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TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:48:00 -
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Mara Villoso wrote:You completely misunderstood both OTEC and my comment. OTEC is not just Goonswarm, so the competition that might have been experienced by GSF selling against whoever else would have lead to price declines as they competed for the market. This is economics 101. The Cartel's STATED PURPOSE (srsly did you read it) is to raise the prices. No. Goons have been trolling EVE from the start, you are being paranoid and you judge before anything has happened. You might try reading Life 101, if there is such a thing. |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
11
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:53:00 -
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In theory big alliance with super coordination may destroy any online game, espetialy while some alliances got 8000+ members and 100+ corporation inside ally, but in fact, 50%-60% characters in GF are alts so they have max 4000+ active members with a lot casuals etc, but only in theory, in reality is not possible to control or destroy big online game like EvE because EvE mechanic and economy it self may defend alone withaut CCP nterfere.
EvE is sandbox but mass persecution or grief in large scale is not alowed , is like smartbombing newbis area where newbis start, is hard to define grief in EvE, because action like hulkagedon are legit
Some Definition of grief for wiki
"Blocking another player's way so they cannot move or get out of a particular area, or access an in-game resource (such as a non-player character.
Wikipedia definition of Griefing.
" Blocking another player's way so they cannot move or get out of a particular area, or access an in-game resource (such as a non-player character)"
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Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:53:00 -
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How would I feel? I would probably feel something best described as relief followed by jubilation at not having to play EVE anymore. However, I doubt CCP would be so merciful. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1431
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:02:00 -
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I would bow down to their sheer awesomeness.
And the rats would flee from the sinking ship and join other groups.
CCP would retain a vast majority of former goon accounts and all will be right in the world. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
387
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:05:00 -
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I would have no strong feelings one way or the other. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:05:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
ambivalently |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
138
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:21:00 -
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Justice Comes wrote:VaMei wrote:That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on. Confucius says, "Even a sandbox has walls." Indeed it does. CCP makes the walls, they us where they are, and they tell us not to touch them. So long as we stay inside those walls we're allowed, even encouraged, to do whatever the mechanics of the game will allow.
Whether you want to build castles or kick them down and throw sand in everyone's face, as long as you don't touch the walls, you're doing it right. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
465
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:23:00 -
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.Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies. No, you don't have to be sorry, all the forum-goers would love a CCP button push of some sort. Apologizing for thinking that will discredit you in the eyes of EVE-O. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Ai Shun
741
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:25:00 -
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VaMei wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on.
Pretty much this. The Goons play EVE very well. They may be reviled, they may be excellent villains, but they really do play EVE to the max. They get it and any heavy handed attempts to remove them would ruin the concept of the game for me. EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
58
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:49:00 -
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Justice Comes wrote:VaMei wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on. Confucius says, "Even a sandbox has walls." The sahara desert has no walls. |
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Brom MkLeith
Epsilon Inc STORM.
18
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:10:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
I would not want to see CCP disband ANY alliance or corp out of hand. I don't like the goonies and their cyberbully ways. But that's no reason to bring out the ban hammer. The goonies and their fuehrer are simply meta gamers who will push and push until the game mechanics are changed to mitigate their effects. It's not a game breaker, it's evolution. Hopefully it fixes some of the holes in this game and makes it better. (Uh oh.... I think I just gave the goonies credit for making EvE a better game.) But CCP has to put on their big girl panties and make tough but solid decisions that will help this game grow out of the douchebag image that it's gaining.
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
294
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:17:00 -
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Wouldn't matter to me in the slightest.
The beauty of a true sandbox is that no one entity is strictly necessary for this game to function, despite deluding themselves otherwise. The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:26:00 -
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IMO forum threads about goons (created by non-goons) are most overestimated threads on this forum. And OP is not helping at all. Since there is more chance that CCP recolor space in shades of pink... in which case there should be some reason to worry... ...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |
Ai Shun
745
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:26:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:The sahara desert has no walls.
The Atlantic, Suez Canal, bits of Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco and Chad, Sudan, etc. all seem like bits where the Sahara ends in a "wall" ...
EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
707
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:36:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Just build a bigger Goon to beat them.
^ This.
And rebuild is exactly what we would do, btw, if CCP ever lost their goddamned minds and tried to violate the sandbox to appease a bunch of morons who can't stand the game enough to play it themselves. We'd reform immediately under a very similar name, reclaim our space over a long weekend, and would never let CCP forget it.
