It's highsec, they should be able to.

Risk vs reward only comes in when its an argument against miners. Gankers cant ever have it used against them. Time-space shattering and vortices that destroy the universe and all that

lotta red bars there too lol

I suppose the risk is that people will stop putting zero tank on a 300M ISK ship and then leaving it sitting in space while going AFK

Yes, but where is the risk vs reward CCP and 0.0 pilots are always touting? How is it a risk for a player to skill up an alt and use it for one reason, to grief. There is 0 risk involved in that and easily done. The game would work as it was intended if this was balanced properly. At the time it isn't.

And stop trying to make it seem like you and the others are all hardcore. Blah...we're suppose to be playing a game. One we can all enjoy. Wouldn't it be better if we worked out a solution where this is possible?

Yes, but where is the risk vs reward CCP and 0.0 pilots are always touting?

If high-sec is supposed to be an alternative to 24/7 war, WTF ARE THERE WAR MECHANICS IN-GAME AND WHY IS CCP REVISITING THESE RULES?

The people of null and high-sec come together all the time to work this out. Usually it involves Tornadoes and Thrashers.

If new players can't handle losing ships when they're new (you can't fly a Hulk as a new pilot anyway - claiming otherwise is simpering) they won't be able to handle a loss when they're established due to the onset of hubris.

In short, they want us as little as we want them. The players you so caringly worry about losing were never meant to play this game in the first place.

If high-sec is supposed to be an alternative to 24/7 war, WTF ARE THERE WAR MECHANICS IN-GAME AND WHY IS CCP REVISITING THESE RULES?

The people of null and high-sec come together all the time to work this out. Usually it involves Tornadoes and Thrashers.

If new players can't handle losing ships when they're new (you can't fly a Hulk as a new pilot anyway - claiming otherwise is simpering) they won't be able to handle a loss when they're established due to the onset of hubris.

In short, they want us as little as we want them. The players you so caringly worry about losing were never meant to play this game in the first place.

Are you trying to say I'm mad? How can I be mad when I have a bowl of ice cream with candy in it that I am enjoying?

Here is a whine thread posted by Saia.

Your turnips are boiling.

I am highsec trader and I do not care how dangerous it is to fly here. I do not fly here, I just use courier contracts to outsource the risk of getting ganked.

So for me there is nothing which needs to be fixed.

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So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are.
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If high-sec is supposed to be an alternative to 24/7 war, WTF ARE THERE WAR MECHANICS IN-GAME AND WHY IS CCP REVISITING THESE RULES?

The people of null and high-sec come together all the time to work this out. Usually it involves Tornadoes and Thrashers.

If new players can't handle losing ships when they're new (you can't fly a Hulk as a new pilot anyway - claiming otherwise is simpering) they won't be able to handle a loss when they're established due to the onset of hubris.

In short, they want us as little as we want them. The players you so caringly worry about losing were never meant to play this game in the first place.

If high-sec is supposed to be an alternative to 24/7 war, WTF ARE THERE WAR MECHANICS IN-GAME AND WHY IS CCP REVISITING THESE RULES?

The people of null and high-sec come together all the time to work this out. Usually it involves Tornadoes and Thrashers.

If new players can't handle losing ships when they're new (you can't fly a Hulk as a new pilot anyway - claiming otherwise is simpering) they won't be able to handle a loss when they're established due to the onset of hubris.

In short, they want us as little as we want them. The players you so caringly worry about losing were never meant to play this game in the first place.

How ironic is it that CCP talks about risk-vs-reward yet allows players to skill up throw away alts, that can easily get into one of the cheapest ships in the game, where upon they can fly in high sec and blow up a ship 300 times the value of the ship they are flying?

Price a catalyst.
Price a hulk.

People in low and null sec scream that there is a huge imbalance in regions and that high sec players don't take the kind of risk people in low sec and null sec take.

Bulldung...complete and utter bulldung.

People in high sec are at just as much risk, if not more, than people in null sec and low sec. There is zero risk involved when a player can easily skill up an alt to fly a destroyer that only cost around 2 mil to buy and arm it. So tell me people of null and low sec with your camped gates and well protected play areas - how is where you play any different than the people that play in high sec?

