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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by 3ll3

Mon, 29 Dec 2009 17:00:00 +0000

I agree what happens in IC should stay IC though some tend to add OOC to correct soem thign they said or didn't say and ment to.

Personaly if I make a msitake in some thing I tend to play it through and go with the flow, recently I didn't read a IC article about the going on in Gallentian Space and the imolation thing, I relized to late but played it through despite some being some thing I felt to be some what offencive OOC wise.

Remeber if its's mroe fun to play things as they come than to play out some script, well I think so any way.
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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Verone

Mon, 22 Dec 2009 02:07:00 +0000

Originally by: Evanda Char
If I ran into Verone at the supermarket, I wouldn't need to defend my shopping cart.

Well, not unless I had beer.

Or chocolate cake

Seriously though, Eva is right in this respect.

This is an in character forum, it's for in character interaction, there's no need to put OOC brackets everywhere to state your reasoning or defend your IC reactions.

People who're worth a damn in the RP circle, and who have an actual grasp of the divide between IC and OOC will KNOW that you're playing your character out, and aren't being an ass on an OOC level.

I mean honestly! I play a savage, sadistic, schizophrenic and bipolar outlaw with a terrible history of drug abuse, violence and a criminal record longer than a fat guy's shopping list.

Just because I play this in game, it doesn't mean I run around out of game making babies cry and beating up old people.

The key thing I think should be inherant in an RPer is to be able to distinguish between IC and OOC, what they mean and how they should be applied when you're developing your character.

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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Evanda Char

Mon, 20 Oct 2009 13:33:00 +0000

Please, please, please can people stop explaining their OOC motivations bracketed in this forum?

It's not needed. IC feelings and opinions are just that - the feelings and opinions of the character, not the player.

You don't need to excuse yourself for the choices you make for your character because of real life events - we all have a player behind the character and everyone should be aware of that and not assume that the player is the same as their character seems.

If I ran into Verone at the supermarket, I wouldn't need to defend my shopping cart.

Well, not unless I had beer.

But if there's a lot of OOC reasoning behind something that needs to be discussed, start a thread in CAOD or another OOC area, rather than shattering immersion and asking people to make IC decisions based on your real life.

-Eva-

Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Willem Revolati

Sat, 18 Oct 2009 01:36:00 +0000

Don't be afraid to have an open mind when talking to an enemy faction.

Sometimes the most fun (and challenging) sides of RP can be forming a mutual understanding, or maybe even freindship with an enemy faction member. EVE makes it very possible to do this.

For example, there are Ammar characters who oppose slavery and their Gods, there are Minmatar characters who would welcome Ammar occupancy, there are Gallenteans who are ruffless and tyrnaical pirates and corp owners, and there are Caladari who are liberal-minded freedom fighters.

Just pay attention to what the person is actually saying and you might find some surprises, which you will miss if your RP immediately jumps into an agressive stance.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Daevonar

Wed, 1 Oct 2009 13:06:00 +0000

Ways to flesh out your character and make them feel/seem more believable.

1) Remember that the things hich are important to someone are often not what you expect, they can seem trivial to others.

2) Remember that real people do many small unimportant and trivial activities daily... your character has to eat, sleep, go to the toilet etc etc. Don't over emphasise these points... they dont make interesting chat normally, but used sparingly they can help add a little detail and believability to a story.

3) Try and keep a consistant personality... I do not mean you have to always react the same way or hold the same point of view, but generally a character should be consistent in how they feel about situations, and shouldnt' be too ready to change their mind (unless of course you have decided to make your character flighty and unpredictable). A very common mistake is to 'forget' what your character is like and come across as having some kind of split personality disorder.

4) Related to 3, knowing a bit about your background helps. As said before it is a good idea to keep most of your history to yourself, thats how people really behave, but the history of your character should inform the way you behave. I always think that a good indication that a character is being role played well is if you can make guesses and assumptions about their background, without them having to tell you.

For example... You and your fleet see some ships from another faction under attack from pirates... you know that your character has a bad relationship with that faction, when asked if you will help do not reply "not a chance when I was young your faction blaa blaa blaa" it's not very realistic. Instead just a simple comment of "not a chance" would be much better, this leaves people to wonder why you wont help, gets them thinking and maybe opens up more rp possibilities... maybe they will jus tthink you ar e afraid... but so what, thats part of roleplaying too, when you prove otherwise in another situation they will have to re-evaluate their ideas of you :)

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Garion Avarr

Fri, 8 Aug 2009 22:15:00 +0000

Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: BloodBird
Same goes for Minmatar, the two words used on them are collectively Minmatar, and Matari.
Actually, I think that only correct way to collectively refer to them is "Minmatar".

Matar being their homeworld, I figured that Minmatar translate to something akin to "people of Matar", "children of Matar" or simply "of Matar". Ergo, calling them "Matar" or "Matari" is incorrect.

Technically, I think you are right, but Matar/Matari could be considered to be slang, or an informal usage to describe something that could be either Minmatar or Ammatar -- my character generally uses it to mean something that relates to the race, not the culture.

'Matar' itself means either 'true' or 'home,' as we know that 'San Matar' mean 'true home.'

Given it's the name of their homeworld, 'home' seems the better meaning. Though if it was 'true,' Minmatar could mean 'true people' . . . maybe the Amarr aren't the only ones that think they're the only people of any worth!

I tend to think that Matar means home, however, and that it takes on a different meaning when used in the compound Minmatar, and that that means something akin to 'the people.'
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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Stitcher

Mon, 4 Aug 2009 15:29:00 +0000

Edited by: Stitcher on 04/08/2008 15:30:17

Originally by: BloodBird
I believe I heard an argument over the plural of Caldari not to long ago.

It seems the argument ended on a few facts, Gallente is Gallenteans in plural, Amarr is Amarrians, Minmatar is just Minmatar, plural and singular, or one can use Matari, as a more polite refference to more than one or the people as a whole.

Caldari however seemed to land on "Caldari" being the singular and plural version, there is no "Caldarian" or some-such.

"Caldarian" just seems stilted, really. Personally, I treat it as follows:

"There is one..."****"The X have..."*******"There are two..."

Amarrian___________The Amarr___________Amarrians
Caldari_____________The Caldari__________Caldari
Gallente____________The Gallente_________Gallenteans
Minmatar___________The Matari___________Minmatar
Jovian______________The Jove____________Jovians

EDIT: also, to the person above me, surely "Matari" would just mean "Of Matar"?
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Lt. Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Victor Valka

Thu, 31 Jul 2009 09:30:00 +0000

Originally by: BloodBird
Same goes for Minmatar, the two words used on them are collectively Minmatar, and Matari.

Actually, I think that only correct way to collectively refer to them is "Minmatar".

Matar being their homeworld, I figured that Minmatar translate to something akin to "people of Matar", "children of Matar" or simply "of Matar". Ergo, calling them "Matar" or "Matari" is incorrect.

Originally by: Spaztick
You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by zak'thor

Tue, 29 Jul 2009 10:59:00 +0000

Edited by: zak''thor on 29/07/2008 11:00:55
Heres an idea if your in a RP corp or alliance you can try story-line events.As for character stereotyps well i tend to use the more random guy approach.My guy is basicly a soldier just trying to make his way in the univeres (stay alive survive tour of duty and keep his squad alive.). But i use heavy duty rp methods. Oh and if you want to do a story line EVE mail me.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by BloodBird

Sun, 27 Jul 2009 15:02:00 +0000

There is little for me to add here, exept a slightly annoying problem I've noticed recently: Get names right.

They are not called Ammar, Amar, amaar or anything like that, it's quite simply Amarr. A, m, a and two r's.

Same goes for Minmatar, the two words used on them are collectively Minmatar, and Matari. I've seen so many errors on this that it honestly degrades my experiance, by not to mention that it seem less likely when you hear a character speak of their enemy or, worse, own faction with a wrong name, like minmitar, manmitar etc.

Also, I believe I heard an argument over the plural of Caldari not to long ago.

It seems the argument ended on a few facts, Gallente is Gallenteans in plural, Amarr is Amarrians, Minmatar is just Minmatar, plural and singular, or one can use Matari, as a more polite refference to more than one or the people as a whole.

Caldari however seemed to land on "Caldari" being the singular and plural version, there is no "Caldarian" or some-such.

