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Tractus Vesica
Caldari Order of the Black Dragons
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Posted - 2009.02.20 18:06:00 -
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I currently have a t1 cloak equipped to my Stealth Bomber, and I've noticed something...
T1 cloak sucks.
Is getting a t2 cloak really worth the extra 10 mil isk?
Side note: I just spent 11 mil on a covert ops cloak for my buzzard, so I'm a bit pressed for cash, otherwise I wouldn't be asking for advice. >>Insert generic signature here<< |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.02.20 18:20:00 -
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In my limited experience with stealth bombers, a cloak on a stealth bomber is no better than one on any other ship. The biggest advantage a stealth bomber has with a cloak (no retargeting delay) is independent of what cloak you use.
It might be worth shelling out the isk for a t2 cloak so that you still go faster cloaked than uncloaked, so that you can align while cloaked and instawarp. It's still no covops cloak, but eh, whatever.
Also in b4 merin who will tell you not to waste the cpu on a cloak at all. __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.20 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri Also in b4 merin who will tell you not to waste the cpu on a cloak at all.
Because it IS a waste. With 250km range, there is no plausible scenario in which you are using the cloak in combat, so you're much better off using that 30 (or 60) CPU on more BCU IIs or ewar. -----------
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Lasran Tekeal
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Posted - 2009.02.20 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Terianna Eri Also in b4 merin who will tell you not to waste the cpu on a cloak at all.
Because it IS a waste. With 250km range, there is no plausible scenario in which you are using the cloak in combat, so you're much better off using that 30 (or 60) CPU on more BCU IIs or ewar.
In after merin who will tell you not to waste the cpu on a cloak at all.
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Adaera
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Posted - 2009.02.20 18:38:00 -
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In after a blind guy posting spam. ___________________
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Saaya Illirie
Caldari Core Element Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.02.20 19:32:00 -
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Eh, T2 cloak is a waste of CPU over T1. But having a cloak on a ship as excessively fragile as a SB is isn't a bad thing, not if you want to avoid that interceptor approaching you crazily quick. That interceptor WILL kill you solo as sad as that is, so unless you were smart and had warpins at 200+ on either side of the gate before the battle, come fitted with a cloak.
It's also handy for those times everyone else in your gang gets their face punched in and you have no way out of system and don't want to get scanned down, plus it makes you a semi-viable scout for a small gang. The only advantage the T2 cloak has is that with cov ops V you will fly faster cloaked than you would uncloaked.
You still need to train your cloaking skill up though, if you stop at one you're being a stingy lazy nub. Suffer not the insufferable to live. |
Cyhawk
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Posted - 2009.02.20 20:20:00 -
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Stick with the T1 cloak if you dont have the isk.
For those of us with the isk, Go for the T2 one. There is a very specific reason. Even with the 0 targeting delay, there is, guess what, a Targeting delay! Whodathunk it =)
There is still a forced 5 second lag when you decloak to being able to target. The difference between T1 and T2 (and by extension, the storyline which is so bloody expensive) is about a 2 second difference. This makes a huge difference in PvP hence the T2 > T1.
Since your most likely not going to need that extra 2 seconds, or equip your SB with all T2/Rigs, T1 works just fine for your situation. Just keep it in mind when you get richer and can afford it.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.02.20 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lasran Tekeal
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Terianna Eri Also in b4 merin who will tell you not to waste the cpu on a cloak at all.
Because it IS a waste. With 250km range, there is no plausible scenario in which you are using the cloak in combat, so you're much better off using that 30 (or 60) CPU on more BCU IIs or ewar.
In after merin who will tell you not to waste the cpu on a cloak at all.
nice combo bro o/ \o __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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PsychoBones
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.20 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Adaera In after a blind guy posting spam.
I guess I need to add some more spam.
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Shadow Vincentius
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Posted - 2009.02.21 02:41:00 -
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This is not a prejudicial judgment as I myself have flown the Manticore for a long time.
