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]]> Wed, 20 Oct 2009 05:50:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/637373 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Dr Scope]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=4#66
]]> Wed, 20 Oct 2009 05:50:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/637374 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Cruz]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=4#65 Originally by: Meridius

If suppose a stilleto came in and started scrambling your bs, what would you want to come to your rescue, a taranis or a retribution with no mwd whos 30km away?


Switch to radios and you can kill that taranis from 30km away. Especially if your using Beam IIs :D
.................]]> Wed, 20 Oct 2009 04:35:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/443401 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Cruz]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=4#65 Originally by: Meridius

If suppose a stilleto came in and started scrambling your bs, what would you want to come to your rescue, a taranis or a retribution with no mwd whos 30km away?


Switch to radios and you can kill that taranis from 30km away. Especially if your using Beam IIs :D
.................]]> Wed, 20 Oct 2009 04:35:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/443402 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=4#64 Edited by: Meridius on 20/10/2004 01:20:27
Originally by: Joshua Calvert

Yeah. The biggest obstacle to new AF users is that, for once, they, as a frigate pilot, aren't responsible for tackling. They're there to tackle other possible tacklers.


That doesn't make any sense.

If suppose a stilleto came in and started scrambling your bs, what would you want to come to your rescue, a taranis or a retribution with no mwd whos 30km away?

It's a good thing hes tanked right, because that really helps kill and defend the battleship, right?

Now, if you are going to say that the assault frig should be posted next to the bs are you suggesting that every bs have a 40mil isk assault frig guarding it?

Do realize that a frig ganking 7mil isk fully insured maller anywhere within 30km would turn that stilleto into a cargo container.

Useless.

(srry for all the posts, in a rushEmbarassed)
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]]> Wed, 20 Oct 2009 01:16:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614754 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=4#64 Edited by: Meridius on 20/10/2004 01:20:27
Originally by: Joshua Calvert

Yeah. The biggest obstacle to new AF users is that, for once, they, as a frigate pilot, aren't responsible for tackling. They're there to tackle other possible tacklers.


That doesn't make any sense.

If suppose a stilleto came in and started scrambling your bs, what would you want to come to your rescue, a taranis or a retribution with no mwd whos 30km away?

It's a good thing hes tanked right, because that really helps kill and defend the battleship, right?

Now, if you are going to say that the assault frig should be posted next to the bs are you suggesting that every bs have a 40mil isk assault frig guarding it?

Do realize that a frig ganking 7mil isk fully insured maller anywhere within 30km would turn that stilleto into a cargo container.

Useless.

(srry for all the posts, in a rushEmbarassed)
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]]> Wed, 20 Oct 2009 01:16:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614755 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=4#63 Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Effective pvp requires at least 3 mid slots.


I dont think so ;)


Well, in terms of solo pvp.


3 mids certainly helps a lot, yeah. 2 mids does not exclude you from solo pvp.

I don't bring my crusader into group situations unless i have to. I fly with a ruptor so if i get webbed it's like having your legs chopped off.

Flying solo, i have complete control over what happens, unless i **** up of courseWink

So yeah, it has 2 mids but i really only like to go solo with it.
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]]> Wed, 20 Oct 2009 01:10:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614749 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=4#63 Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Effective pvp requires at least 3 mid slots.


I dont think so ;)


Well, in terms of solo pvp.


3 mids certainly helps a lot, yeah. 2 mids does not exclude you from solo pvp.

I don't bring my crusader into group situations unless i have to. I fly with a ruptor so if i get webbed it's like having your legs chopped off.

Flying solo, i have complete control over what happens, unless i **** up of courseWink

So yeah, it has 2 mids but i really only like to go solo with it.
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]]> Wed, 20 Oct 2009 01:10:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614750 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=4#62 Originally by: Gariuys

k, yes sry, you where complaing about medslots, quick question, just for to cure my curiosity, what exactly do you want to use in that medslot exactly?


What I want is 5 turrets and 2 mid slots.

Enyo, 4 turret + 1 missle, 2 mids

Wolf, 4 turret + 1 missle, 2 mids

I do not understand sacrificing a midslot for a 5th lowslot.

The retribution does not have the firepower to kill something before it can warp off. That is what makes it useless in pvp. It needs to warp scramble/web to do that. What good are you if you can't finish a kill? You can't just say, oh i made him warp out i won. You cannot claim victory unless the threat has been neutralized. He can come back and pick off other members of your corp/alliance and just run from you. To me that is a selfish and pointless way of claiming victory.

In addition to the above, i will once again say that all assault frigates need to be at least as fast as there tech 1 counterparts. No i'm not talking interceptor speeds here, i'm talking around 2km/s with mwd tops.

Is there anything a tech 1 frigate has over an interceptor? ANYTHING? No, but they do have 2 things better then assault frigates.

1. Speed

2. The ability to get past gate camps


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]]> Wed, 20 Oct 2009 01:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614752 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=4#62 Originally by: Gariuys

k, yes sry, you where complaing about medslots, quick question, just for to cure my curiosity, what exactly do you want to use in that medslot exactly?


What I want is 5 turrets and 2 mid slots.

Enyo, 4 turret + 1 missle, 2 mids

Wolf, 4 turret + 1 missle, 2 mids

I do not understand sacrificing a midslot for a 5th lowslot.

The retribution does not have the firepower to kill something before it can warp off. That is what makes it useless in pvp. It needs to warp scramble/web to do that. What good are you if you can't finish a kill? You can't just say, oh i made him warp out i won. You cannot claim victory unless the threat has been neutralized. He can come back and pick off other members of your corp/alliance and just run from you. To me that is a selfish and pointless way of claiming victory.

In addition to the above, i will once again say that all assault frigates need to be at least as fast as there tech 1 counterparts. No i'm not talking interceptor speeds here, i'm talking around 2km/s with mwd tops.

Is there anything a tech 1 frigate has over an interceptor? ANYTHING? No, but they do have 2 things better then assault frigates.

1. Speed

2. The ability to get past gate camps


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]]> Wed, 20 Oct 2009 01:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614753 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Ranger 1]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=4#61 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 20/10/2004 00:17:15
Agreed.
I have to admit, I like my Ret more than my Vengence, but I still prefer my interceptors.
If the Ret were to be given a missile turret as its 5th slot instead of a utility, OR be given a second mid slot I think that it would rise to very near the top of my list of favorite ships.
A Ret pilot a few posts ago stated that its slow speed made the Ret an easy target. Hmmm, I have not found this to be the case at all. Against NPC's I like to orbit at 5k using Multi's and rarely get hit. A favorite tactic of mine against opponents trying to slip out to a further range is to quite simply charge straight for them. I do get hit more often this way (and soak the damage nicely), but my hits on them are significantly harder. I'm still training the assault frigate skill up (its only level 2 at the moment) but so far my best hit has been for 250... which is fairly respectable damage.
I'd rather not discuss my PVP tactics at the moment, but they have had some small success.

The best thing I can say about the Ret at the moment is its a challange to fly, which is a dubious honor. While I won't write it off as useless, it could stand a small tweak to truly earn the respect of the Eve community.