Some more correction might be needed by those who have delved deeper into this subject, but the point remains: Your character seems more real, and belivable, if you refrain from incorrectly naming the diffrent factions.

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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Stitcher

Tue, 17 Jun 2009 23:13:00 +0000

Characters are at their best if they are easy for you to quickly and comfortably slip into the role - and the best way to do that is to play a character who is similar to yourself, playing on aspects of your personality that already exist.

Pretty much every character I have ever roeplayed, be it here, in other MMOs, or in pen-and-paper RPGs, has in some way been an extension of my own personality. I find the best way to build a good persona is to charicature yourself.

Stitcher is effectively me, but with the dial marked "philosophical" turned up to 11, and the dial marked "cuss like a sailor" turned down nice and low. A few tweaks here and there, and I have a role that I can comfortably slip into and allow the RP to flow.

If you aren't having to think too hard about what your character would say in a given situation, then the result is far more realistic, creating the impression of a far more rounded and three-dimensional personality.
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Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Silver Night

Sun, 25 May 2009 08:49:00 +0000

Originally by: chadwill
Maybe the wrong place to ask,

Is thre any ingame channels that are made for RP? I havent seen any RP in eve yet at all..
Im not so comfy with beeing in char yet, but it would be nice to see how RP is done in this game.

'The Summit' is probably the most populated general RP channel. Other than that, amny RP organizations have IC public channels you can join (such as Naqam's own 'Toxic Edge' or Ghost Festival's 'Skyhook' (or is it 'The Skyhook', can never rememebr)) Anyway, good place to start - The Summit. There is an associated channel for OOC stuff called, creatively 'OOC'
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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by chadwill

Wed, 21 May 2009 11:31:00 +0000

Maybe the wrong place to ask,

Is thre any ingame channels that are made for RP? I havent seen any RP in eve yet at all..
Im not so comfy with beeing in char yet, but it would be nice to see how RP is done in this game.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Marcel Rhodes

Fri, 9 May 2009 01:30:00 +0000

Edited by: Marcel Rhodes on 09/05/2008 01:34:22
To repeat: be different. Make contradictions. Not every Gallente lacks religious belief - there's a few in CVA. Conversely, not every Amarrian is a fervent believer. Your character is an individual person, and people very rarely conform to stereotypes. In many cases, they don't even make sense until you know the background.

If you can, come at RP from both a new and plausible angle. Maybe you're a refugee from a border skirmish (but, for heaven's sake, don't have both your parents die). Maybe you have children. There's tonnes of things you can do that can both help define you as a character and not sound hackneyed.
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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Kitoba

Wed, 7 May 2009 00:16:00 +0000

Actually, it's quite simple: Let your character be someone whom you know really, really well, maybe better than yourself, and then let the character express itself through you. Do not identify yourself with your alter ego, or your character becomes yourself. Roleplaying isn't about becoming someone else, but about being someone else.

(Which is the only reasonable excuse for people to play Amarr, Kit tells me)

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Ashar KorAzor

Mon, 28 Apr 2009 11:54:00 +0000

So, whichever CCP staff member is watching this thread (preferably Eris, though for more than just her signature style of awesome this time), what are the chances of getting a written guide put at the beginning of it, a guide that compresses the various bits of often conflicting advice in this thread (the gist of which has changed over time, as this thread is OLD) and manages to be up to snuff in terms of covering the prime fiction, what's useful to newer roleplayers, and all the rest of that good stuff?

I mean, this thread's a pretty okay idea, but it's been up for a while and as perspectives have shifted and players have matured, it became a bit hard to keep it all together. Some of the veterans would be game to have a try at compiling this in a more readable format and adding in information repositories and resources on the various bloodlines, factions, and in-character perspectives. We'd just like to know ahead of time that it won't be a wasted effort.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Davis Valdran

Sat, 22 Mar 2009 03:42:00 +0000

Thanks for this post, comming back to Eve I MAY try to get into RP. I'm currently going through the whole topic. To be honest I never thought much RP happened in Eve and its not the first time I've seen someone in game who says they RP get a fair bit of OOC abuse from people who have never RPed. I'm very new to RP, completely new to it on Eve but I have actually been checking out some RP muds. Outwith RP circles I have noticed the incorrect assumption that Rpers are all kids etc but the fact is all the ones I've got to know on the muds are adults and usually pretty/very intelligent as well. (Really strict about spelling and punctuation as well! My English is reasonable but I just can't compete with people that have been speaking flawlessly on muds for 10 years! Practice makes perfect I guess)

Back to solely RP though! I think I'm going to find it hard to put together a decent background if I did try to get involved since I dont really know a decent source where I can find extensive Eve lineage historys. I'm looking through the thread for this but if its not included maybe someone could add a resource that they used to help them to get their background in line with the eve story.

Apologies for talking OC here , here endeth this at the end of this thread!

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Grizzly Joe

Mon, 4 Feb 2009 06:59:00 +0000

Did anyone find that list of RP channels? I've been hanging out in The Summit recently but there doesn't seem to be much going on there whenever I'm about. Sure, I should just go ahead and introduce myself but I was hoping to lurk for a while to get used to the whole rp thing. Also I get the impression that it's a channel for discussing politics and important issues of the day - having just graduated from school Joe was hoping to avoid that for a while (yes, the Amarr are all evil slavers and we must fight for our rights and my duty as a pod pilot is blah, blah, blah...)

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Sepherim

Fri, 11 Jan 2009 00:09:00 +0000

I would resume it in three terms, related to each other:

a) Think as the character would: like a pilot with those ideas would if EVE ever existed and he was in that situation.

b) Feel like the character would.

c) Act like the character would.

It sounds complicated but, actually, it is pretty simple. Of course, all ideas here are helpful towards "how to do this", but in the end, what matters is simply to, for some time, become the pilot.

And don't take this outside the game. ;)

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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Kremlin KOA

Wed, 9 Jan 2009 11:07:00 +0000

Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: Cvoboda

Maybe I'm too much of a newb to realize this, but what's wrong w/ rp marriages.

Becaus marriage ingame is the Eve-equivalent of internet relationships/dating and therefor needs to be stamped out by any means possible.

considering that a friend of mine had been married for about 7 years to a woman he met online, and is happily married.

You may want to consider how your comments could be considered offensive

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Mericot Finweth

Sat, 15 Dec 2009 12:16:00 +0000

In my opinion, role-playing is a form of acting. As in acting there are genres and different styles of acting. Unlike acting, there is less presence of scripts and directors.

Now, one way to emulate acting is by taking your cue from film or theatre productions like Rome, Battlestar Galactica or Napoleon. I'll call this epic style role-playing. You basically have a storyline where the actions that the characters take are important. f. ex. "Julius Caesar has to conquer Gaul. Oidipus has to kill his father and marry his mother.". Careful planning and pre-scripting (by talking to other role-players before or after the event)helps this approach a lot. Monologues and long speeches are common, and it seems a form very appropriate for Galnet. One problem with this approach is that epic often is a tragic genre, meaning if not everyone dies at the end, it might feel like it went wrong. Still it seems viable for role-playing and fits well with the unwritten rule that your actions in-game should agree with your forum presence. It is also fairly easy to keep OOC and IC comments apart. You don't think you're Julius Caesar, do you?

Another way to emulate acting is by focusing on the internal processes of your character's psychological profile. Here the inspiration could be the drama genre of film or theatre. Here your actions are less important since it is what your character makes out of being left out at a dinner session or what he makes out of losing 10000 crew members on his battleship that is important. The focus is on the psychological reaction. Think of a Cassavetes movie for example. Tools for this approach is more dialogue than monologue and corp chat windows or specially created chat windows are probably easier to get this going in than on Galnet. Improvisation is much more important than pre-scripting and it seems to work best when you don't pre-script or talk to other characters beforehand. The surprise factor is part of the deal. To do this, you have to, as an actor does, draw from your personal psychological experience, in order to become your character for a short moment in order to be able to improvise in character. This is very hard and there are acting schools dedicated to this process (I think some guy named Stanislavskij started this type of thinking). It is also very hard to keep IC and OOC comments apart and it probably helps if the people you are interacting with knows this and gives themselves and you some lee-way. Think of theatre improvisation back in school, if you ever did such. Sometimes it goes awry. This tends to put a focus on your character's actions being IC to a very high degree and puts a severe psychological pressure on anyone trying to keep immersion qualities.

