EVE-Search ForumWatch http://eve-search.com/ The alternative EVE-Online Forum browser. en-us Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000 EVE-Search RSS Module v1.0 chribba@evemail <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Blitz'Krieg]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#147 Originally by: Lenny Quickfinger
Originally by: Akelorian
Well, to be honest they learned this tactic from Foundation, the master of hot dropping. One time duck dodgers was engaged, he popped a cyno and in comes a carrier to ruin the one on one. True story I swear.

thats why they are known as Fun**ytion


Oh don't be with the false modesty.

After all, we learned the very tactic from -V- originally. They kept trying to drop carriers on FDN camps in 7Q, only they didn't have much success with it. Just like they occasionally tried login traps without much success. I guess a lot of -V- bitterness comes from the fact that their enemies always used -V tactics better than -V- did.

And we're known as Failnation, or as the VIP channel often used to say, Foundgaytion.

It hurts on the inside when our name is changed to something suggesting we fail, or one questioning our sexual orientations.

Luckily, we have a region to console us. One that used to belong to -V-, remember?


Now thats how you troll someone, with class :D
]]> Sun, 20 Jul 2008 03:37:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8335656 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Tress Macneille]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#146 ]]> Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:40:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8335490 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Ackaroth]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#145 Originally by: Wulfgard
So what do you want?

More whine and cheese? Well, we have loads more for ya Laughing


I see what you did there... a french joke eh?

LaughingLaughingLaughing
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]]> Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:46:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8335099 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Haargoth Agamar]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#143 Originally by: Simen123
hahaha, now then, thats a funny statement to come with Laughing

try telling urself that in your sleep if it makes you feel better


I am sure TCF cry themselves to sleep every night because the mighty CORPVS DELICTI are smacking them on caod.

]]> Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:54:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8334808 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Simen123]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#142

try telling urself that in your sleep if it makes you feel better
]]> Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:52:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8334807 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by LePrince]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#141



]]> Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:50:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8334550 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Haargoth Agamar]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#140 Originally by: Forum Guy
Originally by: Lenny Quickfinger

Luckily, we have a region to console us. One that used to belong to -V-, remember?


Epic burn.


-V- didn't want that crappy region anyway

]]> Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:34:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8334433 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Forum Guy]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#139 Originally by: Lenny Quickfinger

Luckily, we have a region to console us. One that used to belong to -V-, remember?


Epic burn.
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Don't make me write you a citation...]]> Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:05:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8334318 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Lenny Quickfinger]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#138 Originally by: Akelorian
Well, to be honest they learned this tactic from Foundation, the master of hot dropping. One time duck dodgers was engaged, he popped a cyno and in comes a carrier to ruin the one on one. True story I swear.

thats why they are known as Fun**ytion


Oh don't be with the false modesty.

After all, we learned the very tactic from -V- originally. They kept trying to drop carriers on FDN camps in 7Q, only they didn't have much success with it. Just like they occasionally tried login traps without much success. I guess a lot of -V- bitterness comes from the fact that their enemies always used -V tactics better than -V- did.

And we're known as Failnation, or as the VIP channel often used to say, Foundgaytion.

It hurts on the inside when our name is changed to something suggesting we fail, or one questioning our sexual orientations.

Luckily, we have a region to console us. One that used to belong to -V-, remember?
]]> Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:53:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8332094 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Akelorian]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#137
thats why they are known as Fungaytion
]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:19:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8325800 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Simen123]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#136

]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:47:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8325214 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by kworld]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#135 Edited by: kworld on 18/07/2008 13:24:31

Originally by: Wulfgard
Rolling Eyes
Are they the ones bullying you in your BPK stronghold? I think not...


Rofl we came to your area and have now claimed it if i remember correctly and there is nothing you can do about it and to your comment i think its the other way round you cant even enter bpk without losing those command ships / hacs so you have to start jumping moms/titans in just to kill a few bs just to win rofl this just shows how pro you guys really are. eg http://killboard.tauceti-federation.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=84870.

]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:20:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8325029 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Wulfgard]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#134

To Corpus and obscure alts: What's this babbling about RA and Goons? Are they the ones bullying you in your BPK stronghold? I think not...

So what do you want?

More whine and cheese? Well, we have loads more for ya Laughing
]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:56:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8324927 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by domadworkkid]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#133
Still half hiding behind RA, or is there something you have on your own in game?

The titan kill you got was luck, due to people knowing you fail so badly and being careless.More their faulght than your victory, but you know that.

Did you even take your own space?I know the north went bad for you when Razor, MM and co just pwned you out of even the npc stations.I just can't see you frogs doing anything on your own.
]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:39:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8324780 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Fantome]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#132

Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
Last TCF 's IRL meeting]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:33:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8324718 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Miklas Laces]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#131 Originally by: Fantome
Looking at your own stats on kbs you seems to be really more active as a forum warrior than against us in Curse.. and you're not someone we see in local in hale very often (in fact i've never seen you) : So i'm agree with you, Darth Maule, you will not leave Curse because you don't even live in Rolling Eyes.

Not true. He lost a noobship (and pod) in KLMT back in April Laughing]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:22:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8324657 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Cippalippus Primus]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#130 -clp
]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:11:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8324621 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Fantome]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#129 Originally by: Darth Maule
I see a few Goonies talking the smack that they are famous for but there is one thing to take into account.The fact remains that before they go thinking they are so Uber is that if RA had not taken them under their protective wing they would still be in empire.I also noted on the tcf KB they have a list of their current campaigns and one of them is called cleaning curse .All I can say to tcf is we are not the ones that will be leaving.
Darth Maule


I like when you say "WE".. Looking at your own stats on kbs you seems to be really more active as a forum warrior than against us in Curse.. and you're not someone we see in local in hale very often (in fact i've never seen you) : So i'm agree with you, Darth Maule, you will not leave Curse because you don't even live in Rolling Eyes.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
Last TCF 's IRL meeting]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:05:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8324620 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Doc Punkiller]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#128 Signature removed. Inappropriate. Navigator]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8324292 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by WeightedCompanionCube]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#126 Originally by: Darth Maule
All I can say to tcf is we are not the ones that will be leaving the station.
Darth Maule


You pressed the Post Reply button before finishing the sentence, fixed that for you.
]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:39:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8324119 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Axia Firehead]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#127 Originally by: Darth Maule
All I can say to tcf is we are not the ones that will be leaving.
Darth Maule


that why you left, tail between legs, the hale constellation ?
funny to see the difference between the dream.. what you are saying, and, the true.. what you are doing..