Anyone that has played the snooze fest that is 0.0 knows that this risk - vs - reward is total BS. If anything the average pilots that do fly hulks and orcas in high sec take bigger risk than anyone playing in null sec. Especially when a person can so easily get into a cheap ship and blow the crap out of them any time they please.

CCP allows this - calls it game play when in actuality it is them laughing at you for thinking you are safe. People in high sec are the least safe people playing EVE. Yes it is griefing...it is griefing because it is so easily done. CCP doesn't care. The people that use the tactic do not care.

They are trolling you and all you do is - go get another tube of lube and say - "please sir...may I have some more."

If you want this to stop it is up to us high sec players to unite. Demand justice! Demand that this form of griefing be stopped. Unite under one flag and declare war on CCP. Stop being a victim. Start being assertive! Demand your rights as a player that CCP fix this unabashed exploit and bring some sense of fair game play to an area of space that is suppose to be the lesser of three evils. As it is now that is not the case - high sec is the most dangerous place for players to play EVE.

So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are. Bring balance back to this region of space by petitioning CCP to stop trolling you and to provide the game of EVE that is fair to all who play it and not just a chosen few.

Personally I do not care either way, what astounds me is the number of people who are not willing to work for anything and try to use some faulty moral code along with their helplessness to justify their request for others to do things.

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So...it's up to you. You the pilots, traders, industrialist, miners and salvagers of high sec to take a stand if you wish to see high sec become less of the killing grounds that they are.
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they seem to think that all those buy orders are from NPCs

they seem to think that all those buy orders are from NPCs

empire dwellers now realizing after 5 years that their endless injection of low-end minerals went somewhere

Protection would mean, Concord/Navy/Faction Police kills criminals with >-5 secstatus before they gank somebody.

Null sec "play areas" are protected by players. High sec is protected by an omnipresent and omnipotent NPC police...

Sorry, but I would never join any corp which uses terms such as, aspie, sperg, pubbie etc.

The use of such terms lets down the user far more than it could ever insult the intended target.

I am for too old for such childish school ground nonsense.

When I grow up I want to be the first female president!

Okay? Good for you on pointing out how great you are for not using mean words?

Sorry, but I would never join any corp which uses terms such as, aspie, sperg, pubbie etc.

The use of such terms lets down the user far more than it could ever insult the intended target.

I am for too old for such childish school ground nonsense.

I wonder if some of the accusers were actually goon alts. So confusing..

Funny, 6 months ago everyone was accused of being a CCP dev alt instead. And Devs are accused of being Goons. Argh its so confusing!

And now we come to the horrifying truth. We are all Goon or Dev alts. Every single poster in GD.

I wonder if some of the accusers were actually goon alts. So confusing..

And now we come to the horrifying truth. We are all Goon or Dev alts. Every single poster in GD.

I wonder if some of the accusers were actually goon alts. So confusing..

Funny, 6 months ago everyone was accused of being a CCP dev alt instead. And Devs are accused of being Goons. Argh its so confusing!

How often do goon alts post nonsense in the forums, just so other goons can attack their 'supposed' views?

The real aim being self - promotion by the goons, on the basis of 'any publicity is good publicity.'

Their Eve is the same one we all play.

A) they care about "their" eve
B) they don't give a **** about "your" eve...

Thus proving that miners don't really care about the success of Eve at all.

It is griefing. Plan and simple..

So once again, why not gather all your little pissed off mining buddies and come to VFK and put us in our place? It'd be a lot more effective than coming to the forums and whining about it.

The only thing between you and the cold void of space is a thin sheet of rolled tungsten and the good will of the guy with the bigger gun, and that is exciting.

So once again, why not gather all your little pissed off mining buddies and come to VFK and put us in our place? It'd be a lot more effective than coming to the forums and whining about it.