A third way to see it, which would be specific for role-playing in a game universe like EVE, would be the genre of the absurd. Think of Beckett plays, Mel Brooks "Spaceballs" or "Star Wreck". This enables you to see the various comments in the LOCAL chat window as part of some absurd play that is being played out and it also enables epic characters to be seen in a comic and hopefully funny way. The style is full of OOC comments and references while at the same time maintaining (in absurdum) IC representation. Paraphrasing and ironic commentary are useful tools for this. The Super Bowl game or Harry Potter book being discussed in a chat window is really a code for Mind Clash games and the new bestseller by a famous writer from The Scope. This style of role-playing however can make people a bit uneasy unless they understand what you are doing or trying to do. It is probably best to at least let people know that you are attempting this style with people OOC. However, that's no guarantee that it will work. People have very different senses of humor.

In all of the above, it helps if you are interacting with people that understand what you are trying to do, explicitly or implicitly.

It is even better if you understand it yourself.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Stitcher

Fri, 30 Nov 2009 23:16:00 +0000

Originally by: Chishan
Edited by: Chishan on 18/09/2007 10:09:55
Originally by: Aceformat
Doing the IC and RP thing is something I would like to try, but I'm unsure, I don't want to sit in corp chat and 100% RP, more flirt if you will, my corp which I just created basically gives my angle away a little, but with me inviting new players into the corp I don't want to hit them 100% with RP (Do the mining, run missions, pvp, usual stuff ect)

It will be 100% Caldari of that I have no doubt, but will the RP community accept a corp such as this?

Also the events seem a little bare, how do these get done by CCP or are these things I create myself?

In U'K we RP in Local and in specially created RP channels. In corp and alliance chat we tend to be OOC except for friendly IC teasing and the like.

As far as a Caldari only corp, I say go for it. Masuat'aa Matari is Minnie only and we have a blast with it.

Events are totally up to the players these days as the Events team has been shuffled off. =/

If I wasn't quite happy where I am, I'd already have gone off to join, or found, a Caldari RP corp myself. It'd be really nice to see a parallel to the U'k for each of the major factions.
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"Stitcher" is just a call sign. My name is Verin Tarn-Hakatain.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Ramus Clay

Mon, 24 Sep 2009 22:04:00 +0000

Wonderful thread! Being of great help, thank you!

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Chishan

Tue, 18 Sep 2009 10:07:00 +0000

Edited by: Chishan on 18/09/2007 10:09:55

Originally by: Aceformat
Doing the IC and RP thing is something I would like to try, but I'm unsure, I don't want to sit in corp chat and 100% RP, more flirt if you will, my corp which I just created basically gives my angle away a little, but with me inviting new players into the corp I don't want to hit them 100% with RP (Do the mining, run missions, pvp, usual stuff ect)

It will be 100% Caldari of that I have no doubt, but will the RP community accept a corp such as this?

Also the events seem a little bare, how do these get done by CCP or are these things I create myself?

In U'K we RP in Local and in specially created RP channels. In corp and alliance chat we tend to be OOC except for friendly IC teasing and the like.

As far as a Caldari only corp, I say go for it. Masuat'aa Matari is Minnie only and we have a blast with it.

Events are totally up to the players these days as the Events team has been shuffled off. =/

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Revan Neferis

Mon, 27 Aug 2009 12:08:00 +0000

Many of the most important advices here were already given. I would highlight the importance of a few and add:

1- Know the Prime Fiction. Know the characters backgrounds and personalities before adressing them publicy here. Understand the Universe you are interacting with.

2- Let your life and actions in game build your character, not the contrary.

3- Don't use name of personalities to build your story or involve them into your world without their approval. This is very delicate. You may. or may not get their attention but definately it's not the way to go.

4- Be creative. Be creative. Be creative. Don't fear to explore possibilities.

5- Have fun role playing.

Eshtir, for Emperor

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Aceformat

Thu, 23 Aug 2009 04:08:00 +0000

Doing the IC and RP thing is something I would like to try, but I'm unsure, I don't want to sit in corp chat and 100% RP, more flirt if you will, my corp which I just created basically gives my angle away a little, but with me inviting new players into the corp I don't want to hit them 100% with RP (Do the mining, run missions, pvp, usual stuff ect)

It will be 100% Caldari of that I have no doubt, but will the RP community accept a corp such as this?

Also the events seem a little bare, how do these get done by CCP or are these things I create myself?

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Strikeclone

Mon, 16 Jul 2009 17:33:00 +0000

The whole point about roleplay is to give a context to the things you do do in game, and to fill in the blanks that the game mechanics dont cover.

For example
The game mechanics dont allow you to leave your pod, but the game background says we can, it is the very ability to leave the pod without becoming a mindlocked lump of flesh thats makes a person eligable to be a pod pilot in the first place.

So for example we shouldn't be afraid to RP social and military situations where you are not in a pod, even though the game mechanics dont actually allow us out of the pod,....yet.

What is possible is not always probable, and visa versa. And the self style RP police (players who think themselves better than the rest as opposed to mods) are always looking for someone they can pick on if they believe (or want to believe) that this princiuple has been violated.

Is possible for a pilot to nuke a planet? not in game mechanics, but it is possible to nuke a planet. Any extreme claims like this would have to have some pretty commpelling game action to justify this claim. And realistically may not be possible outside of a mutual RP war (like the amarr/minny one) where OOC pre battle conditions can be set to generate a player made storyline battle. (internal storyline not back storyline)

Bottom line in all things is that its supposed to be fun, so write a history for your pilot, and don't be brow beaten into making it boring and dull, pod pilots are the top 0.0001% of all humanity in Eve. We ARE special and rare, we are not road sweepers that got lucky on the lottory and bought a Caldari Navy Raven and hired 5000 crew to fly it.
We are elite in the cluster and our lives are extreme. But maybe start slow and feel your way into it. Claiming to be the long lost emperors love child by his gallente body slave and that your returning to claim the throne will not get you well received.

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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Mah Kraah

Sat, 14 Jul 2009 12:37:00 +0000

Edited by: Mah Kraah on 14/07/2007 12:37:51
what ever u do , do not claim to do things u cant back up with game action.
if u are a mimatar terrorist dont claim u to nuclear bomb amarr homeworld from orbit if they dont release 1.5 billion slaves.
u cant do the actual bombing and and there is no in game char able to hand over 1.5 billion slaves.
those stuff is reserved for ccp storryline actors.
u can destroy a npc slave convoy and scoop the remaining slaves from the loot and bring them to a minmatar station and anounce u have "freed" them, even after they will just sit there in ur hangar as ccp has no function included into the game to actualy convert them to freed slaves(shame on u ccp after that many years...). important part is that u have actualy done it in game.
dont claim to send ground troops to a planet to assasinate o local politic. u cant.
when ushra khan claimed to have the vitoc cure prototype we actualy looted the doctors wreck and found it in his wrecks loot. we would have never claimed to have it else.
create ur char, play him in game as if he and his opineons were real, as far as the gamemechanics allow.if u play a tru conservative amarr u wont fly in a gang under the command of a minmatar, ever.if u are a caldari industrialist u suport everyone for cash, if u are the same , as galente, u wont do the same for a terrorist or a slave trader....
what ever u are , back it up with in game action, else its only words and just words.
if u dont talk a single word on local or forums but u start to shoot a player or npc just for the reson he is a foe to your char(amarr-minmatar galente caldari), if u set up ur hq in a caldari station instead of a galente one coz ur char cant stand the galente lifestyle and sins, u already started the RP.
role play is not the words , roleplay is to act as ur char would if he where real.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Ugleb

Sat, 7 Jul 2009 13:35:00 +0000

Originally by: Min Herrick
Hey everyone, I've been thinking about joining the RP ranks as well with my Minmatar character (don't run away just yet he's not another of Amarr = space **** mentality).

However I'm not sure where to start is there a specific way to start RPing in the threads and in game or some sort of recommended thread I should make? There seems to be many threads here and a lot of them seem to be complete warzones something I love but a little out of my depth for the time being.

Thanks in advance.

There isn't really a formal route to getting involved as every player is a potential RP'er. You might join an established group or start your own. If you join a group then you inherit alot from their established identity which gives people some idea of where you are coming from. If you start your own group or stay with your existing corp you might want to put together some sort of address thread on IGS explaining your goals.