TCF Diplomat

Primary Target

]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:39:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8324120 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Darth Maule]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#125 Darth Maule
]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:18:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8324034 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Haargoth Agamar]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#124 Originally by: Bran Stormer
Originally by: Shadowsword

http://killboard.tauceti-federation.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=79402

oh god I can't stop laughing


Oh dear.

]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:52:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8322963 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by FubarSF]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#123
Kill Ratio: 0.72 : 1 Shocked



sig nerfed ;/]]> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:57:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8322043 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Stelteck]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#122 Edited by: Stelteck on 17/07/2008 17:11:19
Soon ambulation will allow awesome in-station battle !!!

We will be at the mercy of CorpVS then....

We will have to live in open space and in pos in order to avoid their righteous fury !!

]]> Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:11:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8319444 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by kworld]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=5#121 Edited by: kworld on 17/07/2008 15:41:31

Originally by: Doc Punkiller

It's possible to hit from INSIDE the station ?!!!!!?

howto please.


Rofl you tell us Doc your the expert...

Also your killboard seems to be all loss loss loss now since you have been forced to post your losses.
http://killboard.tauceti-federation.com/?a=home


]]> Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:28:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8319443 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Doc Punkiller]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#120 Originally by: Darth Maule
Edited by: Darth Maule on 17/07/2008 14:42:06
I'm looking forward to the time when they get that super cap out one time to many . That time is fast approaching. I also see one tfc individual saying something about running away . All I got to say is scince I have been engaging tcf , the one thing that they have proven to me time and time again is that they are masters of running away.Like that one I popped from almost 220 km cause he wasm't able to run far enough fast enough( he almost made it cause he only had another 30 km to go to get out of range).
Darth Maule


It's possible to hit from INSIDE the station ?!!!!!?

howto please.

Signature removed. Inappropriate. Navigator]]> Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:58:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8318543 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Darth Maule]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#119 Darth Maule
]]> Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:34:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8318392 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Axia Firehead]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#118 i think that i remember of a corp or alliance taht was bragging loud that they will live in LJ-.
we were so happy. finnaly, some peopple that will maybe figth a bit and figth back...
well.. sadly.. even having the old great VOTF don t mean that they figth.
it use only 15 of us to have them flying away.

i really found funny to heard so much guys bragging about our pvp skill when they need 10 ship to destroy a command ship, and still loose 3 ship to it..
they are soooooo uber....

to be serouis. if you cannot figth what we have, then go back to your sand box.
we arent even pulling 1% of our strength on you.. you are just a little mouse, beware to not meet the tiger....
TCF Diplomat

Primary Target

]]> Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:04:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8316376 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Kweel Nakashyn]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#117 Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 17/07/2008 02:50:09
Originally by: ZePequerio

Man I support you on this and I also add that if Schwarzenegger wouldn't have all those muscles I would beat him for sure...

no

muahaha
Fetchez la vache !


]]> Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:49:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8315477 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Wusti]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#116
Quote of the Day: If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.
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]]> Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:32:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8315216 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Lews Stark]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#115 Originally by: General Windypops


I notice they're still not posted? Pretty lame, TCF Sad.


Shadowsword posted his message at 11pm Paris time. Some of us sleep too (not me at 3am obv iously). Thus, please wait for the concerned person to wake up, be informed that he forgot to post some killmails and that it's really bad.


]]> Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:55:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8315054 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Psykick Lyrikah]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#114 Edited by: Psykick Lyrikah on 17/07/2008 00:52:05
Wrong account.

]]> Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:52:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8315053 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Faekurias]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#113 -----------------------------------


]]> Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:09:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8314815 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by General Windypops]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#112 Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Kirsten Fud
Since we are on the topic of posting losses, TCF, maybe you should remember to post those 3 Golems:
http://ineve.griefwatch.net/index.php?p=engagement&kill=1809

Thanks,

Your Friends at INEVE Cool



I spoke to a director of the corp involved, and it happens that those 4 ships were owned by a single player (multi-account ftw), who is brand new in TCF, and he doesn't know we take our KB reliability seriously.

Thanks for pointing this out to us, they should be posted soon.


I notice they're still not posted? Pretty lame, TCF Sad.

]]> Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:08:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8314814 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Elhina Novae]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#111
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Somebody set up us the bomb]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:35:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8314680 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Zathi Shaitan]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#110 Originally by: Stormdeath
Goonswarms can just stay out of it. Your time is coming! You guys have been so busy crapping all over your freinds that you have not realized that those pilots will bring their hatered of you and the sourthern allainces to new corps and allainces. Your heads will also be on the chooping block soon.


Your spelling is... i'm speechless.
Regards to your family, i bet they cry everyday.

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" Several unconventional alliances where made at that point " - Hey CCP, "where" != "were".. you too, Brutus? http://loseloose.com/]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:28:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8314338 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by ZePequerio]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#109 Originally by: Stormdeath
Alot of you have made good points let me address a few.

Ratting Ravens: Please you guys are so scared to run those things in any system but Lj that we no longer have to talk about them. Now you cowards have switched to ratting with carriers equiped with a cyno and a 30 man cap fleet ready to free them when we get a hold of them.

Winning at all cost: I completely agree with this being the way to fight in eve. If you have it use it and win. The problem in this case is that they are not winning. They wasted probly 30-40K iso moving those caps to hot drop on us and it did no good. They got 0 kills. They didn't win that battle they just ended it. We won the battle due to the fact that in the end they expended more isk to fight it that we did!

Corpvs Sucking as an allaince: This is really opinion. Not much proof either way. I will say that to be completly honest I think it is a unfair look at the situation the allaince faces in Curse. We are great pvpers. However we are not a major Capship allaince and currently the only thing that is keeping TCF in Curse space is their cap ship fleet. If they did not have that cap ship fleet we would be whiping them up one side of curse and down the other.

TCF being good pvpers: No they are not. Look at the loses on there Killboards or the kills on ours. The mark of a true pvpers is their ship setup. about 80% of the setups on TCF's losses are CRAP! They don't really beat us that often with regular ships. 90% of the time they drop a dozen caps on us and we leave.

My orginal post was not the clearest. There seems to be a little confusion as to what my intent was. So let me make it clear. Without a capship fllet TCF is not an allaince. They are completly encapable of fighting on a conventional level or any other true aspect of pvp outside of capships. In the end a once proud allaince has become a 3rd Grade bully that picks on the 1st Grades becuase every time he messes with the other 3rd graders he get his backside handed to him!