They don't try to stop mission botters either...it would cut into their wallet and they know it

a wyvern? lame

http://nasgul.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13293755
super successfully commissared

Oh, those FailFit Phoenix's down 'there' just don't count huh ? Ask Helicity about those.

only certain highsec miners feel entitled to afk fly in failfitted ships.

I see no egg, never did I say ALL, only you did.
* Flings poop back at the doctor.

Who said they're nerfing Rorquals?

With the upcoming nerf to the Rorqual would people still use it?

What about with rorqural bonuses

Would be longer as you'd have to factor in all the time for moving, not all rocks being veld etc.

3,700,047,890 tritanium is 3700048 veldspar or 14,000 hulk hours

screw that

It is, Andski looked up Isogen instead of Trit. You need 3.7b Trit for an Erebus.

It is, Andski looked up Isogen instead of Trit. You need 3.7b Trit for an Erebus.

What, WHAT?

I thought it would be more than just 200 hulk hours. Sheesh, and these were supposed to be rare...

It is, Andski looked up Isogen instead of Trit. You need 3.7b Trit for an Erebus.

What, WHAT?

I thought it would be more than just 200 hulk hours. Sheesh, and these were supposed to be rare...

200 hulk hours? Man, It would take TWENTY miners to mine that amount of veldspar in 10 hours. Where the hell are we going to find twenty people?

200 hulk hours? Man, It would take TWENTY miners to mine that amount of veldspar in 10 hours. Where the hell are we going to find twenty people?

the trit needed to build an ME0 Erebus with ME100 components: 54,129,570

that's 18,025,147 veldspar, less than 200 hulk hours

oh man that's way too much for the massive number of hisec hulk miners to produce

Sure you can. I give you permission.

And my evidence to the contrary is that 'it's stupid to mine veldspar when you can earn more isk doing anything else and buy trit with it.'.

You know, common sense.

the trit needed to build an ME0 Erebus with ME100 components: 54,129,570

that's 18,025,147 veldspar, less than 200 hulk hours

oh man that's way too much for the massive number of hisec hulk miners to produce

they seem to think that all those buy orders are from NPCs

Counterpoint:http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13214225

empire dwellers now realizing after 5 years that their endless injection of low-end minerals went somewhere

Yes, there is evidence but I can't post it here.
Do you have evidence to the contrary?

Freighters and Orcas are not flown by new pilots, and are not ganked by destroyers.

Well, some evidence would go a long way towards backing up your claims. Is there any proof anywhere that the 0.0 people hit by the ban hammer were running empire trit mining bot networks rather than ratting bot networks?

I think then you should rat your way into a titan, in a world where no one is mining any more. You go and wrack up all of those bounties and see what those blinky numbers in your wallet can buy you without minerals from asteroids.



If you had read.
You would have read the pyramid quotes about it not being about ISK. Probie.



* throws more poop at you.

empire dwellers now realizing after 5 years that their endless injection of low-end minerals went somewhere

I don't care where they came from. Maybe mining fairies seeded it. But I know that all of the supercapital ships I built came from market trit and not some secret 0.0 bot conspiracy.

Ofc, and its about where those 5B came from and where they are ultimately going that is at the core of this discussion.

Yougave us no reasonthat it's valid so far. Your pubbiebots farmenough trit for it's to buy, why wouldn't we just make much more money ratting with a tengu plus carrier?

It's always about isk though, and it will be about isk until there isn't 5b units of cheap trit waiting to be bought.

Its not hard to pull the strings of people like you. A half sensible person could make you dance for their amusement with fairly little effort IMO. Easy to read and easy to taunt.

so you're going puppetmasta now

Yougave us no reasonthat it's valid so far. Your pubbiebots farmenough trit for it's to buy, why wouldn't we just make much more money ratting with a tengu plus carrier?

OR allow moon mining in highsec to remove the power from nullblocks

Actually we went on for two pages with you seemingly unaware of what I was even talking about. Whatever it is that you are smoking that makes you feel superior, maybe you should market it.

OR allow moon mining in highsec to remove the power from nullblocks

It simply is not, and I gave ample reasons why.
But by all means, keep making Blah Blah.... that, I admit, you are quite good at.