Alternatively just dive in and start expressing your characters views on whichever threads relate to you. Good luck.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Min Herrick

Wed, 4 Jul 2009 04:17:00 +0000

Hey everyone, I've been thinking about joining the RP ranks as well with my Minmatar character (don't run away just yet he's not another of Amarr = space **** mentality).

However I'm not sure where to start is there a specific way to start RPing in the threads and in game or some sort of recommended thread I should make? There seems to be many threads here and a lot of them seem to be complete warzones something I love but a little out of my depth for the time being.

Thanks in advance.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Nachshon

Mon, 11 Jun 2009 03:32:00 +0000

Edited by: Nachshon on 11/06/2007 03:33:53

Originally by: Sidrat Flush
Great advice over the last two years. I am new to this, however I love storylines, and while I don't have the looks or the voice for acting, in Eve, I do have the imagination. Probably.

Thankfully I am a good listener.

During reading these posts I've had a conversation with a long time rp'r who finally allowed my penny to drop.

A story has a beginning middle and end. But where does a story actually begin?

The story of red riding hood I was told I am positive had the lines "What big ears you have granny" wondered Little Red Riding Hood aloud.

What it didn't go into what why her mother let her only daughter walk through a forest alone when there was a danger of a "man-eating" wolf around the area. If granny was so beloved, why was she still living in a dangerous area of the forest and well. I'm sure in my version the granny gets gobbled (it was an acceptible word at the time!) up and a wondering lumberjack saves LRRH in time and kills the wolf.

So where does a story REALLY begin? Sidrat Flush is a couple of years old and has a pretty decent corp/alliance history. Not that I'll allow it to disable my rp experience. This is far more interesting than north vs south war ever would be.

Suffice to say I despise slave traders, and hope my beloved State will see sense and use their diplomatic channels to wheen the State off their dependancy of forced labour.

Hmm. Interesting - you sound like Nachshon a while ago. I should mention that Nachshon ultimately joined the Republic.

Anyway, a good first start is to create a basic childhood storyline. It need not be complex - we have enough stories of escaped slaves or such as it is.
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Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.

The True Meaning of Freedom

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Sidrat Flush

Tue, 15 May 2009 13:50:00 +0000

Great advice over the last two years. I am new to this, however I love storylines, and while I don't have the looks or the voice for acting, in Eve, I do have the imagination. Probably.

Thankfully I am a good listener.

During reading these posts I've had a conversation with a long time rp'r who finally allowed my penny to drop.

A story has a beginning middle and end. But where does a story actually begin?

The story of red riding hood I was told I am positive had the lines "What big ears you have granny" wondered Little Red Riding Hood aloud.

What it didn't go into what why her mother let her only daughter walk through a forest alone when there was a danger of a "man-eating" wolf around the area. If granny was so beloved, why was she still living in a dangerous area of the forest and well. I'm sure in my version the granny gets gobbled (it was an acceptible word at the time!) up and a wondering lumberjack saves LRRH in time and kills the wolf.

So where does a story REALLY begin? Sidrat Flush is a couple of years old and has a pretty decent corp/alliance history. Not that I'll allow it to disable my rp experience. This is far more interesting than north vs south war ever would be.

Suffice to say I despise slave traders, and hope my beloved State will see sense and use their diplomatic channels to wheen the State off their dependancy of forced labour.
Life is about memories the more the better.
Looking for CCP to improve availability of their GTC's, for non card carriers!

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Gorin N'Osho

Mon, 16 Apr 2009 11:41:00 +0000

Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos

Mistakes are to be made and I don't think they should be frowned upon. EVE to me is a lot more than just lining up the next fleet battle or honing your dog fighting skills.

Absolutely, but that goes back to what a previous poster said about knowing the game's legend. With roleplaying there is no right or wrong way to do it as long as you stay in context. If you're not aware of the backstory and start running around contradicting it, you won't be long in ****ing people off.

EVE is a slow burning, beautifuly crafted open ended story with every player a main character. It's our game, and it's our story but we have to be mindful of others and not spoil their enjoyment whilst having our own. If you're in company that enjoys RP Cheddar then lay it on thick, by all means.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Ottom Ephesianos

Tue, 10 Apr 2009 16:11:00 +0000

Originally by: Gorin N'Osho
Don't overdo it; being subtle has much more impact than blurting out buzz words and Matari war cries every other sentence.

You see some RP'ers who are so cheesy you could melt them over toast. When you post in the forums or talk in game, there's no need to spew your character's life history out at every opportunity.
You want people to know your backstory? Type it in your bio and just leave it there. Subtle roleplaying will peak peoples' interest and they'll go looking for your history, let them find it themselves and fill in any blanks when the need arises.

ok now, see I like cheese. I figure the more cheese the better. EVE is an unwritten universe and anywhere more 'meat' can be added to the skeleton I say the better she will be.
I dont think its a matter of wanting people to know backstory or making a name for your character here. I think its a matter of needing those useless facts and ideas. Some to be shot at and some to be put into play. There are few places where RPers can just throw themselves out there. Mistakes are to be made and I don't think they should be frowned upon. EVE to me is a lot more than just lining up the next fleet battle or honing your dog fighting skills. Its a rare platform for space role play and that shouldn't be overshadowed by PvP and war mongers. We shouldn't let it.
Its our job to fill in the blanks. CCP made it very clear they would not, as players its our job.

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"Trust me I've done this before."
Elite R. Ephesianos
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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Gorin N'Osho

Sun, 8 Apr 2009 11:02:00 +0000

Don't overdo it; being subtle has much more impact than blurting out buzz words and Matari war cries every other sentence.

You see some RP'ers who are so cheesy you could melt them over toast. When you post in the forums or talk in game, there's no need to spew your character's life history out at every opportunity.
You want people to know your backstory? Type it in your bio and just leave it there. Subtle roleplaying will peak peoples' interest and they'll go looking for your history, let them find it themselves and fill in any blanks when the need arises.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Ottom Ephesianos

Thu, 29 Mar 2009 06:26:00 +0000

its not hard to not rp as long as you dont drag the real world into the thread. Now as far as the *snips* that the mods have a ball doing making their own judgements.... I hope they have a vault they save those *snips* in otherwise it'll be a real pain to have lost information on here. Of course saving a file before posting would be the best thing to do. However thats not always the case when posting in bulk.

So yeah, best to get the child safe ones.

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"Trust me I've done this before."
Elite R. Ephesianos
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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Darth Sage

Wed, 28 Mar 2009 18:39:00 +0000

so it is easy to rp like a mad man when not meaning
to, yet when you try to rp as one its hard
work....that's just hurts my brain.

In The Name Of Omir Sarikusa We Claim Your Blood!

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Wren

Mon, 12 Mar 2009 15:02:00 +0000

All about motivations.

Find some beyond mere isk hording or power mongering.
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Wren says: "Chirpy Chirp Chirp.... DAMNIT!"

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Kakuya Kuma

Thu, 8 Mar 2009 07:10:00 +0000

testing post capibilities here....... 1....2....3....complete

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Scagga Laebetrovo

Wed, 7 Mar 2009 21:01:00 +0000

Don't be too timid to draw plausible extensions of the 'interpretation' of prime fiction, if you want to try something different.

Have a good read of all factions available and what players have done with each one.

Delictum 23216 Official forums

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Ugleb

Sat, 20 Jan 2009 10:14:00 +0000

Edited by: Ugleb on 20/01/2007 10:11:49

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Hi,

This seemd to be the best thread to ask this question. Is there an RP channel and/or how do I know who wants RP in space? I don't see much of it, could just be my region too.

Thanks

RP shouldn't be restricted to interaction between RP'ers, if you are going to RP you should act consistently at all times as you are 'on show' at all times. I'm a Matari Freedom Fighter, if I found a player transporting slaves I should demand he surrender them and shoot him down if necessary. He might be an Amarr RP'er, he might be some random Gallente player running a mission, his motive for slave trading isn't important to my character, the fact that he is a slave trader (to my point of view) is.

Alot of players don't consider RP implications to their actions simply because no-one has challenged them to think about it, you will find that some players will begin to RP after a run in with an RP group as a result of the challenge. The point is to be true to what your character would do.