(edit)
Oh, while I have not manage to mount 4 Heat sinks on my Ret it will indeed mount 3. Laughing
But flying it like that is a bit like playing with a loaded gun, it can cost you.


Kill the enemy, and break their toys.]]> Wed, 20 Oct 2009 00:09:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1972057 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Ranger 1]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=4#61 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 20/10/2004 00:17:15
Agreed.
I have to admit, I like my Ret more than my Vengence, but I still prefer my interceptors.
If the Ret were to be given a missile turret as its 5th slot instead of a utility, OR be given a second mid slot I think that it would rise to very near the top of my list of favorite ships.
A Ret pilot a few posts ago stated that its slow speed made the Ret an easy target. Hmmm, I have not found this to be the case at all. Against NPC's I like to orbit at 5k using Multi's and rarely get hit. A favorite tactic of mine against opponents trying to slip out to a further range is to quite simply charge straight for them. I do get hit more often this way (and soak the damage nicely), but my hits on them are significantly harder. I'm still training the assault frigate skill up (its only level 2 at the moment) but so far my best hit has been for 250... which is fairly respectable damage.
I'd rather not discuss my PVP tactics at the moment, but they have had some small success.

The best thing I can say about the Ret at the moment is its a challange to fly, which is a dubious honor. While I won't write it off as useless, it could stand a small tweak to truly earn the respect of the Eve community.

(edit)
Oh, while I have not manage to mount 4 Heat sinks on my Ret it will indeed mount 3. Laughing
But flying it like that is a bit like playing with a loaded gun, it can cost you.


Kill the enemy, and break their toys.]]> Wed, 20 Oct 2009 00:09:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1972058 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Shintoko Akahoshi]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#60 Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Effective pvp requires at least 3 mid slots.


I dont think so ;)


Well, in terms of solo pvp.


I still don't think that's the case.

I fly lots of 2 mid slot ships: Rifters, Ares, Crusaders, and use them mostly for solo pvp against other frigates. Fact of the matter is most frigates won't have a chance to warp out once they realize that they're losing the fight. I figure about 70% of the frigates/interceptors I shoot down don't warp out, even though I don't have them scrambled. I think it's a combination of psychology and the way the targeting circle works. If someones going into a fight, they're not necessarily thinking about warping out - they're thinking about killing me. Since most of the 2 mid slot tier 3 frigates and interceptors have weak shields, they also see the left side of my targeting circle come down really quickly, which gives them confidence that they can win the fight. By the time they realize that the right side of the targeting circle isn't coming down very fast, it's already too late for most of them, and they won't be able to warp out before they're destroyed.


There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 23:35:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/2194940 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Shintoko Akahoshi]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#60 Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Effective pvp requires at least 3 mid slots.


I dont think so ;)


Well, in terms of solo pvp.


I still don't think that's the case.

I fly lots of 2 mid slot ships: Rifters, Ares, Crusaders, and use them mostly for solo pvp against other frigates. Fact of the matter is most frigates won't have a chance to warp out once they realize that they're losing the fight. I figure about 70% of the frigates/interceptors I shoot down don't warp out, even though I don't have them scrambled. I think it's a combination of psychology and the way the targeting circle works. If someones going into a fight, they're not necessarily thinking about warping out - they're thinking about killing me. Since most of the 2 mid slot tier 3 frigates and interceptors have weak shields, they also see the left side of my targeting circle come down really quickly, which gives them confidence that they can win the fight. By the time they realize that the right side of the targeting circle isn't coming down very fast, it's already too late for most of them, and they won't be able to warp out before they're destroyed.


There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 23:35:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/2194944 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Grim Vandal]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#59
problem is we cant nerf the oversized AB yet
cuz we have to wait for the missile change first.

even more the missile change will benefit the assault frig ...

you will sooo gonna see that happen ... I swear Wink.

Laughing

Greetings Grim]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 22:01:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/935589 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Grim Vandal]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#59
problem is we cant nerf the oversized AB yet
cuz we have to wait for the missile change first.

even more the missile change will benefit the assault frig ...

you will sooo gonna see that happen ... I swear Wink.

Laughing

Greetings Grim]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 22:01:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/935700 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Joshua Calvert]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#58 Originally by: Gariuys
Edited by: Gariuys on 19/10/2004 21:52:48
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Effective pvp requires at least 3 mid slots.

Adding one to make 2 achieves nothing, imo.


Agreed, but don't think 3 does much for assault frigates either, fitting stuff doesn't mean you're in any position to effectivly use said stuff.

edit: lol yeah good point, solo pvp indeed, but again IMHO if you use anything but a interceptor for tackling in a group effort....


Yeah. The biggest obstacle to new AF users is that, for once, they, as a frigate pilot, aren't responsible for tackling. They're there to tackle other possible tacklers.

This means they aren't as ideal for solo pvp as inty's are which is possibly why CCP felt it was fine to leave the Amarr AF's low on mid-slots versatility because they're meant to dish out and tank damage rather than glue someone.


LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 21:54:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1219443 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Joshua Calvert]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#58 Originally by: Gariuys
Edited by: Gariuys on 19/10/2004 21:52:48
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Effective pvp requires at least 3 mid slots.

Adding one to make 2 achieves nothing, imo.


Agreed, but don't think 3 does much for assault frigates either, fitting stuff doesn't mean you're in any position to effectivly use said stuff.

edit: lol yeah good point, solo pvp indeed, but again IMHO if you use anything but a interceptor for tackling in a group effort....


Yeah. The biggest obstacle to new AF users is that, for once, they, as a frigate pilot, aren't responsible for tackling. They're there to tackle other possible tacklers.

This means they aren't as ideal for solo pvp as inty's are which is possibly why CCP felt it was fine to leave the Amarr AF's low on mid-slots versatility because they're meant to dish out and tank damage rather than glue someone.


LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 21:54:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1219461 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Gariuys]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#57 Edited by: Gariuys on 19/10/2004 21:52:48
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Effective pvp requires at least 3 mid slots.

Adding one to make 2 achieves nothing, imo.


Agreed, but don't think 3 does much for assault frigates either, fitting stuff doesn't mean you're in any position to effectivly use said stuff.

edit: lol yeah good point, solo pvp indeed, but again IMHO if you use anything but a interceptor for tackling in a group effort....
{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}

A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 21:48:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/882602 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Gariuys]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#57 Edited by: Gariuys on 19/10/2004 21:52:48
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Effective pvp requires at least 3 mid slots.

Adding one to make 2 achieves nothing, imo.


Agreed, but don't think 3 does much for assault frigates either, fitting stuff doesn't mean you're in any position to effectivly use said stuff.

edit: lol yeah good point, solo pvp indeed, but again IMHO if you use anything but a interceptor for tackling in a group effort....
{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}

A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 21:48:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/885173 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Joshua Calvert]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#56 Originally by: Gaius Kador
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Effective pvp requires at least 3 mid slots.


I dont think so ;)


Well, in terms of solo pvp.


LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 21:45:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1219459 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Joshua Calvert]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#56 Originally by: Gaius Kador
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Effective pvp requires at least 3 mid slots.


