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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Galea Wildfang

Sat, 30 Apr 2009 09:37:00 +0000

If you want to change something at all, increase the gains in low sec, but leave the high sec missions alone. I've founded a corp to help some friends joining the game and they have fun doing level 3-4 missions together. As soon as you nerf high sec agent wh.ring again, they'll just look for another game, end of story. Who actually won something in that case ?

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by thelung187

Sat, 30 Apr 2009 03:47:00 +0000

Indeed, it's like, ok, let's take out all the good loot, all the good rewards, lower the loyalty points, and now you wanna make it even worse? I mean, there will come a point where it's like "why bother?"

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Cracken

Sat, 30 Apr 2009 03:11:00 +0000

PLz no more nerfing 5 hits with the nerf bat in the past year alone was enough too make running missions almost as fun as mining.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Ruffio Sepico

Sat, 30 Apr 2009 02:47:00 +0000

Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Im not even 6 months old and im nearing 1 billion isk, mainly from lvl 4 missions. Now, theres old friends that i have had who made it the old way and it took them a hell of a lot longer to get there. Min prices are going up because A). People aint minein, and B) people are fking rich at hell now because of lvl 4 missions. It only hurts the noobs.

lol, mining prices going up and it only hurt the noobs?
When I started to play this game I Was lucky if I got 1 isk a unit for trit. Now you can sell it for over 3+, the other base mins are radical up as well. new players have it much better than the "old" timers had it when they started.

And there is many ways to make 1 bill in 6 months time. You could do that by just mining base minerals.

Players that focus on PVE and doing other non pvp things are much more likely to aquire wealth and assets faster than someone who do mostly PVP, if people can't see that then theiy are blind.

You chose what to do in the game yourself. If one professions yield more assets, wealth or whatever than others, it still your choice what to do in the game.

Or are everyone trying to set a price on FUN in this game? So and so fun, is worth so and so ISK?

You take a choice as a player, if you want everyone to be in the same uniform and earn the same, do the same, and be the same, then EVE is the wrong game for you.

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Kyle Caldrel

Sat, 30 Apr 2009 00:21:00 +0000

Im not even 6 months old and im nearing 1 billion isk, mainly from lvl 4 missions. Now, theres old friends that i have had who made it the old way and it took them a hell of a lot longer to get there. Min prices are going up because A). People aint minein, and B) people are fking rich at hell now because of lvl 4 missions. It only hurts the noobs.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Nachtjaeger

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 22:49:00 +0000

If you're going to argue these changes from a roleplay point of view here's some suggested ones;

1) Any criminally flagged ship hanging within range of a gate or station in 0.1-0.4 gets attacked by a Concord "Quick Reaction Force" after a certain time, time being dependant on distance from nearest 0.5 or above system, ie in a 0.4 system bordering a 0.5 system the response would be fast say 1-2 minutes and the response time would increase per jump.

2) Players with negative security can only dock after paying a bribe to "corrupt officials" when docking in empire space.

Seem unreasonable? Probably but no more unreasonable than the proposed changes to missions seem from my point of view.

When i started Eve i did some missions to get some cash instead of mining, before the Castor patch i did level 3 missions to get a shield booster amplifier BPO and then my corp moved to 0.0 and i went with them. After 15 months i realised i was bored witless with all the wars and petty politics 0.0 seem to generate so i went back to missions. And started enjoying Eve again.

People argue that missions are causing inflation. Ever considered it might be that people aren't mining any more that's the real cause? If you think it's bad now wait til the New world order when the industrials will have harder times finding the minerals and materials they need. And just as a side line, i collect all loot and recycle to build ships and as i don't pay for the minerals i can always afford to undercut the market price, not something that contributes to inflation.

The people calling for the missions to be nerfed always say "risk versues reward". From my point of view, there is no reward in 0.0 worth the risk. My agent has already been nerfed but it hasn't got me to move. Improve 0.0, make it worth the risk rather than try and force people to leave empire. All you'll end up doing is forcing them from Eve altogether and that benefits no one in the long run

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Kaeten

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 21:39:00 +0000

Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Originally by: Kaeten
lvl 4 missions/complexes should stay imo. They are hard enough to do (alone (megathron pilot)). Ppl do enjoy them. To move them to 0.4 below WILL attract pirates, and how do pirates do a living? By killing/randosming ppl. Pirates can get enough of that in every 0.4 you can go. This isn't to flame pirates but I think pirates want more prey to kill

Complexes hard? HA... i can do the serpentis 4/10 in my HARPY (takes damn forever to kill the BS, but it CAN BE DONE). IMO up to 3/10s should be in empire, then the larger ones in low sec, and the 6+ out in 0.0. But yes, lvl 4s are a gravy train and a half.

sry, forgot to mention one thing. From 5/10 complexes up. The other ones are a joke
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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Kyle Caldrel

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 21:32:00 +0000

Originally by: Ozoneluke
I enjoy lvl 4 missions. I enjoy PVE. I don't enjoy PVP. I pay to play my way. I don't feel like going into an area of the game I have very little interest in, why should my enjoyment I pay for be taken away?
I feel that mega and zyd yielding roids should be in all 0.5 to 1.0 security areas. I mean why should 0.0 miners have all the good ores, just decrease the amount of mega and zyd refine amount by 1 ore so that there is more of a draw to mine in higher security areas and drive down the market price for these over inflated prices.
Leave lvl 4 agents alone in .5 to 1.0 areas and just make it more desirable to go to .4 and lower areas to mission for those who want an extra bit of danger thrown into the mix.
What happened to, 'It's great this way but lets make it better by doing this.' I say, 'SHOOT the Nerfbat wielder then hide the Nerfbat so his clone can't find it.'

First off, its not "all good". Pirate bses in empire? if you want pve, you got it still in high sec empire. However, it STILL dosent make sense that theres pirates hanging around high sec empire. the ONLY part of high sec empire that could be justified would be .5 sec space, because one could justify a pirate incurstion. If your skered of being shot at, use ur brain. Use the map, and use some common sense. Still updates how many people killed in the past hour every 5 mins or so. If you dont enjoy pvp, this isant your game.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by trumansho

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 20:04:00 +0000

and forget us peeps who play for the isk. losing even 1 trit is unacceptable. hehe. need me a good scrooge sig
.4 and below who needs em

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Ozoneluke

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 19:40:00 +0000

I enjoy lvl 4 missions. I enjoy PVE. I don't enjoy PVP. I pay to play my way. I don't feel like going into an area of the game I have very little interest in, why should my enjoyment I pay for be taken away?
I feel that mega and zyd yielding roids should be in all 0.5 to 1.0 security areas. I mean why should 0.0 miners have all the good ores, just decrease the amount of mega and zyd refine amount by 1 ore so that there is more of a draw to mine in higher security areas and drive down the market price for these over inflated prices.
Leave lvl 4 agents alone in .5 to 1.0 areas and just make it more desirable to go to .4 and lower areas to mission for those who want an extra bit of danger thrown into the mix.
What happened to, 'It's great this way but lets make it better by doing this.' I say, 'SHOOT the Nerfbat wielder then hide the Nerfbat so his clone can't find it.'

