EVE-Search ForumWatch http://eve-search.com/ The alternative EVE-Online Forum browser. en-us Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:00:00 +0000 EVE-Search RSS Module v1.1 chribba@evemail <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by Karze Dywine]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#15 Originally by: Pottsey
I must stress this is just my personally theory. Its not proven.

I've never heard it put that way... very thought provoking.

My take on the Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races technology, is that they were actually mega corps from the old galaxy that were capitalising on the new systems; the gate closes; they lose contact to the "home"; technology is forgotten; the "old races" become the new ones, and the names given to the technology items are from the new races...

The way you put it makes the Enheduanni sound a bit like the Ancients from the Stargate series. Razz

As to why we can't trace them; We know that the Jovians have personal cloaks, and even the 4 races have ship cloaks, so they could have entire stations etc. hidden by advanced cloaking... so not "transcended" or something like that...

]]> Thu, 29 May 2008 11:38:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8004402 <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by Manfred Rickenbocker]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#14 Edited by: Manfred Rickenbocker on 28/05/2008 18:15:41
Only thing Id have worry to concern with is the 1,000 year time line. Maybe adjust it to 10,000 years or more? It is really difficult to adjust for cosmological time without points of reference and understanding developmental mile stones. I would wonder how the four precursor-esque races fit in because right now it seems from the mythology that they were either a) there straight from the gate collapse or b) were actually an upswing of civilization before a secondary collapse that spawned the current empire situation. Precious little information is available on them to make presumptions that they are involved with the Enheduanni in some way; but along the same lines there is no proof to the contrary. If the Enheduanni are this manipulative and selfish now, whats to say they didn't kill off the old races and not just steal all their stuff?
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The Enheduanni are amongst us and see to have free access to everyone space. No one knows where they are based. Well the Jove might do but if they know anything they are staying tight-lipped.
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]]> Fri, 9 May 2008 11:59:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7884142 <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by Avtambaram]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#12
]]> Fri, 9 May 2008 05:50:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7882892 <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by Pottsey]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#11 Also where's the info on these other ancient empires, which don't seem to have any trace in game it would seem?
Do you mean the Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races? There are tons of artefacts on the market and even skill books to do with the races tech. There are ruins to visit, blueprints to get for their items and lots to do with archaeology.
What do you mean no trace?

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]]> Thu, 8 May 2008 20:50:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7881228 <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by Sepharus Razin]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#10 Originally by: Kvirie

Also where's the info on these other ancient empires, which don't seem to have any trace in game it would seem?

I'd also like to learn more about this
]]> Thu, 8 May 2008 01:15:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7876458 <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by Kvirie]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#9 Edited by: Kvirie on 01/05/2008 02:13:55
I have always hoped that race would be somehow redone. The Jove are extremely advanced as it is, yet the Enheduanni make them look like cavemen. It seems rather constrictive to have a seemingly omnipotent race that is controlling the actions (more or less) of everyone. If they would actually be more on par with, or only slightly more advanced than the jove, then that'd be somewhat different. It'd be like having the federation fight the Q in Star Trek imo.

Also where's the info on these other ancient empires, which don't seem to have any trace in game it would seem?
]]> Thu, 1 May 2008 02:05:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7839599 <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by Daerdeae]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#8
After all this time, and with all transportation cut off, in and out, the Jovian Empire might've collapsed, been destroyed, overtaken, etc etc. if the Enheduanni took the fight to the ailing Jovian race, then it is very possible, even likely that, after this much time, the much more vigorous Enheduanni forces could be in control of Jovian space, and using Jovian traitors or prisoners to carry on the usual interaction with the outside world.

Under that theory, if the Stargates were to be rebuilt, or reconnected, then the Enheduanni would have an instant path of attack into our relatively fledgling races.

As is the topic of this discussion, this, too, is just theory.

But wouldn't *that* be interesting?]]> Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:02:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7814177 <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by 1717]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#7 Edited by: 1717 on 23/04/2008 23:52:30
I'm not quite sure what the Enheduanni are except a race more advanced (in some ways anyway) than the Jove (the sixth race??) In any case, the argument that they caused the Jovian disease has some merit to it obviously in reference to their supreme knowledge of bio-science. But then, reading the Jove race information page on this site indicates that the Jove themselves were probably the cause of the disease as this quote states:
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By this time the Jovians had begun interfering with their basic instincts, curbing their aggression and sexual instincts and cultivating strange new ones instead. Since the Shrouded Days, as the Jovians call their momentary social eclipse, they have been trying to put the pieces together again, but their DNA-structure has in many ways been damaged beyond repair.


Either way, it would be extremely interesting to hear from the Jove on how the Enheduanni war is going and what they might be doing to influence the four races now that the Jove are (seemingly) out of reach.