Man I support you on this and I also add that if Schwarzenegger wouldn't have all those muscles I would beat him for sure...
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:19:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8314309 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by kworld]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#108 Edited by: kworld on 16/07/2008 22:13:02
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Kirsten Fud
Since we are on the topic of posting losses, TCF, maybe you should remember to post those 3 Golems:
http://ineve.griefwatch.net/index.php?p=engagement&kill=1809

Thanks,

Your Friends at INEVE Cool



I spoke to a director of the corp involved, and it happens that those 4 ships were owned by a single player (multi-account ftw), who is brand new in TCF, and he doesn't know we take our KB reliability seriously.

Thanks for pointing this out to us, they should be posted soon.


Post this loss while you are at it please, thanks.

http://www.corpvsdelicti.110mb.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3640
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:12:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8314225 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by titanstory]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#107 Originally by: Cupdeez


TCF I dont like TCF
Originally by: Cupdeez
but some of them can PVP. They also have the power to drop in a lot of capitals. This is what TCF brought to a 4 cruiser ganging killing one of their carriers.. I thought it was over kill but they saved the carrier.

Another Fun Link

Another Fun linke

If you have it use it.


first i don't like you also Rolling Eyes.
second: i say to you what was the plan.

first we see your caps, so valrea got agro and log out, we had a cover on him. we waiting for your caps ship, moros and carriers warp to valrea, and engage him, valrea log in, and didn't had a ****ing disruptor so when we cyno up our caps, you can warp out. you understand now ? (my english suck i know..)
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:43:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8314027 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Porgy]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#106 Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Tbh TCF killboard hasn't been anywhere near accurate for years now.
For the losses that is.


show me a director that professes their kb is 100% accurate and I'll show you a director who is full of doo doo.
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]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:23:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8313932 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by General Windypops]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#105 Edited by: General Windypops on 16/07/2008 21:20:51
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Kirsten Fud
Since we are on the topic of posting losses, TCF, maybe you should remember to post those 3 Golems:
http://ineve.griefwatch.net/index.php?p=engagement&kill=1809

Thanks,

Your Friends at INEVE Cool



I spoke to a director of the corp involved, and it happens that those 4 ships were owned by a single player (multi-account ftw), who is brand new in TCF, and he doesn't know we take our KB reliability seriously.

Thanks for pointing this out to us, they should be posted soon.


And you BELIEVED the director? One Golem not posted could be forgetfulness. Two looks suspicious. Three suggests confirms deliberate deception.

I also find it hard to believe that any single player using multiple accounts is:

a) So inexperienced in Alliance warfare as to be unaware of killboards or
b) Genuinely a single player - why the hell would one guy run 3 golems on different accounts?!


]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:20:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8313931 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Ghaelsto Kakram]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#104 For the losses that is.
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:16:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8313865 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Shadowsword]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#103 Originally by: Kirsten Fud
Since we are on the topic of posting losses, TCF, maybe you should remember to post those 3 Golems:
http://ineve.griefwatch.net/index.php?p=engagement&kill=1809

Thanks,

Your Friends at INEVE Cool



I spoke to a director of the corp involved, and it happens that those 4 ships were owned by a single player (multi-account ftw), who is brand new in TCF, and he doesn't know we take our KB reliability seriously.

Thanks for pointing this out to us, they should be posted soon.
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]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:13:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8313864 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Cupdeez]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#102




]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:08:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8313863 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by General Windypops]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#101 I had a sneaky respect for TCF but if they're failing to post losses that large it kind of blows their credibility out of the water.




]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:43:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8313700 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Kirsten Fud]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#100 http://ineve.griefwatch.net/index.php?p=engagement&kill=1809

Thanks,

Your Friends at INEVE Cool
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:37:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8313699 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Bran Stormer]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#99 Originally by: Wesley Baird


Lee is 100% correct...you all can stop posting in this fail thread...



Don't take my posting away from me!
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:49:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8313362 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Cupdeez]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#98 Edited by: Cupdeez on 16/07/2008 19:23:44
VOTF - was an elite PVP corp but Xirt didn't want to adjust to the new game mechanics. This is why all the skilled PVP players left.

Corpvs Delicti - You should not even be an alliance. Posting stuff like this on the eve-forums is just lame. To say your good PVP players with an Eff. of 50% is just horrible.

Dont give any lame excuses because o3- lives 3 jumps from you guys and we are just a 20 man Corp with a 66% Eff. overall and a 53% Eff. Vs TCF.

Fun Link

We have since joined an alliance.


TCF I dont like TCF but some of them can PVP. They also have the power to drop in a lot of capitals. This is what TCF brought to a 4 cruiser ganging killing one of their carriers.. I thought it was over kill but they saved the carrier.

Another Fun Link

Another Fun linke

If you have it use it.




]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:21:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8313188 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Porgy]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#97 _______________________
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:19:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8313187 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Wesley Baird]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#96 Originally by: Lee ChanKa
i know some alliance who was droping titans on roaming gangs or MS 2 1 on 1..so i respect thet..if they hawe power 2 build supercaps and 2 use it on battlefield itc ok ..against 10 bs or 100 bs same thingy

i wuld do also the same probably(dont tell me if you hawe titan he will be on pos 1 year if 100 mann fleet dont come 2 your sistem, and you like waching it oh how is preaty and dont doing shit with it)

more and more supercaps in game so like it will be normal thingy in eve..itc alredy normal thingy just all ppl didnt adapt yet

2 cent
ewqi aka lee


Lee is 100% correct...you all can stop posting in this fail thread...


]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:10:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8313129 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Lews Stark]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#95 Originally by: Neco Stultus
Edited by: Neco Stultus on 16/07/2008 18:51:51
hmm..
I really find all this stuff about TCF / Section XIII superiority quite funny
since they go to so great lengths to pin out all the links of their easy victories with blobs or their glorious victories against mostly ratters / half fitted ships.

Sure they took out a rorqual and that's a great job done by them.. we fu..ed up and they punished us fair deal..
Quite frankly i think it's an honor that they really pay so much attention to their neighbours, dropping cap fleets on us if not daily then at least a few times weekly..

Covering up their own inefficiency in pvp behind claims, that they only drop caps because we are docking up when fighting... since they are doing it them selves just as frequent, to them it's a tactic.. so why aren't we allowed to do so aswell???. or i guess since we are the underdog we are not allowed to have tactics.
we are basicly fighting an uphill fight and have been doing so for several months and we are still doing it with the same pace as when we started.

TCF claim their killboard are uptoday since it's api'ed.. well ours are up to date aswell.. but sadly a killboard doesn't show pvp kills seperate from blobbing of ratters.. and off course Section 13 benifits alot from this, since we have alot of careless pilots. my self included.

