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Haruki Yanumano
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Posted - 2012.04.25 10:08:00 -
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Hi I'm fairly new here, got a Drake and have been running l3 missions like a boss. Now I finally got the skillset for a (poor man's) entry Raven for l4 missions. Would this be a sufficient setup: (yes I know there are better setups at BattleClinic, I'm levelling towards them, but I wanna start mission-grinding as soon as possible):
[Raven, MW Raven Entry] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I Adaptive Invulnerability Field I EM Ward Amplifier II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
I know some ppl might say it's stupid to mount a MW drive, but I have found that the AI of the NPC's in l3 missions is so that you can always MW until you are out of range of the NPC's and then bombard them with missiles from long range. Works like a charm, and the NPC's mostly don't move towards you but just sit still and wait to die. Sometimes there's a stasis turret or two that you can take out really fast, so you can MW away all you want. Is this the same in l4 missions? |
Haruki Yanumano
P.H.I.J.O.N.N.A. Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.25 10:40:00 -
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Alright, I'll try it out and see how it goes. This is the setup from BattleClinic I am levelling towards, but still got quite a few skills on level 4 and/or 5 to get:
[Raven, Perfect Starter Lv4 Mission raven] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I [empty high slot]
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Haruki Yanumano
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Posted - 2012.04.25 10:47:00 -
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Thanks for the advice, dumping the 4th and 5th ballistic control unit. I guess it is more effective to be able to just sit still and tank in respects to doing missions fast and getting more isk/pr. minute (which I am of course interested in). I haven't seen any l1-3 missions where MWD's are barred, but it might be different with l4's. I'll try this setup out and see if it works, while levelling towards better tanking-skills.
EDIT: How about this setup then: (And by the way I am hesitant to populate the rig slots until I got the skills to run a really good setup, so I can compensate or strenghten relevant areas with rigs when I got access to the ship's full potential)
[Raven, MW Raven Entry 2] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I Adaptive Invulnerability Field I EM Ward Amplifier II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
When running the invulnerability field alone it is stable at 61% |
Haruki Yanumano
P.H.I.J.O.N.N.A. Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.25 11:41:00 -
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Well the passive tank has worked like a charm on my Drake in combination with the MWD - if things get too hot, I just scoot away and wait for shields to regen while I keep bombarding targets at 45-50 km. The AI and the NPC's in general in L3 missions aren't really able to counter this, because you can easily get out of range of webbing frigates and kill them off while they try to chase you. Only problem is neut and stasis towers, but they are easy kills with Heavy Missiles.
I am going to do a bit of experiment with the Raven, so I would be sad to lock it down to certain rigs right away. I got my eyes on a torpedo PVP-fit I might ultimately cross over to once I have sufficient skills, and that setup didnt use rigor rigs. Before that though I want to go try out active tanking, as most of the approved BattleClinic setups goes this way, but I am waiting until I can get T2 modules. |
Haruki Yanumano
P.H.I.J.O.N.N.A. Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.25 12:06:00 -
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Alright thanks, I am looking for input being a new player. Also is there any benefit in rigor rigs in relation to torpedos? Does it improve the ability to hit smaller targets in any significant way when using torpedos not suited for that at all to begin with?
And if I dump the "haha I am cleverer than NPC's and use a MWD to troll them" approach, would this be a decent setup to survive l4's (please have in mind that I'm working on my tanking skills):
[Raven, Non-MW Raven Entry] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Flux I Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Flux I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 5a Prototype Shield Support I EM Ward Amplifier II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
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Haruki Yanumano
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:06:00 -
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Ok so I tried the non-mwd fit, showed up at the mission spot and almost got killed even though I had booster running and everything. Then I tried out the mwd, almost got killed again but survived long enough to get to a confortable range, so my drones could kill all frigates while I shoot at the BS's. Problem is it takes me 10 minutes to kill 1 Centus Savage Lord (I timed it). Can anything be done about that, besides from spending weeks getting T2 launchers? |
Haruki Yanumano
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:21:00 -
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Alright, I'm gonna try a fourth and then get a cruise missile certificate to ensure I get the proper skills. The first 30 seconds of the mission were super dangerous, but first thing I always do is align to my home base. But now when they are at a range I got nothing to fear, my cap and shield recharges before they get into range, and then I just scoot out to longer ranges, so right now its totally safe, but it does take an awful long time killing stuff. |
Haruki Yanumano
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Posted - 2012.04.25 14:33:00 -
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Are there scrambling ships in l4 missions - ships that keep you from warping out to safety??? |
Haruki Yanumano
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Posted - 2012.04.25 15:02:00 -
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Alright thanks for all the help. I should check out the survival guide. By the way I encountered the first foe I can't kill - a tracking disrupting Centum Loyal Execrator Cruiser. My Vespa drones can't do any damage to it either:-( How much would a rigor rig help? |
Haruki Yanumano
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:37:00 -
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Hmm, got the rig and fitted mjolnir missiles, got back there and wiped out the lot. Then a bunch of battleships showed right next to me, and unfortunately there were three warp scrambling frigates in between them and I have neglected my drone skills (can only use T1's and only 3 of them) so they killed me. Lesson learned
Happy I went with platinum insurance, hehe. |
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Haruki Yanumano
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:27:00 -
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You know, I think I will go with that. The Tengu is just so expensive, but I guess it is worth the wait. Also drones. Are level 4's doable in a Tengu? |
Haruki Yanumano
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Posted - 2012.04.26 19:33:00 -
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Well my problem was the reverse, really. I didn't have skills to get T2 launchers, but enough tank (seemingly) to survive, so I tried to counter the low damage by having loads of extra damage modules, even though they got heavily penalized. Sort of worked until I got killed of course:-)
Anyways, I have been thinking if anyone could give me advice on what to do? I have been mission running to make my ISK, but to get a Nightmare or something like that I have to be level 3 mission running from now until christmas to make the ISK. So what should I do if I want to able to run level 4's solo as soon as possible, so I can get a bit of a bump up on my isk/hour?