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Kyle Caldrel

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 19:33:00 +0000

Originally by: Kaeten
lvl 4 missions/complexes should stay imo. They are hard enough to do (alone (megathron pilot)). Ppl do enjoy them. To move them to 0.4 below WILL attract pirates, and how do pirates do a living? By killing/randosming ppl. Pirates can get enough of that in every 0.4 you can go. This isn't to flame pirates but I think pirates want more prey to kill

Complexes hard? HA... i can do the serpentis 4/10 in my HARPY (takes damn forever to kill the BS, but it CAN BE DONE). IMO up to 3/10s should be in empire, then the larger ones in low sec, and the 6+ out in 0.0. But yes, lvl 4s are a gravy train and a half.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Kaeten

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 18:34:00 +0000

lvl 4 missions/complexes should stay imo. They are hard enough to do (alone (megathron pilot)). Ppl do enjoy them. To move them to 0.4 below WILL attract pirates, and how do pirates do a living? By killing/randosming ppl. Pirates can get enough of that in every 0.4 you can go. This isn't to flame pirates but I think pirates want more prey to kill
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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Karl Borhman

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 17:05:00 +0000

Not a whine, but gateganks will always be an issue for mining barges.

Which is probably why the majority of them have been staying in empire atm.

And also the reason the suicide alts come looking for them there.

Solution? Bring some friends. Lots and lots of friends.
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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Daolin

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 08:11:00 +0000

Originally by: Abigail101
Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
people afraid of the gategank- YOU HAVE THE TOOLS TO AVOID IT, USE THEM. IF YOU CANNOT SEE A GATEGANK, YOU DESERVE TO LOOSE YOUR SHIP. FURTHERMORE, IF YOU SETUP YOUR SHIP RIGHT, EVEN WITHOUT INSTAS, YOU CAN AVOID MOST GATEGANKS. Thanks you.

Secondly, in .4, you still have a sentry gun to cover ur butt. It takes 3 bs to take down 1 bs with sentrys fireing. If your setup right, with mwd, jamming, travle setup, they need a HUGE force to take you down. Just my 2 cents. TBH, you carebears should stop being scared of .4... onos! you MIGHT get shot at by another player.... but if you stick to gates/stations, you are prettymuch covered.

Not if you're running hauling / courrier missions for a non combat agent.

Transport ships 4tw

I use a Prowler for most courier missions, and a Mastodon for large cargo ones. Flying to 0.3/0.4 frequently, and not overly worried about gate ganks

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Abigail101

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 07:43:00 +0000

Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
people afraid of the gategank- YOU HAVE THE TOOLS TO AVOID IT, USE THEM. IF YOU CANNOT SEE A GATEGANK, YOU DESERVE TO LOOSE YOUR SHIP. FURTHERMORE, IF YOU SETUP YOUR SHIP RIGHT, EVEN WITHOUT INSTAS, YOU CAN AVOID MOST GATEGANKS. Thanks you.

Secondly, in .4, you still have a sentry gun to cover ur butt. It takes 3 bs to take down 1 bs with sentrys fireing. If your setup right, with mwd, jamming, travle setup, they need a HUGE force to take you down. Just my 2 cents. TBH, you carebears should stop being scared of .4... onos! you MIGHT get shot at by another player.... but if you stick to gates/stations, you are prettymuch covered.

Not if you're running hauling / courrier missions for a non combat agent.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Typherin laidai

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 06:39:00 +0000

Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
people afraid of the gategank- YOU HAVE THE TOOLS TO AVOID IT, USE THEM. IF YOU CANNOT SEE A GATEGANK, YOU DESERVE TO LOOSE YOUR SHIP. FURTHERMORE, IF YOU SETUP YOUR SHIP RIGHT, EVEN WITHOUT INSTAS, YOU CAN AVOID MOST GATEGANKS. Thanks you.

Secondly, in .4, you still have a sentry gun to cover ur butt. It takes 3 bs to take down 1 bs with sentrys fireing. If your setup right, with mwd, jamming, travle setup, they need a HUGE force to take you down. Just my 2 cents. TBH, you carebears should stop being scared of .4... onos! you MIGHT get shot at by another player.... but if you stick to gates/stations, you are prettymuch covered.

Agreed - I pirate solo and there is simply no means to kill a bs at a gate on my own. Unless the friendly blighters fire first of course

As to gatecamps. Insta's are your friend Unless there sat 180km sniping at you. In which case if your bs cant withstand the couple of seconds to fly the 1000m at most (bookmarks aint allways 100% accurate, 3km Sphere I think) then you deserve to die

And if your too lazy/stupid to make them yourself... buy some ffs.

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Kyle Caldrel

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 06:10:00 +0000

people afraid of the gategank- YOU HAVE THE TOOLS TO AVOID IT, USE THEM. IF YOU CANNOT SEE A GATEGANK, YOU DESERVE TO LOOSE YOUR SHIP. FURTHERMORE, IF YOU SETUP YOUR SHIP RIGHT, EVEN WITHOUT INSTAS, YOU CAN AVOID MOST GATEGANKS. Thanks you.

Secondly, in .4, you still have a sentry gun to cover ur butt. It takes 3 bs to take down 1 bs with sentrys fireing. If your setup right, with mwd, jamming, travle setup, they need a HUGE force to take you down. Just my 2 cents. TBH, you carebears should stop being scared of .4... onos! you MIGHT get shot at by another player.... but if you stick to gates/stations, you are prettymuch covered.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Shaelin Corpius

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 04:11:00 +0000

PPl who still continue to do missions in 1.0 for lvl4 kills must not mind working 10x as hard for the lp and cash as us in low sec who don't mind the pirates and find ways around them still, not that hard to do.

