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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:26:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I would feel like they got what was coming to them. If you **** people over constantly you can only expect to be dicked back. I doubt GS would be disbanded for anything stated in the OP. All of that is part of the sandbox which CCP prides themselves on. If anything GS would be banned for things that publicly humiliate CCP or for real life threats in game...things like that.
please keep bitterposting about us because we kicked own alliance out of deklein lol eh |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
461
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:27:00 -
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Ank Parkor wrote:This is not needed and not wanted. Each of their actions can be easily countered by CCP. Concord reaction time can be lowered, this awesome idea could be applied, or technetium could be easier to obtain. Goons just play the game. If CCP thinks they are ruling EVE they can resolve this without needing to disband the corp. "3.0 to shoot first at players having a bounty on their head. "
That would be great! Finally a way to reach out and ~touch~ NPC corp alts. Toss a bounty on them and shoot away. Do bounties need you to pod them to? Because that would be excellent ~~ Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Hroya
36
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:27:00 -
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What's in a name ? What has been made once, can be made again.
Besides, Goons create player content wether you like it or not. But that isnt limited to only goons though. If CCP would perform such an act ( chance is smaller then finding an honest politician ) it would disrupt gamecontent and that is like shooting your own foot. You go your corridor but. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
461
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:27:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:please keep bitterposting about us because we kicked own alliance out of deklein lol Who's own alliance? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Jandice Ymladris
Perkone Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:28:00 -
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While Goons are far from favored by all, such action by CCP would be frowned upon to say the least. It would kill the motivation of any large alliance to do somehting major like attempting to monopolize a resource or try & control most of Nullsec. As far as I know, only one alliance/corporation ever had direct ingame CCP-approved action taken against them, and it backfired greatly on CCP (look up MoO for the intrested)
It's as stated above, Eve is a sandbox, a place where people set their own goals, as long as at it doesnt' collide with the walls of the sandbox (the rules). And as in any sandbox, not everyone will play by what you like, so either adapt, or move to a place where they don't bother you (Eve is huge, really, plenty of places where Goons don't ever come, and are nothing but tales of a far away region) |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
715
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:29:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? If CCP disbanded goons I would eagerly await the formation of our new overlords, the Gounswarm Federeration.
Upon their disbanding I am certain the Guneswarm Federation would be equally as successful, repeat ad nauseam until CCP surrender.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:31:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:please keep bitterposting about us because we kicked own alliance out of deklein lol Who's own alliance?
old TCF pets that GSF adopted after the deklein handover
they were caught skimming technetium ISK and punted to the drone regions eh |
Mark Androcius
47
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:31:00 -
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Lol, butf*cked to be honest, they can never have a monopoly, certainly not on technetium, so if they only had the largest share, they could dictate the price and it would suit me beautifully. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
247
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:33:00 -
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Well, maybe CCP can add more CONTENT to make it more challenging to hold a large dominance with an alliance?
But hey its CCP we're talking about, no real content :) Usually 1) half finished 2) half thought out 3) unbalanced 4) boring after zero day. Reminds me of Commodore's final days. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1569
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:36:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:please keep bitterposting about us because we kicked own alliance out of deklein lol Who's own alliance? old TCF pets that GSF adopted after the deklein handover they were caught skimming technetium ISK and punted to the drone regions lol...ignorance always makes for amusing bad posting. At least you got the "handover" part of it right. It's not like Goonswarm earned anything they have in Deklein.
What OWN Alliance leaders did with Tech ISK was up to them. They decided to build stations and refund capital ship losses witn it and TEST decided to be trolls. GSF kicked us out because we refused to accept your idiotic demands of giving full API keys of every player in OWN to GSF.