This raises another interesting question: with factional warfare coming in the next few months or so, are the Enheduanni behind it all? I'm sure we'll be given backstory as to how war has yet again broke out, but it makes you wonder if the Enheduanni weren't behind it all along, pulling strings and instigating conflict.

Very interesting stuff indeed.



Edit: On another note, being masters of complete teleportation, who's to say that the Jove havesuccessfully avoided the Enheduanni (as was their original goal by closing off access to their area of space via stargates)? Seeing as how Jovians themselves can't teleport on a whim, the fact that the Jove destroyed their stargates may be the only thing protecting the four races from Jove sleeper agents (as those may very well exist.)

I wish more information would be released on these things Neutral
eve-online.com]]> Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:48:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7803782 <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by Benco97]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#6 Well done.
Originally by: Kirjava
This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
]]> Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:54:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7754413 <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by Mithfindel]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#5 Edited by: Mithfindel on 26/03/2008 07:32:00
It's good to remember that of the races, the Minmatar were the only ones that had still functioning stargates in their systems. They didn't manage to build any new ones, but did use these three to colonize three systems.

The other Empires got over the void by slowboating. Now, if we assume that the ancient spacecraft had the warp speed of 0.1 AU/s or somesuch (that's still roughly 50c, or fifty times the speed of light - roughly warp 4 in the original Star Trek series scale), it would take months to travel to another system. Except that if we follow the ingame system, no ship has a capacitor large enough* to do the trip in a single go, so the travel time would be longer. Going star by star, assuming that setting up a colony capable of supporting another hop would take a year (which is likely much, much too short a time for this, though all luckily needs only to build a jump gate to its "parent" colony to connect to the rest of the empire), expanding would take centuries. There's plenty of space left for unknown races to dwell in.

*) The description of the Aeon hints that the Amarr used the shiptype or its predecessor to travel the previously uncharted void.
]]> Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:27:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7650054 <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by Shanas Vakeiku]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#4
Also, I don't think it was ever said, or even hinted at, when the Enheduanni achieved 'enlightenment.'
]]> Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:56:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7648005 <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by Pottsey]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#2 Edited by: Pottsey on 25/03/2008 17:04:26
I believe there design is to unite everyone under one race/name. They think they are, or perhaps they are enlightened and want to unite all the races like the Minmatar tribes which act as one. What better way to start then uniting races then starting with Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races under one name? The Enheduanni goals fits with uniting the 4 old races. Now the Jove I get the impression dont believe the races should be united and instead each race should go its own way, whichever way that is. The Jove are like the humans from the Eve gate, fractured and all going there own path.

I often wondered with mastery of genetic engineering beyond the Jove level did the Enheduanni play a part/role in the Jovian disease? But thats something for another day.


Thats enough of the Enheduanni goals. Onto the Technology.
We know the Enheduanni use Sleeper agents with Hyper-advanced implants
The Sleepers race were masters of virtual reality, neural interfacing and cryotechnology. Where sleeper agents named after this race and tech? All the techs that would be needed to create Sleeper agents of the style the Enheduanni use could come from The Sleeper and Takmahl races. Neural interfacing would be used to program the agents and the hyper advance implants come from the Takmahl, virtual reality perhaps to train them and cryotechnology to grown them to adult age so they are born as adults.
If Takmahl had just beyond T2 level cybernetics and bio-engineering skills 1000 years ago you would expect them to have hyper advance implants by todays ingame date.

Sleeper agents are born as adults, from cloning vats with complete memories of fabricated backgrounds and accompanying identification with the empire they are created for. These agents are bred with specific purposes programmed into their minds, and although it may take years for them to reach the stature or position they were intended for, they have yet to fail. Quoted form Grious a Jove.

Hyper-advanced implants, Grious said. Many are self-assembling, so they cannot be physically detected until the agent is activated. They are designed primarily to stimulate adrenaline production, deaden pain receptors, and accelerate healing processes, among other functions. But in the past they have also been used as transmitters.

The Enheduanni have mastery of quantum physics, particle science along with non-linear teleportation, they use this to transport matter instantaneously across space without the use of wormholes, stargates, or jumpdrives.

The Yan Jung and Talocan races where very advance in Spatial manipulation, Hypereuclidean Mathematics, advanced gravitronic technology and force field theories. Hypereuclidean Mathematics or Hyper euclidean Mathematics is sometimes used when talking about Hyper cubes and other space dimensions beyond 4. Add this with advanced gravitronic technology and force field theories and you have the basics for non-linear teleportation without the use of wormholes, stargates, or jumpdrives just like the Enheduanni use.

The Takmahl nation excelled in cybernetics and bio-engineering and guess what other area the Enheduanni also excel in? Their mastery of genetic engineering unlocked the precise workings of the human brain, Grious said.

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]]> Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:03:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7646243 <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by Pottsey]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344&page=1#3 Edited by: Pottsey on 25/03/2008 17:04:50
Could the Enheduanni with the mastery of genetic engineering from the Takmahl have created a bio weapon/plague on the Jove due to the war? The time frames could fit. What if the war started around 1000 years ago when the Enheduanni merged or soon after? Its perfectly possible that the Enheduanni formed 1000 ish years ago. 700 years ago a war sparked between them and the 2nd Jove Empire. 700 to 600 years ago the Enheduanni unleash the mysterious epidemic. 500 years ago the 2nd Jove Empire collapses due the disease hitting it peak. Perhaps sleeper agents where used to mess around with the Jove cloning vats? The Jove have admitted they cannot detect sleeper agents till its too late. We know the Jove shut down all gates into their space due to the Enheduanni 150 years ago. Perhaps this is their way of defending them selfs. It stops sleeper agents coming in though gates.

An interesting fact about the Jovian Disease death results within a few days or weeks at the most. How does it spread, what triggers it? The mysterious epidemic as it was called leads me to believe the Jove dont really know where it came from or what caused it. The one thing they know is its genetic in nature and only targets Jove. reproductive straightjacket, preventing them from increasing their numbers sufficiently for their current empire to flourish. Sounds like the perfect bio weapon to me. Targets only the race youre at war with. Randomly hits them with no apparent cause or reason of spreading, kills in days.
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]]> Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:03:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7646244 <![CDATA[Enheduanni, Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races same race? - by Pottsey]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=734344 Edited by: Pottsey on 25/03/2008 17:04:04
I must stress this is just my personally theory. Its not proven.
From what I can gather the 4 races vanished or relocated over 1000 years ago the same time the Enheduanni achieved enlightenment and perhaps came into being. There are no records of the Enheduanni going back before the time the 4 empires vanished. The Enheduanni talk about achieved enlightenment a Millennia ago. Which from what I can gather fits into the time frame of Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper races
The 4 races where all at T2 level over 1000 years ago and each race had a few areas of tech they were beyond T2. Something of interest I noticed each area the 4 races specialise in matchs the areas the Enheduanni are advance in.

My estimation is this all happened around about 22216. About 1150 years before todays date.

Some interesting Enheduanni quotes

Addictions, the voice hissed. You and the hopeless addictions of your species.
Viola tried to calm herself, accepting that the Order was fully in control. She could sense biting anger in the voice, and decided that it would be unwise to interrupt.

Addictions to power, to greed, to lust, to godsall drugs that falsely satisfy a need. Do you understand what that need is?

The need to be free of fear and uncertainty, child. The Minmatar Elders controlled their fear of the unknown by nurturing patience in their quest for understanding. That quest united an entire people! Their tribes were acting as one, even without the awareness of a single nation to define them. No other race was on a surer path towards achieving what we have than they. But the Amarrians

The Amarrians and their fear, the Amarrians and their addiction, the Amarrians and their ignorance! Eanna was all that remained of the example that humankind desperately needed to evolve, to rid itself of fear once and for all, and to embrace the enlightenment that has preserved us for millennia!

Too many times. Too many times have the addictions of man destroyed the progress of ages. History is about to fail us again, and deny us the right to walk among you once more.

Not since before the New Eden gate collapsed have we seen darker days than these! Will you find the strength to restore what was lost with Eanna?

Or will this be the legacy of humankind forever

Man destroyed the progress of ages reminds me of the pre Eve gate and state of civilisation. Before the Eve gate there where dark days as seen in the Eve intro movie.

Now the Amarrians dont want to unite the humans throughout the galaxy instead they want to conquer them all. I believe this is why the Enheduanni caused the Battle of VakAtioth between the Amarr and Jove. To knock back the Amaar and stop there expansion. Now the Minmatar Elders are the opposite of the Amarrians as they quest is to unite an entire people.

The Minmatar Elders controlled their fear of the unknown by nurturing patience in their quest for understanding. That quest united an entire people! Their tribes were acting as one, even without the awareness of a single nation to define them. No other race was on a surer path towards achieving what we have than they. But the Amarrians

This is a key quote to my theory. Not only do the Enheduanni talk as though they archived enlightenment, they talk about the Minmatar Elders uniting all the people on many worlds and then go on to say achieving what we have. Could this be as the Yan Jung, Takmahl, Talocan, Sleeper followed the same path and all united? They where enlightened as they realise they are all the same race and united under one name. The quest to united an entire people!

Grious thought for a moment before answering. Their interest lies in reshaping the course of mankind according to their own design.
Their design? Baer said, angered. Why not just conquer us outright by use of force?

Because they desire for you to embrace them on your own free will, Grious replied.

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