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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.02.28 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Casino Alkasar Edited by: Casino Alkasar on 28/02/2009 01:25:04 The dev was wrong, the dev was rude, the dev was not very inovativ, but crossing a border and that makes a bad troll. If ccp says okay to let it get a little more free and rough on the forums, all kay with me ;)
I just dont figure why so many praise this if they would go rampage when other companies pull the same gfo! **** on thier playerbase but mean it.((ofcourse better then darkfall, which i think are only lieng))
bla bla anyway End result is if ya played some other tabletops /games where you can built ya own stuff from out of tons ofmodules, there are always *setups* which grow very popular and used offen, even by nobrainers.
I for my part am looking forward to it big time. Just dont praise it for what it not is.
The dev had a right to be rude. apparently some of you never worked in customer service. Some people, no matter how much you try to please them, still arent happy and have to *****. Many many people are rude to the devs...i suppose thats acceptable though cause we are paying customers.. we pay $15 a month so that means we can treat everyone in CCP like **** right?
to the dev flamers:I see nothing wrong with it personally. i could understand if people were trying to get a problem solved and the dev just started insulting them and what not.. but considering the amount of flamage they get for not making the game the way you and you and you want it... is ridiculous. If you dont like what they are doing IMVHO, STFU, give me your stuff, and go play WOW. You will find their devs are as unable to meet your demands as the ones here.
The way i see it, we get new major upgrades bout every 6 months FOR FREE( eat that WOW) they constantly try to improve the game and work out bugs and in most cases try to take a direction with the game that players want.. all to make us happy yet every patch we have whiners and criers about how this patch is crap and how this fixes nothing blah blah...
All games have cookie cutter builds/ templates. Its a fact of mmos. most games nerf one build or increase the pwoer of another.. but nothing really changes with that equation. At least your not swapping one build for another with this.They may only be increasing the number of cookiecutters but at least its cookie cutters on one ship and not ok we are fighting a curse, two sacs , and a falcon we need this and this..
t3s arent going to be the green grass on the other side of the fence. but they are a step in the right direction. After their is a mass evaluation of the ships and how they stack up against other ships work in fleets in solo pvp blah blah they will modify them further. and really while sisi allows them to work out most bugs it dont really give a good idea how a t3 is going to fit in the great scheme of eve. they are going to need several months of live play to figure out how to improve on them so they become more what they would like and less like a failed version to end cookie cutters.
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Amberglow
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Posted - 2009.02.28 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: RC Denton I agree with the OP. I think t3 really fits in between t1 and t2 where t2 is the optimized uber ship for doing whatever it is you want to do, pew pew, mining, etc. Where as t3 is going to allow you to have one hull with multiple modules and build what you need from there. Today I need to rat so I'll put these subsystems on, now I need to pvp so I'll rejigger it with another set of sub systems. I think this is a fine and cool idea, but the implementation is going to kill it.
- Based on the difficulty of sleepers t3 prices are going to be nuts
- If you die you lose SP which is the grandmaster of death penalties in EVE
- People will Min/Max these ships because of the expense and we will see complete cookie cutter builds within a couple months of release
I believe the OP is right. The moment I saw that "If you loose your ship (gets blown up) you will loose SP" I told myself forget about this T3 ships. What's the point? Its difficult enough to gain SP and only to loose it if your ship gets blown?!
There's no insurance ... randomly loose a Level? You would be crying if you loose a rank 12 skill, that took you 30 days to train.
And there's so many ways to die. You die when gank-****, or possible lag death when in a mission, npc's are pounding on you.
Seriously who would be in their right mine to even a risk an expensive T3 ship and their SP.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.02.28 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Amberglow Seriously who would be in their right mine to even a risk an expensive T3 ship and their SP.
Me. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
Ash Bringer
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Posted - 2009.02.28 17:22:00 -
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when u die the sp loss will only be from t3 skills which are all rank1
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Llyan
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:38:00 -
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I think some people are rather missing the point when they look at the variability in T3. Yes, of course the full 7000 odd combinations won't all be used. Just as with the variability currently available with mods, many combinations will be fairly useless. However, neither of the two arguments claiming there is a problem actually make much sense. The OP appears to be saying that since there is so much variation no-one will be able to work out what to do, and therefore no-one will bother doing anything. This is just plain stupid. Other people are saying that since only a few combinations will be especially effective, the whole thing is a waste of time. And let's be honest, that's equally stupid.
Think of the worst possible case here. Each race will have one T3 setup that does great damage, another for tank, another for range, another for speed, another for ewar. Absolutely worst case scenario is that we effectively get at least 5 new mid-size ships for each race. I honestly can't see why that would be considered a bad thing. Of course, this worst case is not what will actually happen, since it will certainly be possible to swap the odd module around to add a bit of variation. What we'll almost certainly end up with is 5 or so basic new ships per race with all the usual variability in fittings, but with some extra variability due to the hull combinations.