I dont think so ;)


Well, in terms of solo pvp.


LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 21:45:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1219460 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Gaius Kador]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#55 Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Effective pvp requires at least 3 mid slots.


I dont think so ;)
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]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 21:43:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/869262 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Gaius Kador]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#55 Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Effective pvp requires at least 3 mid slots.


I dont think so ;)
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]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 21:43:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/870026 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Joshua Calvert]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#54
Adding one to make 2 achieves nothing, imo.


LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 21:35:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1219457 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Joshua Calvert]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#54
Adding one to make 2 achieves nothing, imo.


LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 21:35:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1219458 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Gariuys]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#53 Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Gariuys

Not only want, have done so, said it was fun, you know the reason you play this damn game, atleast I do, at the end of the day I don't go oh let's see what could have made me isk the fastest. FUN, it's fun. And damn good at what it does, if you use it proper, if you got something else that does the job better, then go you but ffs, stop complaining about perfectly fine ships, cause you can't find a use.

but FYI, enyo>thorax deimos>megathron. Both in fun and in ability, and it's the same for the other races.

And stop whining about the prices already, you got what you wanted, they'll be cheaper in shiva.


Everything is perfectly fine to you, just like after the tracking changes came in you told everyone to stop *****ing because you thought they were fine. Even the devs admitted it was ****** and they fixed it.

I don't know why i reply to you posts, they can hammer out a ship that cost 200mil with 1 turret, 1 midslot, 1 lowslot and i'm sure you would think it's fine.

As for this:

"but FYI, enyo>thorax deimos>megathron. Both in fun and in ability, and it's the same for the other races."

Put your money where your mouth is and fight my ****ty lvl3 thorax with lvl 3 hybrid, would be interesting no? Prove me wrong or shut up.

The deimos > megathron, i would say so yes, so? Am i complaining about gallente heavy assaults?

Rolling Eyes


I don't feel like going into this, but for the record, you got a beautiful selective memory. And if it does what it is supposed to do then yes that would be fine with me.

k, yes sry, you where complaing about medslots, quick question, just for to cure my curiosity, what exactly do you want to use in that medslot exactly?
{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}

A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 21:14:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/882601 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Gariuys]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#53 Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Gariuys

Not only want, have done so, said it was fun, you know the reason you play this damn game, atleast I do, at the end of the day I don't go oh let's see what could have made me isk the fastest. FUN, it's fun. And damn good at what it does, if you use it proper, if you got something else that does the job better, then go you but ffs, stop complaining about perfectly fine ships, cause you can't find a use.

but FYI, enyo>thorax deimos>megathron. Both in fun and in ability, and it's the same for the other races.

And stop whining about the prices already, you got what you wanted, they'll be cheaper in shiva.


Everything is perfectly fine to you, just like after the tracking changes came in you told everyone to stop *****ing because you thought they were fine. Even the devs admitted it was ****** and they fixed it.

I don't know why i reply to you posts, they can hammer out a ship that cost 200mil with 1 turret, 1 midslot, 1 lowslot and i'm sure you would think it's fine.

As for this:

"but FYI, enyo>thorax deimos>megathron. Both in fun and in ability, and it's the same for the other races."

Put your money where your mouth is and fight my ****ty lvl3 thorax with lvl 3 hybrid, would be interesting no? Prove me wrong or shut up.

The deimos > megathron, i would say so yes, so? Am i complaining about gallente heavy assaults?

Rolling Eyes


I don't feel like going into this, but for the record, you got a beautiful selective memory. And if it does what it is supposed to do then yes that would be fine with me.

k, yes sry, you where complaing about medslots, quick question, just for to cure my curiosity, what exactly do you want to use in that medslot exactly?
{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}

A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 21:14:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/882603 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by tenp1]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#52
For pvp it does reasonably well, so long as it is used more as a mobile sentry. You won't be chasing down inties or stopping ships from running, but you will be preventing them getting close, which is more in line with their old escort frig name. Also when used in conjunction with an ew ship, they perform alot better. I have downed 2 taranis, a crow and a thorax in mine so far and none have got my armour below 70% so they can take as well as give damage (the thorax was using 250 rails tho).

However, given the choice between the Retribution and the maller for both PVE and PVP, I'd go for the maller. Aside from the price issues, the main reason is because of the fact that it does the same job and is more resistant to missile spam and more flexible. I do like the retribution tho.
]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 17:15:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/2402409 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by tenp1]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#52
For pvp it does reasonably well, so long as it is used more as a mobile sentry. You won't be chasing down inties or stopping ships from running, but you will be preventing them getting close, which is more in line with their old escort frig name. Also when used in conjunction with an ew ship, they perform alot better. I have downed 2 taranis, a crow and a thorax in mine so far and none have got my armour below 70% so they can take as well as give damage (the thorax was using 250 rails tho).

However, given the choice between the Retribution and the maller for both PVE and PVP, I'd go for the maller. Aside from the price issues, the main reason is because of the fact that it does the same job and is more resistant to missile spam and more flexible. I do like the retribution tho.
]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 17:15:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/2402411 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#51 Originally by: Gariuys

Not only want, have done so, said it was fun, you know the reason you play this damn game, atleast I do, at the end of the day I don't go oh let's see what could have made me isk the fastest. FUN, it's fun. And damn good at what it does, if you use it proper, if you got something else that does the job better, then go you but ffs, stop complaining about perfectly fine ships, cause you can't find a use.

but FYI, enyo>thorax deimos>megathron. Both in fun and in ability, and it's the same for the other races.

And stop whining about the prices already, you got what you wanted, they'll be cheaper in shiva.


Everything is perfectly fine to you, just like after the tracking changes came in you told everyone to stop *****ing because you thought they were fine. Even the devs admitted it was ****** and they fixed it.

I don't know why i reply to you posts, they can hammer out a ship that cost 200mil with 1 turret, 1 midslot, 1 lowslot and i'm sure you would think it's fine.

As for this:

"but FYI, enyo>thorax deimos>megathron. Both in fun and in ability, and it's the same for the other races."

Put your money where your mouth is and fight my ****ty lvl3 thorax with lvl 3 hybrid, would be interesting no? Prove me wrong or shut up.

The deimos > megathron, i would say so yes, so? Am i complaining about gallente heavy assaults?

Rolling Eyes
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]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 16:50:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614748 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#51 Originally by: Gariuys

Not only want, have done so, said it was fun, you know the reason you play this damn game, atleast I do, at the end of the day I don't go oh let's see what could have made me isk the fastest. FUN, it's fun. And damn good at what it does, if you use it proper, if you got something else that does the job better, then go you but ffs, stop complaining about perfectly fine ships, cause you can't find a use.

but FYI, enyo>thorax deimos>megathron. Both in fun and in ability, and it's the same for the other races.

And stop whining about the prices already, you got what you wanted, they'll be cheaper in shiva.


Everything is perfectly fine to you, just like after the tracking changes came in you told everyone to stop *****ing because you thought they were fine. Even the devs admitted it was ****** and they fixed it.

