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Sol'Kanar
Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.23 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey You think macro MINERS are bad..
You should see the macro MISSIONERS and SALVAGERS.
No wonder everyone and their brother is using a CNR for mission running...
Recipe for success:
Sneak into macro mission runner mission and steal something. Target mission holder and hope he has auto-lock back still on Pray he's asleep at the wheel and laugh when he accidentally engages you Leave and return in your wtfpwnmobile and enjoy faction loots
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Sea Kitten
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.23 19:44:00 -
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I can't stand macro TITANS _________________________________________________ Call me a fish and I will CASTRATE you (in game). |
Haldeeman
Minmatar Infusion.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous Before I present my retort in kind, allow me to reconcile these two facts first, Mr. Man:
Originally by: Your Tiny Little Mind it's nice to see your personality fits your name there pompus.
Originally by: My Sig Yes, my name is Pompous. Yes, this has been designed for maximum deliberate effect. Well done for pointing that out. Well done you.
So that's cleared up!
Next
Quote: did you read that multiple players over multiple months have been reporting him
As I said, people merely reporting him does not make him a macro. You are making an assertion but one, until CCP acts one way or the other, that lacks any substantive evidence. As an addendum, which made me "lol" btw:
Quote: reporting him for being on 22-23 hours a day every day
"HALP ME IM EXCERMASING MY RIGHT TO PLAY THE GAME WHEN ITS NOT DT, AND SOME DISGRUNTLED BURGERFLIPPERS HAV REPORTED ME FOR DOING SO"
PS.
Quote: and you are a moron
Quote: pompus
i was about to say everything that this guy had said, and mocked you for everything that you had posted.
however, i was beaten to the mark.
so, i will just insert *MOCKERY x3* <INSERT LOLZ> </POINT AT YOU>
srsly.
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Buchatar
Caldari IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:56:00 -
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Hes Macro Mining. Yes?
Which means he is sitting in one spot, stationary, mining. What about bumping him away from the belt? ---- Nuclear Launch Detected. |
Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.02.24 00:21:00 -
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Not sure, he has been part of a corporation, he has done some missions, and he has writen a Bio...
At least its not an EVIDENT macrominer
But now that I have checked his bio, he is admiting that account is shared by a couple of guys <--- this is against the rules, it explains the 23/7 thingie and they could get banned
try it
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.24 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Buchatar Hes Macro Mining. Yes?
Which means he is sitting in one spot, stationary, mining.
You've just described ALL mining... I mean its pretty hard to go moving and all when your ship does less than 50m/s.. NOT a kublai alt. Honest! |
Precurseur
Gallente Friendly Insurgency
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Posted - 2009.02.24 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Kaj That sounds like the argument of a macro miner.
Originally by: Commander Kaj This is a bot. End of story.
Holy mother of god batman! Quick! To the witch-hunt-mobile!
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.24 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Precurseur
Originally by: Commander Kaj That sounds like the argument of a macro miner.
Originally by: Commander Kaj This is a bot. End of story.
Holy mother of god batman! Quick! To the witch-hunt-mobile!
Try and drown them! If they float then the are a witch and you have to burn them! NOT a kublai alt. Honest! |
PETITEBRUM
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Posted - 2009.02.24 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Buchatar Hes Macro Mining. Yes?
Which means he is sitting in one spot, stationary, mining. What about bumping him away from the belt?
Then he is a fail macro miner.
To give some inside info: It is impossible to proof macro miner. Macro's can be programmed to warp to differnt belts / positions, with different interval times. Macro's can be programmed to (re)act to NPC or hostiles (launch drones on NPC or dokc as soon as a red jumps in system.
I bet all iceminers are accussed of macro use, since there is no need for them to move at all.
Macro's hate them, love them...... Some crimes goes without punishment.
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General Meridus
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.24 04:09:00 -
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Anybody who's played the game for any amount of time will probably be able to spot a macro bot. Its not like its all that hard. To those who insist in every such thread, the OP is surely wrong. What is the big problem?
If a player finds sport in going after them, so what. If he now and then makes a mistake and takes out a real player, so what. Are there really some of you who believe they don't exist? If you don't care about them, why fight so hard to disprove they exist in the first place?
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.24 05:32:00 -
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Why even bother saying that your going after macro miners then? Its pretty difficult to identify a program for a bored sleepy miner anyway.. Why not just have a crusade against miners, be they macro or sleepy, and be done with it..