Take your ignorance elsewhere little bee drone. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
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Barakkus
1531
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:36:00 -
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I may not like goons, but it would be grounds to quit, just because disbanding them as punishment for playing the game within current game mechanics would be bullshit. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1569
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:41:00 -
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I wouldn't quit if they disbanded Goons. It wouldn't effect me. Again...if they did disband Goons, it wouldn't be for Tech monopolization or Jita interdiction. It would be for doing truly bad things like threatening peoples lives. This entire thread is pointless as CCP won't take any action on something that is clearly part of the sandbox. Start breaking rules that have impacts outside the game and CCP would have to take some kind of action just like they did with Mittani.
Its like fantasizing about sleeping with a supermodel. You can have the fantasy but it isn't going to happen. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:42:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:please keep bitterposting about us because we kicked own alliance out of deklein lol Who's own alliance? old TCF pets that GSF adopted after the deklein handover they were caught skimming technetium ISK and punted to the drone regions lol...ignorance always makes for amusing bad posting. At least you got the "handover" part of it right. It's not like Goonswarm earned anything they have in Deklein. What OWN Alliance leaders did with Tech ISK was up to them. They decided to build stations and refund capital ship losses witn it and TEST decided to be trolls. GSF kicked us out because we refused to accept your idiotic demands of giving full API keys of every player in OWN to GSF. Take your ignorance elsewhere little bee drone.
"yo give us a director API for your wallet corp" is not "give us the full API of every member of your awful alliance"
also lol "drone" eh |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1381
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:47:00 -
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Burn Jita will be temporary. The death squads will be hilarious. Only the tech monopoly would be a concern for me, and I don't think it could stand because either a major coalition would liberate quite a few tech moons or CCP would finally rebalance tech so that it's not such a bottleneck to T2. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Cpt Arareb
Ideal Machine Many Reckless Corps
14
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:54:00 -
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indiferent.. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
247
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:55:00 -
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Only one thing can solve this, Tech needs to be moved to highsec :) |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:57:00 -
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All ccp have to do is completely nerf tech moon's from the production of T2, problem solved.
As for jita
Joke, no one cares.
And the death squads
Just mercs in another format, no one cares.
Just let mittani stroke his ego along with his pedo beard. All this is, is him tossing his toys out of the pram cos he didn't get his way.
Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography Seventh Sanctum.
57
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:58:00 -
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Tinnin Sylph wrote:I'd kill myself IRL..
~Deal with it~ |
TRUE ZER0
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:59:00 -
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indifferent |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3511
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:04:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
It would be an appalling violation of the sandbox and totally pandering to a bunch of whiners crying for mommy GMs to do what they're too lazy or too timid to do themselves.
People tend to forget that there's no rule that says they have to like you or even pretend to. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Dragon Outlaw
The Scope Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:09:00 -
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Can I say something even if I am in an NPC corp atm? |
Mara Villoso
Big Box The Toy Box
68
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:09:00 -
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Sooner or later, CCP is going to have to come to grips with the "sandbox." If all content is player driven, then all content is player controlled. They can't let their game and their business be held hostage by a subgroup capable of manipulating the entire market, industrial base, and player experience. While I'm sure they'd like to pretend that all that is necessary is occasional refereeing, its clear its going to take more than that to keep the game experience legitimate.
Consider the Goons farming of miners. They build the ships and sell them, they gank them, repeat. An entire profession has been turned into a mini-game where the miner is little more than an NPC. Nothing outwardly wrong with that. All within the rules. Frankly, its also a thing of certain beauty. However, its a slap in the face to the relevant playerbase that they've become a toy for another human being. Its not so much about PvP and blowing things up and don't fly what you can't... or any of that. This is a problem at the meta-level. Players and organizations that thrive on the idea of making other people miserable can be relied on to make people miserable. Miserable people don't want to pay for that experience, so they won't. The further this goes and the more obvious the manipulation becomes, the more people will realize that they are playing a game where the cards are stacked against them and the less likely they are to continue playing. If I were the paranoid type, I would think it pretty obvious that some people are doing what they're doing for precisely that reason. They're playing EVE at a whole different level; they're playing against Hilmar.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:12:00 -
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My apologies to all. i believe in my initial post I used a specific example to start this discussion that some may have felt was a specific request. I was interested more in people's opinions on what is too much direct action by CCP in the sandbox. I am not specifically requesting the disband of goons. Again, my apologies. |
Kibbolski
Terra Rosa Militia SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:18:00 -
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If they disbanded Goons (or any other alliance for that matter) for doing things perfectly legal within the game, then I'd feel it's time to unsub. |
Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen Cobalt Holdings Coalition
213
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:21:00 -
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Why did I just read three pages of whining? Oh wait... Duality is patching still... Either way, save your whining until you get your dumb ass podded on the 28th E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us
Heil Hizzle Mein Nizzles. |
TWHC Assistant
2
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:26:00 -
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Terrible.
