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Bane Necran
353
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:27:00 -
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This is why goons are violently opposed to anything that could make the game popular: They like being a big fish in a small pond.
They exist in games like WoW, but no one cares about them. Here they're the center of attention. That brittle rage, the bitter rubble, take your time and bring the trouble. |
Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:29:00 -
[92] - Quote
Look at me, I'm so very pretty and special. I'm a pretty, pretty space girl. Look at meeeeeeeeee..... Needs more tears. |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:29:00 -
[93] - Quote
Anslo wrote:evereplicant wrote:Nirnias Stirrum wrote:evereplicant wrote:So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm? Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.
Examples
Jita Ice Mining Tech prices.
As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox. This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve... Form an alliance. Get Members Defeat Goons ??? Profit There you go. something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this I really like how people like you claim it's such a simple and easy effort to bring together an alliance of individuals to challenge the largest organization in Eve. Claiming this is a dumb ass post and that the concept is simple and anyone can do it shows absolutely no intelligence on your part. That's like saying if you don't like oil prices and the monopoly oil companies have created, that I should go start my own oil company and run them down. There's this thing called resources. When one group controls all the resources you need to threaten them, there's nothing you can really do that would have a lasting impact. By the time anyone could amass a force large enough to take them down, they'd be 3x stronger than they were. A REAL answer would be for all the nul alliances to realize that the goons are homogenizing 0.0 and that eventually, they'll run the whole thing and it's gg for eve. Unless they all come together and ruthless tear into the CFC in a completely and absolutely relentless attack that does not stop across all their territory, they can't be taken down.
You are wrong sir. What you said is exactly what he said.
A coallition is nothing more than an aliance of alliances.
Think harder next time.
~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Garibaldi Sinatra
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:29:00 -
[94] - Quote
Tinnin Sylph wrote:Anslo wrote:And on top of my previous comment, you would have to throw away all sense of morality (if such a thing exists on Eve).
You'd need to think as Machiavelli did, the ends justify the means. Lie, cheat, steal, betray, harass, and metagame to an appropriate degree and you'd be able to destroy the goons completely. It is only when we become the enemy can we defeat the enemy. 1. Read "The Prince" by Niccol+¦ Machiavelli 2. Destroy Goons 3. ???? 4. Kill Yourself
I can take only a quote from the great Babylon 5 too sum up power.
Mr Morden: What do YOU want ?
Lando Molari: I want my people to reclaim thier rightfull place in the galaxy; i want too see the Centarui stretch fourth thier hand again and command the stars.I want a rebirth of Glory, a renacance of power. I want too stop running thru my life like a man late for an appointment. Affraid too look back or look forward. I want us all too be WHAT WE USED TOO BE! . I WANT....*breathes* i want it all back the way that it was....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUYpUMaEI88 Conquering Eve Online One Pint at a time.-á(Excuse my bad spelling and or grammar ive never really valued such things especially when everyone knows what im saying regardless) |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
168
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:31:00 -
[95] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:This is why goons are violently opposed to anything that could make the game popular: They like being a big fish in a small pond.
They exist in games like WoW, but no one cares about them. Here they're the center of attention.
"Things that would make the game popular" is usually synonymous with "dilutory and pedantic simplification." "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Shegunna Blow
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:31:00 -
[96] - Quote
Welcome to the Sandbox.
You have two choices here, and the Goons have can NOT decide for you which one to take:
1. Deal with them and continue your standard routine. Accept possible consequences. 2. Move away from goon territory/target areas.
Noone has to go to Jita. No one has to mine when there is a planned, very public event occurring that endangers them.
If you don't want any outside influence in your game, why are you playing an MMO? Educate, adapt and all will be well... oh yeah, and HTFU.
-Shegunna Blow |
Shukuzen Kiraa
47-Ronin Outer Ring Excavations Syndicate
121
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:32:00 -
[97] - Quote
Everyone should just ignore them until they realize they arent getting the attention they want..cry, and quit eve. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:32:00 -
[98] - Quote
Welsige wrote:Anslo wrote:evereplicant wrote:Nirnias Stirrum wrote:evereplicant wrote:So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm? Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.
Examples
Jita Ice Mining Tech prices.