I try to make all of my local/public comms in character but I do post OOC when/where needed, I'll sometimes chat about OOC stuff in my ratting system as I see those guys most days, or if a situation just requires that I speak OOC, otherwise I keep it IC with everyone I come across.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Adunh Slavy

Fri, 19 Jan 2009 19:52:00 +0000

Hi,

This seemd to be the best thread to ask this question. Is there an RP channel and/or how do I know who wants RP in space? I don't see much of it, could just be my region too.

Thanks
-AS

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Agustus Caesar

Wed, 10 Jan 2009 18:48:00 +0000

Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 10/01/2007 18:45:22
NEVER EVER make a claim you cant back up, even in a RP thread. For example if you respond to someone by saying "I'll deal with you soon enough" or "I'll bury your corp/alliance/coalition" you probably won't have to worry about people tracking you down and poding you over such comments, but you will get ruthlessly flamed for making a military threat when your not fighting in a RP alliance. Us part-time RPers have to tread carefuly to avoid having the "if you think that way then prove it with your ship instead of words" card(which is a pretty lame unbeatable way of dodging responding to the content of a post) played on us. If your a part time RPer (meaning your not in an RP corp or alliance) then your best bet is making your argument as non-abrasive as possible, thats not to say you can't come out negatively against someone, just choose your words carefully so you don't wind up having 3 pages of flames on your post (found that out the hard way ).

Oh and alts. NEVER post with alts on purpose, and if you accidently do immediately post again with your main and identify your alt. Alt posting on purpose is lame, its a cheap way of dodging various RP arguments and just cheapens the experience for everyone.

Stick to prime fiction as much as possible and when prime fiction doesn't cover something that is consistent to the general atmosphere that the prime fiction creates, Ie: don't say anything TOO loopy (like saying your an undercover Amarrian agent when your avatar is Gallante) while it isn't necessarily snip or flame worthy, it does leave people scratching their heads asking "WTF is he smoking?".

-Caesar
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Unless otherwise stated my opinions don't represent that of my corporation and/or alliance, but unless your retarded, that should go without saying

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Dau Imperius

Sat, 6 Jan 2009 16:03:00 +0000

There's a thin line between Genious and Madness. And it's is only in the eyes of those who could not possibly fathom such ideas in the first place.

I am Dau Imperius. A philospher who could put some of the best ancients on thier knees begging for true enlightenment. But this is not my goal. I do not rave, I tell you what could be. I understand the what if's. I theorise on subjects would boggle the poor warrior or priest. Your titles mean nothign to me, your kills just the same.
None of you are ready yet for what awaits our kind. The animal in you holds us back.

No I am not mad. I am one of the ancient philosophers from the place before the eye, reborn. Yes I beleive that the eye held something once. There was a past there. I wonder if the eye were to open again what might happen to ourselves?
You see these are things I can think about. Things you do not want to hear. Genious, not madness.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Nachshon

Fri, 29 Dec 2009 19:52:00 +0000

I have a solution for all those players who claim to come from a lower-class background or are escaped slaves. How did they become capsuleers?

They got a scholarship.

So, you can play as a escaped slave who hid out in a cargo ship, then jumped ship once you were in the Republic. However, before taking vengeance, include getting a Freeman Scholarship to the Republic Military Academy. Problem solved!

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Roy Gordon

Fri, 15 Dec 2009 09:03:00 +0000

P, the problem here is what you expect to see on this forum, and what others expect to see. You have to remember that there are quite a few older on-line games out there which do not have ‘official’ forums, much less a RP one. They have instead fan driven ones and they, as a consequence, are generally quite tolerant of many things which might not fit a more rigid RP mindset. Players who come from other games may be used to making posts which appear story-like in appearance. This is generally a way of giving their fellow gamers some idea of their character background. Is this RP? Well, as long as it’s entertaining, informative or interesting, and relates to a character, I would say so. But then, I too have been used to posting on fan driven RP game sites for a number of years now. I am therefore both more tolerant and used to such things.
That which does not kill us makes us stronger.
The Universe is ruled by three basic principles-
Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest!

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Prescience

Thu, 14 Dec 2009 09:05:00 +0000

Although this is highly intolerant, in fact, Im regretting even starting writing this, but can we have less emo posting on these forums, in the strictest sense, this is a multiplayer game, this is a roleplaying forum for a multiplayer game QED fiction should go elsewhere. The thread 'I Vowed' isnt really roleplaying and is quite depressing to boot. Can we limit these posts to a forum for those who want to read that sort of thing.

With the best intentions.

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WHO said EVE had to be FAIR??

Tripping up on the 'good intentions' paving, asking for directions to hell.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Roy Gordon

Tue, 12 Dec 2009 15:51:00 +0000

There is another interesting dimension to the RP debate which perhaps needs to be aired. How would people welcome, or not as the case may be, players who use EvE as a basis for their own space-based RP game, without using its background? EvE would appear to be an ideal vehicle for players wanting to RP in a ‘live’ RP universe based around say Babylon 5 or Firefly. This already happens in a number of other on-line Fantasy based RP games I’ve been playing for a few years now. Players have ignored the games background in favour of one which they prefer i.e. in Ultima Online there are many players who use the ‘Forgotten Realms’ background rather than the ‘offical’ one. No one frowns on this, in fact everyone welcomes the diversity it brings to the game.
How would people react to players having a RP conversation which does not have its basis in the EvE universe, but do involve players playing EvE but in their own way?

That which does not kill us makes us stronger.
The Universe is ruled by three basic principles-
Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest!

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Nikolai Nuvolari

Sat, 9 Dec 2009 04:55:00 +0000

Originally by: Steel Actual
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
I know most of the people who write those articles (myself, Davlos, the Wassenars, CVA, etc), and so far as I know, none of us have a problem with people RPing things that can't be reproduced ingame. Where did you get the idea that there is a "double standard"?
You yourself may have never, ever once called anyone out for RPing something that can not be reproduced in game, but I have seen it done and it always ends in a big flame fest. Its one of the reasons I have stayed away from the IGS as far as posting goes.

To many quote the back story as the rule rather than a guide, they object to anything that is not explicitly "exemplified" by the prime fiction, even if the RP is well within the spirit of the prime fiction and is in fact quite plausible.

And when this mode of attack on someones RP fails they fall back to the "you can't do it in game so you can't RP it" position.

I am quite sure that as a regular poster on the IGS you have seen this, no?

EDIT: I have just finished reading this particular thread end to end, there are several posts here, that seem to justify my observations.

You're absolutely right in that people certainly complain about RP that "can't be reproduced ingame", but people with that mindset tend to HATE the firearm/vehicle/whatever "advertisements", not write them.

As far as backstory goes, if you say something that flat-out contradicts CCP's fiction, people are going to yell at you, and while there is nothing in the fiction one way or the other on elves, every player who tries to RP an elf gets yelled at, and I hope you can understand why. Most RP, on the other hand, is not laid out precisely in the backstory, but still meshes with it to form a consistent "EVE" universe. It's all a question of what is in "good faith" as far as backstory goes. Usually it's obvious, but once in a while it's not.
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Originally by: Herko Kerghans
Nik = win. Period.

Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Nachshon

Sun, 3 Dec 2009 20:40:00 +0000

Here is how I think of these boards. They are real message boards used by capsuleers in discussing affairs. You are roleplaying as a capsuleer who is accessing the GalNet forums. I have seen people post regarding EVE politics with the same fierceness as seen on RL political forums.

So don't just create a background. Create opinions. What are your character's politics? For instance, my character is a Caldari who calls himself an 'enlightened capitalist' - he seeks to do what is right and make money at the same time. He is aligned with the Caldari liberals, supports reconciliation with the Federation, and has recently declared allegience to the Minmatar freedom fighters. The last bit reflects an in-game decision as well - I am planning to leave my corp and join a Minmatar corp that does this kind of stuff.

Think about this. If you are a Gallente, who did you vote for last election? If you are Minmatar, how far do you think you should go to free Minmatar slaves (if at all - I have met one Matari who has allied with the Ammatars)? These will help you flesh out your character on the forums more than any background.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Steel Actual

Sun, 3 Dec 2009 10:24:00 +0000

Edited by: Steel Actual on 03/12/2006 10:31:08

Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
I know most of the people who write those articles (myself, Davlos, the Wassenars, CVA, etc), and so far as I know, none of us have a problem with people RPing things that can't be reproduced ingame. Where did you get the idea that there is a "double standard"?