But not that I mind more agents being moved out to low sec since thats where I play anyway, but it will on a money sense to ccp lose paying customers who don't like 0.4-0.0 and won't go there at all anyway.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Heironymus

Fri, 29 Apr 2009 02:31:00 +0000

Originally by: Typherin laidai
All this crap about going to 0.0 before being a year old... doing missions there in 0.0 - 0.4 is suicide yada yada is all complete rubbish.

Ive spent the last 3 months farting around solely in low sec - 0.0 .... How many times have I been attacked and killed ... NONE. Apart from i lost a scorp to Ranger Corp (But I started that fight so meh)

Its not suicide at all... people are simply to stupid to avoid getting killed. And im free game to all so youd think id be attacked frequently yes ? NO.

Typherin

Anyone can fly in 0.0 in a dead area that is not the problem

The problem is getting the loot/ore and getting it past the gate campers

As you saying stupid well let me give you some systems with a mission setup BS and you go though where they gate camp see if you still alive

So much complaining in one game
Sometimes I feel like I am back in school and in headstart

So many complaining seems no one happy

They nerfed lvl 4 for empire what else you want
They more gate camping in certain regions then ever before

What will it take make you guys happy

You complain they nerf something then you complain on top of that complain because they nerfed something

If I wanted to hunt in 0.0 I would join a corp who willing to cover my back or lives in 0.0

If I wanted to hang in 0.1 to 0.4 would do that

But what everyone forgets EVE is a game that allows many things

Eve is so busy trying to make everyone happy they will never do that by what i see in all the whine threads

Why not try work with what you have and stop worrying what you don't have

For so long only way make good isk was hunt mine in 0.0 and be in a alliance and always be at war

Now they trying to give empire some ways to make isk and now everyone unhappy

I will say the isk I make in lvl 4 missions is nothing like it was

So you guys/girls should be happy with that

You will always make more isk in 0.0 but won't ever be happy until 0.0 controls Eve again

You guys controlled the zyd and meg for main part eve been up now you don;t control it all and that is what makes you guys unhappy

Will say to end be happy eve still up and running most online games don't give in as much as eve does to it's players whine base

I like eve alot some the changes suck but empire has had more changes in last 6 months then 0.0 will ever have

0.0 will improve you know this dev's know this relax and start enjoying eve again

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Rojar Parit

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 13:18:00 +0000

I have to agree with the people who say leave the agents alone and improve the offers in low sec space. I have been around EVE for a little more than a year now and my first PVP experience was a little over a week ago. My corp wanted to go and farm a angels complex in low sec and one of our members got ganked whilst waiting for the rest of us to show up. If it hadnt been for that angels complex because of the good bounties or the drone complex in ostingele I probably wouldnt have left empire yet. So I say as many many others have already said low sec just needs to be made more attractive but the current stuff should be left the way it is.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Typherin laidai

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 12:43:00 +0000

All this crap about going to 0.0 before being a year old... doing missions there in 0.0 - 0.4 is suicide yada yada is all complete rubbish.

Ive spent the last 3 months farting around solely in low sec - 0.0 .... How many times have I been attacked and killed ... NONE. Apart from i lost a scorp to Ranger Corp (But I started that fight so meh)

Its not suicide at all... people are simply to stupid to avoid getting killed. And im free game to all so youd think id be attacked frequently yes ? NO.

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Heironymus

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 12:19:00 +0000

It seems so many pirates and Alliance Corps would love to have everyone come to 0.0

Or have all lvl 4 missions in 0.4 and below

Ask yourself why

Very simple
Gate campers
Gankers

Think about it weather you doing missions in 0.0 or 1.0 you not setting a ship up for blockades when do a mission so would be a easy kill for them

You guys making posts sound like this game should only be setup for guys in 0.4 and below

Problem with that is simple

You have many new players starting eve
Yes even after eve running over 2 years

Now 0.0 is not a place for some to even start to travel until over a year in game or in a corp there to back you up

I say leave dam missions alone
They gave pirates more chances get more kills by making lvl 4 now fly into low systems allready

Now some say rats to big in empire lol

How about give more to 0.4 and below not always say take away

More isk is to always be made in 0.0 then will ever make in empire

You can get items out of 0.0 that are worth over a billion one downed BS

Show that in empire

You lucky the bs even drop loot

Instead whineing what each system doesn't have think about adding not always taking away

Something seems to get nerfed every patch now lets work on adding not taking for once...

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Calio

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 12:04:00 +0000

Originally by: Lefia
But moving them to 0.4-0.0 won't have the effect PVPers and pirates desire. At best we would see a movement back to mining low end ore, and level 3 mission blitzing, worst case we see an "Exodus" to WoW or Guild Wars. Instead, improve 0.0, make it more accessable, make bigger ships spawn more often, increase the number of complexs, beef up the loot tables, increase yields of high end ores and ice, and increase the yields of POSs.

Oh, and as a level 4 mission runner I had to consider the question at hand: "If all level 4 agents were moved to 0.0-0.4, would I go there and continue to the missions?" The answer I decided was no, I would not. Those areas of consolidated level 4 agents would prove too tempting a target for pirates to ignore. Doing level 4 missions in 0.0-0.4 would be tantamount to suicide, all risk with only the slightest possibility of reward.

Finally!!! Someone who sees part of the big picture and not just what they want to see due to their own specific biases.

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by capt

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 11:23:00 +0000

Edited by: capt on 28/04/2005 11:25:00

Originally by: Impale
Hello, I am a noobie (3 months) and I have 2 bil isk plus own all the bs's. I like the agents how they are now so I disagree.

You're not forgetting to lie or anything.......?

I sincerely doubt a 3 month old character could gather the amount of isk to have 2 billion isk in the wallet and having all the BS's solely by doing (lvl4)missions.(so OK you haven't said you could fly em all, which would be even more doubtfull after only 3 months)

I have been flying mission since I started playing EVE back in june 2003. I started lvl4 missions as soon as they were available.

Am I a multi-billionaire? NO!
Am I a multi-trillionaire? NO!

I never had more than 600 mill in my wallet on any given day.

So either I've been doing things very wrong my whole eve carreer, which I sincerely doubt. OR I have a bug only affecting MY income, which I sincerely doubt too.

So many people who are complaining about the lvl4 missions seem to claim that they (or their friends, or their nephews friend who has a neigbour whos brother in law...) have earned billions in 1 day or in 2 days or in a week.
NEVER have I seen any hard evidence to back these allegations up. Would be nice to see some screenshots proving that people earned a billion/day doing only
missions.....