If you're looking to have some kind of ultimate new ship better than anything existing, you're going to be disappointed. If you're expecting to be able to build a ship to do whatever you want, however you want, you're going to be disappointed. If you're expecting T3 ships to change the face of EVE, you're going to be disappointed. If you're expecting to have a few new things added in a fairly interesting way, hooray.
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iwillkillyou187
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Posted - 2009.03.02 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
Originally by: Casino Alkasar Edited by: Casino Alkasar on 28/02/2009 01:25:04 The dev was wrong, the dev was rude, the dev was not very inovativ, but crossing a border and that makes a bad troll. If ccp says okay to let it get a little more free and rough on the forums, all kay with me ;)
I just dont figure why so many praise this if they would go rampage when other companies pull the same gfo! **** on thier playerbase but mean it.((ofcourse better then darkfall, which i think are only lieng))
bla bla anyway End result is if ya played some other tabletops /games where you can built ya own stuff from out of tons ofmodules, there are always *setups* which grow very popular and used offen, even by nobrainers.
I for my part am looking forward to it big time. Just dont praise it for what it not is.
The dev had a right to be rude. apparently some of you never worked in customer service. Some people, no matter how much you try to please them, still arent happy and have to *****. Many many people are rude to the devs...i suppose thats acceptable though cause we are paying customers.. we pay $15 a month so that means we can treat everyone in CCP like **** right?
to the dev flamers:I see nothing wrong with it personally. i could understand if people were trying to get a problem solved and the dev just started insulting them and what not.. but considering the amount of flamage they get for not making the game the way you and you and you want it... is ridiculous. If you dont like what they are doing IMVHO, STFU, give me your stuff, and go play WOW. You will find their devs are as unable to meet your demands as the ones here.
The way i see it, we get new major upgrades bout every 6 months FOR FREE( eat that WOW) they constantly try to improve the game and work out bugs and in most cases try to take a direction with the game that players want.. all to make us happy yet every patch we have whiners and criers about how this patch is crap and how this fixes nothing blah blah...
All games have cookie cutter builds/ templates. Its a fact of mmos. most games nerf one build or increase the pwoer of another.. but nothing really changes with that equation. At least your not swapping one build for another with this.They may only be increasing the number of cookiecutters but at least its cookie cutters on one ship and not ok we are fighting a curse, two sacs , and a falcon we need this and this..
t3s arent going to be the green grass on the other side of the fence. but they are a step in the right direction. After their is a mass evaluation of the ships and how they stack up against other ships work in fleets in solo pvp blah blah they will modify them further. and really while sisi allows them to work out most bugs it dont really give a good idea how a t3 is going to fit in the great scheme of eve. they are going to need several months of live play to figure out how to improve on them so they become more what they would like and less like a failed version to end cookie cutters.
Translation: blah blah blah cookie cutters, blah blah blah cookie cutters :)
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Cae'phon
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Posted - 2009.03.03 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: nameless oats Edited by: nameless oats on 20/02/2009 01:03:52 Almost sounds like CCP before they changed from the lovable little guy to the heartless SoE-esque money grubbing corporation.
Let me know how this type of community interaction works out for you when you are the latter.
I reject your sense of reality and substitute the real thing. SOE was a listen to the whiners' convention type of company, they let in the wrong type of people to run the show and now they are a 5k subscription base, and that cause the only ones who play SWG are the ones with station accounts for other games. CCP is not like that, or so it seems. SOE was a nerf-bat-swinging-brady-bunch-of-fools. Go Whisper. Also who honestly cares if a cookie cutter comes out, it will not be something that is readily available to the general populous until sometime after the big Corp/Alliances figure it out themselves. Or unless there is some genious (sp???) who can figure it out before hand and doesn't waste a ton of resources and time on it.
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Shadow Maze
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Posted - 2009.03.03 02:48:00 -
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This thread has varied so wildly that it's hard to respond, but;
@OP The key to all this is of course, people get to choose the items that suit them, its a personal choice dictated by an individuals likes and dislikes. Not everyone likes to follow the herd. Yes some (read: many) people take this game very seriously and require the people that fly with them to fit ships the 'best' way, but many people actually 'play' this game and relish the ability to fit a ship to their play style.
@Whisper A succinct response to a poorly argued and presented OP.
@everyone complaining about Whisper's post; Being professional does not mean being inhuman. The whole warped ideal of having to be nice (read:lie to) to your customers is saddening. Being offended so easily is also ridiculous, grow a pair.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently." -Fredrich Nitchie
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2009.03.03 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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IMHO CCP Whisper wins the thread. I'm still laughing at this friggin epic
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2009.03.03 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
Originally by: Amberglow Seriously who would be in their right mine to even a risk an expensive T3 ship and their SP.