What people do not seem to get is that the high price of Technetium is primarily caused by people fighting over it, but not by controlling it. The fighting over a rare resource it what creates the biggest cost. By controlling Technetium can one maximize its output, flood the market with it and lower its price while still making a profit.
I would very much like to see them try before I judge them. |
Mara Villoso
Big Box The Toy Box
69
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:29:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:What people do not seem to get is that the high price of Technetium is primarily caused by people fighting over it, but not by controlling it. You must be crazy. Two people competing with one another to sell an item they both have leads to competitive pricing. Cartels control the price for the purpose of raising it. In fact, the announcement of OTEC says EXACTLY THAT. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1940
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:53:00 -
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Something to consider.
Eve certainly is a sandbox but its not just a sandbox. It has a backstory, npc empires, history and all kinds of make-believe set dressing that help people suspend their disbelief and get involved with the grand space opera goings on. If it was just a sandbox you'd have 5000 empty systems for players to do what they will in and not much else.
Now the reason that the goons (or anyone else) can pull off an event that will lead to the screaming and wailing and gnashing of teeth of the empire dwellers is that there is an empire space - there is an area of Eve that has some protection against nihilistic destruction cults in Null. If that area wasn't there you wouldn't have the carebears to terrify in the first place.
My position on all this is that it would be sad and rubbish for CCP to ban the goons over this kind of thing. But it would be perfectly fair for CCP to roleplay some kind of consequence as a result of this.
Jita is the biggest trading hub in Eve and commercial capital of the caldari state. Is it that much of a stretch to believe that the npc leaders of the caldari state might set Goonswarm -10 for the duration? Or that Concord itself might respond to a weekends slaughter by globally setting all members of goonswawm -10 for a month as punishment.
It seems to me that Mittani through goonswarm is setting himself up for a massive pissing match with CCP through the medium of Jita burning and he's stacking the deck. If CCP do nothing he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do anything) and if CCP do something then he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do nothing).
But what would be a reasonable response from CCP is to simply roleplay the responses of the NPC empires that are impacted by this kind of thing.
A few years ago my own corporation got involved with a small event run by CCP that ended up with us firing on a couple of event actors flying Mordu's Legion merc cruisers defending a Sisters of Eve convoy. The event actors at the time got furious with us and promised consequences which they duly delivered. For the next three years Star Fraction was officially set -5 by Mordu's Legion. That ruled out missioning in pureblind and messed about with refine efficiency and all that jazz. But it was cool. We did an in game action (executing a mordu's commander guy) and we were prepared to take the consequence.
Goonswarm is an organization hundreds of times bigger than SF ever was. Its capability to mess with the server is far greater than our alliance could dream of. But I see no reason why it should be above consequences for messing with the sovereign space of npc empires.
Best outcome is that Goonswarm get to burn jita to their heart's content and then the event team work out an appropriate sanction in roleplay terms to demonstrate there is a consequence to attacking the biggest trading hub in Eve.
But if the Goons were then to howl and shout and call foul play over it.
Well, then we'd know who the real carebears of Eve actually were.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Pyrus Octavius
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
22
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:55:00 -
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I would feel really good if CCP Bio massed the OP. That would make me feel real good. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:01:00 -
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Pyrus Octavius wrote:I would feel really good if CCP Bio massed the OP. That would make me feel real good.
Why? |
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