The only thing that I can aggree on with people here is that they need to make some drastic changes to 0.0. Hopefully that New world Order ccp is working on will bring at least half of what they promised or what people are expecting it to be.
CCP needs to add a lot more ways to enter 0.0 so that there will be less chokepoints.
They need to do something with all those systems in 0.0 that hardly ever had anyone visiting them in the first place. And you all know there are lots of them out there.

To get back to the arguments used by the original poster. And mainly his suggestions being out of a RP point of view....
Wouldn't it be logical that out of a RP point of view, the navies of the different races or concord for that matter would venture out on a regular basis in low sec space and 0.0 to "clean house" and reclaim certain systems from pirates and the like?
But that doesn't happen either......

Locical would be that we had an ever changing eve, for example a system that was 0.5 yesterday would be 0.3 today, because of certain events.(or the other way round of course...)

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Gairon Fay

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 11:17:00 +0000

I must say I disagree, sure its PvP, but whos is to say that its the core of the game. Ive been playing for over a year now, and I must say I dont find PvP so entising, but I love running missions. SUre I suck at PvP, and not ashamed to admit it, but why should I then be forced out to unsecure space to do what I enjoy. If that would happen this game would totally loose its appeal to me, cause I enjoy ganging up, even if it is in corespace.

And I dont mind the lesser LP and rewards in COre, since primary its the feeling of hunting NPC that is my kick.
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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Typherin laidai

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 11:12:00 +0000

Originally by: Impale
Hello, I am a noobie (3 months) and I have 2 bil isk plus own all the bs's. I like the agents how they are now so I disagree.

Nope your just an alt posting to try and cause flames.

Post with your main and let ppl know who you are or **** off

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Impale

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 10:47:00 +0000

Hello, I am a noobie (3 months) and I have 2 bil isk plus own all the bs's. I like the agents how they are now so I disagree.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Verone

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 10:44:00 +0000

I agree with Typherin completly.

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Tane

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 10:34:00 +0000

i am undecided on moving the agents to low sec, for the ppl wanting more targets the NWO changes should achieve this but no doubt you'll complain due to more chokepoints. more details see dev blog here Linkage

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Typherin laidai

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 10:17:00 +0000

Nope...

The devs said they are moving the agents to 'nearby locations' that doesn't mean theyre moving them to low sec. they will more than likely still be 0.5+

Nor does it alter the missions in any way.

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Tane

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 10:05:00 +0000

Linkage

agents did just recieve a small nerf, and things are changing in 0.0 access patience people

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Typherin laidai

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 07:22:00 +0000

Originally by: X'Alor

Also think with this restructure they should open the sentry gun doors at the gates a bit and move the shoot on sight rating up to -6.5 to allow more access to empire space so that bad guys can have access to better markets as well.

Agree with mebbe some of your post... Except this.

Any pirate with a low sec .. as -5.0 is... Is a Pirate. they shouldn't be allowed in empire space. I personally have no problems with it. I choose to be bad and thats part of the punishment. One most people are happy to accept.

Apart from these girls that pirate in empire using war dec's . Actually I take back the pirate comment... theyre just lame

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Diicc Tater

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 06:38:00 +0000

I'm just gonna throw this one out, not thinking to much about all the issues that would prevent something like this.

Lvl 1 Agents: 1.0 - 0.9 sytems depending on quality
Lvl 2 Agents: 0.8 - 0.7
Lvl 3 Agents: 0.6 - 0.5
Lvl 4 Agents: 0.4 - 0.3
Lvl 5 Agents: 0.3 - 0.0

Agents w neg quality overlap into higher sequrity systems but high quality agents doesn't apear in lower sec space.

Since I'm another agentrunner () I'd not be to pleased with this but I'd accept it. I do lvl4 in a 0.6 sys but mostly lvl3 in the same sys.

Loads of game issues need to be adressed first ofc.

Other issues will be gategankers. If an agent operates in low sec space they'd be able to shut that agent down w some gate blockades.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Starplier

Thu, 28 Apr 2009 03:46:00 +0000

So far i think X'ALor has the best idea on this thread (sorry if i missed anyone). moving empire agents into 0.1 or 0.2 is a bit silly- would you really stick your best beaurocrats and generals out in low-sec space where you cant even protect them? maybe having the encounter be 2-3 jumps away in said low-sec might be fun, but after 2 missions it would quintuple the suicide rate.

If you want a rl/rp prespective on this, think of it this way- the npc pirate corps make routine raids into empire, use hidden rat-only gates (or maybe even jump-drives), or the easiest- they are simply hidden by the vastness of deep-space, 100s of AU out, and from there they make their forays. probably they would send their heavy shock troops to incure the most damage. and whats to stop them from bribing local officials so that sentry guns or police ships dont fire on them? for that matter, how do you know they dont have dummy frequencies to cloak them from the electronic eyes of the sentry guns?

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by vammathar

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 21:11:00 +0000

Yes I agree with leaving lvl4 rewards as they are now.
Spreading them around empire because of lag issues is fine too.
As far as making lvl4 agents in lower sec. more attractive? simple....raise the rewards to be more than empire. More experienced agent runners will have an incentive to move to lower sec.
On a side note I would like to see a new element added to the mix.
How about a new alien race emerging from somewhere, that engages npcs, pvprs and concord alike, wouldnt that be fun. Finally something new that would actually force everybody to cooperate in a unite effort to repel this new menace.
They would come in waves, from 0.0, from time to time to keep everyone on their toes.
Now thats something to think about!

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Lefia

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 21:09:00 +0000

Must agree with part of the argument going on here. LVL 4 Agents need a nerf in high sec space (don't move them, just cut the rewards a bit and maybe increase the number of missions required to reach an important mission). But moving them to 0.4-0.0 won't have the effect PVPers and pirates desire. At best we would see a movement back to mining low end ore, and level 3 mission blitzing, worst case we see an "Exodus" to WoW or Guild Wars. Instead, improve 0.0, make it more accessable, make bigger ships spawn more often, increase the number of complexs, beef up the loot tables, increase yields of high end ores and ice, and increase the yields of POSs.