I don't know why i reply to you posts, they can hammer out a ship that cost 200mil with 1 turret, 1 midslot, 1 lowslot and i'm sure you would think it's fine.

As for this:

"but FYI, enyo>thorax deimos>megathron. Both in fun and in ability, and it's the same for the other races."

Put your money where your mouth is and fight my ****ty lvl3 thorax with lvl 3 hybrid, would be interesting no? Prove me wrong or shut up.

The deimos > megathron, i would say so yes, so? Am i complaining about gallente heavy assaults?

Rolling Eyes
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]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 16:50:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614751 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Gariuys]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#50 Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Gariuys

Fly one? cause it can do a helluvalot more then 0.1+ and lvl 3 missions, battleships take a bit of time to take down when doing it solo. But in a two team, you can do some sick things. And personally I think zooming around in your assault friggie, right in and among a spawn that would decimate a battleship if it was that close, and decimating the spawn left and right, it's a rush.


Yes i do fly one, do you?

You want to go into 0.0 with this thing and 'tank' torps/cruise missles from BS + cruisers? Lets also not foget about interceptor rats that will web/scramble/end you.

Why the hell would you want to take that risk when you can npc a hundred times better in an insurable geddon? You need to see that there is no logic in using an assault frig in PVE, even 'IF' it can do it it's nothing a crow/battleship couldn't do faster.

Doing spawns faster means more isk a minute. Now, i'm no npc hunter but that sounds like the winning formula to meRolling Eyes


Not only want, have done so, said it was fun, you know the reason you play this damn game, atleast I do, at the end of the day I don't go oh let's see what could have made me isk the fastest. FUN, it's fun. And damn good at what it does, if you use it proper, if you got something else that does the job better, then go you but ffs, stop complaining about perfectly fine ships, cause you can't find a use.

but FYI, enyo>thorax deimos>megathron. Both in fun and in ability, and it's the same for the other races.

And stop whining about the prices already, you got what you wanted, they'll be cheaper in shiva.
{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}

A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 16:27:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/882604 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Gariuys]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#50 Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Gariuys

Fly one? cause it can do a helluvalot more then 0.1+ and lvl 3 missions, battleships take a bit of time to take down when doing it solo. But in a two team, you can do some sick things. And personally I think zooming around in your assault friggie, right in and among a spawn that would decimate a battleship if it was that close, and decimating the spawn left and right, it's a rush.


Yes i do fly one, do you?

You want to go into 0.0 with this thing and 'tank' torps/cruise missles from BS + cruisers? Lets also not foget about interceptor rats that will web/scramble/end you.

Why the hell would you want to take that risk when you can npc a hundred times better in an insurable geddon? You need to see that there is no logic in using an assault frig in PVE, even 'IF' it can do it it's nothing a crow/battleship couldn't do faster.

Doing spawns faster means more isk a minute. Now, i'm no npc hunter but that sounds like the winning formula to meRolling Eyes


Not only want, have done so, said it was fun, you know the reason you play this damn game, atleast I do, at the end of the day I don't go oh let's see what could have made me isk the fastest. FUN, it's fun. And damn good at what it does, if you use it proper, if you got something else that does the job better, then go you but ffs, stop complaining about perfectly fine ships, cause you can't find a use.

but FYI, enyo>thorax deimos>megathron. Both in fun and in ability, and it's the same for the other races.

And stop whining about the prices already, you got what you wanted, they'll be cheaper in shiva.
{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}

A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 16:27:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/882606 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#49 Originally by: Parallax Error
Istvaan, I'm basing that point due to the fact I can run 4 medium pulse 2's on a retrib without having to make sacrifices to fit them, as I would have to do with a Crusader.


You can run those on a crusader with a Micro 'Vigor' Power AuxWink

Also, in that slow ass POS how exactly are you going to get within 6-7km of your target to use multifreq like you could with a crusader?

You will stuck using microwave/radio if you hope to hit any interceptor orbiting around you. The only scenario i can see using MF crystals would be going against a cruiser. In that case, you are dead no matter what you use so yeah, lovely shipConfused
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]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 15:52:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614743 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#49 Originally by: Parallax Error
Istvaan, I'm basing that point due to the fact I can run 4 medium pulse 2's on a retrib without having to make sacrifices to fit them, as I would have to do with a Crusader.


You can run those on a crusader with a Micro 'Vigor' Power AuxWink

Also, in that slow ass POS how exactly are you going to get within 6-7km of your target to use multifreq like you could with a crusader?

You will stuck using microwave/radio if you hope to hit any interceptor orbiting around you. The only scenario i can see using MF crystals would be going against a cruiser. In that case, you are dead no matter what you use so yeah, lovely shipConfused
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]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 15:52:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614835 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Parallax Error]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#48 ]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 15:24:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1864015 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Parallax Error]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#48 ]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 15:24:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1864021 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Istvaan Shogaatsu]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#47 Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 19/10/2004 15:05:15
Originally by: Parallax Error
Its slow, its damage output isn't much more than a Crusader

Actually, while I agree with your assertion that Retrib's a waste of time, there's one thing off about that statement: The Retribution actually has at best EQUAL firepower to a Crusader, or LESS than a Crusader if your Assault Ships skill is anything less than level 5. While Crusader gets 25% laser damage as a race bonus right off the bat, Retribution gets 5% per assault skill - since it posesses the same number of turrets as a Crusader, it has the dubious honor of being THE ONLY ASSAULT FRIGATE IN-GAME TO BOAST LESS FIREPOWER THAN ITS INTERCEPTOR COUNTERPART.

Balance!


]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 15:02:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1093663 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Istvaan Shogaatsu]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#47 Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 19/10/2004 15:05:15
Originally by: Parallax Error
Its slow, its damage output isn't much more than a Crusader

Actually, while I agree with your assertion that Retrib's a waste of time, there's one thing off about that statement: The Retribution actually has at best EQUAL firepower to a Crusader, or LESS than a Crusader if your Assault Ships skill is anything less than level 5. While Crusader gets 25% laser damage as a race bonus right off the bat, Retribution gets 5% per assault skill - since it posesses the same number of turrets as a Crusader, it has the dubious honor of being THE ONLY ASSAULT FRIGATE IN-GAME TO BOAST LESS FIREPOWER THAN ITS INTERCEPTOR COUNTERPART.

Balance!


]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 15:02:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1093664 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#46 Edited by: Meridius on 19/10/2004 12:32:57
Originally by: Slithereen

As for whether you should just use a 4 million cruiser rather than a 40 million assault, the assault still have much greater survivability. It still has the sig radius, the speed, and the armor hardening advantage.



I don't see how a retribution has great survivability. One gate camp and this ship will die a quick death as the time it takes to get into warp is enough for an inty pilot to scramble me.

My crusader on the other hand has no issues with gate camps. My maller would die but who cares, it's 100% insured tech 1 ship, no worries.

Also, the sig radius does little when you move at **** speeds. Maller NPCs could hit me all the way down to 6-10km with heavy pulse and even beam weaponry. I had to 'hug' them at 500m-2km to avoid being hit.