Final note.. it's allways nice having a so formidable opponent next door.. they are allways there to fight.. and we try to the best of our abbilities to bring it to them.
but getting good stats against them on their killboard is obviously kindda hard since they allways blob us, and often fly faction ships.. and their loss of thouse only count as if it where a normal tech 1 boat.
i thought vindicators cost more then 35mil... but i guess that TCF calculates looses differently from the rest of eve.. since i believe looses in that fight was allso more then 75mil on our part.

and a little note to Section XIII... i still have alot of harbingers in stock.. bring it Wink


We don't claim a goddamn thing. We barely post on these forums at all except sometimes to answer some stupid stuff such as yours. I admit that we maybe should not.

Anyhow, stop whining and start fighting.
If you can't defend the place you're living in, then you just don't belong there. We may blob you, we may kick your asses every day and night, we may hot-drop an Avatar on one of your Ibis : we don't care and never will. That's how this game works ; if you can't deal with it, get the hell out of Curse.

Period.





]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:09:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8313128 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Viqtoria]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#94 ]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:54:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8312985 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Neco Stultus]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#93 Edited by: Neco Stultus on 16/07/2008 18:51:51
hmm..
I really find all this stuff about TCF / Section XIII superiority quite funny
since they go to so great lengths to pin out all the links of their easy victories with blobs or their glorious victories against mostly ratters / half fitted ships.

Sure they took out a rorqual and that's a great job done by them.. we fu..ed up and they punished us fair deal..
Quite frankly i think it's an honor that they really pay so much attention to their neighbours, dropping cap fleets on us if not daily then at least a few times weekly..

Covering up their own inefficiency in pvp behind claims, that they only drop caps because we are docking up when fighting... since they are doing it them selves just as frequent, to them it's a tactic.. so why aren't we allowed to do so aswell???. or i guess since we are the underdog we are not allowed to have tactics.
we are basicly fighting an uphill fight and have been doing so for several months and we are still doing it with the same pace as when we started.

TCF claim their killboard are uptoday since it's api'ed.. well ours are up to date aswell.. but sadly a killboard doesn't show pvp kills seperate from blobbing of ratters.. and off course Section 13 benifits alot from this, since we have alot of careless pilots. my self included.

Final note.. it's allways nice having a so formidable opponent next door.. they are allways there to fight.. and we try to the best of our abbilities to bring it to them.
but getting good stats against them on their killboard is obviously kindda hard since they allways blob us, and often fly faction ships.. and their loss of thouse only count as if it where a normal tech 1 boat.
i thought vindicators cost more then 35mil... but i guess that TCF calculates looses differently from the rest of eve.. since i believe looses in that fight was allso more then 75mil on our part.

and a little note to Section XIII... i still have alot of harbingers in stock.. bring it Wink
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:51:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8312984 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Adamantium Beams]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#92 ]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:27:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8312308 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Bran Stormer]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=4#91 Originally by: Shadowsword

http://killboard.tauceti-federation.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=79402

oh god I can't stop laughing
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:20:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8312307 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by titanstory]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#90 Edited by: titanstory on 16/07/2008 17:07:56
Well another corpus thread about us

So why we have cyno up in bpk ? just for 7 ship like you say: no

so why then?? because corpus like fight to dock range and when we have a carrier target at dock range, we try to bump him so we jump in a titan, a aeon and some dread, just for bump them...

that eve, stop crying always whenwe engage cap ships plz corpus, or fight like a man, not at dock range...

later my friends


Originally by: Dez Affinity
http://www.corpvsdelicti.110mb.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3629

Laughing

CORPVS>TCF


look at the 1Mn mwd II in a megathron Rolling Eyes
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:06:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8312164 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Dez Affinity]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#89
Laughing

CORPVS>TCF
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]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:51:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8312010 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Ishmael WH]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#88
I was honored when TCF let their Aeon mom loose against myself and an alliance mate cause their small roaming gang couldn't break my tank or my buddies. You use the materials needed to get the job done so well played to TCF.

Doesn't that mean I like getting my stuff blown up by them? Nah, it's part of the game I get that just gets me geared up for when it's our time.

Keep it coming guys, I'm having fun!!!
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]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:38:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8311932 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Ethan Tomlinson]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#87 Originally by: Wulfgard
Sad to see the name VOTF dragged into this pettyness, in memory of the ancient crew, you could and should change corp...

The VOTF I fought during my time in FA was of totally different caliber Confused


QFT

it is really sad to see the corps name dragged through the dirt... VOTF in they olden days was a fierce corp of skilled individuals. It is sad to see the old guard has passed the corp on to recruits with such poor PR and PVP skills...

CORPVS DELICTI i would not respond to anything else in this thread because you will only be failing harder.
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:21:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8311760 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Fantome]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#86 Edited by: Fantome on 16/07/2008 15:58:24
And to make one things more accurate Corpus never got hotdropped by TCF caps fleet but only by just a part of Section XIII's one has always been involved (they are established in Curse in same constellation than SXIII)and it can be checked easily.

This alliance can't fight a single corp's fleet and keep crying, that shows how great they are.

One more example if needed : when SXIII catched OP's rorqual in J4- at least 15 of their mates where 2 jumps aways in BPK docked, some with caps : they stayed docked and never tried to help him (except : one iskur Rolling Eyes).

Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
Last TCF 's IRL meeting]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:57:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8311642 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Maus Bailey]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#85 Quote:
Well IAC are..


prolly drunk.

Serious, 'x up your lager' is asked far more often than ship types.

On the brightside, we've got tonnes of empty beer bottles lying around that we can smash over fool's heads :)]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:52:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8311641 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Karylia]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#84 Originally by: Stormdeath
They didn't win that battle they just ended it.


A battle? What battle ?

Undock, Dock, Undock, Dock, Undock, Dock etc. Is not a battle. Come speak about pvp when you and your corpmates will be capable to engage somewhere else that near a station and we can discuss, but I doubt it. You are not pvpers, you are mission runners, it's useless to offer a beautiful fight to carebears.

See you at dock range]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8311147 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Ysalis]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#83 Originally by: Shadowsword

I bow to the superior wisdom and skill of the pilot who came up with fits like this:

http://killboard.tauceti-federation.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=79402

Notice anything missing?


But it's ok. After a look at your killboard, I understand why you're suc ha big fan of us. Losing that rorqual must have hurt.


Damn i wasn't on this one ... YARRRR!!