You yourself may have never, ever once called anyone out for RPing something that can not be reproduced in game, but I have seen it done and it always ends in a big flame fest. Its one of the reasons I have stayed away from the IGS as far as posting goes.

To many quote the back story as the rule rather than a guide, they object to anything that is not explicitly "exemplified" by the prime fiction, even if the RP is well within the spirit of the prime fiction and is in fact quite plausible.

And when this mode of attack on someones RP fails they fall back to the "you can't do it in game so you can't RP it" position.

I am quite sure that as a regular poster on the IGS you have seen this, no?

EDIT: I have just finished reading this particular thread end to end, there are several posts here, that seem to justify my observations.

Tai'Shogun Bethany Austin Steel
"Steel Actual"

Steel Raven HQ

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Nikolai Nuvolari

Sun, 3 Dec 2009 07:42:00 +0000

I know most of the people who write those articles (myself, Davlos, the Wassenars, CVA, etc), and so far as I know, none of us have a problem with people RPing things that can't be reproduced ingame. Where did you get the idea that there is a "double standard"?
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Originally by: Herko Kerghans
Nik = win. Period.

Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Steel Actual

Sun, 3 Dec 2009 06:50:00 +0000

I think the most important thing to remember is that RP should drive the game mechanics, the game mechanics should not drive the RP

I have see people critize someones roleplay on the basis that they can not reproduce their RP actions ingame.

For example there are several posts about corps producing suits of armour or high tech weaponry and similarly entertaining and immersive peices of RP.
Although in game it is not possible to "produce" "reserch" or "develope" these items, it does not invalidate the RP.

Its a shame that some of the critics I mention above have the double standard of calling someone out because their RP can not be reproduces "ingame" who then go on to post about how they are making this great gun or suit of armour for infantry soldiers.

Clearly case of double standards.

Tai'Shogun Bethany Austin Steel
"Steel Actual"

Steel Raven HQ

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Mik Nostrebor

Wed, 22 Nov 2009 04:17:00 +0000

Another thing is props.

In this game we get given props all the time..especially from mssions. For example, in my corp we have a hagar called "The Breeding Pit". It started out as a place to put those peoples that we get in missions but have no immediate use for. Tourists, Exotic Dancers, Marines, Homeless etc etc. As the population grew it became an in-joke for the corp as being a corp run bar in station. A dangerous one. Soon there were over 100 marines and someone kept dropping spirits and quafe into the hangar. Soon there were illegal drugs and exotic dancers (not enough to go around mind you). Next small arms showed up and one corp member complained about being threatened when they went in there.
Things got weird. The marines starting guarding the doors and making demands of us to supply more and more illicit gear. Slaves, slaver hounds (we never asked what they wanted them for), cigarettes, ground cars (!?!) and finally the were a few corspes...and a Gallente reporter showed up...

Along this line we have one pilot who will not fly a combat ship without his exotic dancer girlfriend along. He says that he dies everytime she does not come along. Once he was popped in a group mission in very dire circumstances. He would not go back into the fight until someone rescued his girlfriend and brought her back safe and well. Luckily we found her alive in the wreckage and managed to get her out alive in nothing but a shuttle.

Every hangar I have has a janitor or three...all my ships need crew... more than one gallente reporter has been jettisoned into space when he has been less than co-operative.... We are nice guys but all of us kill people every trip, even the most carebear of the miners kills Angels.

:)
M

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Mik Nostrebor

Wed, 22 Nov 2009 04:02:00 +0000

Hi all,

I am relatively new to RP in the Eve setting but have been playing RP games (face to face) since the late 70's...egads I am getting old...

Something that I though I would add/reiterate is that this game actually gives you history as you go. Go read the backstory for general setting but even as a raw recruit things have happened to you.

The questions of how you got to be a pod pilot may be interesting but ultimately it is what you will do now that you are in your own ship and free of all bonds that makes the your story rich with potential.

It is easy to ingore the events that a game gives you (eg missions and mission running) and let them become hum-drum bnut remember these are "real life" things that happen to your character.

The thing is that the Eve universe has very little law. Pirates (NPC and player) infest the belts of even 0.8 sec status systems often only a jump or so from a capital system. Illegal brothels abound as do enemy incursions into sovereign systems. Largely CONCORD and the various navies care little about what happens to us freebooter POD pilots, they only intervene under very specific conditions.

When you start out, you are dumped into a huge Universe and everything is somewhat miraculous and mysterious. Older players often forget what it is like and can enjoy seeing newer rper's focussing on the particulars. With 1 day of play you may do cargo missions for a corp, jumping through several systems, meeting people (NPCs) or you may be sent on a mission to save a man's career or investigate some rogue drones.

Don't be afraid to do sight seeing either. Journey to the Eve Gate, visit the hot-spot currently in the news, go for a trip to a 0.0 system and see who you run into, get shot by etc. Al these things give your character history. Give you something to talk about and more depth of life.

As you grow as a player you will learn new skills, fly bigger ships, mine, trade, fight and find your feet. This journey is different for everyone and the play creates your attitudes.

I flew into Amarr space as a young Minmatar. I did not know if I would be allowed in. I cringed when jumping into the Ammatar space wondering if I would be shot at by the sentries just because I was flying a Minmatar registered ship. I got through without incident....then approached the first gate into actual Amarr space.

Then there was the time I flew a cargo run from Rens into Ammamake. I knew it was low sec but had flown in there a few times before and made a killing on the garbage market. People seemed scared to sell to the Quafe buyer there so the prices were high and the profits good. I was watchful as I warped in and to my horror there was a flashing red Megathron sitting on the gate at 100km or so. Panicing I chose the Quafe station and gave the command to warp, causing the jump cloak to break. Next thing I hear the awfull sound of being target locked followed by the shrieking of tearing metal as my slowly accelerating took the first salvo. In seconds the shields and armour were gone and before I could warp my Hoarder flew apart jettisonning my capsule into space. etc etc etc...

To this day such names as Superbus Maximus and Grant Smith ring loud in my mind as those who have preyed on me and some day shall be the mouse to my cat!

History.
Story.

It's there in game, let it shape the character you play.

Mik

AUSSIE AND KIWI EVE Fansite

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Shintoko Akahoshi

Sat, 18 Nov 2009 20:55:00 +0000

Madmen are interesting.

I want to chime in on a couple of points.

One is the whole "hero/humble" thing. I think the main point here is to not godmod. You know what I mean: "Charlie McUber is an invincible cyborg warrior with chainsaws grafted where his hands should be - which doesn't hinder him due to his telekinetic powers...". If you're acting like a hero in game, then be a hero in your RP. If you're acting humble in game, do likewise. It's annoying to see someone who's just popped out of the character creation screen claiming to be an admiral or lord or what have you. On the other hand, if you're a big shot in a big alliance, then you should by all means RP that way. Common sense, really.

The other thing is what Leon said about a year ago, and I think it needs to be reinforced: Don't play a static character. Have things change you. I'll use an example from my own character. I've RPed Shin as sort of a cross between Joan Jett in a pod and Gaspar Anoun from Catch of the Day. Various events too tedious to go into here have led her into a directorate role in a fairly conservative (though not loyal) Caldari corp, whose CEO encourages her (forcefully) to adopt traditional Caldari culture. This is an interesting RP opportunity, and I've been able to have fun RPing this in various channels. Pulgor has done the same sort of thing, where his changes of loyalty are RPed in interesting ways, as well as other characters.

Omerta Syndicate Biotechnical Research

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Agent Li

Mon, 13 Nov 2009 20:22:00 +0000

You know, I don't quite understand this topic. Aren't some of us *trying* to sound like madmen?

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Ottom Ephesianos

Fri, 27 Oct 2009 21:36:00 +0000

Where are my popcycles?

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"Trust me I've done this before."
Elite R. Ephesianos
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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Nikolai Nuvolari

Wed, 25 Oct 2009 06:07:00 +0000

Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Originally by: Herko Kerghans
Nik = win. Period.

Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Mebrithiel Ju'wien

Tue, 24 Oct 2009 17:44:00 +0000

Originally by: Eshtir
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Err.. so now its wrong to be a madman?!??!??