TBH, killing off macro miners is a double edged sword. On one side its a good thing because it means players can actually make decent money at this profession, but on the other side if all macro miners were blocked tomorrow its going to mean a lot less materials make it on to the open market pushing the price way up.
Still, they are fun to pop because they are dumb. NOT a kublai alt. Honest! |
ArcDragon
Caldari EAGLES FIGHTER SQUADRON End of The Line.
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Posted - 2009.02.24 15:58:00 -
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Let's gank the macro miners. There's a crusade I've never heard before. Do something way more useful with yourself and wardec me. We strive off of peeps like you.
If you want to educate yourself some try this podcast (Special #1) it's a debate on macroing: http://www.flyreckless.com/blog/
Or just read the original article: http://www.eve-mag.com/wordpress/archives/the-sky-is-falling If it has a SAVE button...I'm not interested. |
Eraza
Gallente Fuzzyness Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.02.24 16:42:00 -
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i'm betting there are more macro missioners then miners, we just hear much more about the miners because they are far easyer to spot also, are you sure this isnt just a player that dosnt understand a word in english? i have met a few of those over the years
and on top of that, many of those "macroers" dont actually use macros at all, they pay some kids in china mabey 1$ an hour to manage 12 accounts, each, which is sadly, not breaking any rules(at least none i know of) however those sweatshops are most likely mining to get money for isk selling, so you would need to tie that together, but of course, you need transaction logs for that, which means we need to trust ccp to do this right
and last but not least, with all this macro mining, trit is up to 4 isk a unit, if they all vanish at the same time, the market will be in for a shock, as supply of low end mats will be dropping quite a bit
hm, in conclusion i would still prefer that, then mabey REAL players can mine in high sec again, and not have to look for a belt that hasnt been compleatly removed, which is in many places quite a challenge
--- return the mines!
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Aerik Erwi
Caldari Erwi-Sora Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.24 17:58:00 -
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Just a quick question to help me determine if this one guy was macromining. Is it possible to decline a convo request? I sent one last night to one guy and he declined but kept on filling his Hulk and warping to station to dump. Didn't affect me really if he was, I'm pretty sure I pulled more ore from that belt than he did. __________________________________________ "I didn't do it, wasn't me, can't prove nuthin'" |
Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.02.24 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aerik Erwi Just a quick question to help me determine if this one guy was macromining. Is it possible to decline a convo request? I sent one last night to one guy and he declined but kept on filling his Hulk and warping to station to dump. Didn't affect me really if he was, I'm pretty sure I pulled more ore from that belt than he did.
It is indeed, if the target has not added you to the addressbook --------------------------------------------
Yes, my name is Pompous. Yes, this has been designed for maximum deliberate effect. Well done for pointing that out. Well done you. |
Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.24 18:22:00 -
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CCP should include rootkits just like blizzard did, stops a lot of stuff and is fine with me _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 |
Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.24 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Karentaki on 24/02/2009 18:53:11
Originally by: Captain Pompous
Quote: reporting him for being on 22-23 hours a day every day
"HALP ME IM EXCERMASING MY RIGHT TO PLAY THE GAME WHEN ITS NOT DT, AND SOME DISGRUNTLED BURGERFLIPPERS HAV REPORTED ME FOR DOING SO"
I can assure you that if someone is playing EvE continuously for 22-23 hours a day, they are going to be dead very soon. An average adult needs 9-10 hours of sleep a night, and it has been scientifically proven that sleep is important for many vital body and brain functions. Sleep deprivation can lead to mental and physical fatigue, loss of concentration, and eventually you will simply collapse unconscious. Now, I ask you, how do you propose this person is consistently playing eve for 22-23 hours a day without suffering any adverse effects, including death?
Also, you asked for evidence, enjoy:
Wikipedia: Sleep Insomnia Site EDIT: A more scientific article
However, this relies upon the accusers actually being accurate in their statements, but for now I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
Quote:
EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Karentaki Edited by: Karentaki on 24/02/2009 18:53:11
Originally by: Captain Pompous
Quote: reporting him for being on 22-23 hours a day every day
"HALP ME IM EXCERMASING MY RIGHT TO PLAY THE GAME WHEN ITS NOT DT, AND SOME DISGRUNTLED BURGERFLIPPERS HAV REPORTED ME FOR DOING SO"
I can assure you that if someone is playing EvE continuously for 22-23 hours a day, they are going to be dead very soon. An average adult needs 9-10 hours of sleep a night, and it has been scientifically proven that sleep is important for many vital body and brain functions. Sleep deprivation can lead to mental and physical fatigue, loss of concentration, and eventually you will simply collapse unconscious. Now, I ask you, how do you propose this person is consistently playing eve for 22-23 hours a day without suffering any adverse effects, including death?