But the logic is against -any- 0.0 players being stupid enough to kill their isk/hr to go mine in high sec. I mean, I'm sure one or two do, but we're trying to save as many as we can.

The timer should either be removed or the jump clone system should be removed.
Back before the jump clone system you 'lived' in constellation and it was yours. It's sad that it's not the case anymore.

You however have not posed any valid counter argument against null sec alts botting low ends

I see no egg, never did I say ALL, only you did.
* Flings poop back at the doctor.

When I get bored, obviously. I can't make the jump clone timer move any faster by looking at it.

"That is because highsec is where the nullsec bot alts go to pull cosmic **** tons of trit. Oh snap! I put egg on your face.... sorry."


Right here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1254971#post1254971

So be quiet while the grown ups are dealing with the problem.

No one said they are all null sec alts, you made that up.

You still haven't shown any evidence that high sec mining bots are all 0.0 alts besides 'people in 0.0 use a lot of minerals'.

Which is true, we do. And it's far more efficient for us to use tech money, or anomaly money, or complex money to buy them than it is to get out there and mine for whatever ****** amount of trit you get per hour.

If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.

We're doing our part to kill RMT and botting with hulkageddon. What have you done to stop RMT lately?

If these botters are alts of members of your alliance, another alliance or no ones alliance does not matter, if they are providing a necessary service to keep said alliances afloat in terms of sheer capital and supercapital ship output. They are not botting all of these mins to get an advantage in empire, they are doing so so they, or their nullsec consumers can get an advantage in null sec.

Wait... Goon you dont need to, have your RMT farms do it or was that what they were talking about when dude said you guys were especially hard hit by the bot bannings and that supposedly is how it prooves Sreegs isnt in your pocket?

Oh dear, I'd buy specifically non-botted trit, but the market doesn't let me buy from any order I want, only the lowest sell. Oh dear...

"stop buying things on the market you're supporting RMT"

okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS

people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire

booooooshhh


Minerals that spontaneously appear yea?
Or... are refined from missions. An Avatar built from refined mission trit, sure... that makes sense.

Actually, the vast majority of minerals which went into supercaps came from the drone regions.

It was in the QEN.

Btw stop supporting the RMT trade and mine your own minerals.

okay let me reveal OUR SECRETS

people grind isk in nullsec and buy minerals in empire

booooooshhh

You can't argue theoretical arguments against the fact that there is a tremendous amount of cheap trit on the market. Unless these 0.0 trit botting conglomerates are selling the trit to themselves because they are stupid.

Your entire premise here is wrong.


ISK is not the reason for botting, the minerals are. You need a cosmic **** ton of minerals to create all of these supercapitals that we see in game. & you need far more low ends (that are found in the safety of empire) then you do high ends, that are found everywhere else.



It is not about the isk
It is about people like you turning pictures of minerals into ships that you can fly and fap to.




ISK without ships and minerals is meaningless, and most of the supercapitals that you see flying in space were constructed with bot generated low ends mined in empire (TM)

Why wouldn't gankers in throw away shipalts go to lowsec ?

I'm not against high-sec PVP, ganking and griefing in general, but I do think the numbers merit some attention from Goons' BFFs, and a possible boost to the jumpfreighter and the hulk, to a level where they can operate in hisec.

Your assertion was that all of these bots were controlled by 0.0 players is still incorrect though. Because players in 0.0 have access to far better sources of isk/hr than bot mining.

They take that isk and use it to buy the trit from risk averse pubbies running bot farms in empire. (Although, as I said this certainly isn't the case anymore.)

Thank you for confining my assertions. We are now in agreement, can we be BFF"s?

Most of the bots banned were in empire because you can't bot mine in 0.0 in total safety.

no, people actually macromine

however, there is literally no reason for nullsec residents to macromine in hisec with alts

So what your saying is, there are no mining bots in EVE Online because any botter with half sense would make their bot army do something more profitable?

I can't help but notice how all counter arguments regarding how "Empire botters are not Null Sec mining alt botters" has completely melted away to "come at me bra".





