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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.04.24 08:22:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Don't know how many times it has been said that Incursions aren't flooding the market with isk, despite the many lies said on that subject. GǪexcept that they're doing exactly that, and that no-one with any sense or insight into the matter has said otherwise.
Just because it's not the largest faucet doesn't mean it's not flooding the market. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2012.04.24 08:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Don't know how many times it has been said that Incursions aren't flooding the market with isk, despite the many lies said on that subject. GǪexcept that they're doing exactly that, and that no-one with any sense or insight into the matter has said otherwise. Just because it's not the largest faucet doesn't mean it's not flooding the market.
Not flooding the market. CCP has pointed out how little they generate while nullsec posted lies about overwhelming incursion income taking over the game.
Nope it's about punishing those who dare not go into the endless moon goo CTAs or sit in afk cloak infested systems. Incursions are providing an alternative until CCP can get that festering pile of dog crap fixed and that makes it the enemy.
So instead of this crap calling itself fixes for incursions (Which do nothing that needs to be done for them as usual) how about CCP takes some time to fix the real issues before there really is an OTEC effort that isn't price trolling. |
Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2012.04.24 08:48:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Don't know how many times it has been said that Incursions aren't flooding the market with isk, despite the many lies said on that subject. And while moon goo does not create isk. It focuses it in the hands of those who use it to keep their big alliances big and secure.
At once it needs to be changed to drops from NPC rats across all of nullsec.
best suggestion ever. sort of like drone region alloys. any alliance of worth use moon goo isk for ship reimbursements, you should join a better alliance.
Drone region alloys are a COMPLETELY different matter. NPC drops competing with the trawler once implemented would be just as bad as the alloys are today. Instead it would wreck a huge source of passive focused and entrenched income. Forcing alliances that want it to work with the players and view them as something more than CTA member #2343 on #98th CTA.
You arent going to put a bunch of miners out of work with this band-aid.
Lapine Davion wrote:I'm pretty sure they were showing off stuff that would be done this year. Anyway, it wouldn't make sense from any kind of standpoint except for a bandaid. Let it be fixed the proper way. Everyone has been ****** so many times by CCP rushing a fix out the door.
Also, I'm pretty sure that this cartel move is part of a plan to push the ring mining idea into overdrive for CCP.
Edit edit: While also making a nice profit on the side.
It would be hard to F things up anymore than moon goo is today. And it is pretty much universal that people rat. It could cause a pretty sudden drop in prices, However that is easily managed by adapting the loot tables some over the course of this band-aid. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.24 09:32:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Don't know how many times it has been said that Incursions aren't flooding the market with isk, despite the many lies said on that subject. And while moon goo does not create isk. It focuses it in the hands of those who use it to keep their big alliances big and secure.
At once it needs to be changed to drops from NPC rats across all of nullsec.
best suggestion ever. sort of like drone region alloys. any alliance of worth use moon goo isk for ship reimbursements, you should join a better alliance. Drone region alloys are a COMPLETELY different matter. NPC drops competing with the trawler once implemented would be just as bad as the alloys are today. Instead it would wreck a huge source of passive focused and entrenched income. Forcing alliances that want it to work with the players and view them as something more than CTA member #2343 on #98th CTA. You arent going to put a bunch of miners out of work with this band-aid. Lapine Davion wrote:I'm pretty sure they were showing off stuff that would be done this year. Anyway, it wouldn't make sense from any kind of standpoint except for a bandaid. Let it be fixed the proper way. Everyone has been ****** so many times by CCP rushing a fix out the door.
Also, I'm pretty sure that this cartel move is part of a plan to push the ring mining idea into overdrive for CCP.
Edit edit: While also making a nice profit on the side. It would be hard to F things up anymore than moon goo is today. And it is pretty much universal that people rat. It could cause a pretty sudden drop in prices, However that is easily managed by adapting the loot tables some over the course of this band-aid.
yes let's have the prize and spoils of sov warfare determined by the most diligent ratters, now if they would only get rid of afk cloakers. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.24 19:48:00 -
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Well way things are going the only materials untouched will be nano ribbons with the Escalation of inflation which is causing a Market Inferno... http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/24/leak-goonswarm-federation-ceo-update-goonswarm-unbound/ To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:09:00 -
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What part hasn't ppl understood that all this inflation and most of goonswarm action have the sole purpose to inflate everything in eve so that ppl swimming in loads of isk are forced to spend it and remove billions from the game?