Train for something better. I just got myself a Pilgrim, and compared to the Stealth Bombers, the Recons are so worth the extra cost and training.
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rez914
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.21 08:19:00 -
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Don't forget that stealth bombers move faster cloaked than uncloaked. |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.21 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: rez914 Don't forget that stealth bombers move faster cloaked than uncloaked.
And? How exactly are you going to use that in the middle of a fight, since you can't warp in while cloaked? -----------
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.02.21 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: rez914 Don't forget that stealth bombers move faster cloaked than uncloaked.
Which is faster, a cloaked stealth bomber, or an uncloaked stealth bomber? The uncloaked one, since it's using its MWD __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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joan arcangel
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: joan arcangel on 21/02/2009 09:42:18
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
And? How exactly are you going to use that in the middle of a fight, since you can't warp in while cloaked?
lol
cloak go off grid decloak warp away recloak.
or warp to a off gate grid bm cloak head to a BM in grid at range and scout. Plus you could decloak just before your gang gets there to confuse the target and cloak and move after or fire if they not near you/heading your way
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente No End To Infinity
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: rez914 Don't forget that stealth bombers move faster cloaked than uncloaked.
Which is faster, a cloaked stealth bomber, or an uncloaked stealth bomber? The uncloaked one, since it's using its MWD
The faster one is the one with the MWD on that cloaks...at least for 10 seconds if you time the cloaking correctly.
I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually. |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.21 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: joan arcangel cloak go off grid decloak warp away recloak.
Err, why? If you are able to cloak, you have not been locked by anyone. If you have not been locked by anyone, you are not scrambled by anyone. If you are not scrambled by anyone, you can just warp off without having to spend all that time flying off-grid first.
Quote: or warp to a off gate grid bm cloak head to a BM in grid at range and scout.
WTB: off-grid bookmarks for every possible place there could be a fight.
Or, really, WTB: covops frigate.
Quote: Plus you could decloak just before your gang gets there to confuse the target
Sorry, but "ooh, a stealth bomber, *kills*" is not very confusing.
Quote: and cloak and move after or fire if they not near you/heading your way
Why would you want to cloak in the middle of the fight? You're removing your dps from the fight, so you might as well just stay home. Or better, bring a ship that doesn't suck. -----------
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Ulasim
Child Head Injury and Laceration Doctors
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Posted - 2009.02.22 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Terianna Eri Also in b4 merin who will tell you not to waste the cpu on a cloak at all.
Because it IS a waste. With 250km range, there is no plausible scenario in which you are using the cloak in combat, so you're much better off using that 30 (or 60) CPU on more BCU IIs or ewar.
wtb stealth bomber with 250km range
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.22 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ulasim
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Terianna Eri Also in b4 merin who will tell you not to waste the cpu on a cloak at all.
Because it IS a waste. With 250km range, there is no plausible scenario in which you are using the cloak in combat, so you're much better off using that 30 (or 60) CPU on more BCU IIs or ewar.
wtb stealth bomber with 250km range
Ok, fine, it's not quite 250km, but it's enough that my point still stands:
[Manticore, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Small Remote Armor Repair System I /OFFLINE Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Small Remote Armor Repair System I /OFFLINE Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I -----------
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Pifflepuff
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Posted - 2009.02.22 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: rez914 Don't forget that stealth bombers move faster cloaked than uncloaked.
Which is faster, a cloaked stealth bomber, or an uncloaked stealth bomber? The uncloaked one, since it's using its MWD
Can you do that? Use a MWD while cloaked?
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.02.22 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pifflepuff
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: rez914 Don't forget that stealth bombers move faster cloaked than uncloaked.
Which is faster, a cloaked stealth bomber, or an uncloaked stealth bomber? The uncloaked one, since it's using its MWD
Can you do that? Use a MWD while cloaked?
No, but I didn't say you could.
