

this is my opinion

goons have the numbers: if you have the numbers then you make up a large percentage of the eve player base

at any given time he mittani could say to his alliance and all alliances that are blue to goon: "hey guys ccp wants to screw with us, we will screw with them.. kay guys no one log on for a month"

bam tens of thousands of players not logged on.. what happens? ccp loses sponsors.. what happens when you lose sponsors? you lose money. etc etc etc

they are simply in a position of power because they have the numbers.

Although i must agree that tech moons shouldn't "all be in the north". But it is what it is.

Yes a vague threat from a random alt holds great weight and is sure to give us cause for concern.

I'd ship all my stuff out of VFK and scurry back to Jita but some dumb Goons would probably blow it up.

But how many Botting Macks has my alt killed ?

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

Imo Goons don't control EVE and even if they did why should CCP do anything about it?

It's our game to play as we wish as long as we do it within the rules of the game.

As for Goons they're not really any different to any previous power, there's always something or someone else that will come along and beat them and start the cycle again.

[sarcasm]Actually looking at your battleclinic record, my old account has more kills and losses than you do so I can safely say that based on battleclinics API records I've unleashed more firepower than you have if you want to compare epeens [/sarcasm]

remember when these kinds of threads were about band of brothers?

And what great FIREPOWER have you unleashed lately. It would help if you ever undocked.

That right there will be your downfall, arrogance.

And you were doing so well until you gave the standard goon reply of 'STFU your an alt'. Why would I post as my main and invite unwanted attention on my activity.

You let them by omitting to do anything about them.

Yes a vague threat from a random alt holds great weight and is sure to give us cause for concern.

I'd ship all my stuff out of VFK and scurry back to Jita but some dumb Goons would probably blow it up.

I don't recal 'letting them". Anyone else. WHO let them do this ????

Who 'let' you post here ??

Wheels are in motion and goons would do well to keep BoB in mind.

I don't recal 'letting them".

If people hate them so much, why don't you do something about it instead of whining on the forums? How about someone like the Mittani unify alliances into waging war on the Goonswarm? It's all very simple really, just takes patience and time. Two traits next to all prospectors know.

only reason goons "control" eve is because people let them.

Goonswarm Federation has 8546 members. Factor in the many of those are alts/nebwies/bitter vets who don't log in... Plus nobody in our alliance 'had' to vote for him, nor did our allies... Because they're allies you see, not pets. Plenty of Goons didn't vote for him, I for one didn't bother to vote at all. And he still pulled in 10k votes so heh. Oh and FA members grumbling? Good intel there sport.

And you didnt answer the question.

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

blahblahblah

So yeas, competent/important enough to be able to build and lead an alliance with sufficient numbers to guarantee him over 10k votes.

What part of this are you struggling with? I'll be happy to explain, you see we Goons pride ourselves on taking time to help the less fortunate.

Nor was it competent/important enough to earn 10058 votes in the first place so it could then lose them hilariously.

At least this alt did not manage to lose 10058 votes

Oh no, it's the assault of the nameless faceless NPC alts, round #4718156

One might also ask why are we allowing the British Empire to control the entire world; weilding the puppet America state as our 40 pound Rottweiler?

[...] Some time ago, there use to be a powerbloc that controlled much of Eve Online known as BoB. They were to the Goons as a government was to anarchists. BoB and Goons were the two most opposing forces at the time. Although I think the Goons use to operate under a different name before they were known as Goons. Can a Goonie please confirm?

Anyways, BoB wanted order and control over New Eden and its free market economy. Goons felt differently. They wanted chaos to be thrown into the mix. Overtime, one battle after another and one mismanagement after another on the part of BoB, the Goons won and BoB was no more.

Goons still like to invoke chaos even though they control the economy now. But eventually the Goons will be overthrown by another challenger who is willing to take them on for control of the free market economy. [...]

The mittani is like Samson.

Get rid of his ped0 bear fluff on his chin and goon will goaway.

If only CONCORD was better and could blow gankers up before they gank.

Minority Report, was it?

If only CONCORD was better and could blow gankers up before they gank.

Minority Report, was it?

1. Cry, and complain in hopes mommy and daddy CCP will do some thing. (please don't do this, no one wants to hear it)

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

Yup, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh no, there is a group of people more motivated, willing, and cohesive than others in the sandbox.

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?...

Ah yes but you see it's a sandbox...

Did you try to double your hats ?

<< Empire pubbie, you can't crap in my hat though someone already stole it

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
[...]

