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Tsobai Hashimoto
Sturmgrenadier Inc Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:39:00 -
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Dethl0k wrote:To be honest I dont know if it was a good move or not, Im not a game deisigner but all i know is me and my buddys would run incursions once week to fund our mains and not at this rate ill have to do PVE non stop to be able to afford my loses screw that id rather just get back into BF3 or something
How many losses are you getting?
Move into SOV 0.0, you will get as much PVP as you can ever ask for and CAs still pull 50-60m an hour for me and im not even in the most shinny ship or duel boxing
Some pilots i know who duel box nightmares make around 75-90m isk an hour, they can do it whenever they want, no groups, no moving around the universe, run CAs for a night, pulling half a billion, PVP for two weeks, repeat
its not all that hard
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Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
479
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:01:00 -
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/forever alone in an anom I have more space likes than you.-á |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:04:00 -
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Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Dethl0k wrote:To be honest I dont know if it was a good move or not, Im not a game deisigner but all i know is me and my buddys would run incursions once week to fund our mains and not at this rate ill have to do PVE non stop to be able to afford my loses screw that id rather just get back into BF3 or something How many losses are you getting? Move into SOV 0.0, you will get as much PVP as you can ever ask for and CAs still pull 50-60m an hour for me and im not even in the most shinny ship or duel boxing Some pilots i know who duel box nightmares make around 75-90m isk an hour, they can do it whenever they want, no groups, no moving around the universe, run CAs for a night, pulling half a billion, PVP for two weeks, repeat its not all that hard
The problem i have encountered with NULL is the logistics if you are not a capital pilot. yes they all say.. join us and we will help move stuff, but that doesn't really happen. I just left Nulli, and to join any fleet you need to have a fleet fit, which is understandable, but to be forced to pay 120mil for a geddon hull is crazy. I have done more PVP with the crew I fly incursions with than I have in months in null, 200 man blobs I do not consider PVP. The change to incursions means that instead of using T2 and BS for our roams we will probably start using T1 cruiser an maybe BC's.
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Tsobai Hashimoto
Sturmgrenadier Inc Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:26:00 -
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drdxie wrote:Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:Dethl0k wrote:To be honest I dont know if it was a good move or not, Im not a game deisigner but all i know is me and my buddys would run incursions once week to fund our mains and not at this rate ill have to do PVE non stop to be able to afford my loses screw that id rather just get back into BF3 or something How many losses are you getting? Move into SOV 0.0, you will get as much PVP as you can ever ask for and CAs still pull 50-60m an hour for me and im not even in the most shinny ship or duel boxing Some pilots i know who duel box nightmares make around 75-90m isk an hour, they can do it whenever they want, no groups, no moving around the universe, run CAs for a night, pulling half a billion, PVP for two weeks, repeat its not all that hard The problem i have encountered with NULL is the logistics if you are not a capital pilot. yes they all say.. join us and we will help move stuff, but that doesn't really happen. I just left Nulli, and to join any fleet you need to have a fleet fit, which is understandable, but to be forced to pay 120mil for a geddon hull is crazy. I have done more PVP with the crew I fly incursions with than I have in months in null, 200 man blobs I do not consider PVP. The change to incursions means that instead of using T2 and BS for our roams we will probably start using T1 cruiser an maybe BC's.
The way mineral prices are moving we all better get used to paying 120mill for Geddons Hulls
There is some decent small gang pvp to be found in SOV, but it is more large fleet battles
either way, there is isk to be found
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Razor Rocker
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.04.26 05:47:00 -
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I agree incursions should have been nerfed, the isk/hr was excessive, but I do not agree with the double nerf. Having an increased spawn or a reduced payout per site made sense, but not both
Some also say that only HS incursions should have been nerfed. There is an assumption that doing a PvE activity in HS is risk-free. Not sure about others, but I feel more safe flying billion isk ships in some null sec regions than I do in HS. I know this is region specific, but all null sec alliances have intel channels so the only way to die while ratting in null is to die while traveling, being too drunk, getting awoxed or just being daft
To be honest I don't think nerfing incursions will have such a large impact that everyone seems to think. Mineral prices will not be falling, nor will there be a large amount of subscriptions lost
I will however be closing one of my accounts. Yes I can PvE to make enough to PLEX all my accounts, but PvE in this game is amazingly boring. The only reason I did incursions to the extent that I did was because of the people. It was one of the few times that the corp/alliance someone was apart of didn't matter. It was nice being able to fly with reds, and blues alike and not care. But this social engagement only goes so far, in the end PvP is much more interesting so no matter how nice it was to fly with all those new people, I try to keep my PvE to a minimum. Personally I'll be going to null to rat.
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AstarothPrime
Eternal Profiteers Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.04.26 07:10:00 -
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If you ask me - it was ABOUT TIME !!!