As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox. This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve... Form an alliance. Get Members Defeat Goons ??? Profit There you go. something that you guys struggle to do time and time again.. i love dumb ass posts like this I really like how people like you claim it's such a simple and easy effort to bring together an alliance of individuals to challenge the largest organization in Eve. Claiming this is a dumb ass post and that the concept is simple and anyone can do it shows absolutely no intelligence on your part. That's like saying if you don't like oil prices and the monopoly oil companies have created, that I should go start my own oil company and run them down. There's this thing called resources. When one group controls all the resources you need to threaten them, there's nothing you can really do that would have a lasting impact. By the time anyone could amass a force large enough to take them down, they'd be 3x stronger than they were. A REAL answer would be for all the nul alliances to realize that the goons are homogenizing 0.0 and that eventually, they'll run the whole thing and it's gg for eve. Unless they all come together and ruthless tear into the CFC in a completely and absolutely relentless attack that does not stop across all their territory, they can't be taken down. You are wrong sir. What you said is exactly what he said. A coallition is nothing more than an aliance of alliances. Think harder next time.
There's a difference between 1 alliance building up from scratch with no resources and a coalition of multiple well established and well built alliances with SOME resources not controlled by Goons.
Think harder next time. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1645
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:33:00 -
[99] - Quote
Garibaldi Sinatra wrote:Tinnin Sylph wrote:Anslo wrote:And on top of my previous comment, you would have to throw away all sense of morality (if such a thing exists on Eve).
You'd need to think as Machiavelli did, the ends justify the means. Lie, cheat, steal, betray, harass, and metagame to an appropriate degree and you'd be able to destroy the goons completely. It is only when we become the enemy can we defeat the enemy. 1. Read "The Prince" by Niccol+¦ Machiavelli 2. Destroy Goons 3. ???? 4. Kill Yourself I can take only a quote from the great Babylon 5 too sum up power. Mr Morden: What do YOU want ? Lando Molari: I want my people to reclaim thier rightfull place in the galaxy; i want too see the Centarui stretch fourth thier hand again and command the stars.I want a rebirth of Glory, a renacance of power. I want too stop running thru my life like a man late for an appointment. Affraid too look back or look forward. I want us all too be WHAT WE USED TOO BE! . I WANT....*breathes* i want it all back the way that it was.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUYpUMaEI88
Of course, he also proclaiimed himself to be "The heir to the throne of the kingdom of fools", but yeah.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Garibaldi Sinatra
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:34:00 -
[100] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:This has all happened before.
It will all happen again.
Your avatar is the spitting image of Odo from DS9 Conquering Eve Online One Pint at a time.-á(Excuse my bad spelling and or grammar ive never really valued such things especially when everyone knows what im saying regardless) |
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:35:00 -
[101] - Quote
Shegunna Blow wrote:Welcome to the Sandbox.
You have two choices here, and the Goons have can NOT decide for you which one to take:
1. Deal with them and continue your standard routine. Accept possible consequences. 2. Move away from goon territory/target areas.
Noone has to go to Jita. No one has to mine when there is a planned, very public event occurring that endangers them.
If you don't want any outside influence in your game, why are you playing an MMO? Educate, adapt and all will be well... oh yeah, and HTFU.
-Shegunna Blow
Standard combat aside, they do grief economically. By holding all the tech moons, they could do whatever they want in terms of economic warfare. If goons one day decide "eff CCP," they could destroy the entire market, across every Empire. It's not just a matter of physically avoiding them. They can attack anyone physically or through the wallet via inflation. |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
168
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:35:00 -
[102] - Quote
Anslo wrote: There's a difference between 1 alliance building up from scratch with no resources and a coalition of multiple well established and well built alliances with SOME resources not controlled by Goons.
Think harder next time.
No, there isn't. The only difference is time spent acquiring the resources. Do you think all those 0.0 alliances just popped into existence with their resources laid out for them? They had to take them from someone.
"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
168
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:37:00 -
[103] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Shegunna Blow wrote:Welcome to the Sandbox.
You have two choices here, and the Goons have can NOT decide for you which one to take:
1. Deal with them and continue your standard routine. Accept possible consequences. 2. Move away from goon territory/target areas.
Noone has to go to Jita. No one has to mine when there is a planned, very public event occurring that endangers them.
If you don't want any outside influence in your game, why are you playing an MMO? Educate, adapt and all will be well... oh yeah, and HTFU.
-Shegunna Blow Standard combat aside, they do grief economically. By holding all the tech moons, they could do whatever they want in terms of economic warfare. If goons one day decide "eff CCP," they could destroy the entire market, across every Empire. It's not just a matter of physically avoiding them. They can attack anyone physically or through the wallet via inflation.
I'm not sure what game you think you're playing. They control those moons through perfectly legal and valid mechanics. You will just hav to accept that New Eden is a scary place full of bad people. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:38:00 -
[104] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:Anslo wrote: There's a difference between 1 alliance building up from scratch with no resources and a coalition of multiple well established and well built alliances with SOME resources not controlled by Goons.