Also, you asked for evidence, enjoy:
Wikipedia: Sleep Insomnia Site EDIT: A more scientific article
However, this relies upon the accusers actually being accurate in their statements, but for now I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
I suffer from schizophrenia and i sleep 4-5 hours/day. please ban all my accounts. _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 |
Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Pompous on 24/02/2009 19:15:26
Originally by: Karentaki
I can assure you that if someone is playing EvE continuously for 22-23 hours a day, they are going to be dead very soon.
Yes, I am aware that people who are sat at a computer playing games for 23-odd hours a day are likely to die fairly quickly. Additionally, I can quite happily AFK mine in my Itty V and be far away from the keyboard.
However, simply being logged on does not necessarily mean they are playing. I am oft-logged on whilst fast asleep.
And I did not ask for damn links to Wikipedia and Insomia support pages - I asked the OP for proof, any actual proof that he might have had beyond assumptions, that the person he was referring to was actually a macro.
e: added important addition
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Yes, my name is Pompous. Yes, this has been designed for maximum deliberate effect. Well done for pointing that out. Well done you. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:28:00 -
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Dude, don't argue with Captain Pompous. He's right even when he's wrong, just check his corp ffs.
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Kaj Any ideas?
Leave the guy or guys alone and go do something else.
1. If you can not prove that the person or persons in question are ruining the game for everyone else then go do something else. 2. If you can not wardec the person or persons due to he or they being in an NPC corp then go do something else. 3. If all you are going to do is complain about someone logged in 23 hours a day playing a friggen internet mining game then go do something else.
You see where I am going with this? And if you take offense at anything I just wrote then war dec Sol. I don't care and I am sure he wont either.
************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Izo Alabaster
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company
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Posted - 2009.02.24 20:33:00 -
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I agree with the OP. We need to have CONCORD response removed entirely for anyone who's more than 1 month old and still in an NPC corp.
Originally by: CCP Nozh Are BS useless in solo combat? The larger ship still has many benefits: * Can fit smaller weapons to fend off smaller targets * More slots allow EW counter measures
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CooperJZ
Gallente Corporate Disaster
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Karentaki Edited by: Karentaki on 24/02/2009 18:53:11
Originally by: Captain Pompous
Quote: reporting him for being on 22-23 hours a day every day
"HALP ME IM EXCERMASING MY RIGHT TO PLAY THE GAME WHEN ITS NOT DT, AND SOME DISGRUNTLED BURGERFLIPPERS HAV REPORTED ME FOR DOING SO"
I can assure you that if someone is playing EvE continuously for 22-23 hours a day, they are going to be dead very soon. An average adult needs 9-10 hours of sleep a night, and it has been scientifically proven that sleep is important for many vital body and brain functions. Sleep deprivation can lead to mental and physical fatigue, loss of concentration, and eventually you will simply collapse unconscious. Now, I ask you, how do you propose this person is consistently playing eve for 22-23 hours a day without suffering any adverse effects, including death?
Also, you asked for evidence, enjoy:
Wikipedia: Sleep Insomnia Site EDIT: A more scientific article
However, this relies upon the accusers actually being accurate in their statements, but for now I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
I havent slept more than 4 hours a night for the last 15 years. Something I got used to in the military and never got away from. Im not dead, tired, or even dead tired. I dont know of anyone who can lay in a bed for 9-10 hours a day. (Maybe with a hangover)
Anyway if hes sharing an account then he needs banned. If hes macroing he needs banned. And finally, apparently the -10 pirates seem to have no trouble popping hulks in high sec with destroyers. Try that. Its much cheaper.
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False Face
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:36:00 -
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If CCP really cared about ending macro mining, it would be pretty easy. Do what Pandora does; periodically ask the player a question. Make sure it is a question that can't be auto-replied to. Don't reply in 360 seconds? Boot! Simple. AFK miner? Too bad. AFK anything? Too bad. Sit down, pay attention. for pompous or whoever, it's pretty clear you're one of the macro/afk miner types. Your words are meaningless, arguments weak, and everything you say seems to boil down to irrelevant nonsense. Why does he have to prove it to you? Who cares what you want or think? If a player is so selfish that they can't leave a few roids for others to mine, I say kill them every chance you get. AFK/Macro or real life jerk doesn't matter. There's nothing more annoying than male, teenage idiots (e.g. pompous). Go troll somewhere else macrojerk. Don't bother replying, I could care less what you have to say.