Me.
same
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Sissy Fuzz
Amarr Sissy Fuzz Communications
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Posted - 2009.03.09 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
The dev had a right to be rude. apparently some of you never worked in customer service.
I think this is in fact a policy issue taken care of by CCP. It is not a question of "right".
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
blah blah
...i suppose thats acceptable though cause we are paying customers.. we pay $15 a month...
blah blah
The way i see it, we get new major upgrades bout every 6 months FOR FREE( eat that WOW) they constantly try to improve the game and work out bugs and in most cases try to take a direction with the game that players want.. all to make us happy yet every patch we have whiners and criers about how this patch is crap and how this fixes nothing blah blah...
How old are you?
Sissy Fuzz The cutest n00b evarh
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.04 11:09:00 -
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it has been some time then i posted this thread about the paradox of choice and i am back here whit some questions:
1) did T3 meet your expectations ? just give a yes / no
2) if you cant make a clear yes or no plz make a list whit 10 expected things that T3 accomplish for you and a second list whit 10 things that T3 failed to accomplish for you (if you cant put on the list 10 use 5)
-thx
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Zackaryel
Caldari Echolalia. Shangri-La.
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Posted - 2009.05.04 11:19:00 -
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Just got myself a new signature ^^
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Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Mordekai Bloodwake
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.04 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon it has been some time then i posted this thread about the paradox of choice and i am back here whit some questions:
1) did T3 meet your expectations ? just give a yes / no
2) if you cant make a clear yes or no plz make a list whit 10 expected things that T3 accomplish for you and a second list whit 10 things that T3 failed to accomplish for you (if you cant put on the list 10 use 5)
-thx
s/whit/with/g
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popmequick
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Posted - 2009.05.04 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more.
where as true what your saying to come from a ccp dev this imo shows the mentality and what is wrong with eve today.
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Snow Banshee
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.04 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mordekai Bloodwake
Originally by: ceaon it has been some time then i posted this thread about the paradox of choice and i am back here whit some questions:
1) did T3 meet your expectations ? just give a yes / no
2) if you cant make a clear yes or no plz make a list whit 10 expected things that T3 accomplish for you and a second list whit 10 things that T3 failed to accomplish for you (if you cant put on the list 10 use 5)
-thx
s/whit/with/g
LOL !!!!!!!
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2009.05.04 13:22:00 -
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What tech3 will do is create a general deflation of the market. There is no ISK injection for the kill unlike most other combat grinding.
The more time combat pilots spend fighting sleepers the less ISK they are introducing to Eve's economy while still burning away the usual amounts (Maybe even more ISK is lost as sleepers aren't easy prey). The zydrine crash when the drone regions opened (Also no ISK bounties) was an acute case that devalued just part of the market.
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Mystafyre
Caldari Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.05.04 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more.
10/10
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.05.04 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 04/05/2009 17:53:29
Originally by: popmequick
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup from scrapheap challenge or wherever for "guaranteed" results. Boo hoo. Cry some more.
where as true what your saying to come from a ccp dev this imo shows the mentality and what is wrong with eve today.
I dunno. Taking that blatant of a stance on an issue is reassuring. It at least suggests that CCP's position of not constantly waffling to the opinions of the playerbase at odds with the game's philosophy still exists. The game supports fitting diversity, and T3 provides that in a new way. Sounds like everything is as it should be.
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Wongdong
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.04 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking,(edit)Boo hoo. Cry some more.
edited for better clarity,this^^^^^^^^^ Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi".
i Yarrred your sig Xanos Blackpaw
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking |
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Wongdong
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.04 19:17:00 -
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/bump for whisper Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi".
i Yarrred your sig Xanos Blackpaw
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking |
Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2009.05.04 23:08:00 -
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Woohoo for whisper, very nice forum preformance. Way to smack the whiners.
You happen to be wrong though. Cookie cutter setups will form if the price drops to a point where people regularly fly them. There might be 4 or 5 cookie cutter setups with different roles, and a little more room for variation. But they will be cookie cutter.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2009.05.04 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Amberglow
Seriously who would be in their right mine to even a risk an expensive T3 ship and their SP.
You only lose a single level of a random subsystem skill, which are all rank 1.
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Krist Valentine
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.06 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Krist Valentine on 06/05/2009 18:40:43
Originally by: ceaon nice Got a questions for you. If you have to sell cheese from X a bla bla bla BLA
bored.
op failed.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:20:00 -
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Thanks for the rebump of an epic thread. It was a riot the first time around reading up to page 4 all the ass kissing and bleeding hearts completely derailing the thread because of one post.
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