Think harder next time.
No, there isn't. The only difference is time spent acquiring the resources. Do you think all those 0.0 alliances just popped into existence with their resources laid out for them? They had to take them from someone.
Yes, this is true. But consider the following;
If I decide to start an alliance right now and spend three years building it up to the point that it could take on the goons right now, in 2012, do you really think that the goons influence and power would stay stagnant and not grow over the same three years?
By 2015, I could have my alliance attack the goons, but they would be 3 years stronger with god knows what and still decimate us. This goes back to some arguments regarding the difference in alliances established long ago versus new start ups and temporal inequality, but that's another story.
Bottom line, there is a difference, and no matter how much a new alliance builds up, the goons would always have that very VERY large head start. To think otherwise is simply ignorant, Mr. Goon-Alt. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1645
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:41:00 -
[105] - Quote
Garibaldi Sinatra wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:This has all happened before.
It will all happen again. Your avatar is the spitting image of Odo from DS9
Well, since he was a shape shifter that doesn't mean a whole lot. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.04.24 16:41:00 -
[106] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:Anslo wrote:Shegunna Blow wrote:Welcome to the Sandbox.
You have two choices here, and the Goons have can NOT decide for you which one to take:
1. Deal with them and continue your standard routine. Accept possible consequences. 2. Move away from goon territory/target areas.
Noone has to go to Jita. No one has to mine when there is a planned, very public event occurring that endangers them.
If you don't want any outside influence in your game, why are you playing an MMO? Educate, adapt and all will be well... oh yeah, and HTFU.
-Shegunna Blow Standard combat aside, they do grief economically. By holding all the tech moons, they could do whatever they want in terms of economic warfare. If goons one day decide "eff CCP," they could destroy the entire market, across every Empire. It's not just a matter of physically avoiding them. They can attack anyone physically or through the wallet via inflation. I'm not sure what game you think you're playing. They control those moons through perfectly legal and valid mechanics. You will just hav to accept that New Eden is a scary place full of bad people.
Never once did I say it wasn't valid. I am simply pointing out that the solution is not as simple as "move away from goons and target areas." There was a hole in your logic, and I provided a plug for it. Also, I wouldn't say Eve is full of "bad" people so much as it is full of nonsensical people. |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
168
|
Posted - 2012.04.24 16:42:00 -
[107] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Anslo wrote: There's a difference between 1 alliance building up from scratch with no resources and a coalition of multiple well established and well built alliances with SOME resources not controlled by Goons.
Think harder next time.
No, there isn't. The only difference is time spent acquiring the resources. Do you think all those 0.0 alliances just popped into existence with their resources laid out for them? They had to take them from someone. Yes, this is true. But consider the following; If I decide to start an alliance right now and spend three years building it up to the point that it could take on the goons right now, in 2012, do you really think that the goons influence and power would stay stagnant and not grow over the same three years? By 2015, I could have my alliance attack the goons, but they would be 3 years stronger with god knows what and still decimate us. This goes back to some arguments regarding the difference in alliances established long ago versus new start ups and temporal inequality, but that's another story. Bottom line, there is a difference, and no matter how much a new alliance builds up, the goons would always have that very VERY large head start. To think otherwise is simply ignorant, Mr. Goon-Alt.
Contrary to popular belief, not everyone who disagrees with you is a goon alt. This is my main.
If anything, Goon influence would decline by that time. Remember Mo0, or BoB, or the Privateers? They were once the big dogs, too. You don't hear much about them any more. Politics and power in Eve is based entirely on THE PLAYERS and their actions. That is why Eve is a niche game; it's also why Eve is the only MMO with any real heart to it. The players decide what happens in this game. If you cannot deal with being on the losing side, you're in the wrong universe. Every time you undock your ship, you risk its destruction. Every time you fire a gun, you take countless lives. Every decision you make effects the rest of the game. If you can't accept decisions from others having just as much weight as your own, I don't know what to tell you. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
67
|
Posted - 2012.04.24 16:43:00 -
[108] - Quote
What would Star Trek Deep Space 9 have been without the Borg ?
It seems to me that having a grand struggle that creates an enviroment of a guerilla warefare or "underground" exisitance is a super twist in the Sanbox Saga.
This is one of the few games with a HIstory.. not some contrived cheep fantasy writer fiction but a playing out of human imperialistic and revolt struggles. (no real life tradegies should result yet human dynamics such as morale, betrayal, pride, jealousy and paranoia are vital to the shaping of events)
At issue is some sense of insecurity in thinking that you must be equal to win. If the odds are stacked 5 to 1 against you and you win 1 out of 4 times, or more appropiately find a way to thrive in taking advantage of the circumstances on the ground, take pride in that huge accomplishment of beating the odds. You have bested someone if you outpeform them given the odds or handicap that should be menatlly implied in the scoring if they enter the match with superior resources.