A cloaked stealth bomber will go 50% faster than base speed (roughly) an uncloaked stealth bomber will be able to use the MWD that it fit (you did fit a MWD, didn't you?) and go 500% faster than base speed. __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Chssmius
Capital Support House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.02.22 05:35:00 -
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As I understand it, you can pulse your mwd and then cloak. This would be used for those times when you jump into a bubble and need to get just outside of it to warp off.
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joan arcangel
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.22 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Err, why? If you are able to cloak, you have not been locked by anyone. If you have not been locked by anyone, you are not scrambled by anyone. If you are not scrambled by anyone, you can just warp off without having to spend all that time flying off-grid first.
true but if its a losing figth or lagged you may want out
Quote: Sorry, but "ooh, a stealth bomber, *kills*" is not very confusing.
well if you decloak and lock and start shooting they should start chasing you so when your gang jumps in they are out of place..
Quote: Why would you want to cloak in the middle of the fight? You're removing your dps from the fight, so you might as well just stay home. Or better, bring a ship that doesn't suck.
sounds like someone that has not flown a bomber
as said before great on dps but poor on defence so the defence for a bomber is either range or cloak
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.22 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: joan arcangel true but if its a losing figth or lagged you may want out
Please, read before posting. If you are able to cloak, you are not locked and therefore not scrammed and able to warp at will, without screwing around with the cloak. Cloaking does nothing to help you escape.
Quote: well if you decloak and lock and start shooting they should start chasing you so when your gang jumps in they are out of place..
And how is this better than an interceptor?
Quote: sounds like someone that has not flown a bomber
Been there, done that, got a force recon instead.
Quote: as said before great on dps but poor on defence so the defence for a bomber is either range or cloak
Correction: poor on dps. Get a Cerberus if you want dps.
And I'm still waiting for an explanation of how cloaking in the middle of the fight helps you do anything besides remove your dps from the fight. -----------
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.22 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin Ok, fine, it's not quite 250km, but it's enough that my point still stands:
[Manticore, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Small Remote Armor Repair System I /OFFLINE Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile Small Remote Armor Repair System I /OFFLINE Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise Missile
Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Omg you are again abusing a ship, totally against it's role. It fails almost as much as your 250km sniper vulture. It will take half a minute till your missiles reach the target, but in more than 90% of cases the target will simply warp away by then or you'll be instapopped by a sniper battleship before you missiles hit anything. There is a reason the ship is called STEALTHbomber and not ultralongrange-missilefailsniper, it doesn't have a missile velocity bonus but a stealth velocity bonus and a -100% targeting delay after decloaking bonus.
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Compound Interest
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Posted - 2009.02.22 10:44:00 -
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You need a t2 cloak for thre bonuses. Also SB doesnt have any targettign delay after unclock - get ur skills up.
la\st of all, idiots who say dont use a cloak are basicly ******ed: someone gets a sling at you are are basicly dead. Secondly if they see u approach/attack at 250 km they will warp away before ur cruises even get there.
U shod be cloaked off the enemy at around 100-60km range, armed with: 3 cruises t2 (faction ammo), BCU in low, maybe co processor if u have problmes.
Secondly u shud have a Sensor Booster with 2 scripts and a Sensor Dampener, maybe target painter, and so should ur friend. The idea is you both sensor dampen the guys range as soon as u unclock and attack him before he can warp away the missiles should hit him if you were at 60km.
Anyway I am tired of typing this but donbt listen to fools like merlin who obviously never flied an SB before.
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.22 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tractus Vesica Is getting a t2 cloak really worth the extra 10 mil isk?
Yes, and here's why: With the improved cloak you can travel more quickly cloaked than uncloaked. This means that you can align cloaked and then instawarp, which is INCREDIBLY useful. In addition it decreases the chances that you will get decloaked by say an oncoming ceptor and helps you get into position. It also improves targeting time/range. But if you can't afford it yet, just keep your SB in the hangar until you can.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.02.22 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 22/02/2009 12:23:27 manticore setup
[Manticore, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Prototype Cloaking Device I [empty high slot]
Bay Loading Accelerator I Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Typical small gang setup. SB are more of a novelty than anything. This setup will cost you around 80-100 mil. Personally i dont even dump that amount of isk in one its awaste. i basically drop the rigs altogather and use the less expensive t2s in mids. i wouldnt run a t2 cloak its a waste. Between its marginal benefits,cost, and how long your likely to survive, its throwing your money away.