Originally by: Gariuys

Fly one? cause it can do a helluvalot more then 0.1+ and lvl 3 missions, battleships take a bit of time to take down when doing it solo. But in a two team, you can do some sick things. And personally I think zooming around in your assault friggie, right in and among a spawn that would decimate a battleship if it was that close, and decimating the spawn left and right, it's a rush.


Yes i do fly one, do you?

You want to go into 0.0 with this thing and 'tank' torps/cruise missles from BS + cruisers? Lets also not foget about interceptor rats that will web/scramble/end you.

Why the hell would you want to take that risk when you can npc a hundred times better in an insurable geddon? You need to see that there is no logic in using an assault frig in PVE, even 'IF' it can do it it's nothing a crow/battleship couldn't do faster.

Doing spawns faster means more isk a minute. Now, i'm no npc hunter but that sounds like the winning formula to meRolling Eyes

Originally by: Juan Andalusian

Come on Meridius, don't post stuff like this when you know this was never the case.

Pilots sucked back then not the ships.


Erm, dual mwd kestrel + web would end a crusader.

If cruise missles in standard launchers were back in i wouldn't step inside a crusader.

Back then speed was life. It's not really that pilots sucked it's just that we had few options back then.
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]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 12:28:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614736 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#46 Edited by: Meridius on 19/10/2004 12:32:57
Originally by: Slithereen

As for whether you should just use a 4 million cruiser rather than a 40 million assault, the assault still have much greater survivability. It still has the sig radius, the speed, and the armor hardening advantage.



I don't see how a retribution has great survivability. One gate camp and this ship will die a quick death as the time it takes to get into warp is enough for an inty pilot to scramble me.

My crusader on the other hand has no issues with gate camps. My maller would die but who cares, it's 100% insured tech 1 ship, no worries.

Also, the sig radius does little when you move at **** speeds. Maller NPCs could hit me all the way down to 6-10km with heavy pulse and even beam weaponry. I had to 'hug' them at 500m-2km to avoid being hit.

Originally by: Gariuys

Fly one? cause it can do a helluvalot more then 0.1+ and lvl 3 missions, battleships take a bit of time to take down when doing it solo. But in a two team, you can do some sick things. And personally I think zooming around in your assault friggie, right in and among a spawn that would decimate a battleship if it was that close, and decimating the spawn left and right, it's a rush.


Yes i do fly one, do you?

You want to go into 0.0 with this thing and 'tank' torps/cruise missles from BS + cruisers? Lets also not foget about interceptor rats that will web/scramble/end you.

Why the hell would you want to take that risk when you can npc a hundred times better in an insurable geddon? You need to see that there is no logic in using an assault frig in PVE, even 'IF' it can do it it's nothing a crow/battleship couldn't do faster.

Doing spawns faster means more isk a minute. Now, i'm no npc hunter but that sounds like the winning formula to meRolling Eyes

Originally by: Juan Andalusian

Come on Meridius, don't post stuff like this when you know this was never the case.

Pilots sucked back then not the ships.


Erm, dual mwd kestrel + web would end a crusader.

If cruise missles in standard launchers were back in i wouldn't step inside a crusader.

Back then speed was life. It's not really that pilots sucked it's just that we had few options back then.
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]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 12:28:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614831 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Juan Andalusian]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#45 Quote:
The only reason crusaders and other non-missle firing interceptors sucked is that they didn't have the ability to fire cruise missles. They did suck back then. They are good now because crows can't use cruise missles.


Come on Meridius, don't post stuff like this when you know this was never the case.

Pilots sucked back then not the ships.


**Pain is meant to be felt**]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 10:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1243676 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Juan Andalusian]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#45 Quote:
The only reason crusaders and other non-missle firing interceptors sucked is that they didn't have the ability to fire cruise missles. They did suck back then. They are good now because crows can't use cruise missles.


Come on Meridius, don't post stuff like this when you know this was never the case.

Pilots sucked back then not the ships.


**Pain is meant to be felt**]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 10:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1243677 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Cruz]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#44 .................]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 09:55:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/443445 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Cruz]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#44 .................]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 09:55:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/446080 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Parallax Error]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#43
Its slow, its damage output isn't much more than a Crusader, it's slot configuration makes it nothing but a gunboat, it's better resists are negated by the fact its pretty easy to hit due to low speeds, its tiny CPU makes it very challenging to actually fit a good tanking setup.

And yes, I have flown one. I've used Crusaders and Mallers in all sorts of situations and the Retribution offers no advantages over either.
]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 09:10:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1864009 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Parallax Error]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#43
Its slow, its damage output isn't much more than a Crusader, it's slot configuration makes it nothing but a gunboat, it's better resists are negated by the fact its pretty easy to hit due to low speeds, its tiny CPU makes it very challenging to actually fit a good tanking setup.

And yes, I have flown one. I've used Crusaders and Mallers in all sorts of situations and the Retribution offers no advantages over either.
]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 09:10:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1864010 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Gariuys]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#42 Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Joshua Calvert

Who says all ships have to be tuned to PvP, Istvaan?


Joshua, where is the logic of making a 40mil isk LVL3 mission capable 0.1+ space npc hunter? You can do the same **** with a 3.5mil insurable cruiser and not have a heart attack if you CTD while scrambled.

Confused


Fly one? cause it can do a helluvalot more then 0.1+ and lvl 3 missions, battleships take a bit of time to take down when doing it solo. But in a two team, you can do some sick things. And personally I think zooming around in your assault friggie, right in and among a spawn that would decimate a battleship if it was that close, and decimating the spawn left and right, it's a rush.
{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}

A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 07:51:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/882611 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Gariuys]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#42 Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Joshua Calvert

Who says all ships have to be tuned to PvP, Istvaan?


Joshua, where is the logic of making a 40mil isk LVL3 mission capable 0.1+ space npc hunter? You can do the same **** with a 3.5mil insurable cruiser and not have a heart attack if you CTD while scrambled.

Confused


Fly one? cause it can do a helluvalot more then 0.1+ and lvl 3 missions, battleships take a bit of time to take down when doing it solo. But in a two team, you can do some sick things. And personally I think zooming around in your assault friggie, right in and among a spawn that would decimate a battleship if it was that close, and decimating the spawn left and right, it's a rush.
{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}

A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 07:51:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/882624 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Joshua Calvert]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#41
I think that answered Meridius and Istvaan quite nicely.


LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 07:26:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1219515 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Joshua Calvert]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=3#41
I think that answered Meridius and Istvaan quite nicely.


LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 07:26:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1219516 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Slithereen]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#40
I find it interesting that the Retribution generally fetches higher prices than the Vengeance. The prices tend to reflect demand and esteem---Crow better than Raptor prices; Taranis over Ares; Enyo over Ishkur. These prices may reflect the view that the Retribution is a better mission ship than the Vengeance, though the latter is the more flexible ship for pvp.

One person put its succintly describing the Amarr frigates. The Malediction is a tackler, while the Crusader is a killer. The same can be said of the Retribution and the Vengeance. The Vengeance is the tackler, the Retribution is a killer.