In your sandbox, you need to know that any progress in dificult circumstances is far greater than the same progress in easier cirumstance... just like beeting a campaign computer game in harder mode vs easy mode. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:44:00 -
[109] - Quote
Perhaps Goonswarm should be called Wall Street - whenever one does something drastic, it affects the rest of the populous in a trickle down fashion... |
Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:45:00 -
[110] - Quote
Goons won at Eve. We will continue to control your game until we get bored of your tears*. Deal wiz it.
*Never Needs more tears. |
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:46:00 -
[111] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:Anslo wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Anslo wrote: There's a difference between 1 alliance building up from scratch with no resources and a coalition of multiple well established and well built alliances with SOME resources not controlled by Goons.
Think harder next time.
No, there isn't. The only difference is time spent acquiring the resources. Do you think all those 0.0 alliances just popped into existence with their resources laid out for them? They had to take them from someone. Yes, this is true. But consider the following; If I decide to start an alliance right now and spend three years building it up to the point that it could take on the goons right now, in 2012, do you really think that the goons influence and power would stay stagnant and not grow over the same three years? By 2015, I could have my alliance attack the goons, but they would be 3 years stronger with god knows what and still decimate us. This goes back to some arguments regarding the difference in alliances established long ago versus new start ups and temporal inequality, but that's another story. Bottom line, there is a difference, and no matter how much a new alliance builds up, the goons would always have that very VERY large head start. To think otherwise is simply ignorant, Mr. Goon-Alt. Contrary to popular belief, not everyone who disagrees with you is a goon alt. This is my main. If anything, Goon influence would decline by that time. Remember Mo0, or BoB, or the Privateers? They were once the big dogs, too. You don't hear much about them any more. Politics and power in Eve is based entirely on THE PLAYERS and their actions. That is why Eve is a niche game; it's also why Eve is the only MMO with any real heart to it. The players decide what happens in this game. If you cannot deal with being on the losing side, you're in the wrong universe. Every time you undock your ship, you risk its destruction. Every time you fire a gun, you take countless lives. Every decision you make effects the rest of the game. If you can't accept decisions from others having just as much weight as your own, I don't know what to tell you.
And finally a sensible counter argument. Thank you!
While in a normal situation I agree with you 100%, the Goons are a bit of a special case.
The alliances you mentioned were formed within Eve through blood, sweat and tears. they came, conquered, died, and left. Thus is the cycle. But the issue with goons is that they existed before coming to Eve, and they existed in the thousands. Forums and multiple other games are littered with the likes of them. This is a cause for concern. I don't believe they will simply die out with those kinds of numbers, history, and dedication to ruining everything they can as often as they can.
They exist beyond Eve, and will keep coming. So unless Something Awful shuts down...they won't be part of the extinction cycle anytime soon. |
Bane Necran
355
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:48:00 -
[112] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:Bane Necran wrote:This is why goons are violently opposed to anything that could make the game popular: They like being a big fish in a small pond.
They exist in games like WoW, but no one cares about them. Here they're the center of attention. "Things that would make the game popular" is usually synonymous with "dilutory and pedantic simplification."
Not really.
You'll notice goons lose their mind whenever WiS is mentioned, because they know that will bring many more people. That brittle rage, the bitter rubble, take your time and bring the trouble. |
Lord Fargo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
|
Posted - 2012.04.24 16:48:00 -
[113] - Quote
evereplicant wrote:So CCP please can you explain why the whole game is pretty much control by one alliance - Goonswarm? Anything Mittani gets upset about he sends his bees out to pretty much lay havoc on anything and everything which then effects everyone in eve in every way.
Examples
Jita Ice Mining Tech prices.
As the game become so saturated that one alliance has the ability to control eve. I mean well done Mittani you now litterally control eve. But CCP really is this the vision of Eve? Because Ill say it again, eve is no longer sandbox when your sandbox is determined by someone elses sandbox. This isnt a pop at Goons or Mittani as such they have achieved the end game but there is something seriously wrong when an online game gets to this point and one person/alliance can have such a dramatic effect on everyone in eve...
I'd be angry as you if I had to pay for this terrible game, man I love moon goo. |
ElQuirko
The Scope Gallente Federation
598
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:48:00 -
[114] - Quote
Garnoo wrote:you can control CCP too.... you just need to be so awesome (like The Mittani) to gather more than 25 000 gamers.... so stop whining its not my fault you dont have so many friends!
