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Kingwood
Amarr Defile.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kingwood on 19/02/2009 00:40:39 Edited by: Kingwood on 19/02/2009 00:39:39 So I was mission busting on a Kronos with a cheap salvage Punisher. After stealing his wrecks and loot from under his nose he had a corp buddy in a Rapier incoming. I waited till the Rapier appeared in the pocket, and they predictably killed my poor ship. I grabbed my Pilgrim, and went back into the mission. When I warped into the pocket with the Kronos and the Rapier I decloaked and checked the aggro timer, it showed 12 seconds left. So I start neuting and tracking disrupt the Kronos, set orbit at 500m, then start locking the Rapier to send my drones on him. (Edit 2: I didn't get to it. Hell broke lose before I had him locked)
Alls well, but 5 seconds later Concord appears and nukes me to hell.
At first I thought the Kronos had a heavy neut fitted, but it was Concord.
So, my question: Did I miss anything regarding aggro mechanics? Does Concord fudge up when there's just a few seconds left on the aggro timer? And most importantly: Can I write a petition and hope for ship reimbursement? Anything I can provide from the logs so CCP can check?
Shame about the missed fight, would've been fun.
Edit: Here's the lossmail:
2009.02.19 00:13:00
Victim: Kingwood Corp: Defile. Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Destroyed: Pilgrim System: Ashab Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 7291
Involved parties:
Name: XXXXXX (laid the final blow) Security: 5.0 Corp: raddick Explorations Alliance: BlackWater. Faction: NONE Ship: Kronos Weapon: Hammerhead II Damage Done: 5112
Name: CONCORD Police Captain / CONCORD Damage Done: 2179
Destroyed items:
Armor Thermic Hardener II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction, Qty: 2 Cap Booster 400, Qty: 13 (Cargo) Warrior II, Qty: 8 (Drone Bay) Tracking Speed Disruption Tracking Disruptor II Targeting System Subcontroller I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Warp Scrambler II Medium Armor Repairer II Egress Port Maximizer I
Dropped items:
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Capacitor Booster II Optimal Range Disruption (Cargo) Damage Control II Hobgoblin II, Qty: 6 (Drone Bay) Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN Afterburner II Hammerhead II, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay)
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.19 00:42:00 -
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Hmm - Concord and your intended victim both on a killmail, with a fair amount of damage from your intended victim? I say petition. Worst that could happen is that it's denied, right?
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.19 00:54:00 -
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WAI, all the stuff is preserved server-side, and your client showing 12 seconds left is "******ed", so the aggro already worn off, but your "******ed" client still shows a "******ed" timer.
you should petition it anyway, worse could happen is "THE LOGS. THEY SHOW NOTHING." _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 |
Kingwood
Amarr Defile.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 00:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kingwood on 19/02/2009 00:55:57 Checked the gamelogs: [ 2009.02.18 23:57:05 ] (combat) ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> misses you completely. [ 2009.02.18 23:57:08 ] (notify) Poslen [RDEX]<BWA> has started trying to warp scramble you! [ 2009.02.18 23:57:10 ] (combat) ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> misses you completely. [ 2009.02.18 23:57:11 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Poslen [RDEX]<BWA> hits you, doing 40.7 damage. [ 2009.02.18 23:57:11 ] (combat) Poslen [RDEX]<BWA> barely misses you. [ 2009.02.18 23:57:12 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Poslen [RDEX]<BWA> hits you, doing 32.7 damage. [ 2009.02.18 23:57:17 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> hits you, doing 1088.1 damage. [ 2009.02.18 23:57:18 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Poslen [RDEX]<BWA> aims well at you, inflicting 75.8 damage. [ 2009.02.18 23:57:18 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Poslen [RDEX]<BWA> aims well at you, inflicting 98.9 damage. [ 2009.02.18 23:57:19 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Poslen [RDEX]<BWA> aims well at you, inflicting 86.7 damage. [ 2009.02.18 23:57:23 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> aims well at you, inflicting 1379.1 damage. [ 2009.02.18 23:57:24 ] (notify) Ship is out of control
[ 2009.02.19 00:09:47 ] (notify) Your cloaking systems are unable to activate due to your ship being within 2000 meters of the nearby Warp Gate. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:15 ] (notify) You cannot perform that action at this time as your systems are still recalibrating after the use of a cloaking device. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:16 ] (notify) You cannot perform that action at this time as your systems are still recalibrating after the use of a cloaking device. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:16 ] (notify) You cannot perform that action at this time as your systems are still recalibrating after the use of a cloaking device. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:18 ] (notify) You cannot perform that action at this time as your systems are still recalibrating after the use of a cloaking device. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:27 ] (notify) In yo face!!! is too far away to use your Warp Scrambler II on, it needs to be closer than 9,000 meters. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:32 ] (notify) You cannot launch a Hammerhead II because you are already controlling 5 drones, as much as you have skill to. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:37 ] (combat) ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> misses you completely. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:44 ] (combat) ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> misses you completely. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:50 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> hits you, doing 1192.8 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:51 ] (warning) This action is an attack on your target. Attacking this target is a crime, will result in a security status penalty for you and will bring CONCORD to enforce the law by destroying your ship. <b>CONCORD will kill you!</b><br><br>Do you wish to proceed with this dangerous action? [ 2009.02.19 00:12:56 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.2722. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:57 ] (notify) Kingwood, Criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:57 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> lightly hits you, doing 430.3 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir heavily hits you, inflicting 25.6 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir hits you, doing 17.3 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir hits you, doing 23.6 damage.