But more than anything else, implants need to become far more prevalent. The ONE reason I don't go to 0.0 anymore is that my implants would cost so much to replace. If implants became easier to get, there would be no problem, I'd be in 0.0 all the time because I'd realistically be risking very little, just my ship. But right now with increadibly inflated implant prices, anyone with a head full of chips views heading into 0.0 alliance territory with the same chagrin as placing their genitals in the mouth of a crocodile.

And the blame for this reluctance to enter low security can't be wholly dumped on the empire 'carebares' and the allure of level 4 missions. Frankly, those in low sec space are too good at what they do, thus they have very masterfully created a 'no fly zone' ghosttown for all those not belonging to either an alliance, or a pirate corp. This is comparable to releasing 10 hunters on an achre of forest and telling them there is no bag limit. Eventually you'll run out of deer, this is what happend in eve. Many alliances worked very hard to make sure that no-one from outside their alliance flew in their territory. The success of these alliances of course made their space out of bounds for any non-suicidal pilot (a suicide which I committed a few times back when I headded the 'suicide mining' program of my corp). Systems and regions of space that are open to the public (or at least not activly protected by an alliance) are usually infested with pirates (take PF for instance, or more recently even kubinen). Pirates tend to kill without discression and without satiation, thus their prey dries up as the pilots they so gluttonously feasted on decide to avoid pirates and eventually all <0.5 systems.

Thus there is no easy solution that this tangle of human nature has created. Boosting rewards in low sec will go some of the way to creating a reason to move there, but it won't solve the issues. As long as alliances jealously guard their borders against all incursion, as long as pirates camp gates and endlessly kill all those who are unlucky enough to appear on their overview, and as long as good rewards exist where almost certain destruction is avoidable.

Oh, and as a level 4 mission runner I had to consider the question at hand: "If all level 4 agents were moved to 0.0-0.4, would I go there and continue to the missions?" The answer I decided was no, I would not. Those areas of consolidated level 4 agents would prove too tempting a target for pirates to ignore. Doing level 4 missions in 0.0-0.4 would be tantamount to suicide, all risk with only the slightest possibility of reward.

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by X'Alor

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 19:55:00 +0000

HAHAHA

And the next thing is you'll get to log into the forums and see 100 people that tell you how you should do it.

As well as telling you that choice is not a valid choice in EVE. Even tho it's your personal choice.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by trumansho

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 19:20:00 +0000

yes please leave lvl 4 mission in eve alone.
my current goal in eve is to buy a dreadnaught and/or titan. got 2bil almost atm. when i buy my ship guess what im gonna do with it??

mine in a 1.0 with it. when im feeling dangerous i may equip basic miners instead. what til i see the messages. can we please ban dreadnaughts from equipping miner lasers post lol. my isk my ship but sum1 will complain what i do with it

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by X'Alor

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 14:58:00 +0000

There is one big problem with the whole structure of eve. what I mean is what's available where.

They need to restructure the whole universe of eve and make everything available everywhere to some extent. (NWO)

granted a bit of lawlessness in 00 regions. grey area 0.1 0.4, and lawed empire. Make it more good guys bad guys not so much safe space unsafe space.

Instead of making only certain things available in deep 00 space and other certain things available only in empire space. Granted the best spawns and deepest pockets will be the most lucretive to work in still.

Maybe Eve has grown enough so that concord and the empires are starting to venture out and explore the 00 realms.(now this idea couldn't have many events planned around it could it??????)

AKA "the minmatar expansion" being they are the next ones due for an event and not many ideas around what to do for them. Something along the lines of the mimatar government using the minmatar player base to escort and transport supplies to said location just out in 00 as the first faction to venture and expand a stronghold out......... just an idea.

And you could do that with each faction as well making it an ongoing project/event/expansion.

Also changing the security rating system to govern all of eve universe. Staying on the good guy rules keeps access to good guy space. Good guy rule number one...... don't shoot first.

To make this work many many more stations have to be put out in 00 where they are not solely controled by NPC pirates.

There needs to be some empire strong holds out there so that we can get a mix of agent runners running both NPC rat mission and npc empire missions. Mix all the good guys and some the bad guys.

on the same note. They need to ad some stations or at the very least need to add some NPC rat stations into the grey area (0.1-0.4) of empire spce. giving more content to the not so bad guys of eve as well as the ability for some the good guys to ogain access to the NPC rat agents they might have access too. Like myself I have near perfect mordu's standing from running caldari missions.

Leave 1.0-0.5 alone.

Also think with this restructure they should open the sentry gun doors at the gates a bit and move the shoot on sight rating up to -6.5 to allow more access to empire space so that bad guys can have access to better markets as well.

This idea is to open up the doors both sides and make it more good guy vs bad guy.

Also think they should restructure the offiscer spawns to include named Concord officer spawns for the bad guys as well. concord officer spawns could happen in all grey areas of eve and out into the fringes of 00 for the biggest concord officer spawns(concord officer exploration teams). But taking out a concord officer spawn should have a security hit no matter location.

More stations out in 00 for good guys and bad guys with services to expand the market possibilities elsewhere(00). 00 market structure has to be established and they should add some of that in the form of Empire and Rat NPC agents/stations throughout all of 0.4 to 00.

Without any tru valid stations and a market structure 00 will never be uber populated. people need more empire services and markets out there to want to stay. Who wants to go as far as 60 jumps or more round trip just cuz you need one power diag 2.

Combine that with more points of access to 00 and this issue would be solved once and for all.

Get rid of the whole safe space unsafe space and make it good guy vs bad guys. pirates vs law abiding citizens of eve.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by trumansho

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 14:22:00 +0000

remove all rats over 500k from level 4 missions. that sounds like level 3 mission to me.
i still think the 4's suckfor the most part. sure theres missions like blockade where i get to kill 10 b-ships or the deadspace rogue drone missions where i get 20mil of refined stuff. but missions are full of ones where you kill 1-2 b-ships or

angel sureprise,avenge fallen comrade,revenge is sweet-mostly the named guy,sabotage the supply line,the score, all have bout 1 b-ship in them

missions like eliminate pirate campers,intercept the pirate smugglers,smuggler interception- all no b-ships

and no i dont get all the way uber missions that frequently. with the crappie ones and having to either do em or wait 4 hours. its not all the have your cake and eat it too. dunno if all these missions are still in btw, im just looking at all my spreadsheets ive got printed out on the missions

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Jamius

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 14:00:00 +0000

Wow - never seen so many people agreeing in 1 post before.

Well I'll agree too. Boost low sec space and the problem is solved.