No, there isn't. The only difference is time spent acquiring the resources. Do you think all those 0.0 alliances just popped into existence with their resources laid out for them? They had to take them from someone.

Yup, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I do think that the most fascinating thing in this thread is the amount of support we're getting, even if it's more like "it's a sandbox, deal with it" types of posts.

Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.

I love how all of Eve is:

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices

This is a Goon alt drumming up support, its posting is way too obvious.

i see the new npc alt party line is "goons are becoming too powerful this should not be allowed"

Yes, well, unlike a certain other alliance we won't start blurfing over some thin and entirely unnecessary excuse to swoop in and try to crush a bunch of upstarts we see as a threat, so at least if they come after us, there won't be a grudge of that scale involved...

Actually thats something I'll be watching... I mean, look at how serious they have taken other MMO's.... WE will be the ones calling THEM a sleeping giant.

which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

...

Be our guest. Might I suggest using ships that require Technetium to build?

GOON Biryani
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This is a delicious Pakistani/Indian rice dish which is often reserved for very special occasions such as Ramadan, weddings or parties. It has a lengthy preparation, but the work is definitely worth it.

Ready in 2 hours 30 mins

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Serves: 6
4 tablespoons olive oil or ghee
4 small potatoes, peeled and halved
2 large onions, finely chopped
2 cloves garlic, minced
1 tablespoon minced fresh root ginger
1/2 teaspoon chilli powder
1/2 teaspoon ground black pepper
1/2 teaspoon ground turmeric
1 teaspoon ground cumin
1 teaspoon salt
2 medium tomatoes, peeled and chopped
2 tablespoons plain yoghurt
2 tablespoons chopped fresh mint leaves
1/2 teaspoon ground cardamom
1 (5cm) cinnamon stick
1.3kg (3lbs) chicken breast chunks


2 1/2 tablespoons vegetable oil
1 large onion, diced
1 pinch saffron
5 pods cardamom
3 whole cloves
1 (2.5cm) cinnamon stick
1/2 teaspoon ground ginger
450g (1lb) basmati rice
1 litre chicken stock
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
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1.In a large frying pan, in 2 tablespoons vegetable oil (or ghee) fry potatoes until brown, drain and reserve the potatoes. Add remaining 2 tablespoons oil to the pan and fry onion, garlic and ginger until onion is soft and golden. Add chilli, pepper, turmeric, cumin, salt and the tomatoes. Fry, stiring constantly for 5 minutes. Add yoghurt, mint, cardamom and cinnamon stick. Cover and cook over low heat, stirring occasionally until the tomatoes are cooked to a pulp. It may be necessary to add a little hot water if the mixture becomes too dry and starts to stick to the pan. 2.When the mixture is thick and smooth, add the chicken pieces and stir well to coat them with the spice mixture. Cover and cook over very low heat until the chicken is tender, approximately 35 to 45 minutes. There should only be a little very thick sauce left when chicken is finished cooking. If necessary, cook uncovered for a few minutes to reduce the sauce. 3.Wash rice well and drain in colander for at least 30 minutes. 4.In a large frying pan, heat vegetable oil (or ghee) and fry the onions until they are golden. Add saffron, cardamom, cloves, cinnamon stick, ginger and rice. Stir continuously until the rice is coated with the spices. 5.In a medium-size pot, heat the chicken stock and salt. When the mixture is hot pour it over the rice and stir well. Add the chicken mixture and the potatoes; gently mix them into the rice. Bring to boil. Cover the saucepan tightly, turn heat to very low and steam for 20 minutes. Do not lift lid or stir while cooking. Spoon biryani onto a warm serving dish.
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For biryani, always use long grain rice. Basmati rice with its thin, fine grains is the ideal variety to use.

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Just remember somewhere out there, theres a goon with YOUR name on it.

The only way to solve this is to 1) build a BIGGER alliance or 2) an Alliance BLOB :)

The only way to solve this is to 1) build a BIGGER alliance or 2) an Alliance BLOB :)

I really like how people like you claim it's such a simple and easy effort to bring together an alliance of individuals to challenge the largest organization in Eve. Claiming this is a dumb ass post and that the concept is simple and anyone can do it shows absolutely no intelligence on your part.

That's like saying if you don't like oil prices and the monopoly oil companies have created, that I should go start my own oil company and run them down. There's this thing called resources. When one group controls all the resources you need to threaten them, there's nothing you can really do that would have a lasting impact. By the time anyone could amass a force large enough to take them down, they'd be 3x stronger than they were.