Don't think the Mittani started SA, mate...
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1645
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:49:00 -
[115] - Quote
Quote:What would Star Trek Deep Space 9 have been without the Borg ?
Wait, what? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
168
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:51:00 -
[116] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Bane Necran wrote:This is why goons are violently opposed to anything that could make the game popular: They like being a big fish in a small pond.
They exist in games like WoW, but no one cares about them. Here they're the center of attention. "Things that would make the game popular" is usually synonymous with "dilutory and pedantic simplification." Not really. You'll notice goons lose their mind whenever WiS is mentioned, because they know that will bring many more people.
No, they, like many players, get pissed when walking in stations gets more attntion than FLYING IN SPACE. Incarna was a disaster, and it wasn't the goons who passed judgement on it. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:51:00 -
[117] - Quote
Confirming WiS will be the downfall of the Goon empire.
Needs more tears. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:52:00 -
[118] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Bane Necran wrote:This is why goons are violently opposed to anything that could make the game popular: They like being a big fish in a small pond.
They exist in games like WoW, but no one cares about them. Here they're the center of attention. "Things that would make the game popular" is usually synonymous with "dilutory and pedantic simplification." Not really. You'll notice goons lose their mind whenever WiS is mentioned, because they know that will bring many more people. No, they, like many players, get pissed when walking in stations gets more attntion than FLYING IN SPACE. Incarna was a disaster, and it wasn't the goons who passed judgement on it.
There is SOME logic to the idea behind that sentiment though, you can't deny that. |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
168
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:52:00 -
[119] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Anslo wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Anslo wrote: There's a difference between 1 alliance building up from scratch with no resources and a coalition of multiple well established and well built alliances with SOME resources not controlled by Goons.
Think harder next time.
No, there isn't. The only difference is time spent acquiring the resources. Do you think all those 0.0 alliances just popped into existence with their resources laid out for them? They had to take them from someone. Yes, this is true. But consider the following; If I decide to start an alliance right now and spend three years building it up to the point that it could take on the goons right now, in 2012, do you really think that the goons influence and power would stay stagnant and not grow over the same three years? By 2015, I could have my alliance attack the goons, but they would be 3 years stronger with god knows what and still decimate us. This goes back to some arguments regarding the difference in alliances established long ago versus new start ups and temporal inequality, but that's another story. Bottom line, there is a difference, and no matter how much a new alliance builds up, the goons would always have that very VERY large head start. To think otherwise is simply ignorant, Mr. Goon-Alt. Contrary to popular belief, not everyone who disagrees with you is a goon alt. This is my main. If anything, Goon influence would decline by that time. Remember Mo0, or BoB, or the Privateers? They were once the big dogs, too. You don't hear much about them any more. Politics and power in Eve is based entirely on THE PLAYERS and their actions. That is why Eve is a niche game; it's also why Eve is the only MMO with any real heart to it. The players decide what happens in this game. If you cannot deal with being on the losing side, you're in the wrong universe. Every time you undock your ship, you risk its destruction. Every time you fire a gun, you take countless lives. Every decision you make effects the rest of the game. If you can't accept decisions from others having just as much weight as your own, I don't know what to tell you. And finally a sensible counter argument. Thank you! While in a normal situation I agree with you 100%, the Goons are a bit of a special case. The alliances you mentioned were formed within Eve through blood, sweat and tears. they came, conquered, died, and left. Thus is the cycle. But the issue with goons is that they existed before coming to Eve, and they existed in the thousands. Forums and multiple other games are littered with the likes of them. This is a cause for concern. I don't believe they will simply die out with those kinds of numbers, history, and dedication to ruining everything they can as often as they can. They exist beyond Eve, and will keep coming. So unless Something Awful shuts down...they won't be part of the extinction cycle anytime soon.
So, if I were to bring my gun club to Eve or a book club rose to power they'd have to be artificially limited on how successful they could be because they already know each other outside the game? Special cases have another word they tend to go by: Precendents. You're just making excuses for interrupting the natural flow of gameplay by saying 'He started it!' "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:54:00 -
[120] - Quote
No difference at all.
We have no monopoly over anything that is a obstacle to anyone to accomplish it. Whats is it we have monopoly over anyway? Last time I checked there was great alliances all over new eden, all flying big, expensive **** and kicking eachother asses .
The only true ressource than might be really scarce that comes to my mind is leadership.
You can mobilize an entire galaxy if you have leadership, you dont need a powerful fleet of your own, just get people to fight for your banner. Hell, you dont even need to play the game to command.
htfu. ~ 10.058 ~
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