I would go into low sec empire more if the mining was better. This would then have the knock on effect of meaning more pirates would be there so I would go there more again to hunt them as at the moment hunting pirates in low sec space is the most boring thing I've ever done in Eve.

As for moving L4 agents to low sec space I disagree totally. I have only recently started using L4 agents and I enjoy it immensely. It's letting me learn how to best setup and use a BS which I wouldn't dare to do in PvP. If the agents were in low sec space I wouldn't do it as you would get attacked while doing kill missions and a lot of other people wouldn't bother either. I can make more money doing other things than level 4 agents. I don't know why people think it's such a great cash cow. It's just great fun and has the added bonus of a reasonable profit. Even the loot is generally poor.

Wanna PvP - go to 0.0 and just get in fights with people who want to anyway. I've tried it and it's dead easy (emphasis on dead as that's all that's happened to me so far :)) Still it's great fun and I don't mind dying when I wanted a fight. It's getting killed when I don't want to PvP that is annoying and the thought of being ganked by players while I'm fighting a hard fight in a level 4 mission sucks.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Mindblank

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 13:33:00 +0000

Edited by: Mindblank on 27/04/2005 13:34:10
I agree with the initial poster here.
My opinion is that EVE is a PVP game at its core, wheter it is competing guns blazing, or trying to outsmart your opponent doing trades, or trying to get your POS run more efficiently than your opponent's. In doing lvl4 missions there is a lot of ISK to be gained without really having to compete for it. This has screwed up the economy badly.

To be really successful you'll need the help of others (and there's where corporations come into the game), creating an interactive environment... the foundations of a MMORPG.

So concerning agents:
- Move all high quality lvl4 agents to low sec (0.4 - 0.0) while raising the LP / ISK rewards.

- Reduce ISK / LP rewards for high sec agents (as someone mentioned 500-800k ships should be well enough)

NB: this is already being implemented.

- Make all lvl 4 missions harder so that people will have to be in groups to complete them on time for the bonus reward.

- Add secret low sec complexes to the pirate ship logs that drop so the agent running groups are given an alternative to doing missions.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Roule

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 12:56:00 +0000

Just a quick reply :)

I think that nerfing the lvl 4 missions so they are easier to do is WRONG.
Make them harder so it takes a small gang to complete them. Bring teamplay into it and make it so all the gang membesr who helped in the mission get part of the reward and standing increase.

Then all you have to do is distribute them around the universe :) And make a few of the offers appear in 0.0 (MAYBE), they would be the big rewarrd ones :)

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Hero123

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 12:15:00 +0000

Hears my quick opinion...

If MOST people are in empire doing kill missions it is because they enjoy it, imho nerf these and you will get ALOT of these people leaving the game and will still have no one to gank in your little corner of 0.0

stop nerfing sh*t all the time and start improving the things that aren't working, eg make 0.0 more attractive with better loot or more top end npc's.

Thats just my opinion tho!

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by babylonstew

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 12:05:00 +0000

well, id have to say my own point of view is, DONT nerf high sec, boost low sec, for example, i think that the higher end ores found in low sec space should have thier volume reduced by around 40%, this will make mining Hed, Kern Etc... a lot more atttractive, at the same time, id boost lower end ores in low sec to, IE greater yields on veld, pyro etc...

second, id boost the NPC bounties a touch aswell, make hunting cruisers a lot more lucrative, when i started i was hunting cruiser rats in low sec and loved it,made a fair bit, but it doent come close to lvl 3 agent rewards in high sec now.

runnign thru 0.2 systems finding 2 40k cruisers in a belt is just crap, we should get the 100k plus spawns far more regularly..
anyway, just a thoguht

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Titania X

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 11:57:00 +0000

I agree waith markie, but also agree that there a number of valid points here on both side.

i dont believe you can or should force those players that simply want to spend in time in a space sim, non pvp enviroment. AT the end of the day CCP have created the game this way - so that it allows people to avoid PVP if they want to.

Personally i enjoy getting together with 3/4 friends and taking on some level four missions. A point to mention about this is the big 'cash cows' that level fours offer only offer to those running them solo - in a group you dont really get that much. LVL 4's should be left in high sec, but the lower sec space should be made more attractive which will benefit the players/and pirates that live there. As well as enticing more experienced players, or those who dont mind pvp to come to thsoe regions.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by theRaptor

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 11:55:00 +0000

Gate rats and belt rats make no RP sense either. Guristas must be really freaking stupid to keep warping in a few BS at a time into the jaws of my "mining" Dominix

If players where like that I would be a PVP God

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Markie

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 11:43:00 +0000

My heart tells me to tell you to shut it, but, you have a dam good point. but some people do not want to PVP ever. they just want to do missions and enjoy the game that way, and whats the point in good modules if someone could come along and pod you? I say leave it almost the way it is now or some people will not have a good enough reason to play. if that happened 3 months ago I would have packed up, but now I am in 0.3 and am enjoying it, 0.0 is too risky for a noob like me but I can handle 0.3 ok.

However,

They could leave "safe" empire the way it is and realy boost 0.2-0.0 so instead of kicking folk to low sec they are giving an insentive to seasoned pilots?!? This would also give the bad folk a wider range of targets and a better class of targets as well.

I know I am sitting on the fence but from here I can see both sides of it.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Ruffio Sepico

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 11:13:00 +0000

Edited by: Ruffio Sepico on 27/04/2005 11:14:59

Originally by: Typherin laidai
Originally by: Tobiaz
It would certainly make the agents teameffort again since you'll need your buddies to keep your safe from the pirates.

But before anyone starts ****ing their pants. Pirates will likely think twice before they invade a system filled with dozens of NPCers who actually work together.

OMFG ... what are you suggesting Tobiaz ? that this is a Mutliplayer game

That people should interact with others ? Dont be silly. This is a game where you fly on your own grinding NPC's isnt it ?

Typherin

I see players band together and do level 4 missions daily in the system I do most of my business out of. Oh no! They actually interact and help each other across of Corperations. Despite Zrakor posted on this forum saying level 4 missions wasn't intended for groups as EVE didn't facilitate that yet. But it didn't and shouldn't keep players from do them in group, which
I see happens daily. 3-4 players doing level 4 missions together earn way more than 1 player doing them solo, because they do them much faster.

People having fun together, interact with each other and do things together. GOSH! Can you say multiplayer?