Whelp.
I just wanted you to know, that we know, and your not as smart as you think that you are. It is just that CCP does not give a ****, and so meta gaming continues on. But when you come out and say that most of the bots that were banned were in empire, I will come out and tell you exactly why that is.




Have a nice day... probie

I thought the argument was only bots were doing the mining in the first place so who'd you buy the minerals of if nobody human mines?

Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on.

So logically the idea would be that you're safest mining where they won't go. Like low-sec.

Of course that's what it's going to boil down to. You claim that somehow you can make life difficult for 0.0 miners to the point where they would mine trit in empire and that is ridiculous.

Of course you're going to have to backup your claims eventually.

The problem is that they choose to be defenseless. Fit a mediocre tank and pack a set of medium ECM drones and your chances of survival are that much better.

Ok, so tell me why this army of bots (ugh, you are disgusting) wouldn't be running missions or ratting for isk which you could use to buy the trit you need.

I'm not convinced that even in a "best case scenario" for the Hulk/Mac pilot that they are much more than loot pinata's waiting to be popped...

also the massive hole in your logic, the idea that we don't mine lowends in nullsec because we're constantly permacamped (lol), is that we wouldn't mine high-ends either if that was the case

good god you really need to get back to the drawing board on your next conspiracy theory

Surely it doesn't matter what they're mining? They're waiting to be griefed. Come get your super puppetmaster game on.

Our miners are in Deklein, come get them.

Remember, I would only be doing this because I am a drunken wizard hat wearing meta gamer who takes EVE far to seriously to be healthy. I think spaceships are serious business, and all I need is one or two scout toons with my kind of dedication to hot drop an army of cov alts anywhere in your region. I will follow you.

I'll relocate back over the other side of Deklein again. I guarantee you'll get tired of jumping 15-20 jumps at a time before I will get tired of scooping up all my hulks and cynoing out.

Just one or two Cov cyno alts.
Running bubbles is easy yo, and cov ships are dirt cheap.

Don't try and reason with these people Eternum.

Fail.

I have one black ops toon, 2 black ops cov cyno alts and one transportship character. You seem to know nothing about Black ops.

Ok, so you schlep it all the way over the other side of deklein to grief me. Then I use our cyno beacon network to jump back to where I was before. Total downtime: about 3 minutes.

We refine them to get veldspar so we can build our supercarriers. We don't have veldspar in 0.0 so we are scrambling madly for any we can get.

What do you do with all those strip miners?

Ok, so move to another system? Veldspar is in literally every system of the game. If you have a few hulks and a rorqual you can mine in a different system every day if you so choose.

What do you do with all those strip miners?

No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield. It req no effort or patience on their part, being that it is just an alt.

Mining barges can drop decent loot which is a good reason as any to suicide them.

let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them

interesting

No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield.

No, their black ops alt Cyno toons. I have 3. They play on their mains while they wait for your hulks to leave the pos shield.

let's see, OUR guys are not inclined to defend miners but our enemies are inclined to park cloaked ships in literally every single one of our sov systems to disrupt them

interesting

Speaking of botters... Now that CCP is kicking botters out, why is this not creating more trust in the remaining players that they are not botters?

It is probably because there is no real cure for paranoia or something. Those who have not been identified as botters are probably just really very tricky botters and hard to identify.

Yes there is, and the reason has been repeatedly stated. You want your AFK moon minerals, and you want your AFK mining fleet that can mine unimpeded and without interruption. If you did so in null, your enemies would park AFK cloaking black ops ships in your systems and prevent your baby titans being born before your towers were even impregnated with sperm.

PS: There is still no reason why you would relocate your 0.0 mining empire to high sec to mine veldspar, there is plenty in 0.0.

PS: There is still no reason why you would relocate your 0.0 mining empire to high sec to mine veldspar, there is plenty in 0.0.

Oh, so these RMTers are naturally associated with alliances, because

I play in Hisec and Nullsec.