I don't doubt this is somewhat conluded with CCP itself (or certain CCP members), in a few months when plenty of ISK leaves the game things will get back to normal... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:36:00 -
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Alexandra Alt wrote:What part hasn't ppl understood that all this inflation and most of goonswarm action have the sole purpose to inflate everything in eve so that ppl swimming in loads of isk are forced to spend it and remove billions from the game?
I don't doubt this is somewhat conluded with CCP itself (or certain CCP members), in a few months when plenty of ISK leaves the game things will get back to normal... So you were implying that buying tech removes isk? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:44:00 -
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It's not only tech ... learn to read between lines....
That's why you are good at what you do, dumb as hell, no questions asked .... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:50:00 -
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My my. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:51:00 -
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So CFC and friends are gonna control tech production... maybe we should just use tech 1 stuff then? |
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Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:54:00 -
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still buttburt. huh??? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:55:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Not flooding the market. CCP has pointed out how little they generate while nullsec posted lies about overwhelming incursion income taking over the game. GǪand they they were (and still are) flooding the market. Being the third largest faucet kind of disqualifies it from being described as GǣlittleGǥ.
Quote:So instead of this crap calling itself fixes for incursions (Which do nothing that needs to be done for them as usual) Agreed. Incursions need to pay out pretty much no ISK at all and have a completely different reward structure altogether. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 21:08:00 -
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Radelix Cisko wrote:So CFC and friends are gonna control tech production... maybe we should just use tech 1 stuff then? Just make sure it isn't the meta0 because those won't drop ~ Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 21:45:00 -
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I have formed an organization. OCPEC. Organization of Cute Puppy Exporting Corporations.
http://imgur.com/a/J9CCh http://imgur.com/eyAOv,GWVHF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJYzD2O4vkI&feature=relmfu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IovYfuR8KMk&feature=youtu.be |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 21:49:00 -
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How much is a cute puppy? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
SolusLunes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 21:50:00 -
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 21:50:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:How much is a cute puppy? You can't afford it. I have put up an embargo. |
XIRUSPHERE
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.24 22:36:00 -
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Why is this a bad thing? It adds to the overall landscape of the game, without the actors playing out some great space drama you would simply not have an EVE. If you don't like it do something about it. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
SeaBassSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 22:48:00 -
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Not empty quoting. |
May Zonday
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 22:50:00 -
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Not empty quoting. Oh hey look at this post |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.24 22:59:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.24 23:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Not flooding the market. CCP has pointed out how little they generate while nullsec posted lies about overwhelming incursion income taking over the game. GǪand they they were (and still are) flooding the market. Being the third largest faucet kind of disqualifies it from being described as GǣlittleGǥ.
I love it how you can stick to your guns even after they've backfired in your face.
Incursions might be a problem in terms of effort & risk versus reward, but they clearly aren't the sky-is-falling problem for the economy that some people liked to make them out to be.
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Traumatica
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 23:43:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Well this is what happens when you have game mechanics that so heavily favor the big alliances that they can afford to use what was supposed to be small corp tactics (Such as AFK Cloaking) to drive out small neuts and reds from the good stuff.
Corp and POS mechanics make isolating potential spies difficult except for big alliances. CCP Tells us their plan for fixing that is a modified minecraft screenshot for something next year. Result? They feel free to demand full API
AFK Cloaking drives small corps and alliances out shuts down efforts to fund alliances against the big boys. We hear nothing on this.
Tech moons and moon mining in general have gotten EXTREMELY out of hand and are serving to help solidify large alliances even further with virtually free isk flow. This has the added bonus of reducing the power of the individual corp member because stuff he mines or rats means less to the group. Instead of a badly needed temp change to drops from rats across nullsec we get pretty pictures for something next year.
These and more should have been priority for Inferno. And with Dust going to take up tons of their dev time why should the goons and others not feel safe to form a trust to raise prices?
CCP this is what nullsec has done to you. They pointed and screamed at incursions when the issues festering in their zone need to be fixed FAR more.
Yes surely it is because of cloaks that small groups do not have Tech moons and not because of our bigger-than-your-alliance capital fleets and 4x bigger-than-your-alliance subcapital fleets. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.04.25 01:23:00 -
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you realize that even when ccp has moved 0.0 income entirely over to a personal model (ring mining et al) that your small alliance still won't be able to compete because unlike now (where afk cloakers actually have nothing to do with your inability to hold moons), those afk cloakers will have a disproportionately large effect on your alliance's ability to make money, right? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.25 04:13:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:Tippia wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Not flooding the market. CCP has pointed out how little they generate while nullsec posted lies about overwhelming incursion income taking over the game. GǪand they they were (and still are) flooding the market. Being the third largest faucet kind of disqualifies it from being described as GǣlittleGǥ. I love it how you can stick to your guns even after they've backfired in your face. Incursions might be a problem in terms of effort & risk versus reward, but they clearly aren't the sky-is-falling problem for the economy that some people liked to make them out to be.