IS it just me or are all these anti-Goon threads turning into outright wankfests? Try reading the op's post in a breathless voice. It's sick. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
88
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:40:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
why bother answering questions that are make believe? you might as well ask what would you do if CCP added a flying gryphon mount to the game.
It's not going to happen.. the only reason they would do anything is if they preceived that Goons are breaking the Eula.. or after the fact they may make balancing changes to the game if they preceive there a balance problem with something the Goons try that hasn't been done before..
So why ask this question? are you trying to gin up bad feelings for CCP? not a good idea. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
707
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:41:00 -
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While a flying gryphon mount is stupid, I wouldn't mind to be able to ride my Rifter like Dr. Strangelove while ship spinning. |
Runar Hawk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:45:00 -
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what a ******** thread |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
955
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:47:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Something to consider. Eve certainly is a sandbox but its not just a sandbox. It has a backstory, npc empires, history and all kinds of make-believe set dressing that help people suspend their disbelief and get involved with the grand space opera goings on. If it was just a sandbox you'd have 5000 empty systems for players to do what they will in and not much else. Now the reason that the goons (or anyone else) can pull off an event that will lead to the screaming and wailing and gnashing of teeth of the empire dwellers is that there is an empire space - there is an area of Eve that has some protection against nihilistic destruction cults in Null. If that area wasn't there you wouldn't have the carebears to terrify in the first place. My position on all this is that it would be sad and rubbish for CCP to ban the goons over this kind of thing. But it would be perfectly fair for CCP to roleplay some kind of consequence as a result of this. Jita is the biggest trading hub in Eve and commercial capital of the caldari state. Is it that much of a stretch to believe that the npc leaders of the caldari state might set Goonswarm -10 for the duration? Or that Concord itself might respond to a weekends slaughter by globally setting all members of goonswawm -10 for a month as punishment. It seems to me that Mittani through goonswarm is setting himself up for a massive pissing match with CCP through the medium of Jita burning and he's stacking the deck. If CCP do nothing he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do anything) and if CCP do something then he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do nothing). But what would be a reasonable response from CCP is to simply roleplay the responses of the NPC empires that are impacted by this kind of thing. A few years ago my own corporation got involved with a small event run by CCP that ended up with us firing on a couple of event actors flying Mordu's Legion merc cruisers defending a Sisters of Eve convoy. The event actors at the time got furious with us and promised consequences which they duly delivered. For the next three years Star Fraction was officially set -5 by Mordu's Legion. That ruled out missioning in pureblind and messed about with refine efficiency and all that jazz. But it was cool. We did an in game action (executing a mordu's commander guy) and we were prepared to take the consequence. Goonswarm is an organization hundreds of times bigger than SF ever was. Its capability to mess with the server is far greater than our alliance could dream of. But I see no reason why it should be above consequences for messing with the sovereign space of npc empires. Best outcome is that Goonswarm get to burn jita to their heart's content and then the event team work out an appropriate sanction in roleplay terms to demonstrate there is a consequence to attacking the biggest trading hub in Eve. But if the Goons were then to howl and shout and call foul play over it. Well, then we'd know who the real carebears of Eve actually were.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1061
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:51:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? How would I view something that can't possibly happen ? The same way I view all the other things that can't possibly happen. With indifference. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |
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Dungar's Sister
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:53:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Something to consider. Eve certainly is a sandbox but its not just a sandbox. It has a backstory, npc empires, history and all kinds of make-believe set dressing that help people suspend their disbelief and get involved with the grand space opera goings on. If it was just a sandbox you'd have 5000 empty systems for players to do what they will in and not much else. Now the reason that the goons (or anyone else) can pull off an event that will lead to the screaming and wailing and gnashing of teeth of the empire dwellers is that there is an empire space - there is an area of Eve that has some protection against nihilistic destruction cults in Null. If that area wasn't there you wouldn't have the carebears to terrify in the first place. My position on all this is that it would be sad and rubbish for CCP to ban the goons over this kind of thing. But it would be perfectly fair for CCP to roleplay some kind of consequence as a result of this. Jita is the biggest trading hub in Eve and commercial capital of the caldari state. Is it that much of a stretch to believe that the npc leaders of the caldari state might set Goonswarm -10 for the duration? Or that Concord itself might respond to a weekends slaughter by globally setting all members of goonswawm -10 for a month as punishment. It seems to me that Mittani through goonswarm is setting himself up for a massive pissing match with CCP through the medium of Jita burning and he's stacking the deck. If CCP do nothing he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do anything) and if CCP do something then he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do nothing). But what would be a reasonable response from CCP is to simply roleplay the responses of the NPC empires that are impacted by this kind of thing. A few years ago my own corporation got involved with a small event run by CCP that ended up with us firing on a couple of event actors flying Mordu's Legion merc cruisers defending a Sisters of Eve convoy. The event actors at the time got furious with us and promised consequences which they duly delivered. For the next three years Star Fraction was officially set -5 by Mordu's Legion. That ruled out missioning in pureblind and messed about with refine efficiency and all that jazz. But it was cool. We did an in game action (executing a mordu's commander guy) and we were prepared to take the consequence. Goonswarm is an organization hundreds of times bigger than SF ever was. Its capability to mess with the server is far greater than our alliance could dream of. But I see no reason why it should be above consequences for messing with the sovereign space of npc empires. Best outcome is that Goonswarm get to burn jita to their heart's content and then the event team work out an appropriate sanction in roleplay terms to demonstrate there is a consequence to attacking the biggest trading hub in Eve. But if the Goons were then to howl and shout and call foul play over it. Well, then we'd know who the real carebears of Eve actually were. Are you hitting on us, I only ask because I figured you only write that many words about "consequences" and what not in your erp chat sessions. |
Derek Wiildstar
Wolfstar Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:59:00 -
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I've never seen a goon in game. From the way everyone talks about em, they most be 10 feet tall and shoot lighting out of their asses.