A REAL answer would be for all the nul alliances to realize that the goons are homogenizing 0.0 and that eventually, they'll run the whole thing and it's gg for eve. Unless they all come together and ruthless tear into the CFC in a completely and absolutely relentless attack that does not stop across all their territory, they can't be taken down.

i see the new npc alt party line is "goons are becoming too powerful this should not be allowed"

One can win EVE now?

Actually thats something I'll be watching... I mean, look at how serious they have taken other MMO's.... WE will be the ones calling THEM a sleeping giant.

Kill em all lol and have fun doing it

Band Of Brothers controlled EVE for MANY years.

Empires rise and fall just like anything else.

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

We're overdue a major screw up. But you see the problem (for everyone else) is that we enjoy the drama... Difference is with Goons when things go to hell we tend to pick ourselves up, laugh about it and then just carry on doing what we do.

I have a better idea. Why don't all the faceless NPC corp posters, who hate goons so much, get their mains out of hisec and fight goons instead?

Can't wait for the day goons implode( it may be closer than you think). No mega corp/alliance lasts forever.

Odds on the Japanese will be the hammer to fall.

No. Nowhere did I say they should be limited. I am making the point the the case of the goons is different than the case of BoB or another large alliance that you said has come and gone. You said goons would follow the same, so I was countering your argument. I also never said "he started it." You really should think critically before responding.

Only way i can see to cause havoc to goons if for everyone to leave 0.0 until goons get bored.

So, if I were to bring my gun club to Eve or a book club rose to power they'd have to be artificially limited on how successful they could be because they already know each other outside the game? Special cases have another word they tend to go by: Precendents. You're just making excuses for interrupting the natural flow of gameplay by saying 'He started it!'

One might also ask why are we allowing the British Empire to control the entire world; weilding the puppet America state as our 40 pound Rotweiller?

Seriously though... I don't like any of you goons but you know?

EVE wouldn't be EVE without them... And thats simply the way it is.

We did that already and it didn't slow us down much.

We did that already and it didn't slow us down much.

We did that already and it didn't slow us down much.

I forgot one actually.

Wait patiently for the inevitable screw up and watch them disband themselves accidentally.

I just resubbed after long hiatus and this is one of the first posts I see.

I found it hilarious, I remember the same exact posts... almost verbatem, about BoB. Now I don't see Bob anymore... I assume they lost sometime during my hiatus.

Yours had too many words.

Goons finally took them down.

Nerf the IBIS!!

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

Your options:
1: Admit defeat and quit EVE.

good luck forming a alliance that can attack a 75,000 player coalition thats being drip fed tech.

Only way i can see to cause havoc to goons if for everyone to leave 0.0 until goons get bored.

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

I just resubbed after long hiatus and this is one of the first posts I see.

I found it hilarious, I remember the same exact posts... almost verbatem, about BoB. Now I don't see Bob anymore... I assume they lost sometime during my hiatus.

No, they, like many players, get pissed when walking in stations gets more attntion than FLYING IN SPACE. Incarna was a disaster, and it wasn't the goons who passed judgement on it.

And finally a sensible counter argument. Thank you!

While in a normal situation I agree with you 100%, the Goons are a bit of a special case.

The alliances you mentioned were formed within Eve through blood, sweat and tears. they came, conquered, died, and left. Thus is the cycle. But the issue with goons is that they existed before coming to Eve, and they existed in the thousands. Forums and multiple other games are littered with the likes of them. This is a cause for concern. I don't believe they will simply die out with those kinds of numbers, history, and dedication to ruining everything they can as often as they can.

They exist beyond Eve, and will keep coming. So unless Something Awful shuts down...they won't be part of the extinction cycle anytime soon.

Not really.

You'll notice goons lose their mind whenever WiS is mentioned, because they know that will bring many more people.

What would Star Trek Deep Space 9 have been without the Borg ?

"Things that would make the game popular" is usually synonymous with "dilutory and pedantic simplification."

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

you can control CCP too.... you just need to be so awesome (like The Mittani) to gather more than 25 000 gamers.... so stop whining
its not my fault you dont have so many friends!

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone who disagrees with you is a goon alt. This is my main.