I have ice miners in nullsec and the risk of losing a whole fleet by missing even a few seconds of intel is huge. The same with hauling anything around. You think smartbombing BSs are bad with their 5km range? 4 or 5 stealth bombers can murder an entire fleet in one bombing run even if your fleet is spread out.

In nullsec you pay bilions of isk for your services, upgrades and so on, your intel is player run, your safety is in teh hands of your freinds.

I have a Mack/Hulk pilot in Hisec I mine afk alot, I fly around alot, I haul stuff alot adn I have never once lost a ship in hundreds and hundreds of hours hisec mining and hauling.

In hisec I dont pay anything for any upgrades, I dont need intel, i dont need scouts, i dont need roaming home defence fleets, I dont even need to be at my keyboard.

Dont assume that just because people play their main game in nullsec that they dont also play in hisec too. It makes you look stupid.

Protest thru unsubbing then

You are trying to say that for some reason 0.0 empires are desperate for the trit in empire to the point where they would -mine it themselves- rather than paying pubbies to do it for a pittance.

You are trying to say that for some reason 0.0 empires are desperate for the trit in empire to the point where they would -mine it themselves- rather than paying pubbies to do it for a pittance.

Perhaps, but if you do insist on botting (which is kind of creepy you know) why wouldn't you just bot up the isk to buy the minerals?

And yes, I'm sure the market trickery you are talking about is going to let you make capital ship ammo without high end minerals.

I've personally built hundreds of billions of isk worth of supercapital ships, and every single one was built using minerals sourced from Jita and compacted into a wide variety of mods (not just ammo), of course that was before the compression nerf.

If you do insist on mining yourself because you are a sadist there is really no good reason why you would take on the extra hassle of compressing it when the minerals are freely available right at your build site.

So I guess you can't come up with a valid counterargument then? Ok.
I do understand, being that this is how the game is commonly played these days. It is hard to divert attention from common practice.

It does not matter whether or not it is superior. Where do you think that all that trit on the market comes from then? If you don't mine it that way for yourself, others are mining it that way for you.


Not to mention the most obvious answer, why by what you can bot? It is more economical to bot.

Oh noes, Eternum desdoyed pic of high-sects n00bs. Naw ther all segret 0.0 blobblers.

Every hulk/mac is a macro'er/botter.

hisec macrominers like you!

where do you think that all that trit comes from then?

Every hulk/mac is a macro'er/botter.

How is this trit getting from empire to 0.0? If you can't move it, it's useless for supercap building.

If I decide a mac or hulk is going down, and I get into warp, they are dead.

Goons should KNOW this.

I'll ask again since you refuse to answer it: How are we getting this mythical pile of empire trit to 0.0?

I did several times, but I understand why you would want to divert attention from it. It would be hard to seem "cool" if the truth of empire bots came out, where the minerals were going and who was ultimately responsible for the bots.

I did several times, but I understand why you would want to divert attention from it. It would be hard to seem "cool" if the truth of empire bots came out, where the minerals were going and who was ultimately responsible for the bots.

For an undefended mining fleet funded by null sec tycoons? Um... yes?
Also the minerals you purchase come from the same place whether you know it or not.

Eve isn't a single player game.

ridiculous pyramid post

You still haven't given us a good reason why we wouldn't do this mining in 0.0? Because like I said, trit by itself in empire is completely useless for supercapital building.

When I'm in warp, they're going pop. Doesn't matter if they're aligned (lol) or have warp core stabs or reinforced bulkheads. Before I go in warp I know how they're fit, where they're aligned to (if) and how much dps (within +/- 5%) it will take to kill them.

Bots obviously.

Where do minerals come from then?

ah so what you're saying is that high-sec is safer

Sure I have you just have reading comp issues.




Bots don't like when reds enter system. It requires work to patrol an area of space, it would need roaming defense fleets and your bots in null would be supportable to AFK cloakers and black ops attacks. In empire you don't have to worry about any of these things.



Sure you get the odd ganker, but the over all benefit of mining veld 23/7 without interruption far outweighs the loss of a random hullk, being that your goal is supercapital production. I knows all your secrets bra.