The assaults were meant for PvP but its kind of a cooperative, teamwork dependent form of PvP. If you're a one on one soloist pvper, find another ship than the Retribution.

As for whether you should just use a 4 million cruiser rather than a 40 million assault, the assault still have much greater survivability. It still has the sig radius, the speed, and the armor hardening advantage.

I think assaults are a viable ship once the outrageous prices come down. Shiva may have more changes to come with regards to tech 2 component pricing; level 4 missions could drop a truckload. It would be interesting to see changes in Assaults pricing.


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]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 04:53:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/2255853 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Slithereen]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#40
I find it interesting that the Retribution generally fetches higher prices than the Vengeance. The prices tend to reflect demand and esteem---Crow better than Raptor prices; Taranis over Ares; Enyo over Ishkur. These prices may reflect the view that the Retribution is a better mission ship than the Vengeance, though the latter is the more flexible ship for pvp.

One person put its succintly describing the Amarr frigates. The Malediction is a tackler, while the Crusader is a killer. The same can be said of the Retribution and the Vengeance. The Vengeance is the tackler, the Retribution is a killer.

The assaults were meant for PvP but its kind of a cooperative, teamwork dependent form of PvP. If you're a one on one soloist pvper, find another ship than the Retribution.

As for whether you should just use a 4 million cruiser rather than a 40 million assault, the assault still have much greater survivability. It still has the sig radius, the speed, and the armor hardening advantage.

I think assaults are a viable ship once the outrageous prices come down. Shiva may have more changes to come with regards to tech 2 component pricing; level 4 missions could drop a truckload. It would be interesting to see changes in Assaults pricing.


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"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.

]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 04:53:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/2255854 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#39 Originally by: Joshua Calvert

Who says all ships have to be tuned to PvP, Istvaan?


Joshua, where is the logic of making a 40mil isk LVL3 mission capable 0.1+ space npc hunter? You can do the same **** with a 3.5mil insurable cruiser and not have a heart attack if you CTD while scrambled.

Confused
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]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 04:16:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614734 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#39 Originally by: Joshua Calvert

Who says all ships have to be tuned to PvP, Istvaan?


Joshua, where is the logic of making a 40mil isk LVL3 mission capable 0.1+ space npc hunter? You can do the same **** with a 3.5mil insurable cruiser and not have a heart attack if you CTD while scrambled.

Confused
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]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 04:16:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614735 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#38 Originally by: Vel Kyri
You know, i read this and just have to laugh...

When the interceptors came out - many people were saying how useless the amarr interceptors were - they didn't have cruise missiles etc...

and even worse, the crusader only had 2 mid slots Shocked the horror!!

but still, i got that crusader the moment it came out - why? small, fast and lots o guns.

About 2-3 months later some other people started using crusaders as well..

now they are considered one of the "better" interceptors..

When i first got my crusader they were the cheapest intis at about 5 mill isk...

lol

I guess it'll be the same with the assult frigs - once they start becoming common and we have lots of people trying them in different ways - then we'll see what they are worth.



The only reason crusaders and other non-missle firing interceptors sucked is that they didn't have the ability to fire cruise missles. They did suck back then. They are good now because crows can't use cruise missles.
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]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 04:13:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614732 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Meridius]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#38 Originally by: Vel Kyri
You know, i read this and just have to laugh...

When the interceptors came out - many people were saying how useless the amarr interceptors were - they didn't have cruise missiles etc...

and even worse, the crusader only had 2 mid slots Shocked the horror!!

but still, i got that crusader the moment it came out - why? small, fast and lots o guns.

About 2-3 months later some other people started using crusaders as well..

now they are considered one of the "better" interceptors..

When i first got my crusader they were the cheapest intis at about 5 mill isk...

lol

I guess it'll be the same with the assult frigs - once they start becoming common and we have lots of people trying them in different ways - then we'll see what they are worth.



The only reason crusaders and other non-missle firing interceptors sucked is that they didn't have the ability to fire cruise missles. They did suck back then. They are good now because crows can't use cruise missles.
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]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 04:13:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1614733 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Istvaan Shogaatsu]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#37 Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 19/10/2004 02:40:41
Quote:
Who says all ships have to be tuned to PvP, Istvaan?


I'm not saying all ships have to be tuned to PVP. The carebears need their Ospreys. I'm just asking for them to have at least one application, at least one thing that they're better at than any other ship class.

The Retribution fails. It aspires to a supposed PVP role and fails. Its description paints it as a fighting ship, but it can't fight - kinda like the Heron is described as a mining ship, yet it can't mine. People can go ahead and try mining with one mining laser and no drones, and they can go ahead and fight with a decrepid immobile slab of under-gunned **** that can't even pin its targets, but don't try for a moment to make it look like you're gonna be any good at it.

edit: p.s. since some people are dolts and can't read too goodly, I am only talking about the Retribution, not other assault frigates.


]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 02:37:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1093659 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Istvaan Shogaatsu]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#37 Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 19/10/2004 02:40:41
Quote:
Who says all ships have to be tuned to PvP, Istvaan?


I'm not saying all ships have to be tuned to PVP. The carebears need their Ospreys. I'm just asking for them to have at least one application, at least one thing that they're better at than any other ship class.

The Retribution fails. It aspires to a supposed PVP role and fails. Its description paints it as a fighting ship, but it can't fight - kinda like the Heron is described as a mining ship, yet it can't mine. People can go ahead and try mining with one mining laser and no drones, and they can go ahead and fight with a decrepid immobile slab of under-gunned **** that can't even pin its targets, but don't try for a moment to make it look like you're gonna be any good at it.

edit: p.s. since some people are dolts and can't read too goodly, I am only talking about the Retribution, not other assault frigates.


]]> Tue, 19 Oct 2009 02:37:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1093660 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Devineflid]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#36
the resistances means it does a great armor tank, so go for that, meaning the mids are free for a web scram and other, not with named med pulse laser ones in my vengeance, i took down a T2 blaster toting taranis and a kestral at the same time and they got me to half armor, the 3 lasers did enough dmg to kill cruisers and the rocket launcher i kept filled with defenders could totally dissarm a raven at ranges of 15km + meaning an easy getaway, i finally lost it due to some good tactics on my enemies behalf, but untill that point managed to get the kessie and taranis dead, and force a crow kessie and rifter to **** off all at the same time.

now tell me again these ships are useless?

P.S "these ships" not counting the retribution, which still needs a second mid slot, and they all need defenders now, due to small sb's no longer killing torps
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Have you ever wondered who was responsible for the "do not attempt to stop chain with hand or genitals" type notes on things? well it was me, or at le]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 23:34:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/586442 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Devineflid]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#36
the resistances means it does a great armor tank, so go for that, meaning the mids are free for a web scram and other, not with named med pulse laser ones in my vengeance, i took down a T2 blaster toting taranis and a kestral at the same time and they got me to half armor, the 3 lasers did enough dmg to kill cruisers and the rocket launcher i kept filled with defenders could totally dissarm a raven at ranges of 15km + meaning an easy getaway, i finally lost it due to some good tactics on my enemies behalf, but untill that point managed to get the kessie and taranis dead, and force a crow kessie and rifter to **** off all at the same time.

now tell me again these ships are useless?