The logs show I'm a few seconds over the 15 minute limit, but the client showed 12 seconds left. So I guess I'm out of luck since there's no way to prove it? Oh, and the dialog did not show up. Or the adrenaline made me blind.
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.19 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kingwood Edited by: Kingwood on 19/02/2009 00:55:57
[ 2009.02.19 00:12:18 ] (notify) You cannot perform that action at this time as your systems are still recalibrating after the use of a cloaking device. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:27 ] (notify) In yo face!!! is too far away to use your Warp Scrambler II on, it needs to be closer than 9,000 meters. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:32 ] (notify) You cannot launch a Hammerhead II because you are already controlling 5 drones, as much as you have skill to. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:37 ] (combat) ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> misses you completely. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:44 ] (combat) ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> misses you completely. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:50 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> hits you, doing 1192.8 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:51 ] (warning) This action is an attack on your target. Attacking this target is a crime, will result in a security status penalty for you and will bring CONCORD to enforce the law by destroying your ship. <b>CONCORD will kill you!</b><br><br>Do you wish to proceed with this dangerous action? [ 2009.02.19 00:12:56 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.2722. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:57 ] (notify) Kingwood, Criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:57 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> lightly hits you, doing 430.3 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir heavily hits you, inflicting 25.6 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir hits you, doing 17.3 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir hits you, doing 23.6 damage.
The logs show I'm a few seconds over the 15 minute limit, but the client showed 12 seconds left. So I guess I'm out of luck since there's no way to prove it? Oh, and the dialog did not show up. Or the adrenaline made me blind.
actually, since he shoot back at you, CONCORD shouldn't have shown up, since he actually resetted the aggro timer
Press F12 Recieve Bacon _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 |
Lt Shard
Shoot To Thrill Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2009.02.19 00:58:00 -
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i think you will get reimbursed. _________________________
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Kingwood
Amarr Defile.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 01:10:00 -
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The gamelogs show that he's also shooting first at me, before I actually engaged him. I petitioned, let's see what happens. Thanks all!
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Leaving Eve
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Posted - 2009.02.19 01:17:00 -
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You were only agro'd to the kronos. You fired on another ship, concordokken.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.19 01:17:00 -
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Are you sure you attacked the Kronos and not the rapier? If you attacked the rapier (or if you drones did, which probably happened) then timer was up and CONCORD was right to show up (I think)
See what you security penalty was for, the kronos or the rapier.
You should always petition because what is the worst that can happen, they say no? --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Lieutenant Isis
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.19 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Leaving Eve You were only agro'd to the kronos. You fired on another ship, concordokken.
This tbh. In the first set of logs the person you attack in the second set is never mentions, therefore CONCORD comes as you have no right to attack, its only people who attacked you that you can attack. I doubt that you will get your ship back, but worth the try.
Originally by: Roc Wieler I enhance my RP experience by filling my bathtub with red jello, balancing a wooden plank across it, then play EVE naked on my laptop.
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Kingwood
Amarr Defile.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kingwood on 19/02/2009 01:36:53 Edited by: Kingwood on 19/02/2009 01:36:30 Thing is I remember that the Rapier was not locked before Concord showed up. The Rapier decloaked after I was almost locked on to the Kronos. I started locking him after I started attacking the Kronos. If it's true that my drones did engage the Rapier, then that's total fail on my part. Could've gotten a nice Kronos kill. It's a bit worrying that I don't remember any of this, though. Anyways, it's a noticeable hole in my wallet, but not devastating. Let's see what the petition brings.
Edit: Talked to the Rapier pilot. My drones attacked him. Case solved. I'm a re.tard.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.02.19 01:37:00 -
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The Kronos attacked the second time outside the 15 mintue timer so something is either missing from your logs where you extended his timer OR he extended his timer by shooting your can. So that's already odd. Apart from that, the only explanation I can give is that you didn't agress the Kronos itself but something else, possibly his drones that yellow boxed on you but hadn't redboxed yet. For some reason the part showing what you actually did is missing from your log.