Not if you're as sought after as you. Besides, we're all mad here

And im your king

One of these days, I'll teach you how Sani Sabik makes me your Empress, but continue to delude yourself for now, ISD...

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Eshtir

Sat, 21 Oct 2009 23:13:00 +0000

Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Err.. so now its wrong to be a madman?!??!??

Not if you're as sought after as you. Besides, we're all mad here

And im your king

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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Mebrithiel Ju'wien

Fri, 20 Oct 2009 15:16:00 +0000

Originally by: Gaius Kador
Err.. so now its wrong to be a madman?!??!??

Not if you're as sought after as you. Besides, we're all mad here

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Gaius Kador

Thu, 19 Oct 2009 11:37:00 +0000

Err.. so now its wrong to be a madman?!??!??
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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Strikeclone

Thu, 19 Oct 2009 01:23:00 +0000

Originally by: Takitoo

That was made up after a run-in with one player who claimed to be an Admiral of a pirate fleet she lead to victory. (After leading a gang of 6 ships during a mission. Once. In an Alliance.)

Please. If you don't have negative standings with anyone, no bounty, no indication of any illegal activity, don't claim you're the leader of a pirate fleet, caught by CONCORD and convicted. It doesn't add up.

The same goes for everything else. If it doesn't add up, chances are it's a big leap that doesn't make sense.

No, I'm not a big industrial mogul. But I did build this one shuttle once.
No, I'm not a premier scientists. But I think I researched this BPO once.
No, I'm not a great pirate and invincible. I think I ganked that one frig once, though.
No, I'm not some great combat pilot. I don't think I did half bad in those gangs though.

Not everything you do has to be super, yo. Sometimes doing things well is just enough.

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Granted your encounter with super queen pirate is a valid extreme, I would council against judging roleplay by the ingame mechanics. For instance the black rabbits are a gurista based RP corp but they cant just change their standings over night and in some cases prehaps not at all.
Similarly I have no personal greivence with the minmatar replublic but have a slightly negative stnading with them, I also have had absolutley nothing to do with the Amarr empire but have a slight positive standing to them.
Remeber things like standings are automatically assigned by the game servers based upon factors we do control ( like agent running ) and factors we don't control (such as ingame empire alliances and relations)

Extreme claims and complete lunacy aside, every pod pilot is a member of a very small minority. Out of the teeming billions we are the fraction of a decimal of a percent that can use the pod technology without being put into comas, or mind lock etc.
And I for one dont want to play bob the sheep herder who "somehow" found out he was mindlock free and apply to join "them thar" pod training classes. Who will once qualified will use his civilian gatling/laser/autocannon to annihilate anything that was "wurrying mah sheeps" /me chews straw.

Strikeclone
High chief Pombear.
Head of Navel intellygence.
Defender of the enourmous manhood.
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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Ottom Ephesianos

Tue, 10 Oct 2009 06:31:00 +0000

Taki, can you make coffee without destroying my ship?

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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Strikeclone

Sun, 24 Sep 2009 23:47:00 +0000

I find it laughable that some of the posters here want everyone to be humble and live on bread and water.

What they clearly fail to appreciate is that being a pod pilot is to be part of an elite or exclusive club. We are the 0.0001% of the population who can use pod technology with out suffering "mindlock". I would imagine that tests done in infancy or invetro would determine if a child was a pod pilot potential. After this we would be given the very best treatment and education possible in our respective empires.
The character generation process even states this is the case as we all attend a variety of colleges and universities prior to our graduation.
None of us began our lives as bin men, or road sweepers. So what is the problem with a player spending the tinme to reserch the fictions and generate a plausable history for himself, so what if he wants to be the lost so of the amarrian empire. If he does nothing ingame to justify his claim then he will soon be laughed out of the court.

RP games are ment to stimulate the imagination, its a shame that many in eve are "rules lawyers" and cant even do that coherently.

Strikeclone
Celer Et Audax
Caldari Prime will be ours again!

Hoist Battle Ensigns

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Shanaya Venn

Sat, 23 Sep 2009 10:43:00 +0000

Originally by: Rakatan Ronala

Wich brings me to an alarming point,if everyone is immortal in EvE why is anyone fighting each other if you cant kill them?

The fight isn't always (or with immortality, even usually) about the killing. Killing is incidental fallout from the conflict.

The point of the *conflict* is, typically, the pursuit of power and control. Control of turf, control of resources, and the power that confers.

If the other guy won't just roll over and give me his rich asteroid field, well, maybe we'll just have to use some forceful persuasion to clear him out of there. Then if he returns with friends, let's see if me and my friends are powerful enough to keep him and his friends away from those resources.

Hence the "incidental" killing. It's really about control of resources.

Then there is also gratuitous killing, but that's exactly what it says it is. Cheap thrills for the killer.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Takitoo

Thu, 21 Sep 2009 23:13:00 +0000

Edited by: Takitoo on 21/09/2006 23:13:57
/me points to sig.

That was made up after a run-in with one player who claimed to be an Admiral of a pirate fleet she lead to victory. (After leading a gang of 6 ships during a mission. Once. In an Alliance.)

Please. If you don't have negative standings with anyone, no bounty, no indication of any illegal activity, don't claim you're the leader of a pirate fleet, caught by CONCORD and convicted. It doesn't add up.

The same goes for everything else. If it doesn't add up, chances are it's a big leap that doesn't make sense.

No, I'm not a big industrial mogul. But I did build this one shuttle once.
No, I'm not a premier scientists. But I think I researched this BPO once.
No, I'm not a great pirate and invincible. I think I ganked that one frig once, though.
No, I'm not some great combat pilot. I don't think I did half bad in those gangs though.

Not everything you do has to be super, yo. Sometimes doing things well is just enough.

[edit 4 t3h f0rm4t.]
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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Mebrithiel Ju'wien

Thu, 7 Sep 2009 22:09:00 +0000

Originally by: Rakatan Ronala
Wich brings me to an alarming point,if everyone is immortal in EvE why is anyone fighting each other if you cant kill them?

And to bring up the being on the spot RP channel and the Chatchannel RP channel..or whatever its called:Hey,we got those chat channels now,why shouldnt they have such channels in EvE where folks are like,100 times more advanced?

I'll help you out there: Why not? I'm sure you've watched the Highlander film(s).

Being immortal practically gives you bella causa to go out and try and destroy other pod pilots. It's one of the reasons us pvp-ers find solo miners incomprehensible (maybe they just don't want to lose stuff).

Sure you die, you lose a ship, lose isk in recreating a clone, but you'll always return to life. Get in a ship. Get out into space again. Go find another immortal to blow up.

As to your second point: Humanity will always chat. We've got an inate want to converse with people, even goths, trust me
Humanity is advanced in space travel, genetics, entertainment, and to some degree; ability. It's not gonna stop humanity from wanting to chat on multiple chat channels with other pod pilots. Hell, we're the elite. Our every movement in life is watched and followed by millions and sometimes billions of people - celebrities gotta stick together.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Rakatan Ronala

Thu, 24 Aug 2009 21:10:00 +0000

Edited by: Rakatan Ronala on 24/08/2006 21:10:53

Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville
Originally by: Takitoo

If your character is flying at an Armageddon Class battleship in a Rifter without feeling the slightest twinge of fear he'd better be high or insane. Otherwise I don't buy it. And most peopole don't hang out with either high people or insane people.

Why? After the first 5 or so times the feeling of dying and instantaneously emerging from a stasis tube with a fully functional body and your memories intact is about as poor a ward against dangerous behavior as a "SLIPPERY WHEN WET" sign.

Wich brings me to an alarming point,if everyone is immortal in EvE why is anyone fighting each other if you cant kill them?

And to bring up the being on the spot RP channel and the Chatchannel RP channel..or whatever its called:Hey,we got those chat channels now,why shouldnt they have such channels in EvE where folks are like,100 times more advanced?

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Shanaya Venn

Wed, 23 Aug 2009 11:45:00 +0000

Originally by: Kehmor
B: it makes no sense, if the blood raiders had this, they would use it. So before you try and be the saviour of Amarr, think for a second, can I really do this?

In fact, there is at least 1 mission targeting Blood Raiders who are attempting to deliver a viral agent to a planet in order to kill the planet's population (or a goodly chunk of it). That's not such a far leap to the RP scenario you describe.