P.S "these ships" not counting the retribution, which still needs a second mid slot, and they all need defenders now, due to small sb's no longer killing torps
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Have you ever wondered who was responsible for the "do not attempt to stop chain with hand or genitals" type notes on things? well it was me, or at le]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 23:34:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/586443 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Gaius Kador]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#35
The Amarr assault frigs have a very limited PvP potential and are outperformed in their role by cheaper variants of cruiser sized vessels.

Useless pimp rides best spent in PvE, though I'd use an Omen for agent running over an Amarr assault frig anyday.

Like one of my old enemies would love to put it...

Gold plated dung

;)
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]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 23:01:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/869258 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Gaius Kador]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#35
The Amarr assault frigs have a very limited PvP potential and are outperformed in their role by cheaper variants of cruiser sized vessels.

Useless pimp rides best spent in PvE, though I'd use an Omen for agent running over an Amarr assault frig anyday.

Like one of my old enemies would love to put it...

Gold plated dung

;)
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]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 23:01:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/869259 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Majin Buu]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#34
Now assault frigs have come out and they do exactly the same job a cruiser can do, but cost 10 times more to buy....

You fit a cruiser like a rupture or maller with duel mwd and the same guns as an assault frig (maller with med pulse II), or a thorax with blasters and drones and what do you have? a ship that does exactly the same as a assault frig but costs 1/10th of the price, and in most ways out performs the assault frig, especially the amarr ones.



BoB KillBoard]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 22:51:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1538710 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Majin Buu]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#34
Now assault frigs have come out and they do exactly the same job a cruiser can do, but cost 10 times more to buy....

You fit a cruiser like a rupture or maller with duel mwd and the same guns as an assault frig (maller with med pulse II), or a thorax with blasters and drones and what do you have? a ship that does exactly the same as a assault frig but costs 1/10th of the price, and in most ways out performs the assault frig, especially the amarr ones.



BoB KillBoard]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 22:51:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1538757 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Joshua Calvert]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#33 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/10/2004 21:02:54
Vel, one thing.

Meridius and myself are among the chief reasons why Crusaders are as popular as they are today. We saw potential in a ship few dared to use due to lasers sucking at the time. We figured out the perfect setup that no-one else stumbled upon yet. We made the ships work. We published our setups so everyone could fly a Crusader that kicked ass.

We will not, ever, make Retributions work in their current state. There is no potential. One medslot renders the ship beyond salvation. Re-hash the same tired justifications about range bonuses and armortanking all you want, the bitter truth is that Retributions are not PVP viable and you will not see them flown by people who have something better and less risky to fly. Being the only Assault Frigate with less firepower than its Interceptor counterpart is the final nail in the coffin.


Who says all ships have to be tuned to PvP, Istvaan?


LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 21:19:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1219511 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Joshua Calvert]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#33 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/10/2004 21:02:54
Vel, one thing.

Meridius and myself are among the chief reasons why Crusaders are as popular as they are today. We saw potential in a ship few dared to use due to lasers sucking at the time. We figured out the perfect setup that no-one else stumbled upon yet. We made the ships work. We published our setups so everyone could fly a Crusader that kicked ass.

We will not, ever, make Retributions work in their current state. There is no potential. One medslot renders the ship beyond salvation. Re-hash the same tired justifications about range bonuses and armortanking all you want, the bitter truth is that Retributions are not PVP viable and you will not see them flown by people who have something better and less risky to fly. Being the only Assault Frigate with less firepower than its Interceptor counterpart is the final nail in the coffin.


Who says all ships have to be tuned to PvP, Istvaan?


LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 21:19:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1219512 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Istvaan Shogaatsu]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#32 Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/10/2004 21:02:54
Vel, one thing.

Meridius and myself are among the chief reasons why Crusaders are as popular as they are today. We saw potential in a ship few dared to use due to lasers sucking at the time. We figured out the perfect setup that no-one else stumbled upon yet. We made the ships work. We published our setups so everyone could fly a Crusader that kicked ass.

We will not, ever, make Retributions work in their current state. There is no potential. One medslot renders the ship beyond salvation. Re-hash the same tired justifications about range bonuses and armortanking all you want, the bitter truth is that Retributions are not PVP viable and you will not see them flown by people who have something better and less risky to fly. Being the only Assault Frigate with less firepower than its Interceptor counterpart is the final nail in the coffin.


]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 20:54:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1093685 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Istvaan Shogaatsu]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#32 Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 18/10/2004 21:02:54
Vel, one thing.

Meridius and myself are among the chief reasons why Crusaders are as popular as they are today. We saw potential in a ship few dared to use due to lasers sucking at the time. We figured out the perfect setup that no-one else stumbled upon yet. We made the ships work. We published our setups so everyone could fly a Crusader that kicked ass.

We will not, ever, make Retributions work in their current state. There is no potential. One medslot renders the ship beyond salvation. Re-hash the same tired justifications about range bonuses and armortanking all you want, the bitter truth is that Retributions are not PVP viable and you will not see them flown by people who have something better and less risky to fly. Being the only Assault Frigate with less firepower than its Interceptor counterpart is the final nail in the coffin.


]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 20:54:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1093686 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Vel Kyri]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#31
When the interceptors came out - many people were saying how useless the amarr interceptors were - they didn't have cruise missiles etc...

and even worse, the crusader only had 2 mid slots Shocked the horror!!

but still, i got that crusader the moment it came out - why? small, fast and lots o guns.

About 2-3 months later some other people started using crusaders as well..

now they are considered one of the "better" interceptors..

When i first got my crusader they were the cheapest intis at about 5 mill isk...

lol

I guess it'll be the same with the assult frigs - once they start becoming common and we have lots of people trying them in different ways - then we'll see what they are worth.


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]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 19:27:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/2579126 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Vel Kyri]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#31
When the interceptors came out - many people were saying how useless the amarr interceptors were - they didn't have cruise missiles etc...

and even worse, the crusader only had 2 mid slots Shocked the horror!!

but still, i got that crusader the moment it came out - why? small, fast and lots o guns.

About 2-3 months later some other people started using crusaders as well..

now they are considered one of the "better" interceptors..

When i first got my crusader they were the cheapest intis at about 5 mill isk...

lol

I guess it'll be the same with the assult frigs - once they start becoming common and we have lots of people trying them in different ways - then we'll see what they are worth.


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]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 19:27:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/2579127 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Cruz]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#30 Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Cruz
Edited by: Cruz on 18/10/2004 09:05:52
I dunno, but I think the amarr assault frigates are at least somewhat useful.

Look at it this way

A retribution with 4 med pulse IIs a tracking comp, and a small rep II + 1 hardeners + 4 damage mods could make mincemeat out of any interceptor that came nearby it. It doesnt have to move fast if the other ship is moving fast towards you :-D


then again, all I have right now is a crusader, still waiting on skills for retribution, and then the isk... Shocked


GG fitting 4x med pulse II and 4x dmg modsRolling Eyes


yeah the retribution of my dreams would have 6 low slots
Cool And enough CPU to fit all that.
.................]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 18:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/443374 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Cruz]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#30 Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Cruz
Edited by: Cruz on 18/10/2004 09:05:52
I dunno, but I think the amarr assault frigates are at least somewhat useful.