]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:59:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8311146 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by N'olive]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#82
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Olivier C., providing fleet support since 1902 - IAC's french wing, unique member - My Eve videos ]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:55:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8311064 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by kworld]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#81 Originally by: N'olive
I think this Stormdeath dude just performed the Internet equivalent of removing the safety pin of a grenade, swallowing it, and then starting to explain he's really smart ugh


Well IAC are no better prob worse actually this is what happens to an IAC interceptor gang when they face bs's.

http://www.corpvsdelicti.110mb.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2916
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:47:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8311063 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Shadowsword]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#80
- Unable to respect the terms their diplo agree on when it come to who farm where.

- Freeloaders. How many of them went south to fight Bob? Not a single one.

- Have much bigger egos than their pvp skills can back up.


The old VOTF was a rather good corp. But since their CEO (don't remember his name) resigned in disgust, VOTF sank to downright pathetic levels. The current one is a disgrace to the old VOTF.
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Olivier C., providing fleet support since 1902 - IAC's french wing, unique member - My Eve videos ]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:44:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8311061 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Karunel]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#78 Originally by: Fantome


LOL what are you smocking ??

Facts just facts :
Anyone is free to go on Section XIII KB (google : section xiii killboard) to check how YOUR WHOLE ALLIANCE is good against only ONE CORP of TCF as we are your opponent in hale.

PS : Our kb is appied so don't say we are not posting our loose.


So what you are saying is we should go look to a killboard that will show all your kills against their whole alliance while only showing your corp losses.

NeutralQuestion
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Originally by: elbenito
The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:41:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8311060 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Wulfgard]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#77
The VOTF I fought during my time in FA was of totally different caliber Confused
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:40:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8311059 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Cippalippus Primus]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#76
This is quite simply not true. We found it, in fact, very funny.
-clp
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:32:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310934 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Fantome]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#75 Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Pilot details - Stormdeath
Corporation:Vengeance of the FallenAlliance:CORPVS DELICTI
Kills:3Real kills:3
Losses:7Real losses:6
Damage dealt (ISK):135MDamage taken (ISK):2.07B
ISK efficiency:6.14%ISK ratio:0.07M : 1M
Kill / loss efficiency:33.33%Kill / loss ratio:0.5 : 1


look at this pr0 player


Yes we are really fearing him and all docking when he show in local.. Rolling Eyes

PS : he didn't want this rorqual anyway :)

Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
Last TCF 's IRL meeting]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:28:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310933 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by kworld]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#74 Edited by: kworld on 16/07/2008 14:28:19
Originally by: Doc Punkiller
Edited by: Doc Punkiller on 16/07/2008 14:25:01


1mn ab on a vexor, because speed kills

http://killboard.sectionxiii.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=31631


So?

It's easily done i must admit i have accidentally put the wrong type of mwd on before a fight, no one is perfect.
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:27:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310932 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Doc Punkiller]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#73 Edited by: Doc Punkiller on 16/07/2008 14:25:01
Originally by: J Jugger

So discuss about ... pvp ? :D

http://killboard.tauceti-federation.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=83751
Here is their official elite jammer fitting \o/



1mn ab on a vexor, because speed kills

http://killboard.sectionxiii.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=31631
Signature removed. Inappropriate. Navigator]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:24:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310854 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Andrei Vassaliev]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#72 Originally by: J Jugger
Edited by: J Jugger on 16/07/2008 14:17:41
So discuss about ... pvp ? :D

http://killboard.tauceti-federation.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=83751
Here is their official elite jammer fitting \o/



Pffff, he died only 'cause you blobbed him, crappy TCFs Rolling Eyes
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:23:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310853 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Andrei Vassaliev]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#71 Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Pilot details - Stormdeath
Corporation:Vengeance of the FallenAlliance:CORPVS DELICTI
Kills:3Real kills:3
Losses:7Real losses:6
Damage dealt (ISK):135MDamage taken (ISK):2.07B
ISK efficiency:6.14%ISK ratio:0.07M : 1M
Kill / loss efficiency:33.33%Kill / loss ratio:0.5 : 1


look at this pr0 player


Your opinion is worthless, said the nBeR-R0xXxoR-Stormdeath-0f-d00M.
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:20:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310852 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Mud Pandemonium]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#69 Originally by: Stormdeath
I thought I made it vlear that any opinion coming from a person with goon***** in there name was worthless!

Stop trying to twist my words so as to make your buddies look stronger than they are. Have you noticed that most of the posts that are trying to rip me down come from TCF and their so called freinds(this week).

[FYI Goon weekly changes who there freinds are and then sicks their buddy(Evil Thug/AAA) on them becuase if they don't keep AAA supplied with people to kill then AAA will come after goons. Soon Goons will be left with RA and themsleves. Would Who AAA will go after first?]

Remmeber that abunch of people banded together to defeat BOB and fight for something in the south. Now look at it! So sad! I would perfer BOB back. At least we always knew they were *****s instead of freinds who turned into greedy *****s. Wonder that.

I sorry if it seemed like I was bragging as that was not my intention.


You got it all wrong, Goons are the lesser of two evils.

Goons will treat you like dirt, slap you around with their other allies, publicly ridicule you all leading up to the inevitable backstab.

They just won't charge you billions of ISK per month and call it a privilege.

As for who AAA will go after first? Theres plenty of pew pew left for them without even having to think about attacking Goons or RA. Why would they go to Red Lobster when they could just order off the 99 cent menu at McDonalds?

I think before my days are done, I want to be a fisherman.]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:17:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310850 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by J Jugger]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#70 Edited by: J Jugger on 16/07/2008 14:25:43
So let's discuss about ... pvp ? :D

http://killboard.tauceti-federation.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=83751
Here is their official elite jammer fitting \o/


]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:17:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310851 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Cippalippus Primus]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#68 Corporation:Vengeance of the FallenAlliance:CORPVS DELICTI
Kills:3Real kills:3
Losses:7Real losses:6
Damage dealt (ISK):135MDamage taken (ISK):2.07B
ISK efficiency:6.14%ISK ratio:0.07M : 1M
Kill / loss efficiency:33.33%Kill / loss ratio:0.5 : 1


look at this pr0 player
-clp
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:12:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310787 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Stormdeath]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#67
Stop trying to twist my words so as to make your buddies look stronger than they are. Have you noticed that most of the posts that are trying to rip me down come from TCF and their so called freinds(this week).

[FYI Goon weekly changes who there freinds are and then sicks their buddy(Evil Thug/AAA) on them becuase if they don't keep AAA supplied with people to kill then AAA will come after goons. Soon Goons will be left with RA and themsleves. Would Who AAA will go after first?]

Remmeber that abunch of people banded together to defeat BOB and fight for something in the south. Now look at it! So sad! I would perfer BOB back. At least we always knew they were *****s instead of freinds who turned into greedy *****s. Wonder that.