Jak Fury does the same kind of thing in Nakugard, only AFK ratting is his thing. If anyone brings me his frozen corpse, there's 750k ISK in it for you (first corpse only). Another 750k ISK for the 1st frozen corpse of holygrelo. there's 250k for the killmail of either one, provided that Jak's ship is a battlecruiser or better and holygrelo's ship has to be a hulk. Offer expires March 31st. Eve mail me; i won't be reading this thread again. Yes. I'm an Alt. You're pretty friggin' smart. |
Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:57:00 -
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Dealing with False Face's base posturing, in no particular order:
Originally by: False Face macrojerk.
awesome. you should be a speechwriter
Quote: If a player is so selfish that they can't leave a few roids for others to mine, I say kill them every chance you get
lol what, have you seen the vast number of high sec systems withfull roid belt but no one will touch them because they're off the beaten path? I have, they're...vast
Quote: periodically ask the player a question. Don't reply in 360 seconds? Boot! Simple. AFK miner? Too bad. AFK anything? Too bad. Sit down, pay attention
Nice, how are you going to cater to people who might not happen to speak the predominant language and would therefore might be unable to answer the question in the required period of time, but who are nonetheless legitimately mining?
Quote: Why does he have to prove it to you?
Because I asked him to, you peanutjerk
Quote: There's nothing more annoying than male, teenage idiots (e.g. pompous).
I'm glad that our numerous RL meetings made an impression, as you've described me perfectly. No, really, you have
Quote: Jak Fury does the same kind of thing in Nakugard, only AFK ratting is his thing. If anyone brings me his frozen corpse, there's 750k ISK in it for you (first corpse only). Another 750k ISK for the 1st frozen corpse of holygrelo. there's 250k for the killmail of either one, provided that Jak's ship is a battlecruiser or better and holygrelo's ship has to be a hulk. Offer expires March 31st. Eve mail me; i won't be reading this thread again.
Look at your ****ty little offer, noob...I don't make pancakes for less than a million!
Quote: i won't be reading this thread again.
*Phew* Then I'm glad you won't find out that I spent last night with your (ingame) mother! That's a load off
Quote: Who cares what you want or think?
You do, you're asking me all of these goddamn questions!
Quote: Yes. I'm an Alt. You're pretty friggin' smart.
They say imitation is the highest form of flattery but im frankly revolted by this line
Yes, my name is Pompous. Yes, this has been designed for maximum deliberate effect. Sweet disclaimer eh |
Alan Calyst
Gallente Rising Ashes INC SATRAPY
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Posted - 2009.02.25 01:12:00 -
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What's the bloody point about cracking down on afk miners anyway? If CCP is gonna enforce this rule, so be it, I don't see why people need to make 2 page freakin arguements over it. Pompous, you provide good points, I quickly read it over and I don't remember any of it but oh well. False, stop being an ass, if you use a macro you're not actually getting your money's worth of the game, besides he's paying for a chance to use a macro, so again why try to crack down on it? Either way, CCP gets money regardless.
--Alan Calyst, local drone ***** .
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.25 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Alabaster I agree with the OP. We need to have CONCORD response removed entirely for anyone who's more than 1 month old and still in an NPC corp.
Hey?! Wait?!!! WHAT! NO!!!!!! NOT a kublai alt. Honest! |
Alan Calyst
Gallente Rising Ashes INC SATRAPY
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Posted - 2009.02.25 01:25:00 -
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Hurr, you didn't get the joke xD , I laugh in the face of your sillyness.
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John'eh
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.02.25 04:35:00 -
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I find all the comments about killing witches offensive and religiously discriminating and bigoted; Please stop as this is against the TOS for Eve and the forums.
As for the micro miner, we do need a way for vigilante justice. The current system favors isk sellers and people who abuse the system, this ruins the game for most of the paying customers who actually care about it. It needs to be changed. - John'eh |
Sebucus
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Posted - 2009.02.25 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Kaj it's nice to see your personality fits your name there pompus. he is a macro, and you are a moron. did you read that multiple players over multiple months have been reporting him for being on 22-23 hours a day every day.
Your statement here bothers me. This is akin to the days of old where people were burned at the stake for being a witch or defying the church. Just because a lot of people believe something, doesn't mean it's true.(religion.. can billions of people be wrong?(I had a Mormon use that line on me to attempt to convert me))
The scene from the Holy Grail comes to mind.
She's a witch, BURN HER!
But how do you know she's a witch?
She looks like one! She turned me into a newt!
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