Look at it this way

A retribution with 4 med pulse IIs a tracking comp, and a small rep II + 1 hardeners + 4 damage mods could make mincemeat out of any interceptor that came nearby it. It doesnt have to move fast if the other ship is moving fast towards you :-D


then again, all I have right now is a crusader, still waiting on skills for retribution, and then the isk... Shocked


GG fitting 4x med pulse II and 4x dmg modsRolling Eyes


yeah the retribution of my dreams would have 6 low slots
Cool And enough CPU to fit all that.
.................]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 18:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/443375 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Raven Norsca]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#29 Edited by: Raven Norsca on 18/10/2004 17:29:54
Originally by: Majin Buu
Originally by: Raven Norsca
Edited by: Raven Norsca on 18/10/2004 06:27:27
Originally by: Majin Buu
had both amarr assault frigs, sold them both within a day. They cannot compete with a well fitted inty because they are way to slow.

yes they can toast any frig within seconds, but thats only when the frig comes to them. If they try to go up against a good inty pilot then they will die if they aint tanked properly.

whats the point of buying an assault frig so you can tank it like a cruiser when its alot cheaper just to go out and buy a cruiser?



Riiight and what's the average range of a INty? point blank?? yeah I thought so. a INty can't do anything but be a scout when it can't be close.

as For buying a cruiser. cause a cruiser is BIG large weapons don't hit AF cause they're small sneaky craft. I've flown both the Vengeance and the Ishkur. the Ishkur eats intys alive with its guns and drones while the Vengeance does the same thing but a bit closer up. These ships have uses it's just inty pilots trying to rig them up like intys and saying they suck... that'd be like equipping a BS like a cruiser and saying it blows. THINK DIFFRENTLY


From this i can tell you have only ever had 1 setup on a inty. before posting such comments plz take the time to test diff setups as it will save you alot of embarassement. Intys are great fighters close up, but they can also be great fighters at long range. what can assault ships be?? In a fight 3 assault frigs vs 3 intys i would put my isk on intys.


right and perhaps you should look at the fact that AF have 10% optimal ranges meaning they can outrange a long range setup Inty. I used tech 2 Medium Beams and get optimal ranges in the 20k range while using ultraviolet, nevermind Infrared and Radio.

My point was the standard INty setup calls for knife fighting which AF don't need speed to deal with, Crows tend to hang a bit further out because of the obvious range advantage of missiles and various longer ranged inty setups but that doesn't mean you can't rig a AF to fight long range just as easily.

You can't sit here and say that a inty will win cause a few use long range. of course.. people's setups change. no Setup up is gonna uber pwn everyone. So saying a INty is better cause some use long range while what I suggested is short ranged is pure folly.

I suggest you get off your high horse Majin Buu.. ooh and drop the DBZ name, that's just lame :)
]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 17:18:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1980563 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Raven Norsca]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#29 Edited by: Raven Norsca on 18/10/2004 17:29:54
Originally by: Majin Buu
Originally by: Raven Norsca
Edited by: Raven Norsca on 18/10/2004 06:27:27
Originally by: Majin Buu
had both amarr assault frigs, sold them both within a day. They cannot compete with a well fitted inty because they are way to slow.

yes they can toast any frig within seconds, but thats only when the frig comes to them. If they try to go up against a good inty pilot then they will die if they aint tanked properly.

whats the point of buying an assault frig so you can tank it like a cruiser when its alot cheaper just to go out and buy a cruiser?



Riiight and what's the average range of a INty? point blank?? yeah I thought so. a INty can't do anything but be a scout when it can't be close.

as For buying a cruiser. cause a cruiser is BIG large weapons don't hit AF cause they're small sneaky craft. I've flown both the Vengeance and the Ishkur. the Ishkur eats intys alive with its guns and drones while the Vengeance does the same thing but a bit closer up. These ships have uses it's just inty pilots trying to rig them up like intys and saying they suck... that'd be like equipping a BS like a cruiser and saying it blows. THINK DIFFRENTLY


From this i can tell you have only ever had 1 setup on a inty. before posting such comments plz take the time to test diff setups as it will save you alot of embarassement. Intys are great fighters close up, but they can also be great fighters at long range. what can assault ships be?? In a fight 3 assault frigs vs 3 intys i would put my isk on intys.


right and perhaps you should look at the fact that AF have 10% optimal ranges meaning they can outrange a long range setup Inty. I used tech 2 Medium Beams and get optimal ranges in the 20k range while using ultraviolet, nevermind Infrared and Radio.

My point was the standard INty setup calls for knife fighting which AF don't need speed to deal with, Crows tend to hang a bit further out because of the obvious range advantage of missiles and various longer ranged inty setups but that doesn't mean you can't rig a AF to fight long range just as easily.

You can't sit here and say that a inty will win cause a few use long range. of course.. people's setups change. no Setup up is gonna uber pwn everyone. So saying a INty is better cause some use long range while what I suggested is short ranged is pure folly.

I suggest you get off your high horse Majin Buu.. ooh and drop the DBZ name, that's just lame :)
]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 17:18:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/1980564 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Harcole]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#28 Quote:

From this i can tell you have only ever had 1 setup on a inty. before posting such comments plz take the time to test diff setups as it will save you alot of embarassement. Intys are great fighters close up, but they can also be great fighters at long range. what can assault ships be?? In a fight 3 assault frigs vs 3 intys i would put my isk on intys.


I would disagree having taken on a crow one on one with my Vengeance and what happend? The crow ran like hell out to 60km thinking he would break lock... then tried running at me again at full speed.

Its all down to set up and luck. I happened to have a sensor booster on board, apart from the fact I can lock an interceptor in 1.8 seconds the range is about 85km and when he came running at me I was hitting for around 50-70 damage per shot with 3 lasers...

With the 3 medium slots you can stick on named disruptor and 2 webby's suddenly making one dead interceptor...

How ever you get an interceptor set for combat at 20km + then the assualt ship can't do a right lot and should just warp out.
]]> Mon, 18 Oct 2009 15:53:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/979860 <![CDATA[Retribution and Vengace Fitting for pvp need help - by Harcole]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=116483&page=2#28 Quote:

From this i can tell you have only ever had 1 setup on a inty. before posting such comments plz take the time to test diff setups as it will save you alot of embarassement. Intys are great fighters close up, but they can also be great fighters at long range. what can assault ships be?? In a fight 3 assault frigs vs 3 intys i would put my isk on intys.


I would disagree having taken on a crow one on one with my Vengeance and what happend? The crow ran like hell out to 60km thinking he would break lock... then tried running at me again at full speed.

Its all down to set up and luck. I happened to have a sensor booster on board, apart from the fact I can lock an interceptor in 1.8 seconds the range is about 85km and when he came running at me I was hitting for around 50-70 damage per shot with 3 lasers...

With the 3 medium slots you can s