People been making Incursions the strawman arguement so that thier gameplay doesn't get nerfed for the past 6 months. After the Incursion nerf expect to still see HUGE inflation and peeps continually trying to blame Incursions. OTEC, Hulkageddon, the Drone alloy nerf: almost everything materials ( except nano ribbons ) wise is seeing a supply side drop. To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.25 04:32:00 -
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On a side view, if 0.0 is so stagnant to actually support such a mutual co-op without any real retribution, a lot wacks at sov mechanics / force projection etc. need to happen. Unless we're finally at that point in natural stages of man to find a relative peace amongst nations. -á |
Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2012.04.25 04:35:00 -
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That is why AFK cloaking needs to be balanced. I would personally rather it be my idea of grid timing but even a simple timer would be better than what we have now
That, and "we" (Random Small Alliance or Corp) have to fight through these horrific settings calling themselves corp and POS permissions while bigger alliances just spend more to manage risk and demand full API to be part of the "cool club
These and more combine to make nullsec the steaming pile of dog crap it is today.
There are some simple urgent "band-aids" That can reduce the dog crap factor atleast for a short time
#1 Cloak timer based on inactivity. (Not changing direction is a good indicator after plenty of warning) Yes I know it is crap because the idiots will use macros but they can be reported in the meantime. Having to warp off grid and back is better but we need an urgent fix faster than a tough one on AFK cloakers atleast until a proper complete new system is in place
#2 Tech, and other focused moon harvested materials removed from said moons and added to the loot tables of all rats in EvE based on security level. This will raise hell and could crash a bit of the market but it works as a temporary solution until proper ring mining is put into place. This is NOT the same as drone alloys as moon mining is passive and not a profession outside of a few moon logistics users
#3 A quick and dirty "Stuff" module for items and ships combined that can be onlined and offlined by POS operator but belongs only to a single or small group of characters. I know this will at once make POS a bit OP yet vastly reduces the amount of roles and permissions given to random members. An alternative is a true fix allowing moveable sections inside current arrays with single member permissions but I suspect if they have to do that they mise well go on and make the full modular POS
In my opinion this will at once reduce the huge influence large alliances have over EVE. Goonswarm says they use moon goo to fund their SRF (Which I generally believe) I hope they and other large alliances will see these as a positive impact on the game that will create vast new opportunities for good fights especially once proper fixes are in place. And serve to enable their members to feel even more involved with the success of their alliance
In my opinion these changes will also cause a flood of new people into nullsec. I would then like to later see changes to enable more behind the lines fights (Fights not ganks that AFK-Cloaking is today). A great deal more nullsec-nullsec wormholes would see good fights all over the place. |
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Posted - 2012.04.25 04:41:00 -
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Nylith Empyreal wrote:On a side view, if 0.0 is so stagnant to actually support such a mutual co-op'd marketplace without any disturbances of war to require conservative use of wealth, sov etc. might be out of wack mechanics wise if there is no desire of expansion. Unless we're finally at that point in natural stages of man to find a relative peace amongst nations.
When I saw my first non WH based wormhole I thought "Damnnnn this will wreck the current sov lines" however the low amount of said wormholes with too low mass limits has prevented real use of this. |
corestwo
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Posted - 2012.04.25 04:49:00 -
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And there's the "Well if you just balance afk cloaking..." argument.
I have a newsflash for you: They could remove afk cloaking and in these hypothetical scenarios where all income is derived from mining and ratting, you would still get absolutely wrecked. |
Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2012.04.25 04:57:00 -
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It is not just balancing cloaking tho. The AFK cloak is the other way large alliances could seriously hoard Tech and thus must be removed but removed by itself it will not have the decisive full effect needed here.
Need all 3 but Cloak balance with Goo to loot tables will have the most desired impact if 2 alone I had to pick.
BTW I have no doubt the cloakers will adapt. And by adapt I mean staying around instead of going to the movies. With these implemented I would look forward to be hunted by the active ones. Knowing I am being hunted by the neut in local instead of having the immersion broken wondering if the idiot is at school is something that is desired. |
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