I got some shield tanking skills, missile skills and can pilot Caldari battleships. What ship would be good to get/level towards if the emphasis is on being able to solo level 4's as soon as possible?
A Tengu would take me a month + a couple of months running L3 missions, so I am looking for something that will do the job, but requiring a smaller investment and time to get a proper skill set for. |
Haruki Yanumano
P.H.I.J.O.N.N.A. Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.26 21:36:00 -
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Thanks, and I got to focus on active shield tanking rather than passive as I have gotten used to on the Drake right?
Edit: This is the setup I thought I would go by if I get back into a Raven, and it doesn't have any particular means to counter frigates, save for drones. Is this reliable vs. scrambling frigates?
[Raven, Perfect Starter Lv4 Mission raven] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Kinetic Deflection Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I Small Tractor Beam I Empty
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II Hobgoblin IIL |
Haruki Yanumano
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Posted - 2012.04.27 00:30:00 -
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I really appreciate all the help, as Eve is a bit of a jungle and is best "learned by doing" in my experience, but that soon proves costly. I listened to the feedback and came up with an unorthodox setup I can actually fly, but wont until I get T2 drones. Would this be able to do L4's?
[Raven, Perfect Starter Lv4 Mission raven alternate] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
100MN Afterburner I Caldari Navy EM Ward Field Caldari Navy Thermic Dissipation Field X-Large Shield Booster II Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile Imperial Navy Focused Medium Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Imperial Navy Focused Medium Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I [Empty Rig Slot]
With my skills I get:
50,947 EHP 230 m/s 350/417 defence (not really sure what that means) EM resist: 59.7% Thermal resist: 67.8% Kinetic resist: 46.3% Explosive resist: 55.3% 302 DPS / 2993 Volley using launchers 38 DPS / 145 Volley using the lasers, and they are only there to assist drones in taking out frigates (I use another ship for salvage/loot) Cap stable at 45% when not running lasers, cap booster and shield booster.
I know hybrid turrets would be better as "emergency turrets", but I like lasers and I was thinking I could just keep feeding this ship Cap Booster 800's - is that viable for missions? And if so, perhaps I should forget about the two cap recharge rigs altogether? |
Haruki Yanumano
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:00:00 -
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Admittedly I am very impatient, but it is because l3's dont pose any challenge to me at all in the Drake. I have 10 different setups and pwn everything with HAM's, heavy missiles, passive tanking, MWD's, you name it. So missioning is getting quite tedious and I would like to bump up the challenge a little, unfortunately there's quite some difference between L3's and L4's so I am sort of stuck/getting tired of playing. So it is of great importance to me to be able to take on L4's as soon as possible, without of course those missions being pure suicide. |
Haruki Yanumano
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Posted - 2012.04.27 13:26:00 -
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Thanks, that's a useful site - I was using mission-specific hardners before, but used NPC info from Evelopedia. This is far more detailed. I just got a few more questions then I think I will be on my way to a succesful Eve-experience:
Will the last output I posted above be sufficient for L4's? Specifically:
1. Will I be able to sufficiently counter scrambling frigates with 5 T2 drones and drone support skills at level IV plus the two lasers? Not using the cruiser launchers and getting rigor rigs for frigates at all.
2. Can I just spam the cap booster all I want so I can keep the shield booster running with no drawback except from spending a bit of isk on Cap Booster 800's? |
Haruki Yanumano
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Posted - 2012.04.29 12:50:00 -
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The reason I am hesitant to do L4's in my Drake is that it is passive tanked - I dont have a "panic button" like the Cap booster/shield booster solution. Don't know if this really makes a difference when playing, but in my mind it does.
I decided I am going for a Raven now and do L3's, so I can compare it to the Drake and get a feel of just how hard frigates are to hit with the cruise missile launchers (with 2 x rigor and 1 x flare rigs), while upping my drone skills. And I am going to fit the two lasers because frankly I don't have anything else to fit there, and I reckon everything helps vs. frigates - I mean it is either that or nothing on those two slots, and I already have the needed skills, so why not. At least for now, perhaps I'll get a drone augmentor or something later on if I can fit it.
But thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it. |
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