Nullsec was empty of any ratters / explorers / gank targets as of incursions.
IMO this move will prevent plex prices rising due to new ISK faucet in drones and fill low and null a little more so that it isnt so horrifically empty.
I. |
gfldex
493
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Posted - 2012.04.26 07:45:00 -
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Scerwup wrote:Am I going to be the only one left playing EvE at all?
You and the guy whose alts we are. Or is that you too?
When someone burns down your sandcaste, bring sausages. |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
519
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Posted - 2012.04.26 08:38:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:People seem to be forgetting that there is an incoming nerf that's going to affect L4 missions as well.
CCP is dialing down the highsec isk fountains. This really surprises you guys?
Bounty nerf is widescale, not just highsec. Selective reading really doesn't do you favours
Besides considering minerals are now far more valuable and mission runners can reprocess their stuff for a ton more isk, it'll balance out the income.
That and Soundwave said it's something they're considering, not necessarily something they're planning to do. Enjoy your gaming.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:12:00 -
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Angel Lust wrote:It was fun as long as it lasted.... I am back to lvl4's now... (and some mining) Mutch easyer.... dont have to move long distances , wait for hours in waitingsquads and... lvl4's gives allmost the same isk now...
It was fun & CCCP made thier game boring for far too many with the incompetant NERF IMHO... I'm going to specd the next 2 weeks deciding if I should unsub for an extended period like I did after the Incarna debacle To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Templar Nato
Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:16:00 -
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nahjustwarpin wrote:Dethl0k wrote:Everyone is back to missioning and that is so boring. You are gonna lose alot of subscriptions on this move. Not even shiny pilots can find a fleet how do you think the guy in the hyperion is doin finding a fleet, you ruined the only group PVE that was halfway enjoyable. You think people are gonna back to missioning after making incursion isk? no they will just quit. you should have nerfed a little at a time but this was way to extreme. No one can find a fleet how are we supposed to keep our mains in ships if we cant make isk on our ALTS you killed it i like the part, where you say, that incursion runners pay for subscriptions.
I pay (with a CC) for 5 Eve subscriptions and I run incursions. What's your point? |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:23:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Quote:This will force the FC to use the shinest fleets to make up for a player loss. Or the big boys will run to level 4's and give newer people a better chance of being picked. Only time will tell
So you're saying that the design goal of Incursions should be, "Spit out such a stupidly high amount of ISK that incursion runners don't give a **** about optimizing their ISK/hour".
Nope he's saying that CCP is cutting out alot of people that actually help others in the game mutually expect to see newbie subscriptions plummet CCP GJ on further alienation To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Templar Nato
Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:25:00 -
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AstarothPrime wrote:If you ask me - it was ABOUT TIME !!!
Nullsec was empty of any ratters / explorers / gank targets as of incursions.
IMO this move will prevent plex prices rising due to new ISK faucet in drones and fill low and null a little more so that it isnt so horrifically empty.
I.
LOL, you seriously think that? There were maybe 400 people in 3x incursion constellations in high sec at any given time during busier hours, so a total of about 1200 players. You're going to try and tell me that was 'all the people in null sec'?
1200 players in Incursion constellations, assuming they were actually all running the sites and not docked/ AFK (which is unlikely), is about 3% of online players.
Next argument please. |
xVx dreadnaught
The Dude's Interstellar Enterprizes Quixotic Hegemony
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:36:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Katarina Reid wrote:Dethl0k wrote:Everyone is back to missioning and that is so boring. You think people are gonna back to missioning after making incursion isk? no they will just quit. so are people back to missions or are they quiting? there is another question: were those people in Eve BEFORE incursion is born? If they already played Eve then why will they leave? If those people only joined Eve to run incursions then..... noone will miss them i guess
I've been playing since 2004... but last year I went back to college to continue my studies after a long break from education. This meant I've been on a lower income for a while and am currently not wanting to prioritise funds to playing online games. I enjoyed incursions because it gave me the chance to pay for eve with in game isk by only allocating a day or so to keep both my accounts active. If I can't find a way to keep my accounts active I won't be able to pay for it.
As incursions stand it would take me about 4 days to plex the accounts for a month. That is if the current incursion community stays as strong as it is and I'm able to FC Vanguard fleets as often.
I enjoy doing Assault sites and HQ sites also... but I don't think they will be forming as much either since they are being crippled also. |
July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:22:00 -
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What I heared is, that the payout in Assault fleets is still above 100 mil/h. Stop whining |
Kodavor
Mine3
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:29:00 -
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Go and confirm it please . How many people earn those 100mil/hr ? |
IMeres
Hellfire Heavy Industries
8
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:35:00 -
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Kodavor wrote:Go and confirm it please . How many people earn those 100mil/hr ?