Apart from that if you like at the times your story still doesn't hold up (that or I understood it the wrong way). Here's why; - last Kronos agression is at 23:57:23 - you uncloaking and trying to target the Kronos is at 00:12:15, so at the start of you trying to target you only have 8 seconds left. And due to the uncloaking you lose several seconds. I have to assume that just before this happened you checked your timer and saw it had 12 seconds left, that just makes sense - your first try to agress is at 00:12:27, but fails due to range issues. Note that this is already OUTSIDE the 15 minute timer - as the log don't show any other agression from your modules and you deploy your drones at 00:12:27 (and they're not on target yet) we can conculde you STILL haven't actually reagressed him yet and again, this is already past your 15 minute window anyway - for some reason he's able to attack you at 00:12:37, WELL past his 15 minute timer so as stated earlier, something is missing from your log - finally, 00:12:51, 36 seconds after your first uncloaking you get to agress which results in the yes/no question and you blowing up as you clicked 'yes'.
So, as stated you did agress something else that the Kronos itself, this log entry is (for some reason) missing from your posted log (and should be just after the warning message). Meaning you left it out. At least that's what I conclude from the logs as you posted them.
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Kingwood
Amarr Defile.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 01:43:00 -
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My Hammerheads don't show aggressing the Rapier pilot though. The log is complete on my part, no editing.
[ 2009.02.19 00:12:51 ] (warning) This action is an attack on your target. Attacking this target is a crime, will result in a security status penalty for you and will bring CONCORD to enforce the law by destroying your ship. <b>CONCORD will kill you!</b><br><br>Do you wish to proceed with this dangerous action? [ 2009.02.19 00:12:56 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.2722. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:57 ] (notify) Kingwood, Criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:57 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> lightly hits you, doing 430.3 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir heavily hits you, inflicting 25.6 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir hits you, doing 17.3 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir hits you, doing 23.6 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir barely misses you. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir lands a hit on you which glances off, causing no real damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:03 ] (combat) ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> misses you completely.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.02.19 01:46:00 -
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Yeah, don't think your drones will show up in your log, that is the logical (and in this case correct) conclusion.
That yes/no warning message always reminds me of the Spitting Image intro where Reagan can't choose between 2 buttons, one is 'nurse' and the other is 'nuke'.
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Kingwood
Amarr Defile.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 01:49:00 -
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To conclude this thread: Kingwood is an idiot and needs to die in a fire (ingame)
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Element 22
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.19 01:51:00 -
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There is something...odd about this post.
I see that there was fighting in mission space involving T2 ships and a concorducken.
But there is no emo-rage quits or tears. I mean, my god, the OPs even asking if it would be worth it to petition it!
What the hell is going on?! Signatures are annoying...kinda like me. |
Kingwood
Amarr Defile.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Element 22 There is something...odd about this post.
I see that there was fighting in mission space involving T2 ships and a concorducken.
But there is no emo-rage quits or tears. I mean, my god, the OPs even asking if it would be worth it to petition it!
What the hell is going on?!
I'm rather laid-back. That's why girls dig me.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.19 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kaeten on 19/02/2009 01:55:13 so the RAPIER shot at you FIRST? and then you went back and shot the KRONOS before he shot YOU?
that would probably explain it.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.19 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kingwood
Originally by: Element 22 There is something...odd about this post.
I see that there was fighting in mission space involving T2 ships and a concorducken.
But there is no emo-rage quits or tears. I mean, my god, the OPs even asking if it would be worth it to petition it!
What the hell is going on?!
I'm rather laid-back. That's why girls dig me.
girls like emo rage/emotions and being treated liek ****. where do you find such girls that aren't so, show meh
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Tellenta
Gallente Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten Edited by: Kaeten on 19/02/2009 01:55:13 so the RAPIER shot at you FIRST? and then you went back and shot the KRONOS before he shot YOU?
that would probably explain it.
Nah what happened is (I think) he drew aggro from the corp as I don't think you draw aggro from the gang. Didn't realize that the timer he sees in his overview does not reflect both parties there is a separate timer for individuals. Also he was playing dodge the concord actions in highsec with his warnings turned off as shown in his log. Thus he lost his ship to concord and wants to know if idiocy is petitionable. Sadly it is not or I would always have my ship returned.