If anything, Goon influence would decline by that time. Remember Mo0, or BoB, or the Privateers? They were once the big dogs, too. You don't hear much about them any more. Politics and power in Eve is based entirely on THE PLAYERS and their actions. That is why Eve is a niche game; it's also why Eve is the only MMO with any real heart to it. The players decide what happens in this game. If you cannot deal with being on the losing side, you're in the wrong universe. Every time you undock your ship, you risk its destruction. Every time you fire a gun, you take countless lives. Every decision you make effects the rest of the game. If you can't accept decisions from others having just as much weight as your own, I don't know what to tell you.

Yes, this is true. But consider the following;

If I decide to start an alliance right now and spend three years building it up to the point that it could take on the goons right now, in 2012, do you really think that the goons influence and power would stay stagnant and not grow over the same three years?

By 2015, I could have my alliance attack the goons, but they would be 3 years stronger with god knows what and still decimate us. This goes back to some arguments regarding the difference in alliances established long ago versus new start ups and temporal inequality, but that's another story.

Bottom line, there is a difference, and no matter how much a new alliance builds up, the goons would always have that very VERY large head start. To think otherwise is simply ignorant, Mr. Goon-Alt.

Your avatar is the spitting image of Odo from DS9

I'm not sure what game you think you're playing. They control those moons through perfectly legal and valid mechanics. You will just hav to accept that New Eden is a scary place full of bad people.

No, there isn't. The only difference is time spent acquiring the resources. Do you think all those 0.0 alliances just popped into existence with their resources laid out for them? They had to take them from someone.

Standard combat aside, they do grief economically. By holding all the tech moons, they could do whatever they want in terms of economic warfare. If goons one day decide "eff CCP," they could destroy the entire market, across every Empire. It's not just a matter of physically avoiding them. They can attack anyone physically or through the wallet via inflation.

Welcome to the Sandbox.

You have two choices here, and the Goons have can NOT decide for you which one to take:

1. Deal with them and continue your standard routine. Accept possible consequences.
2. Move away from goon territory/target areas.

Noone has to go to Jita. No one has to mine when there is a planned, very public event occurring that endangers them.

If you don't want any outside influence in your game, why are you playing an MMO? Educate, adapt and all will be well... oh yeah, and HTFU.

-Shegunna Blow

There's a difference between 1 alliance building up from scratch with no resources and a coalition of multiple well established and well built alliances with SOME resources not controlled by Goons.

Think harder next time.

This has all happened before.

It will all happen again.

I can take only a quote from the great Babylon 5 too sum up power.


Mr Morden: What do YOU want ?

Lando Molari: I want my people to reclaim thier rightfull place in the galaxy; i want too see the Centarui stretch fourth thier hand again and command the stars.I want a rebirth of Glory, a renacance of power. I want too stop running thru my life like a man late for an appointment. Affraid too look back or look forward. I want us all too be WHAT WE USED TOO BE! . I WANT....*breathes* i want it all back the way that it was....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUYpUMaEI88

You are wrong sir. What you said is exactly what he said.

A coallition is nothing more than an aliance of alliances.

Think harder next time.

This is why goons are violently opposed to anything that could make the game popular: They like being a big fish in a small pond.

They exist in games like WoW, but no one cares about them. Here they're the center of attention.

I really like how people like you claim it's such a simple and easy effort to bring together an alliance of individuals to challenge the largest organization in Eve. Claiming this is a dumb ass post and that the concept is simple and anyone can do it shows absolutely no intelligence on your part.

That's like saying if you don't like oil prices and the monopoly oil companies have created, that I should go start my own oil company and run them down. There's this thing called resources. When one group controls all the resources you need to threaten them, there's nothing you can really do that would have a lasting impact. By the time anyone could amass a force large enough to take them down, they'd be 3x stronger than they were.

A REAL answer would be for all the nul alliances to realize that the goons are homogenizing 0.0 and that eventually, they'll run the whole thing and it's gg for eve. Unless they all come together and ruthless tear into the CFC in a completely and absolutely relentless attack that does not stop across all their territory, they can't be taken down.

1. Read "The Prince" by Niccol+ Machiavelli
2. Destroy Goons
3. ????
4. Kill Yourself

It would be interesting if a large alliance interdicting game play in non-sov space could be made red to the the rest of the player base. i.e. anyone can shoot them without concorde involvement. of course it would only be fair that as they are red to everybody, everybody is red to them. No concorde if they shoot anyone either. Basically they are putting themselves in opposition to the rest of the player base though and I think all things being even, they are biting off more than they can chew doing that, but only if we can shoot them.

Try harder. I don't think you're proving my point ENOUGH.

I love that. No matter what game you play, the default response to anyone who can't spend all day on a game from people who do and are "good at it" is that their butthurt and using real life as an excuse.