If you rig you could set up for range or dps or a combo of both. What some here forget is to use this ship you.. WOULD HAVE A TACKLE. so how long it takes a missle to get their is more irrevelant if your tackle is worth of ****.
you get enough range without rigging for sniping. 125km plus is plenty. I typically fight at 70km-100km from target so i can use ewar. and we usually will run 2-3 sbs with an arazu tackle all running dampeners works quite well.
these are to squishy to dump alot of cash into.. i rather save the isk on the cloak and rigs and build another cheaper setup thats only slightly inferior to the one that cost twice as much as that extra 40 mil or so isnt going to save your ***..... more fun less isk but thats just me.
Edit to add: on other ships t2 cloak is alot more viable and covert ops cloaks are like wet dreams if you havent used them yet.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.22 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Omg you are again abusing a ship, totally against it's role. It fails almost as much as your 250km sniper vulture. It will take half a minute till your missiles reach the target, but in more than 90% of cases the target will simply warp away by then or you'll be instapopped by a sniper battleship before you missiles hit anything.
And you wonder why the Caldari are losing...
Hint to the clueless: the one "reason" to ever bring a stealth bomber is to kill Falcons. And for that, you need 200km+ range. Not only that, but if you get close enough that flight time and targets warping off are not an issue, your lifespan is measured in seconds.
Quote: There is a reason the ship is called STEALTHbomber and not ultralongrange-missilefailsniper, it doesn't have a missile velocity bonus but a stealth velocity bonus and a -100% targeting delay after decloaking bonus.
Hint to the clueless: just because a ship has a bonus to something doesn't mean that using that bonus is the best way to fit the ship. Passive shield tanking Myrmidons, AC Punishers, etc, they all have one thing in common: ignoring a useless bonus.
Stealth bombers are no different. Forget about the useless "stealth" bonuses and you'll suck a bit less with them. -----------
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin Passive shield tanking Myrmidons, AC Punishers, etc, they all have one thing in common: ignoring a useless bonus.
Stealth bombers are no different. Forget about the useless "stealth" bonuses and you'll suck a bit less with them.
This is just stupid. The stealth boni on a STEALTH bomber are not useless, the whole ship is designed for them. If you use it as a niche ship in a certain situation outside it's role, no one will criticise this. But jumping into a thread where people asking for solid stealth bomber setup, devaluate the natural stealth-bomber fitting on a stealth bomber and praise your comedy setup as the only reasonable and one proves that you are a moron. Get your pills and stop molesting people that are giving a common sense fitting advice.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.23 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba This is just stupid. The stealth boni on a STEALTH bomber are not useless, the whole ship is designed for them. If you use it as a niche ship in a certain situation outside it's role, no one will criticise this.
Yes, the bonus is useless, because the only cloak that is useful in combat is the covert ops cloak, and guess what: bombers can't fit one. This isn't a niche role, it's zero role, there is no plausible scenario in which the stealth bomber is able to use a cloak effectively for anything other than hiding from probes in a safespot (like any other random ship with a cloak).
Quote: But jumping into a thread where people asking for solid stealth bomber setup, devaluate the natural stealth-bomber fitting on a stealth bomber and praise your comedy setup as the only reasonable and one proves that you are a moron.
There is no "natural" stealth bomber setup. The only remotely plausible use for the ship is killing Falcons when you can't bring a Cerberus, Eagle, or 250km battleship, and guess what that means: you need 200km+ range, and you can't get it with a cloak fitted.
Quote: Get your pills and stop molesting people that are giving a common sense fitting advice.
See, this is the problem with common sense: most people are utter morons. I'm giving the correct fitting advice, you're giving advice that demonstrates quite nicely why Caldari are losing so badly. -----------
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