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Cmdr Sy

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 11:05:00 +0000

My 2 ISK is, move The Blockade out of sensor range of gates. Fighting multiple BS spawns within range of sentry guns (and in high-sec, CONCORD and Empire navies) is stupid. You really think Gallente Navy sentry guns and warships would ignore an Elder Core Commodore showing up? Doubt it.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Ruffio Sepico

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 11:04:00 +0000

Originally by: Tobiaz
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
There is no icentive for Empire players to go to low end of space. And if the choice is to get hit in the head with a major nerf bat or go there, players will just find another game to play.

And why would we care exactly for these mission runners? They really don't do that much good to the economy except driving up the prices of highend loot for Ravens.

They cause massive lag in high security systems.
They are causing a massive inflation by influx of cash.
They make running a POS a economically tight business.
They lure away hundreds of miners raising the price of low ends.

Just move them already...

If you don't have the balls to do it in 0.4 or lower, you don't deserve a massive cashcow like level 4 agents anyway.

Sorry, dude, the mission runners pay their monthly sub like anyone else. If the PVE crowd get ****ed off and leave the game, will you cover the loss from your pocket oh big almighty?

Why should you care about massive lag in high security systems? Isn't you an advocate for low sec? Why you need to go to high sec at all?

Oh poor you, other players make more isk than you do. In stead of do something about it and adapt to the game as it changes, you start whine on the forums. You want a cookie now?

Tech2 comps getting passed out of the bonus system to relief the POS's and encourage more POS's. But oh god forbid, do you need to mine your own ice to fuel it because your previous mining slaves are doing something else?

With current mineral prices mining is a very much lucrative profession. But know what? Missions are more FUN than mining. Maybe players get feed up of mining because its BORING. Higher demand for minerals due to ships lost during missions, wars, players coming of age more demand for bigger ships all contribute. There is a lot of factors here. Players in my Corp that mined before exodus, do mine now after exodus too, and they are happy about getting more paid for their labour.

Those who did level 3 missions before exodus, stepped up to do level 4 missions after. Many that did PVE in low sec and 0.0 did switch back to Empire for level 4 missions. Heck I could sit in 0.0 and chain rats, but 0.0 is a logistic nightmare as well regarding supplies. And most people you encounter want to blow you up unless you sit safely tucked away in some alliance backyard.

Its the lack of things to do in 0.0 that is the problem, not the things you can actually do in Empire. CCP need to add content to 0.0 and make incentive much higher for players to go out there. Hitting left and right with a nerfbat wont cause that to happen.

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Typherin laidai

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 11:04:00 +0000

Originally by: Abigail101
Courrier and hauling mission runners in 0.5 and above get sent through 0.4 and below as part of their routes often enough as it is. Kill missions might be ok to be moved to lower sec systems (nice to see the LP's have nearly doubled on some missions) as you're going to be in a BS anyway so have a better chance against the gankers (albeit you're only rigged for npc combat). If all level 4 hauling agents were in low sec space i'm not sure that it'd be worth the loss of ships and failure of missions given that you wouldn't be protected by some alliance as you probably would be outside empire.

Just my 2 isks

Thats very true. And I probably didn't say but the issue is with Spawning NPC rats. not an issue in courier missions normally so there would be no need to move them. Probably

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Abigail101

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 10:54:00 +0000

Courrier and hauling mission runners in 0.5 and above get sent through 0.4 and below as part of their routes often enough as it is. Kill missions might be ok to be moved to lower sec systems (nice to see the LP's have nearly doubled on some missions) as you're going to be in a BS anyway so have a better chance against the gankers (albeit you're only rigged for npc combat). If all level 4 hauling agents were in low sec space i'm not sure that it'd be worth the loss of ships and failure of missions given that you wouldn't be protected by some alliance as you probably would be outside empire.

Just my 2 isks

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Typherin laidai

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 10:45:00 +0000

Originally by: Tobiaz
It would certainly make the agents teameffort again since you'll need your buddies to keep your safe from the pirates.

But before anyone starts ****ing their pants. Pirates will likely think twice before they invade a system filled with dozens of NPCers who actually work together.

OMFG ... what are you suggesting Tobiaz ? that this is a Mutliplayer game

That people should interact with others ? Dont be silly. This is a game where you fly on your own grinding NPC's isnt it ?

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Tobiaz

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 10:41:00 +0000

Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
There is no icentive for Empire players to go to low end of space. And if the choice is to get hit in the head with a major nerf bat or go there, players will just find another game to play.

And why would we care exactly for these mission runners? They really don't do that much good to the economy except driving up the prices of highend loot for Ravens.

They cause massive lag in high security systems.
They are causing a massive inflation by influx of cash.
They make running a POS a economically tight business.
They lure away hundreds of miners raising the price of low ends.

Just move them already...

If you don't have the balls to do it in 0.4 or lower, you don't deserve a massive cashcow like level 4 agents anyway.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Tobiaz

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 10:36:00 +0000

It would certainly make the agents teameffort again since you'll need your buddies to keep your safe from the pirates.

But before anyone starts ****ing their pants. Pirates will likely think twice before they invade a system filled with dozens of NPCers who actually work together.

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Ruffio Sepico

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 10:34:00 +0000

Originally by: Typherin laidai
Moved from EVE General Discussions to Missions forum - Jacques Archambault

Ok now I realise that some people may see this as flame bait, Or prehaps just yet another pirate wanting 'More targets' ... But well, Think what you like.

I for one from a roleplaying point of view see it as kind of un-ethical that 2mill+ bounty NPC pirates are spawned every day for the high sec (0.5-1.0) agent runners. In their own descriptions some of these pirates are notorious and evil. Yet blatently Concord must be letting them in for small bribe of dancing girls that they can enjoy down their local shipyard.
Typherin

I think its un-ethical that we got crime in the real world too Kidnapping, murder, extortion, industrial espionage, corrupted law enforcement, organized crime and so on.

I look at agent runners doing "kill" missions in Empire is an extended arm of the local law agencies. Bounty hunters, mercenaries if you want. We got that in real life as well. From a RP point of view, who says Concorde doesn't fight criminals? Do you need to see it happen on the screen for it to make sense? Space is a big PLACE, lots of places to hide away. Read the back stories of EVE, about deadspace, the history of the different criminal factions etc if you want to talk about from a "RP" point of view.

Originally by: Typherin laidai

Exodus was supposed to draw people out to 0.0 and low sec was it not ? Looking at the map I think we can all agree this hasn't happend My proposal is for the something on the following lines.