I sorry if it seemed like I was bragging as that was not my intention.
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:05:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310786 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Shadowsword]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#66 Originally by: Stormdeath

However we are not a major Capship allaince and currently the only thing that is keeping TCF in Curse space is their cap ship fleet. If they did not have that cap ship fleet we would be whiping them up one side of curse and down the other.


Laughing


Quote:

TCF being good pvpers: No they are not. Look at the loses on there Killboards or the kills on ours. The mark of a true pvpers is their ship setup. about 80% of the setups on TCF's losses are CRAP! They don't really beat us that often with regular ships. 90% of the time they drop a dozen caps on us and we leave.


I bow to the superior wisdom and skill of the pilot who came up with fits like this:

http://killboard.tauceti-federation.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=79402

Notice anything missing?


But it's ok. After a look at your killboard, I understand why you're suc ha big fan of us. Losing that rorqual must have hurt.
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]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:51:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310677 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Lumen Atra]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#65 Originally by: Stormdeath
Alot of you have made good points let me address a few.

Ratting Ravens: Please you guys are so scared to run those things in any system but Lj that we no longer have to talk about them. Now you cowards have switched to ratting with carriers equiped with a cyno and a 30 man cap fleet ready to free them when we get a hold of them.

Quote:

TCF being good pvpers: No they are not. Look at the loses on there Killboards or the kills on ours. The mark of a true pvpers is their ship setup. about 80% of the setups on TCF's losses are CRAP! They don't really beat us that often with regular ships. 90% of the time they drop a dozen caps on us and we leave.

Ratting ships aren't pvp ships! Breaking news at 11!

Quote:

Winning at all cost: I completely agree with this being the way to fight in eve. If you have it use it and win. The problem in this case is that they are not winning. They wasted probly 30-40K iso moving those caps to hot drop on us and it did no good. They got 0 kills. They didn't win that battle they just ended it. We won the battle due to the fact that in the end they expended more isk to fight it that we did!

This is what we call a moving goal post. You are an idiot if you think winning has anything to do with isk expended. By that logic, almost any fleet or gang that is bigger than another automatically loses.

Quote:

Corpvs Sucking as an allaince: This is really opinion. Not much proof either way. I will say that to be completly honest I think it is a unfair look at the situation the allaince faces in Curse. We are great pvpers. However we are not a major Capship allaince and currently the only thing that is keeping TCF in Curse space is their cap ship fleet. If they did not have that cap ship fleet we would be whiping them up one side of curse and down the other.

"If only that other team would do this and this, then we would win, therefore we are not shit!" Sorry bud, it doesn't work that way. You suck giant, hairy, sweaty balls.

Quote:

My orginal post was not the clearest. There seems to be a little confusion as to what my intent was. So let me make it clear. Without a capship fllet TCF is not an allaince. They are completly encapable of fighting on a conventional level or any other true aspect of pvp outside of capships. In the end a once proud allaince has become a 3rd Grade bully that picks on the 1st Grades becuase every time he messes with the other 3rd graders he get his backside handed to him!

This doesn't make any sense at all. First you say you ARE equal to TFC - in fact, you claim to be better! Now you claim they aren't as good as their "equals" so have to pick on lesser people - you? This ignores the fact that TFC engages far better alliances than whatever crap you are. You are pretty deluded to think you are even close to equal to TFC in any way, shape, or form. I want some of your meds though - sounds like a pretty good trip.
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:46:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310676 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Andrei Vassaliev]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#64 Originally by: Stormdeath
Alot of you have made good points let me address a few.

Ratting Ravens: Please you guys are so scared to run those things in any system but Lj that we no longer have to talk about them. Now you cowards have switched to ratting with carriers equiped with a cyno and a 30 man cap fleet ready to free them when we get a hold of them.

Winning at all cost: I completely agree with this being the way to fight in eve. If you have it use it and win. The problem in this case is that they are not winning. They wasted probly 30-40K iso moving those caps to hot drop on us and it did no good. They got 0 kills. They didn't win that battle they just ended it. We won the battle due to the fact that in the end they expended more isk to fight it that we did!

Corpvs Sucking as an allaince: This is really opinion. Not much proof either way. I will say that to be completly honest I think it is a unfair look at the situation the allaince faces in Curse. We are great pvpers. However we are not a major Capship allaince and currently the only thing that is keeping TCF in Curse space is their cap ship fleet. If they did not have that cap ship fleet we would be whiping them up one side of curse and down the other.

TCF being good pvpers: No they are not. Look at the loses on there Killboards or the kills on ours. The mark of a true pvpers is their ship setup. about 80% of the setups on TCF's losses are CRAP! They don't really beat us that often with regular ships. 90% of the time they drop a dozen caps on us and we leave.

My orginal post was not the clearest. There seems to be a little confusion as to what my intent was. So let me make it clear. Without a capship fllet TCF is not an allaince. They are completly encapable of fighting on a conventional level or any other true aspect of pvp outside of capships. In the end a once proud allaince has become a 3rd Grade bully that picks on the 1st Grades becuase every time he messes with the other 3rd graders he get his backside handed to him!


So? If TCF is so crappy, and if you are so great PvPers, why do you spend so much time to justify yourself?
You sounds like :frustration: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
Advice: relax, go doing a pooh Rolling Eyes

]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:35:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310507 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Fantome]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#63 Originally by: Stormdeath
Alot of you have made good points let me address a few.

Ratting Ravens: Please you guys are so scared to run those things in any system but Lj that we no longer have to talk about them. Now you cowards have switched to ratting with carriers equiped with a cyno and a 30 man cap fleet ready to free them when we get a hold of them.

Winning at all cost: I completely agree with this being the way to fight in eve. If you have it use it and win. The problem in this case is that they are not winning. They wasted probly 30-40K iso moving those caps to hot drop on us and it did no good. They got 0 kills. They didn't win that battle they just ended it. We won the battle due to the fact that in the end they expended more isk to fight it that we did!

Corpvs Sucking as an allaince: This is really opinion. Not much proof either way. I will say that to be completly honest I think it is a unfair look at the situation the allaince faces in Curse. We are great pvpers. However we are not a major Capship allaince and currently the only thing that is keeping TCF in Curse space is their cap ship fleet. If they did not have that cap ship fleet we would be whiping them up one side of curse and down the other.

TCF being good pvpers: No they are not. Look at the loses on there Killboards or the kills on ours. The mark of a true pvpers is their ship setup. about 80% of the setups on TCF's losses are CRAP! They don't really beat us that often with regular ships. 90% of the time they drop a dozen caps on us and we leave.