Frankly if CPP should do anything, they should get rid of Jitta. Regional trading hubs would make Eve a more interesting game. Trading should be about trickle down rather than centralized hubs runs. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
723
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:05:00 -
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Derek Wiildstar wrote:I've never seen a goon in game. From the way everyone talks about em, they most be 10 feet tall and shoot lighting out of their asses.
Frankly if CPP should do anything, they should get rid of Jitta. Regional trading hubs would make Eve a more interesting game. Trading should be about trickle down rather than centralized hubs runs. There will also be at least one "main" hub, eve has become a little centralized though.
Logistics needs a need IMHO, jump freighters are making it too easy to move high volumes of goods around risk free :( its bad enough the way carriers have become personal logistics assets, CCP should really nip it in the bud before it gets worse.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
118
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:09:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game
Again, my apologies.
I don't envision such ever occurring
What would happen would be what we've seen happening with things like Titans - nerf here, nerf there, nerf there, etc. The game mechanics would adjust making it impossible for a group to do things like that. Simply put - they wouldn't stop them, they'd just "fix it"
As I muttered to myself about the Titan nerfs and such: "Actions do have consequences here - if they'd stuck with capital and super cap targets, nothing would have been nerfed but they didn't."
If they keep pushing, the designers will "adjust" things so they can't push too far/hard.
How? In any number of ways... all supposition but here are a couple fairly easy "fixes" that would hurt.
"Burn Jita!" - lose empire standings and apply standings to use of gates and stations - so the gates to that empire deny access & open fire, any affiliated stations won't let you dock, concord is called, etc..
Price fixing - Make the stuff available across all space - highsec, lowsec, wormholes... It goes from "rare resource" available in only one type of space to "common", removing the ability to control like that
Death squads - Simply extend standings penalties like "burn jita" outlines. Killing "friendlies" in an empire's space leads to that empire declaring you an outlaw and none of their stations will allow docking, all of their gates will open fire on you and their navy would show up. Returning fire on gates would lead to concord involvement, etc
The loss of station access would be any of their stations - high, low or null, until you fixed your faction standings. Let's see how long they spend killing people when that costs them access to all of a factions resources and their allies (Gallente = Minmitar & SoE and other access loss too - Caldari = Amarr, etc...) - that also could kill access to many nullsec NPC controlled stations and that isn't trivial.
"Grinding Sec status" is often considered nothing. Losing the ability to dock at a large chunk of NPC stations? ... A lot more extreme. Gates opening fire? Why exclude pods from the fire list? ... etc, etc, etc.
Just a few off the top ideas that would gut such efforts yet fit with "game lore" and such.
No, not "disbanding them" - but I do think they'd come up with ways that would make it pretty close to impossible to get people to participate in it via game changes that would infuriate some but would address the concerns with enough "game logic" to back them up on the changes.
Look back to the older wardec mechanisims and the "Privateers nerf" - they had half of highsec wardec'd for lulz and a "change" came in that pushed the costs too high. "Some" outrage and a great deal of laughter from others. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
45
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:10:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Well, maybe CCP can add more CONTENT to make it more challenging to hold a large dominance with an alliance?