Remove all high end NPC rats from level 4 missions within 0.5 - 1.0

Now what you class as high end is debatable .. As the NPC's dont have a sec status apparently visable hard to say what 'shouldn't' be allowed there. You can debate your own opinions on that. but personally I feel anything larger than 500k should not be there.

What you obviously want to do, is pamper the PVP minority in EVE and alienate the PVE population. There is reasons why the exodus to 0.0 didn't happen.

There is no icentive for Empire players to go to low end of space. And if the choice is to get hit in the head with a major nerf bat or go there, players will just find another game to play.

Hig sec agents already got nerfed with less lp, rewards and bonus's, at same time they added to mission risk with agents sending you to low end of space eventhough you work for a nerfed high sec agent to keep that from happen. Same time low end agents got increased upwards because they should be more risk to use, that doesn't make sense.

You say from a role play point of view criminals shouldn't be in high sec space? Why should a roleplay differs that much from reality of the real world? Im sorry but we do have crime happening in todays society even with police enforcing the law. Criminals and crime is a part of society it happens, some places more than others.

If gonna follow your logic, then we would need Concorde to deal with Ore thiefs, can thiefs and the likes. Market/escrow scammers. Corp theft, and so on. Why? Because it would be logical. You can't just weed out one thing and it will be a happy world.

I would like to see Concorde random spawns in 0.4-0.1 and clean up pirates hanging around at gates for to long, but that wont happen either. Even it would make sense from a RP point of view.

Tb I get sick of all this moaning about how level 4 missions ruin the game.
If players do these missions, they obviously like them, and if players dont want to go to 0.4 and down to play in the sandbox of PVP'rs who are crying their eyes sore for the lack of targets, well thats not their problem. People play this game to have fun, if you dont have fun, tough, not their problem. I want a bucket full of gold at the other side of the rainbow, but that doesn't happen either.

Regarding why exodus didn't happen I replied about in another thread which you can find here; Linkage

Regarding moving players out to low end of space and 0.0 doesn't come down to moving agents or altering the agents, because those who don't want to do pvp they just DONT. That shouldn't be that hard to understand? And if their choice is to get to play EVE watered down or be forced to do something they just dont want to do, well. They find something else to play which doesn't benefit EVE at all. EVE players enjoy to do different things you just have to accept that.

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Jim Steele

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 09:48:00 +0000

Edited by: Jim Steele on 27/04/2005 09:51:32

Im sure this has been discussed to death, as an agent runner i wouldnt like the idea of my endless supply of risk free money to suddenly become a risky venture in <0.4 but i can see the reason for it. Below are some of the more common whines and why i feel they should move them to lower sec space.

"i dont like PvP"
Empire should be based for young players and players that dont have the skills for low sec space as well as those who dont feel they are ready for low sec space, if you can use a bs you should be ready for some pvp. The risk of PvP encounters should balance with the vast ammount missions offer in isk, faction ships and other perks such as implants

"i cant afford to lose my bs"
Lvl4 mission runnners can afford a BS therfore they risk it on lvl4's and the payouts mean should be able to afford to lose it in <0.4

"but i might lose my implants"
yes you might but currently there is only one way of getting implants in the first place.. missions

The main wory for me however is people using scan probes to find my location then sending a gank fleet thus i get attacked by the mission drones and players, i feel mabye making mission spawns off limits to the public would address this concearn however this depends wheather getting ambushed while doing lvl4's is an acceptable risk given the high rewards.

Death to the Galante

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Bad'Boy

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 07:37:00 +0000

Originally by: Typherin laidai
Originally by: Bad'Boy
Edited by: Bad'Boy on 27/04/2005 07:09:45
just move them to 04. and lower(no l4 above 0.4 what so ever)..very easy to pirat there(probes pwns)

Hmm well at least your making your intentions clear

God bless honesty

Typherin

well, its boring to do missions all the time and you got to do something with that rapidly rising sec status cuz of all missions

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Jadzeea Dilorn

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 07:31:00 +0000

Signed

mebbe a little bigger than 500k though

Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Typherin laidai

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 07:11:00 +0000

Originally by: Bad'Boy
Edited by: Bad'Boy on 27/04/2005 07:09:45
just move them to 04. and lower(no l4 above 0.4 what so ever)..very easy to pirat there(probes pwns)

Hmm well at least your making your intentions clear

God bless honesty

Typherin
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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Bad'Boy

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 07:09:00 +0000

Edited by: Bad'Boy on 27/04/2005 07:09:45
just move them to 04. and lower(no l4 above 0.4 what so ever)..very easy to pirat there(probes pwns)

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Nerf level 4 Missions (Rp Prospective) - by Typherin laidai

Wed, 27 Apr 2009 07:06:00 +0000

Moved from EVE General Discussions to Missions forum - Jacques Archambault

Ok now I realise that some people may see this as flame bait, Or prehaps just yet another pirate wanting 'More targets' ... But well, Think what you like.

I for one from a roleplaying point of view see it as kind of un-ethical that 2mill+ bounty NPC pirates are spawned every day for the high sec (0.5-1.0) agent runners. In their own descriptions some of these pirates are notorious and evil. Yet blatently Concord must be letting them in for small bribe of dancing girls that they can enjoy down their local shipyard.

Now some of these infamous pirates even spawn at the gates themselves or even stations. yet concord and the sentry guns do nothing to clear them off ? Yet an outlaw in the same situation would be pwnd in an instant. So where do these pirates dock for amunition and drugs ? Surely they cant dock at empire stations ?

Exodus was supposed to draw people out to 0.0 and low sec was it not ? Looking at the map I think we can all agree this hasn't happend My proposal is for the something on the following lines.

Remove all high end NPC rats from level 4 missions within 0.5 - 1.0

Now what you class as high end is debatable .. As the NPC's dont have a sec status apparently visable hard to say what 'shouldn't' be allowed there. You can debate your own opinions on that. but personally I feel anything larger than 500k should not be there.

Re-distribute level 4 agents within empire

CCP have allready started to do this with the recent addition of those nice Q20 agents I would like to see ONLY 0.0 - 0.4 agents spawning the high end NPC's .. Where pirates belong.

From a roleplaying point of view PIRATES SHOULD NOT BE IN HIGH SEC EMPIRE.

If anything ive said makes no sense or if anyone that has had more than 4 hours sleep would like to elaborate on what ive said please help me out

Please dont turn this into a flame fest. Please post your opinion but try to make it constructive.

Typherin
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