My orginal post was not the clearest. There seems to be a little confusion as to what my intent was. So let me make it clear. Without a capship fllet TCF is not an allaince. They are completly encapable of fighting on a conventional level or any other true aspect of pvp outside of capships. In the end a once proud allaince has become a 3rd Grade bully that picks on the 1st Grades becuase every time he messes with the other 3rd graders he get his backside handed to him!




LOL what are you smocking ??

Facts just facts :
Anyone is free to go on Section XIII KB (google : section xiii killboard) to check how YOUR WHOLE ALLIANCE is good against only ONE CORP of TCF as we are your opponent in hale.

PS : Our kb is appied so don't say we are not posting our loose.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
Last TCF 's IRL meeting]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:34:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310506 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Baline Aegis]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#62 Edited by: Baline Aegis on 16/07/2008 13:22:43
Originally by: Stormdeath
Without a capship fllet TCF is not an allaince.

Maybe, but we DO have a cap fleet. Deal with it. Some alliances put their SPs on flying nano's, some in capital. Check which ones own territories.

Originally by: Stormdeath
They are completly encapable of fighting on a conventional level or any other true aspect of pvp outside of capships.

TCF has allways had dozen of carriers, titans, dreads, and will allways have Rolling Eyes
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:21:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310446 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Cippalippus Primus]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=3#61 Originally by: Stormdeath
Alot of you have made good points let me address a few.

Ratting Ravens: Please you guys are so scared to run those things in any system but Lj that we no longer have to talk about them. Now you cowards have switched to ratting with carriers equiped with a cyno and a 30 man cap fleet ready to free them when we get a hold of them.

Winning at all cost: I completely agree with this being the way to fight in eve. If you have it use it and win. The problem in this case is that they are not winning. They wasted probly 30-40K iso moving those caps to hot drop on us and it did no good. They got 0 kills. They didn't win that battle they just ended it. We won the battle due to the fact that in the end they expended more isk to fight it that we did!

Corpvs Sucking as an allaince: This is really opinion. Not much proof either way. I will say that to be completly honest I think it is a unfair look at the situation the allaince faces in Curse. We are great pvpers. However we are not a major Capship allaince and currently the only thing that is keeping TCF in Curse space is their cap ship fleet. If they did not have that cap ship fleet we would be whiping them up one side of curse and down the other.

TCF being good pvpers: No they are not. Look at the loses on there Killboards or the kills on ours. The mark of a true pvpers is their ship setup. about 80% of the setups on TCF's losses are CRAP! They don't really beat us that often with regular ships. 90% of the time they drop a dozen caps on us and we leave.

My orginal post was not the clearest. There seems to be a little confusion as to what my intent was. So let me make it clear. Without a capship fllet TCF is not an allaince. They are completly encapable of fighting on a conventional level or any other true aspect of pvp outside of capships. In the end a once proud allaince has become a 3rd Grade bully that picks on the 1st Grades becuase every time he messes with the other 3rd graders he get his backside handed to him!


More like vengeance of the failed.
-clp
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:19:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310445 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Doc Punkiller]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#60 Originally by: Stormdeath
Alot of you have made good points let me address a few.

Ratting Ravens: Please you guys are so scared to run those things in any system but Lj that we no longer have to talk about them. Now you cowards have switched to ratting with carriers equiped with a cyno and a 30 man cap fleet ready to free them when we get a hold of them.

Winning at all cost: I completely agree with this being the way to fight in eve. If you have it use it and win. The problem in this case is that they are not winning. They wasted probly 30-40K iso moving those caps to hot drop on us and it did no good. They got 0 kills. They didn't win that battle they just ended it. We won the battle due to the fact that in the end they expended more isk to fight it that we did!

Corpvs Sucking as an allaince: This is really opinion. Not much proof either way. I will say that to be completly honest I think it is a unfair look at the situation the allaince faces in Curse. We are great pvpers. However we are not a major Capship allaince and currently the only thing that is keeping TCF in Curse space is their cap ship fleet. If they did not have that cap ship fleet we would be whiping them up one side of curse and down the other.

TCF being good pvpers: No they are not. Look at the loses on there Killboards or the kills on ours. The mark of a true pvpers is their ship setup. about 80% of the setups on TCF's losses are CRAP! They don't really beat us that often with regular ships. 90% of the time they drop a dozen caps on us and we leave.

My orginal post was not the clearest. There seems to be a little confusion as to what my intent was. So let me make it clear. Without a capship fllet TCF is not an allaince. They are completly encapable of fighting on a conventional level or any other true aspect of pvp outside of capships. In the end a once proud allaince has become a 3rd Grade bully that picks on the 1st Grades becuase every time he messes with the other 3rd graders he get his backside handed to him!


backup post
Signature removed. Inappropriate. Navigator]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:15:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310360 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by The Blinded]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#59 Originally by: Stormdeath
Alot of you have made good points let me address a few.

Ratting Ravens: Please you guys are so scared to run those things in any system but Lj that we no longer have to talk about them. Now you cowards have switched to ratting with carriers equiped with a cyno and a 30 man cap fleet ready to free them when we get a hold of them.

Winning at all cost: I completely agree with this being the way to fight in eve. If you have it use it and win. The problem in this case is that they are not winning. They wasted probly 30-40K iso moving those caps to hot drop on us and it did no good. They got 0 kills. They didn't win that battle they just ended it. We won the battle due to the fact that in the end they expended more isk to fight it that we did!

Corpvs Sucking as an allaince: This is really opinion. Not much proof either way. I will say that to be completly honest I think it is a unfair look at the situation the allaince faces in Curse. We are great pvpers. However we are not a major Capship allaince and currently the only thing that is keeping TCF in Curse space is their cap ship fleet. If they did not have that cap ship fleet we would be whiping them up one side of curse and down the other.

TCF being good pvpers: No they are not. Look at the loses on there Killboards or the kills on ours. The mark of a true pvpers is their ship setup. about 80% of the setups on TCF's losses are CRAP! They don't really beat us that often with regular ships. 90% of the time they drop a dozen caps on us and we leave.

My orginal post was not the clearest. There seems to be a little confusion as to what my intent was. So let me make it clear. Without a capship fllet TCF is not an allaince. They are completly encapable of fighting on a conventional level or any other true aspect of pvp outside of capships. In the end a once proud allaince has become a 3rd Grade bully that picks on the 1st Grades becuase every time he messes with the other 3rd graders he get his backside handed to him!