Even if the sustained income of constantly running assaults in a good fleet was over 100 mil/hour, the smaller number of sites, leading to more contesting and the time needed to assemble and maintain a 20 man fleet will most likely insure the actual isk/hr doesn't even come close to that.
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Anzsi
Rosa Alba Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:52:00 -
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wohoo finally incursion-nerf come
Dont change that anymore. High sec carebear want allways easy isk and finally now they have to risk something if they want isk
Moar low sec moar null null and moar Providence-boost :)
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Katy Ling
Crimnson Concept Flame Flaming Nebula
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:56:00 -
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July Oumis wrote:What I heared is, that the payout in Assault fleets is still above 100 mil/h. Stop whining
you heard wrong ... a big chunk of that time is spent waiting to have a full grid of active fleet members ... then,, after running a site or 2, someone leaves and they have to spend another hour or 2, waiting to replace a few other ...
one big aspect of incursions, that is so overlooked, is that you need to conciliate different people's time zone and availability, to have the necessary pilots in that role
people hallways wined about how much isk others where doing, but never took in consideration how much fleets had to sit still, waiting for a logi or a fc, not doing anything else but chit chatting.
incursions were already nerfed due to player over contest or logi / DPS/ fc availability / bottlenecks and fleets having to sit in they're ass, waiting for considerable time.
IMeres wrote:Kodavor wrote:Go and confirm it please . How many people earn those 100mil/hr ? Even if the sustained income of constantly running assaults in a good fleet was over 100 mil/hour, the smaller number of sites, leading to more contesting and the time needed to assemble and maintain a 20 man fleet will most likely insure the actual isk/hr doesn't even come close to that.
Exactly |
Olivia Hume
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.04.26 13:23:00 -
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Katy Ling wrote:
you heard wrong ... a big chunk of that time is spent waiting to have a full grid of active fleet members ... then,, after running a site or 2, someone leaves and they have to spend another hour or 2, waiting to replace a few other ...
It's the same for other PvE activities in LS, NS and W-space. To do anything valuable, you need to wait for a fleet to form up. And unlike HS incursion, you can only rely on your corp mates.
In ws-space, until enough corp mates are only, you can sit at a pos, run anoms in low class system, mine or harvest cheap gas. I am guessing it is the same in NS - unless you can rat in titan, you need a fleet to run valuable plex. |
Miss Yanumano
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.26 13:26:00 -
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Olivia Hume wrote:Katy Ling wrote:
you heard wrong ... a big chunk of that time is spent waiting to have a full grid of active fleet members ... then,, after running a site or 2, someone leaves and they have to spend another hour or 2, waiting to replace a few other ...
It's the same for other PvE activities in LS, NS and W-space. To do anything valuable, you need to wait for a fleet to form up. And unlike HS incursion, you can only rely on your corp mates. In ws-space, until enough corp mates are only, you can sit at a pos, run anoms in low class system, mine or harvest cheap gas. I am guessing it is the same in NS - unless you can rat in titan, you need a fleet to run valuable plex.
A maximum pimped out Nightmare fleet (50Bn+ fleet) MIGHT get at best, 80M/h in Null/Low doing Assault sites, they're not going to replace Vanguards at all. |
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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.04.26 13:40:00 -
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the wait is most likely due to not having FC's. I was watching the channels last night and there were tons of people trying to get into fleets On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.26 14:23:00 -
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You guys count the 2500 ISK/ LP when you do Incursion sites? i saw of people converting to CN LP to buy Ammo off it. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.04.26 15:00:00 -
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lol look at all these incursion 120 mil per hour isk addicts crying about their income... about damn time it got nerft CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Razor Rocker
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.04.26 15:03:00 -
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Anzsi wrote:wohoo finally incursion-nerf come
Dont change that anymore. High sec carebear want allways easy isk and finally now they have to risk something if they want isk
Moar low sec moar null null and moar Providence-boost :)
I love these cookie cutter arguments that require no thought.
Some seem not to understand that by nerfing highsec, many will still not go to null. If people don't want to be somewhere, then they simply wont go there. Others especially will not move to null, now that they can not afford their loses. Some alliances after all do not have ship replacement programs, and others, even some of the major alliances, have restrictive ship replacement programs.
And for those that say null is empty: well I think you are simply in the wrong region, or your alliance has set so many people blue that you have to travel vast distances to get a fight. In either case you've the tools to change things. You can reset standings or deploy. People that say there are no fights in null are under rocks, in back ally systems probably running anoms.
Instead of asking for changes to incursions, or other PvE activities, I for one hope that CCP comes out with another lucrative group PvE activity, something new and fresh, that is decently entertaining, requires friends to work together and provide enough ISK that it isn't a waste of time. |
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ISD LoneLynx
Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.04.26 21:10:00 -
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Ranting, no content
Locked. ISD LoneLynx Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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