Reality ineptitude. Reality ineptitude never changes.

Meh. Eventually their monopoly will eff the economy up so much that most people will stop playing and move onto something else. At that point CCP will see that their game is doomed and the goons will have completed their mission; to ruin a game and everyone's good time, bankrupt a company, and shut down Eve. It's their goal and it has been all along.

But, CCP won't act on it, they never will.

Welp.

I love that. No matter what game you play, the default response to anyone who's good at it, from people who are bad at it, is 'WELL I HAVE A REAL LIFE.'

Butthurt. Butthurt never changes.

No, you have to have someone with no life who wants to make their entire life about a video game.

It isn't a coincidence that the leader of the biggest alliance in Eve doesn't have a job.

No, you have to have someone with no life who wants to make their entire life about a video game.

It isn't a coincidence that the leader of the biggest alliance in Eve doesn't have a job.

Fact is i think the only people who care THAT much are the ones whining about thier Sandy-box (sandy vagina)

And on top of my previous comment, you would have to throw away all sense of morality (if such a thing exists on Eve).

You'd need to think as Machiavelli did, the ends justify the means. Lie, cheat, steal, betray, harass, and metagame to an appropriate degree and you'd be able to destroy the goons completely. It is only when we become the enemy can we defeat the enemy.

No, you have to have someone with no life who wants to make their entire life about a video game.

It isn't a coincidence that the leader of the biggest alliance in Eve doesn't have a job.

you can control CCP too.... you just need to be so awesome (like The Mittani) to gather more than 25 000 gamers.... so stop whining
its not my fault you dont have so many friends!

And on top of my previous comment, you would have to throw away all sense of morality (if such a thing exists on Eve).

You'd need to think as Machiavelli did, the ends justify the means. Lie, cheat, steal, betray, harass, and metagame to an appropriate degree and you'd be able to destroy the goons completely. It is only when we become the enemy can we defeat the enemy.

i love it every time that some hisec miner talks about HITTING THE GOONS WHERE IT HURTS

then they realize that it doesn't involve making isk

something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this

something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this

One can win EVE now?

Because 0.0 is now a Risk Board game.

something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this

something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this

Form an alliance.
Get Members
Defeat Goons
???
Profit

There you go.

One can win EVE now?

Bumping so it is seen.

Then why the hell are you still playing this game? You don't belong here

Why is he allowed to control MY GAME when I pay and he is banned?

The big bad Mitten widdled in my sandbox. :cripes:

You really are trying too hard. Quite embarrassing really.

A BLOO BLOO MY MINING BOTS CAN'T RUN UNOBSTRUCTED A BLOO BLOO

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

I Once had sex

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.

We are hardly butthurt.

WE DON'T CARE !!!!!!


"Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies.

CareBears don't care so much they don't come to your space, and they don't harass you, and indeed they don't even fight back. That is the ultimate don't care and there isn't anything you can do, short of dying of starvation, next to a pack of Cheetos, that will demostrate a don't care level beyond that of the CareBear."
- Mass Attack

Goonswarm ate my Hamsters

We are hardly butthurt.

WE DON'T CARE !!!!!!


"Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies.

CareBears don't care so much they don't come to your space, and they don't harass you, and indeed they don't even fight back. That is the ultimate don't care and there isn't anything you can do, short of dying of starvation, next to a pack of Cheetos, that will demostrate a don't care level beyond that of the CareBear."
- Mass Attack

At the very core of sandboxyness is the ability of one sandbox to interact with and affect another's sandbox. Without such inter-sandboxian-action, we would just have individual piles of sand.

Redundant toons will be deleted.

Posting in an epic, butthurt because of Goons, thread.

eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox..

Brilliant

My impression of the whole thing is CCP wants to see how this plays out.

It's a kind of 'fact-finding' endeavor to see if they do indeed need to step in at some point in the future.

At the very core of sandboxyness is the ability of one sandbox to interact with and affect another's sandbox. Without such inter-sandboxian-action, we would just have individual piles of sand.

At the very core of sandboxyness is the ability of one sandbox to interact with and affect another's sandbox. Without such inter-sandboxian-action, we would just have individual piles of sand.

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

Eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.

One might also ask why are we allowing the British Empire to control the entire world; weilding the puppet America state as our 40 pound Rotweiller?

Ah yes but you see it's a sandbox...

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?
Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.

Examples

Jita
Ice Mining
Tech prices.

As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox.
This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...

So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm?