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I think that what LaVista seems to be doing is a very worthwhile pursuit. Spreading awareness and talking to people. While I haven't been personally active running around via the eve-o forums, I have done a lot of talking to people in various out of game communities and it's quite possible that this can be just as effective.

Different people like to obtain their information in different ways and not everyone is going to look to these forums for it. Some people may choose to get their Eve info from outside of here and energizing them about your campaign is your job as someone campaigning.
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A small thing. I just casted my first vote (3 accounts, so i suppose I have 3 votes).

I would like much a log in/log out for the voting page. Apparently it has picked my log in for the forum as a log in for the vote section. It feel a bit awkward not to confirm the character/account that is voting.

Edit:

Closing the browser every time and using the link to the vote page worked, but I must say being "auto-logged" as I was already logged to a very different section of the forum didn't seemed right.

I would greatly prefer a separate log in like when we start a bug report or a petition.

Sorry for the hijack but this seemed the best thread to put it in.

About the main topic.

EVE radio and similar broadcast could help contacting the general players, even if this kind of communication can penalize those that don't speak English perfectly (and those that have some difficult following English speakers).
]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 19:01:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7862456 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by CCP Wrangler]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=2#36

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

Could we get the candidate thread updated please?

I explained this in the update request thread, but I wanted to post it here as well. The candidate thread will be updated once per day on working days, meaning not on weekends or during (Icelandic) holidays. Smile

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Originally by: Nofonno

I second the CCP Xhagen's post about the voters apathy and available tools to inform the voters to the full extent.

What you speak of, LaVista, reminds me strongly of my country's past, when during times of 'socialism', everyone was hereded to the voting booths to vote for one and only Party.

People have the right not to vote. And if you hold that thought and roll it around - disinterested people shouldn't even vote. They are not informed, and most importantly, they're not engaged into the game. Do you really want the next important issue decided by someone who simply does not care?

No. As I explained, I find it that some people(At least those I talk to) wasn't aware of CSM, yet were quite interested in it.

THAT is what I wanna change. I don't wanna force people to vote.

]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 14:38:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7860976 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by Nofonno]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=2#34
What you speak of, LaVista, reminds me strongly of my country's past, when during times of 'socialism', everyone was hereded to the voting booths to vote for one and only Party.

People have the right not to vote. And if you hold that thought and roll it around - disinterested people shouldn't even vote. They are not informed, and most importantly, they're not engaged into the game. Do you really want the next important issue decided by someone who simply does not care?

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Originally by: CCP Xhagen

Sadly that is the best we can do.

* EVE-mail from an account easily identifiable as a CCP employee.

* "Local" channel MOTD (see it every time you login, every time you change system).

A couple of things you could do.
Not that it's easy, but you could.
Both of them less annoying and more effective compared to popups, for sure.
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AND another thing.

Single vote, single round election... with 60+ candidates for 9(+5) seats ?
OUCH.
At least give 3 votes (if not 9)... better still, an "Eurovision-like" system with "weighted votes".

OR at least specify that you will allow people to change their vote any number of times before the end... else people will wait until the last minute to vote (too many candidates) and miss the voting altogether.

Heck, even a "X votes counted" for each candidate AND the ability to change vote (cached in 1h intervals to prevent "vote buy validation") would be awesome during the whole course of the 2 weeks voting session.

1|2|3|4|5.]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 13:32:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7860582 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by Farmina]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=2#32 Edited by: Farmina on 05/05/2008 12:48:40
Dont get mad. Get even.
]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 12:47:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7860334 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by Hardin]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=2#31
If we make the whole CSM process as intrusive as RL politics we may very well get a similar result.

If CCP over promote the CSM there is a serious risk of a people being completely turned off.

Informed - fine

Lectured - not fine
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Originally by: CCP Xhagen

Edited by: CCP Xhagen on 05/05/2008 11:43:31

Originally by: Kelsin
The one thing more that I think would make an impact would be doing in-game popups. That, in theory, would get people talking in chat channels about the election.

Other than that it's like the old saying - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Yub, that is one method we can use as well. Not that I'm calling our players horses or the elections water.

I dont think popups would be a good idea, people hate them, remember last time we had that outcry over the hall of commons or whatever it was that was announced through a popup?

Could we get the candidate thread updated please?
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]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 12:10:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7860120 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by Virtuozzo]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#29
Broadcast to channels instead, that's perfectly possible.

CAOD FTW.
]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 12:04:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7860076 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by CCP Xhagen]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#28 Edited by: CCP Xhagen on 05/05/2008 11:43:31

Originally by: Kelsin
The one thing more that I think would make an impact would be doing in-game popups. That, in theory, would get people talking in chat channels about the election.

Other than that it's like the old saying - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Yub, that is one method we can use as well. Not that I'm calling our players horses or the elections water.
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal

CCP Xhagen, is that all?

No offense, but the majority of players wont bother to read the website, the newsletter and probably wont see any 'conventional' media coverage about this. They will see the MotD but whether or not they'll read it is a different matter. Perhaps some cluster-wide announcements (the popup variety) can be arranged?

Sadly that is the best we can do. It is the best we can do because we simply do not have other means to approach the player base. It is simply not realistic to go door-to-door or place a phone call to every single player. If we imagine the player being in place between two worlds, EVE and the real one, and we have messages coming in from both directions, shouldn't that be enough if the person wants to actually notice the message?

Originally by: Dierdra Vaal

In addition to the election concerns, I also worry about the tools given to the CSM once a council is elected. We have heard about specific forums where players can support a topic and (I think) even rate ideas, however so far we haven't seen any of this, even though I think it will be a vital tool for the CSM. Is the development of this system nearing completion? Will CCP provide a ventrilo or teamspeak server (which many candidates agree will be required for the CSM to function), as well as a private forum where the candidates can discuss and share information?

The forum section is nearing completion. It will not open though until the elections have finished and the first council has been announced. I'm working closely (read: I'm asking him twice a day how things are going to make sure he is doing his job Twisted Evil

) with the programmer and what he has done so far looks very good. In fact I believe he is ironing out the last wrinkles before this is submitted to QA.

The project is on schedule and everything looks good. The only thing for me to do is to make sure that all the preparations in Iceland are as ready as possible before the council comes.
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Other than that it's like the old saying - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 11:31:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859907 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by LaVista Vista]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#24

Originally by: Sapphrine

If the the CSM elections get more than a 15% turn out I will be applauding the candidates and CCP on getting people to turn out and vote because, put simply, the silent majority are that way because they don't care and their input is just that, silence.

Funny, I was actually discussing this very thing, with Jade yesterday.

I stated that we should be very lucky, if we get 15%(33,000 accounts). I think 10%(22,000 accounts) is more realistic.]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 11:30:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859905 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by Max Torps]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#25
And Sapphrine:

Originally by: Sapphrine

I'm not saying don't reach out and try and touch people, but don't get so hung up trying to that you lose sight of what the people saying something are trying to get across. Most of politics is a balancing game of factors and the same will be true of the role of CSM.

Thanks for the sage advice. Smile

]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 11:30:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859906 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by Sapphrine]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#23
The problem you guys are voicing is a very real one and one that i've felt in RL elections when i've stood. Anyone with a background in student politics for example could tell you the very real problems of getting people to care. Take a university campus as an example. 28,000 students in the university, two weeks of electioneering and how many votes elect the president of the student union? 3,000 votes. If the the CSM elections get more than a 15% turn out I will be applauding the candidates and CCP on getting people to turn out and vote because, put simply, the silent majority are that way because they don't care and their input is just that, silence.

I'm not saying don't reach out and try and touch people, but don't get so hung up trying to that you lose sight of what the people saying something are trying to get across. Most of politics is a balancing game of factors and the same will be true of the role of CSM.

Good luck to all candidates and I applaud the effort you've all put in so far and that you intend to put in if you get elected.

]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 11:26:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859904 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by LaVista Vista]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#22
But I do share the concern, that majority of eve doesn't read MOTD and newsletters, etc.

But I'm sure we can eventually sort it out.

]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 11:25:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859859 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by fuze]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#21
As to the CSM. E-o forums should be your major means of communication. But don't underestimate the amount of time it consumes to keep in touch with the players and CCP.]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 11:19:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859858 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by Pizi]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#20

Originally by: Dierdra Vaal

now im concerned about the low outcome of voters too , but what exactly should they do more ???

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]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 11:16:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859836 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by Dierdra Vaal]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#19 Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 05/05/2008 11:17:27
Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 05/05/2008 11:15:39
CCP Xhagen, is that all?

No offense, but the majority of players wont bother to read the website, the newsletter and probably wont see any 'conventional' media coverage about this. They will see the MotD but whether or not they'll read it is a different matter. Perhaps some cluster-wide announcements (the popup variety) can be arranged?

In addition to the election concerns, I also worry about the tools given to the CSM once a council is elected. We have heard about specific forums where players can support a topic and (I think) even rate ideas, however so far we haven't seen any of this, even though I think it will be a vital tool for the CSM. Is the development of this system nearing completion? Will CCP provide a ventrilo or teamspeak server (which many candidates agree will be required for the CSM to function), as well as a private forum where the candidates can discuss and share information?

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

This is a small discussion and a prayer for CCP, to help CSM. Till this point, CCP haven't really done too much to help CSM. And I'm afraid that it will have an affect on how CSM will run, the first time around.

I think it's important that we get in touch with the WHOLE of the community. And Agent Apple made a good post, about how we would manage to get in touch with the whole community. And it's a tricky thing.

CSM needs tools, so that they can get in touch with the people who doesn't read the forums and who doesn't read the in-game news. These are the people that will be overseen, and that SHOULDN'T HAPPEN!

I was researching into options for a dedicated CSM site, as a way for people to get in touch directly with CSM.

But really, it's just not viable, as it doesn't make a difference.

CCP, we have an issue here. We need your thoughts about how we go about this. I expect that you have already thought this trough.

So CCP Council, this time the ball is in your court, not the candidates court. How are YOU going to make the CSM able to touch the absolute whole community, and not just the vocal minority on the forums?

This concern is a well founded one and is in fact one of the biggest concern in all Real World elections, i.e. voters' apathy.
We have several methods to battle it, but before I list them I will have to stress one thing. CCP will only direct people to the candidate section or the forums, we will never direct them to the candidates themselves.

Our arsenal to combat voters' apathy include MOTD (the message you receive at client's login screen), news on the front site of the EVE site, conventional media coverage (to get the message in from the 'other side') and EVE newsletters sent to all registered subscribers.

Again, we fully aware of the problem and we will hopefully be able to raise interest in the project via the means mentioned.
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I sent it to his email address in his sig. This is where he invited candidates to contact him if they had any issues:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=761238&page=1#18

Hope this helps! Smile

EDIT: Also, why not edit your signature to point to your campaign site? That might help get some traffic your way too.

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To be consise, the webpage that I had linked in the list of candidates no longer works, and I created a separate website. Now, I have no other option, as many people won't get to see my campaign views.

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Regarding the login MOTD, I requested that to be added by emailing Wrangler directly. He did his CCP magic dance and it appeared. If people are ignoring the login motd I'm a little unsure of what else is possible as it's quite prominent.

I've emailed him again asking that all account holders are emailed. I do not know if that is something they will do though but I've asked the question.

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]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 08:41:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859373 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by Macmuelli]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#13 Edited by: Macmuelli on 05/05/2008 08:40:11

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
It'd be a huge help if we would get access to NPC corp channels.

I suppose that that's more my kind of target audience, but then again my campaign was largely aimed at individuals, groups of friends and small corporations from the start.

There u could read , whats there meaning. And asking what the would change.
It would be a step for sure.
U can do this also with an alternate char, as long your char slots arent used at all.

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I suppose that that's more my kind of target audience, but then again my campaign was largely aimed at individuals, groups of friends and small corporations from the start.
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]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 08:33:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859341 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by Macmuelli]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#11 Edited by: Macmuelli on 05/05/2008 08:25:38

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Macmuelli
stuff
???

No.

The people I talked to, were quite interested in CSM, when I informed them about what it was. Why shouldn't this be true for everybody else?

It's in everybodies interest to make eve a better game. That is eventually the job of CSM, and that MUST be the interest of players, else they wouldn't play.

I agree that the csm project is a good idea and a hugh step forward to have peoples, which try to speak for the community.( at least having a chance , founding solutions for problems, or making this game more interesing).
I agree, that it should be in everyones interest.

But what else then posting about it can ccp do?
If peoples dont want to read the news, they dont do it.
A lack of interest.
And tools to get in touch with them, if they dont want, arent the way. They can be nerfed, and realy p... .

Perhaps the way is spreading more out and informing more peoples about it, and not waitng CCP is doing the work for u as canditates.
If u wanne be the voice for the community, u should work hard for it and collect ideas/ interest/solutions/ problems peopls have with the game.Include founding a way into the silents ones.
U should not wait, CCP gives u tools to get in touch with the silent majority.

perhaps i m wrong?

breg mac

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Originally by: Macmuelli

Giving tools, to get in touch with the silent majority, should be really limited.
At least some peoples are not interest in it like in real life.

"Politics.... mmmhhh.... i m not interest in it.... Leave me alone.....I dont want to think about it .... so plz ... He had scream realy loud....and have a nice jacket... i vote for him."

A way to them, could be messages if u pass a concord Billbord on the gate.
Perhaps it increase there interest into it.
Perhaps not.

???

No.

The people I talked to, were quite interested in CSM, when I informed them about what it was. Why shouldn't this be true for everybody else?

It's in everybodies interest to make eve a better game. That is eventually the job of CSM, and that MUST be the interest of players, else they wouldn't play.

]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 07:55:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859234 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by Macmuelli]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#9 At least some peoples are not interest in it like in real life.

"Politics.... mmmhhh.... i m not interest in it.... Leave me alone.....I dont want to think about it .... so plz ... He had scream realy loud....and have a nice jacket... i vote for him."

A way to them, could be messages if u pass a concord Billbord on the gate.
Perhaps it increase there interest into it.
Perhaps not.

???

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]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 07:53:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859233 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by LaVista Vista]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#8

Originally by: Macmuelli

Edited by: Macmuelli on 05/05/2008 07:36:36
Edited by: Macmuelli on 05/05/2008 07:33:56

Getting in touch with the community is also a big part of work for the Csm canditates.
At least CCP have open this , to gives peoples the chance asking questions to u, to see your positions on hot "things".

U can hire peoples, which try to get in contact to the community for u.

Open up , ts meetings( special servers away from your alliance) where u can anwers questions.

Introduce local disscusions about important things u will go for.

Talk to eve radio or similar things , for public relations?

Its up to u.

A lot of ideas can grow up , if u start thinking about, how u can bring yourself into it.

Some "fantasy" s needed.

Smile

breg mac

No, you are wrong.

We have already held TS discussion(I have held 3), there is some buss on eve underground radio, supporters spreads the word ingame, etc.

So the message is already comming across. But you don't seem to realize, that there is groups of people, who aren't the audience of these things. It's the silent majority. We NEED to get in touch with these.

]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 07:40:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859194 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by Macmuelli]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#7 Edited by: Macmuelli on 05/05/2008 07:36:36
Edited by: Macmuelli on 05/05/2008 07:33:56

Getting in touch with the community is also a big part of work for the Csm canditates.
At least CCP have open this , to gives peoples the chance asking questions to u, to see your positions on hot "things".

U can hire peoples, which try to get in contact to the community for u.

Open up , ts meetings( special servers away from your alliance) where u can anwers questions.

Introduce local disscusions about important things u will go for.

Talk to eve radio or similar things , for public relations?

Its up to u.

A lot of ideas can grow up , if u start thinking about, how u can bring yourself into it.

Some "fantasy" s needed.

Smile

breg mac

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Originally by: Learyth

I just hope this whole CSM isn't a smoke screen. That the CSM oversight will actually have some meaning and effect. As compared to a PR tool. That is my biggest fear. Lavista if they people don't want to vote. Then they can't complain either. Everytime they log in. There is something about the CSM right there in the intro where they have to put in their password. So if they don't speak up. They have noone to blame.

I agree, the lack of information from CCP is really disturbing, and does hint to it just being a smokescreen.

But the fact is that a lot of people just DOESN'T know about CSM. Ankh can testiment to this, just as well as I. I have talked to so many people, who didn't have a clue what it was.

It might be ok for the election(Though in the ideal world, everybody would be aware that an election was taking place), but once the CSM starts rolling, it's CRITICAL that everybody get heard, and is actually aware that they can get heard.

Not only is it crucial for CCP(Could lose customers, if only the vocal minority's voice is heard) and for CSM not to being acused of being biased.

The situation is very real. But only CCP can EFFECTIVELY fix it.

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Originally by: steejans nix

Think the vast EVE community share the same fear, very well put

yes this fear has been expressed in various threads now.

Guys, stop bothering the candidates with it. Address CCP directly with this fear
the candidates are not able to influence that, we will never be ABOVE ccp.

IF our work makes sense, depends on things outside our hands.

It depends on the voters (if 200.000 voters go and vote, CCP would be alarmed
and probably listen much better to the council, than if only 100 voters vote their man)

It depends on CCP

It depends on nothing else.

Doubting the sense of this new institution in this forum is understandable,
but counter productive.

If you have hope left that this might be something positive, then send your corp mates here to read and speak up and give us candidates some tough questions.

If you think this is all crap - stay out of here.

I do understand that worry, i share that fear - but there is no point in confronting the candidates with that ever and ever again since there is nothing we can do about this fear.

Its entirely up to CCP to counter that.

recruiting -forum

]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 07:21:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859136 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by steejans nix]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#4 Edited by: steejans nix on 05/05/2008 06:53:49

Originally by: Learyth
I just hope this whole CSM isn't a smoke screen. That the CSM oversight will actually have some meaning and effect. As compared to a PR tool. That is my biggest fear. Lavista if they people don't want to vote. Then they can't complain either. Everytime they log in. There is something about the CSM right there in the intro where they have to put in their password. So if they don't speak up. They have noone to blame.

Think the vast EVE community share the same fear, very well put
]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 06:50:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7859055 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by zoolkhan]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#3
recruiting -forum

]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 06:13:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7858913 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by Learyth]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548&page=1#2 ]]> Mon, 5 May 2008 05:59:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/7858912 <![CDATA[Getting in touch with the community. We need your help, CCP. - by LaVista Vista]]> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=764548
I think it's important that we get in touch with the WHOLE of the community. And Agent Apple made a good post, about how we would manage to get in touch with the whole community. And it's a tricky thing.

CSM needs tools, so that they can get in touch with the people who doesn't read the forums and who doesn't read the in-game news. These are the people that will be overseen, and that SHOULDN'T HAPPEN!

I was researching into options for a dedicated CSM site, as a way for people to get in touch directly with CSM.

But really, it's just not viable, as it doesn't make a difference.

CCP, we have an issue here. We need your thoughts about how we go about this. I expect that you have already thought this trough.

So CCP Council, this time the ball is in your court, not the candidates court. How are YOU going to make the CSM able to touch the absolute whole community, and not just the vocal minority on the forums?

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