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Kingwood
Amarr Defile.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 02:03:00 -
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Nah, it must've been like this:
I warp into the pocket and start locking the Kronos after the uncloaking delay. Apparently, I'm outside my 15 minute window of opportunity, but luckily, the Kronos is engaging me first, so no Concordokken for me this time. (Lucky me) Unluckily, the Rapier decloaks, and I start locking him. Now is where it all gets hazy. I remember starting to engage the Kronos with my Neuts and Tracking disruptor of doom, and descending into a 500m orbit. Unluckily, my plan didn't end there, because my planned Action was to do nasty stuff to the Kronos so he can't hit me, while siccing my drones on the Rapier and holding on till the Rapier dies. The Rapier and me are both outside our windows of opportunity (while the Kronos apparently wasn't). Unluckily, the Rapier pilot is smart. I am not. And for some reason I manage to send my drones on the Rapier while clicking "Yes" on the Concordokken dialog.
That's the best I can reconstruct.
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ISHKUR MASTER
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.19 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: ISHKUR MASTER on 19/02/2009 02:18:57 Or you had a rep drone that got launched with the bunch, as I see you tried to launch a drone and it denied saying you have 5 out already. what was the status of the second pilot? Seen to be assisting, not allowed.
That would do it.
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Diek Ran
Amarr Autonums
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Posted - 2009.02.19 02:19:00 -
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ITT: Tinfoil > Petitions
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.02.19 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kingwood My Hammerheads don't show aggressing the Rapier pilot though. The log is complete on my part, no editing.
[ 2009.02.19 00:12:51 ] (warning) This action is an attack on your target. Attacking this target is a crime, will result in a security status penalty for you and will bring CONCORD to enforce the law by destroying your ship. <b>CONCORD will kill you!</b><br><br>Do you wish to proceed with this dangerous action? [ 2009.02.19 00:12:56 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.2722. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:57 ] (notify) Kingwood, Criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed. [ 2009.02.19 00:12:57 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> lightly hits you, doing 430.3 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir heavily hits you, inflicting 25.6 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir hits you, doing 17.3 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir hits you, doing 23.6 damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir barely misses you. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:00 ] (combat) Hammerhead II belonging to ThaMa Gebir lands a hit on you which glances off, causing no real damage. [ 2009.02.19 00:13:03 ] (combat) ThaMa Gebir [RDEX]<BWA> misses you completely.
Yeah drones don't show up in logs shame really, they've got me killed a couple of times in the past.
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Tellenta
Gallente Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kingwood I am not (My client clicks "Yes"). And thus I manage to send my drones on the Rapier and dying to Mr. Captain.
That's the best I can reconstruct.
wasn't your client at some point you check the button do not show this warning. I forget how you reset that, but if you are going to perform acts of highsec mission runner buggery you might want to keep that warning active.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.19 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: ISHKUR MASTER Edited by: ISHKUR MASTER on 19/02/2009 02:18:57 Or you had a rep drone that got launched with the bunch, as I see you tried to launch a drone and it denied saying you have 5 out already. what was the status of the second pilot? Seen to be assisting, not allowed.
That would do it.
Most pilgrim pilots carry spare medium attack drones because if they lose the drone battle, they are screwed. Ergo, more than 5 drones attempted to be launched... not a rep drone
Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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Tellenta
Gallente Invicta.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: ISHKUR MASTER Edited by: ISHKUR MASTER on 19/02/2009 02:18:57 Or you had a rep drone that got launched with the bunch, as I see you tried to launch a drone and it denied saying you have 5 out already. what was the status of the second pilot? Seen to be assisting, not allowed.
That would do it.
You get that message every time you have more drones in bay than 5 in that partition.
For example Medium drones (10) when you right click that and launch drones you will recieve that message.
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Kingwood
Amarr Defile.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 02:59:00 -
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Yeah, I carry spare drones.
One thing I'm not quite clear on: Why did the Kronos still have an aggro timer when he shouldn't have? Only thing still puzzling me.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari Fist of Eargon
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Posted - 2009.02.19 04:22:00 -
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I thought the drones were smart enough not to engage things that are not "hostile", aka, they aren't aggro'd to you? If they were flashy red, CONCORD shouldn't have showed up.
The timer is quite weird, really. Even if you fire at them, it resets their timer as well (I think). I believe that under aggro even locking will reset the timer, but I'm not exactly sure.
Petitions are a win-win; either you get your ship back, or nothing happens. I thought my Retriever was gone when I lost it to a belt rat when I got stuck on a roid, but they reimbursed me for it....so...
Doesn't really matter for the logs on your end. They have logs for every event and can pull them up quite easily. ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong." |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2009.02.19 06:23:00 -
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Don't bother. You will not get your ship back. Any petition filed will get back a cookie-cutter "sorry for your loss, our logs show nothing abnormal" response. They don't care what your logs say. They only look at server-side logs, and no you don't get to see them.
Taxman VI: Voided Ledger
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