But you haven't explained to me why this mythical bot army can't do the same job in 0.0 where, as I said, you don't have to compress and move it. Because the thing about trit is that you can't compress it without the high ends as well.

But you haven't explained to me why this mythical bot army can't do the same job in 0.0 where, as I said, you don't have to compress and move it. Because the thing about trit is that you can't compress it without the high ends as well.

It's not a hug ISK earner, and I now see that you have no idea how all this works (which explains your ludicrous counter arguments) Supercapitals req massive amounts of trit, we are talking about billions and billions of units of tritium to generate a constant flow of capitals and supercapital production. The best way to get all of that trit is to farm all day in the safety of empire... all the live long day.



It is not about ISK, it is about the uninterrupted yield.
* Eternum educates a probie goon.

We have trit in 0.0 too. Veldspar as far as the eye can see, and you don't need to compress and move it.

Thanks for teaching me about supercapital production though, you have certainly educated me as to what goes into making a supercapital class space vessel.

Trit being the huge earner that it is, it makes plenty of sense that 'botters' in 0.0 would abandon their great mineral sources for ****** ones.

Trit being the huge earner that it is, it makes plenty of sense that 'botters' in 0.0 would abandon their great mineral sources for ****** ones.

Trit being the huge earner that it is, it makes plenty of sense that 'botters' in 0.0 would abandon their great mineral sources for ****** ones.

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hey guys remember when Sreegs showed the percentages of bots banned by region

remember how the lion's share of them were in hisec

that was hilarious

So every miner deserves death?

here you go arguing with semantics

here you go arguing with semantics

Catalysts blow up Hulks because they're AFK and aren't taking the proper precautions to avoid getting blown up. End of story.

When you need to play EVE for years to be flying a Titan within an alliance and with no guarantee of success, then ganking becomes the new end game.

Eve isn't a single player game.

That seems to be the attitude of the psuedo-pvp gankbear elites. But what would they do without us miners since they are too afraid to fight real ships, guess go play warcrap or something.

I read in another thread that someone was upset he couldn't make a gay looking avatar, he obviously hasn't seen yours

I'm looking for the thread with incredibly whiny dumb people who are convinced that they are in fact intelligent (this be miners).

Is this that thread? (didn't read beyond OP)

And 0.0 is a single-player game. Sure, bro.

Smart miner uses align. It's super effective!

Hulk has a better tank than t1 barges, and can tank many null sec rat spawns. Description is fine.

It doesn't matter if they're afk or not... Once I'm in warp, they're going pop...

So really, that's just bs...

Destroyer = warship
Hulk = civilian (mining) ship

Oh noes warships can easily destroy civilian ships in eve, something must be broken.

If 2k+ hulk pilots quit, I'll buy their characters and start mining myself - that would be awesome isk.

Catalysts blow up Hulks because they're AFK and aren't taking the proper precautions to avoid getting blown up. End of story.

Your all damn idiots

U think the lessening of ship production had jack **** to do with drone regions? No it didnt, this was happening months before that even became a fact but like msot pvpers u only pay attention to grab when its big news

Prices have been rising steadily for 7 months, Ships are less produced and dont mean ****** frigs.

BC's/bs etc are less production on the market

do u knwo whose doing the dmg?

Shall i tell you a secret?

One you wont want to hear cause your an *elite* pvper?

The only people to blame for a declining population, empty null sec systems and ship/module prices rising - PVP PILOTS - you think its hilarious to kill miners, sure, go ahead, but tell me, what happens when 2k + hulk pilots quit?

Oh yeh thats right

You bury your head in the sand and blame the carebears for price rising

But wait

Just wait

It is you, the pvp base of eve who are to blame

Well now, isnt that a conumdrum?

quick, reply fast and troll me

Everyone out!

This is now Kerrigan's game.

You have heard it here first.

OP should go home and reconsider what game he wants to be really playing. ...

yup

The difference between everywhere else and high sec is 99.9% of the neutrals you see in 0.0/lowsec are going to try and kill you.

ccp didnt **** this game

Highsec risk averse griefer pilots did, period, end of