But hey its CCP we're talking about, no real content :) Usually 1) half finished 2) half thought out 3) unbalanced 4) boring after zero day. Reminds me of Commodore's final days.
It does not say much you for you or your views, that you see the game this way and are STILL here.
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
228
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:13:00 -
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You mean the corporation GoonWaffe or the alliance Goonswarm Federation ? They are not the same thing.
And disbanding the alliance will do nothing.
As others have said if a mechanic gets out of hand then it will be changed. If a person or group of people break the rules they will get banned.
So far the Goon's have done, well nothing at all. There is a whole lot of talk about what if and so forth and so on but other then that.......nothing.
I have seen some posts by GoonWaffe as for the rest of the alliance not a peep. Nothing so far has happened in game, in fact if you don't read the forums you would have no idea about Hulkeggeddon or JITA whatever.
At this point people are just crying wolf.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
240
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:18:00 -
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Xython wrote:While a flying gryphon mount is stupid, I wouldn't mind to be able to ride my Rifter like Dr. Strangelove while ship spinning.
You are terrible. It was Major Kong that did that. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
707
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:21:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:My position on all this is that it would be sad and rubbish for CCP to ban the goons over this kind of thing. But it would be perfectly fair for CCP to roleplay some kind of consequence as a result of this.
Jita is the biggest trading hub in Eve and commercial capital of the caldari state. Is it that much of a stretch to believe that the npc leaders of the caldari state might set Goonswarm -10 for the duration? Or that Concord itself might respond to a weekends slaughter by globally setting all members of goonswawm -10 for a month as punishment.
:WORDS:
I just realized what my problem with this post is.
Your argument is that in response to Player Driven Content that CCP should create what you call Role Playing Content. Either Sanctions by the NPC corps, or some other form of artificial game mechanic punishment for Goons.
But here's the thing. Even ignoring the downright disgusting violation of the Sandbox that having CCP directly punish Goons for something not in violation of any TOS or EULA...
What you're suggesting flies in the face of what EVE is.
No, really, it does. I can see where you're coming from, please listen to where I'm coming from.
EVE is a sandbox -- the only Sandbox MMORPG. Because of that, EVE is "real."
What this means is that when Goonswarm pisses off some alliance full of paste eaters like Raiden(DOT), we don't have a GM generated script set them to -10 for x months on our behalf or whatnot. The real players behind those accounts set us red and we shoot the hell out of each other for months or years.
Your Role Playing consequences -- while certainly cool, don't get me wrong here -- is daily life in nullsec. And we don't even have to get CCP to help us do it. That's why EVE is so amazing, warts and all.
You are suggesting that we replace player driven content with CCP developed scripts. And they wouldn't even be all that intelligent of scripts, to boot. Why would we be interested in that when we already get that from Nullsec, every day?
Now, I do agree that there are some interesting ideas hiding there: For example, nullsec rats could be made dynamic based on the NPC standings whatever corp or alliance holds the space (although, does the game track corp/alliance NPC standings?) I myself suggested that CCP is being remiss if they don't have a nice huge Incursion land in Jita during all this (Concord forces being weakened by Goonswarm's attack).
Now I do take umbrage with one thing about your post -- CCP doesn't lose anything if they do nothing about the Jita Holocaust. Far from it. Remember, CCP has banked their entire company on the future of Sandbox MMORPGs -- EVE, and World of Darkness. The thing that makes EVE so special is the fact that Goonswarm can fly in and attack Jita, even with the consequences.
If CCP is on the ball they will be playing this up to the nines in the press, with live Jita cams, maybe a cinematic trailer (hell, I know Goons and TEST will be making some of those if nothing else), hell, maybe even invite some Gaming Journalists to survey the damage with the GMs.
In short, this is hardly Mittani vs CCP. CCP wins either way. This was planned months before Mittani got thrown under the bus by CCP after the sockpuppet alt brigade tried to kill the CCP/Sony deal and forced their hand. We just now are all really motivated to make the people in Jita suffer, whereas before we were doing this as a victory lap. |
Sid Hudgens
32
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:22:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? .
I would spend at least two weeks laughing uncontrollably and when that was done I would ensure that whomever at CCP made the decision would never have to pay for a drink for the rest of their lives.
"....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
707
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:25:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:At this point people are just crying wolf.
It's actually fear, not paranoia. Prey can sense predators circling in the distance. It is, after all, this Saturday that Nullsec comes home to Empire, that we will be giving the fat and the complacent a taste of the true EVE experience.
They are panicking now. In 4 days, they will be screaming in terror and impotent rage, begging CCP to save them.
And it will be glorious. |
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