However, in terms of RP that makes sense, certainly a large part of the challenge is to frame one's hypothetical scenario in a way that is *believable*. That certainly includes doing one's homework with PF and other already-written material. But it also includes building a believable chain of events and motivations into what one writes, and backing claims with enough factoids and atmosphere to make it all feel very solid and real.

It is not just a question of being able to point to game 'facts' to back up an assertion. The telling of the tale itself must feel (sound; read) convincing, and that is something composed as much of the art and craft of writing as of the science of game-related research and marshalled facts. Maybe even more.

I think it's a goal worth keeping in mind.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Kehmor

Tue, 8 Aug 2009 13:35:00 +0000

I'm lazy so apologies if these things have been mentioned.

1) Have flaws in your character, or atleast habits. For example my character fought for the Blood Raiders, and led paramilitary fleets to victory against the enemies of the Blood Raiders. But more and more now he is becoming an addict to multiple narcotics. So sure he's awesome (just like the player :P) but hes also a junky screw up. Also unlike the majority of RPers my character did not come the top of his class, he spent most of the time bumming around, and scraped a pass.

2) YOU DID *NOT* HAVE A HARD LIFE. Unless you have a terrific reason why you did. You are a pod pilot, the elite. You aprents must have been loaded to get you in that position.

3) Don't do stupid things which you can't back up. My most recent example is Sieesa's vindico cruor or whatever it's called which she claims to have stolen from the blood raiders and which is capable of destroying the population of an entire planet with ease. Now A: the event team will never act with this, there are currently much better and easier character run events which they could support. B: it makes no sense, if the blood raiders had this, they would use it. So before you try and be the saviour of Amarr, think for a second, can I really do this?

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Pezzle

Sun, 2 Jul 2009 00:15:00 +0000

The point I was trying to make in the comment about not liking what happens to you is geared more towards the standard gamer, shoot stuff, blah blah, shoot more stuff.
While the statement may not hold to the entire community, I can say you would likely see a fair amount of screaming and whining if people suddenly couldnt get into empire space that their characters supposedly didnt like, or if there were more proactive and less static reactions to make consequences for them. As it stands it is harder to get and maintain standings that impact you in a negative way than it is to gain positive reactions, which is kind of a shame.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Vera Nosfyu

Fri, 30 Jun 2009 04:56:00 +0000

Herko, I for one, as a confessed terrorist, would love it if the Amarr Empire shot me on sight and I had to work out smuggle schemes to get myself in there... On one condition.

That it be worth it. As it stands I would just be sitting around saying "Uh... So... I'm in Amarr now... Uhm... Yeah... Does any war target want to like, fight me or something? Yeah, 'cause that would be just swell."
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"Violence solves all problems, no man, no problem." --Josef Stalin

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Herko Kerghans

Fri, 30 Jun 2009 04:30:00 +0000

Originally by: Pezzle
For example, if someone, or a corp or alliance was declared an official enemy of say, the Gallente Federation, surely every Fed navy ship would shoot you, any offices you held would be closed, and your cloning in those areas they controlled would be shut down. They could easily block your ability to purchase goods through your account, etc etc

This would make the game relativly unplayable in any area that faction held sway. I refer to this aside from the - standing feature. CCP wants you to be able to play this game, it must be functional and fun. So naturally you cannot expect them to declare you or yours that serious a threat, they wont do it, and if they do, you probably wont like what happens to you.

(added underline)

Hum... I am not sure I agree with the above, for two reasons:

1) I, for one, would love to see the NPCs react to what you do, and I suspect I am not alone.

As a matter of fact, there is one case when the NPCs do react: piracy and low-security status. Kill enough people, you get shot by the NPCs in high-sec. I would love to see something similar but Faction-based (which is what you describe above: say I am pro-Caldari, the Fed denies access to me).

2) About "not liking what happens"... what would be the difference of me shooting [Insert Player Corp/Alliance] pilots and them setting me to -10 and shooting me on-sight, versus shooting [Insert NPC] and them doing likewise? After all, CCP clearly intends EVE to be a game with consequences... why if I call [Insert Alliance] a bunch of n00bs on the forums there may be certain consequences (ie them kicking my arse all over the cluster), but if I declare that my goal in life is to burn[Insert Faction] down then nothing happens?

In short: actions in EVE should have consequences, always, and roleplaying should not the exception. If "you don't like what happens to you" (if, you, say, declare yourself a Minmatar Freedom Fighter and the Amarr Empire sets you to -10 in return), perhaps you don't have what it takes to be said Minmatar Freedom Fighter?

What happens today (ie, nothing: you can be a confessed terrorist and the amarrians let you shop in Amarr Prime) kinda feels a bit odd, to be honest...

Barriers - an EVE novel - Chapter #4 released

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Shemar

Wed, 28 Jun 2009 17:33:00 +0000

I mostly agree with the above. I would like to point out that there is a way to role play and enemy of the faction. You can stop using any of the stations belonging to that faction (role play that they deny access to you) and never enter high security space belonging to that faction (assume you will be attacked by any ships guarding the gate along with any reinforcements in system). Make your RP valid by willingly paying the price for your choices (and the above is just an example), rather than exploit static game mechanics to have your cake and eat it too.
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How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Pezzle

Mon, 26 Jun 2009 22:53:00 +0000

I read through this thread and did not see this addressed, maybe it has been, if so sorry for the repeats.

Use of NPC inaction as justification for your stance/action/inaction or that of your rivals. Not to pick on anyone. but the Heresy business has made this very clear (feel free to read its 10 pages and growing)

CCP controls the major characters (rightfully). Expecting them to respond to player demands or threats is difficult if not impossible. Using the lack of response to these threats or demands etc can diminish the roleplaying experience.

We must also be wary not to officially speak for an NPC controlled faction. Again a difficult task, but as long as we are careful to point out that we are speaking on behalf of ourselves and our corperations, and not the official governments/organizations, we remain safe.

It is a fine line. Certainly we can use written information to back our agendas, but we must be wary of getting to close to that line, lest we step over it. The game system is simply not set up for such things. For example, if someone, or a corp or alliance was declared an official enemy of say, the Gallente Federation, surely every Fed navy ship would shoot you, any offices you held would be closed, and your cloning in those areas they controlled would be shut down. They could easily block your ability to purchase goods through your account, etc etc

This would make the game relativly unplayable in any area that faction held sway. I refer to this aside from the - standing feature. CCP wants you to be able to play this game, it must be functional and fun. So naturally you cannot expect them to declare you or yours that serious a threat, they wont do it, and if they do, you probably wont like what happens to you.

And by the same token they cannot declare someone else as 'correct' without legitimizing that person or entities power to make real game decisions, which must be done with utmost care, as it can be abused. Remember, CCP does not want to GIVE you power over another player, it is far to dangerous.

We must keep in mind that much of this game is static, and most big changes will take big events or extensive time. This of course ties in with some of the other fine points made on the thread.

And of course these are just my opinions, not those of anyone who actually matters ;)

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Verone

Sat, 10 Jun 2009 21:37:00 +0000

Have to say I agree there, It's better to see the most prolific things in people's lives in Eve happen dynamically, rather than through backstory.

VETO RECRUITMENT

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Shemar

Mon, 5 Jun 2009 17:13:00 +0000

/signed also

If you want to be somebody special, make yourself somebody special in game, with your words and actions, not by adding it to your background.
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Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Lillith Blackheart

Mon, 5 Jun 2009 15:43:00 +0000

Edited by: Lillith Blackheart on 05/06/2006 15:43:10
((double-double-post-post))

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Lillith Blackheart

Mon, 5 Jun 2009 15:43:00 +0000

/signed.

Normal people who aspire to do amazing things always make the best stories.

Me.

How not to sound like a madman (newbee guide to rp) - by Evelyn Lavi

Thu, 1 Jun 2009 04:55:00 +0000

My advice for roleplayer-aspirants is simple.

Don't try to be the "hero," just be a character and let the world make its own judgement.

Your parents were NOT murdered by pirates. Your parents are alive and well, or they don't matter to your story. This is about you, capsuleer.

Don't be a vampire. Please. There are too many in every MMO already, especially where they do not belong.

You'd be amazed how much fun you can have roleplaying a capsule pilot of meager beginnings trying to make a name for him/herself. You know, they way we actually began.