Ok, here goes. I dont know you or your alliance but what you just wrote made me *facepalm*. If you would be a good pvper, you would have a reputation of a good pvper. That means, you wouldnt have to come here and tell us all "look, we rock, liek totally - and guess what? TCF sucks! Yes indeeed, they do suck and we rock, just so its clear".

You can see how perfectly it works. Now I know you are utter shit in pvp because of this pointless bragging and it doesnt tell me anything about TCF pvp capabilities, cause all your claims got 0 credibility.
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:13:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310359 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by rValdez5987]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#58 Quote:
Zurrar you used to be a terrible player and a terrible poster in Navy Field and you're still a terrible player and a terrible poster in EVE online.


Confirming that he has confirmed that zurrar used to be a terrible player and terrible poster in navy field and is still a terrible player and a terrible poster in this terrible game of eve online with terrible lag and well... terrible terrible terrible........Desu.
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:10:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310358 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by rValdez5987]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#57 Quote:
Goonswarms can just stay out of it. Your time is coming! You guys have been so busy crapping all over your freinds that you have not realized that those pilots will bring their hatered of you and the sourthern allainces to new corps and allainces. Your heads will also be on the chooping block soon.


Goons are the new BoB c/d? (no, minus the skilled pilots silly!)
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:09:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310357 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Stormdeath]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#56
Ratting Ravens: Please you guys are so scared to run those things in any system but Lj that we no longer have to talk about them. Now you cowards have switched to ratting with carriers equiped with a cyno and a 30 man cap fleet ready to free them when we get a hold of them.

Winning at all cost: I completely agree with this being the way to fight in eve. If you have it use it and win. The problem in this case is that they are not winning. They wasted probly 30-40K iso moving those caps to hot drop on us and it did no good. They got 0 kills. They didn't win that battle they just ended it. We won the battle due to the fact that in the end they expended more isk to fight it that we did!

Corpvs Sucking as an allaince: This is really opinion. Not much proof either way. I will say that to be completly honest I think it is a unfair look at the situation the allaince faces in Curse. We are great pvpers. However we are not a major Capship allaince and currently the only thing that is keeping TCF in Curse space is their cap ship fleet. If they did not have that cap ship fleet we would be whiping them up one side of curse and down the other.

TCF being good pvpers: No they are not. Look at the loses on there Killboards or the kills on ours. The mark of a true pvpers is their ship setup. about 80% of the setups on TCF's losses are CRAP! They don't really beat us that often with regular ships. 90% of the time they drop a dozen caps on us and we leave.

My orginal post was not the clearest. There seems to be a little confusion as to what my intent was. So let me make it clear. Without a capship fllet TCF is not an allaince. They are completly encapable of fighting on a conventional level or any other true aspect of pvp outside of capships. In the end a once proud allaince has become a 3rd Grade bully that picks on the 1st Grades becuase every time he messes with the other 3rd graders he get his backside handed to him!
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310276 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Dirk Magnum]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#55 ]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:45:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310275 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Bran Stormer]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#54 ]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:44:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8310274 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Fitz Chivalry]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#53 ]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:12:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8309971 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Zurrar]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#52 Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Zurrar you used to be a terrible player and a terrible poster in Navy Field and you're still a terrible player and a terrible poster in EVE online.


same name different person moron.
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:08:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8309970 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Cptn Obvious]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#51 Originally by: Stormdeath

I think it is time TCF went back to basics and learn how to pvp like real men instead of cowards needing Supercaps!


oh wow so much irony, telling them to learn to pvp, when u actually run from them all the time oh god... why dont u cry some more? you are nothing for TCF, just a bunch of whiny, meaningless, noobs.
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:55:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8309829 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Prof Patpending]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#50 I want a Hot Drop baby tonight,
I want a Hot Drop baby this eeeevveeenniiinnng,
Gonna get a Hot Drop gonna get one tonightttttttt
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:51:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8309828 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Doc Punkiller]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#48 Originally by: Damares
fair fights are for loosers, why fight fair and loose ships when you can vapourise their gang with the press of a button, it not cowardice, its winning.


"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!" ?
Signature removed. Inappropriate. Navigator]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:48:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8309826 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Caliburn]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#49 Edited by: Caliburn on 16/07/2008 11:51:45
Originally by: Damares
fair fights are for loosers, why fight fair and loose ships when you can vapourise their gang with the press of a button, it not cowardice, its winning.


Yep exactly,if you don't use what you can you're a fool.Bet you're not flying a frig around instead of using a pwnmobile Rolling Eyes
]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:48:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8309827 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Damares]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#47 ]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:42:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8309766 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by N'olive]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#46 Edited by: N''olive on 16/07/2008 11:42:20

You got it all wrong, this overview is perfect to Undock -> Click "Scan" -> Redock.
That's the OV of someone that doesn't fell too safe in Curse I think.
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Olivier C., providing fleet support since 1902 - IAC's french wing, unique member - My Eve videos ]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:35:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8309765 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Lews Stark]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#45
Your overview is pure crap by the way.



]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:17:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8309574 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Doc Punkiller]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#44 Signature removed. Inappropriate. Navigator]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:13:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8309573 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by Shadowsword]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#43 Originally by: Baline Aegis
Originally by: Lasakywa
Dude...You don't talk about our MACRO RAVENS anymore :'( ?


Skillpoints goes up, so now it's MACRO HOTDROPS. But sometimes it goes wrong, like in Esoteria. Lack of programming abilities, maybe. We'll fix it !


I heard the bots in Lineage 4 are now so advanced that they beat you in pvp, to force you to quit their farming area. We should steal their code !
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]]> Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8309572 <![CDATA[How to be Tough Like TCF - by ZePequerio]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=823962&page=2#42 Originally by: Stormdeath
Today TCF lost alot of Capital Ships to Stain Empire and Coven. After receiving a total pounding TCF decieded that the way to prove how tough they are it was decided to drop a Titan, 1 Mothership, a few carriers and like 4 dreads on a fleet of 7 guys killing one of there Battleships in Curse.

What has become of TCF that they know feel the need to drop Titans on people becuase they can't manage to support one Battleship. I am really trying hard to understand what the point of an allaicne is if they are unable to protect themself from 7 guys in T1 ships without the help of Supercaps and dreads!

I think it is time TCF went back to basics and learn how to pvp like real men instead of cowards needing Supercaps!

Here some pictures to help you get a visual to the level of their cowardice.

http://s324.photobucket.com/albums/k348/duantless/?action=view¤t=TCF2.jpg

http://s324.photobucket.com/albums/k348/duantless/?action=view¤t=TCF1.jpg

http://s324.photobucket.com/albums/k348/duantless/?action=view¤t=TCF3.jpg