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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:27:00 -
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Mocam wrote:The loss of station access would be any of their stations - high, low or null, until you fixed your faction standings. Let's see how long they spend killing people when that costs them access to all of a factions resources and their allies (Gallente = Minmitar & SoE and other access loss too - Caldari = Amarr, etc...) - that also could kill access to many nullsec NPC controlled stations and that isn't trivial.
"Grinding Sec status" is often considered nothing. Losing the ability to dock at a large chunk of NPC stations? ... A lot more extreme. Gates opening fire? Why exclude pods from the fire list? ... etc, etc, etc.
Just a few off the top ideas that would gut such efforts yet fit with "game lore" and such. You *do* know about all the non-corp alts that can be used to buy items, refine 100% and also get minimum taxes, right?
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
296
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:29:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
[le snip]
nerd
Shallow, immature, little-minded wanker.
E: Apropos nothing else whatsoever, false-consenus effect is a grand thing, eh, goonie? The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:32:00 -
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Justice Comes wrote:VaMei wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on. Confucius says, "Even a sandbox has walls."
this but yeah disbanding them wouldnt DO anything, theyd just reform?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:37:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Justice Comes wrote: Confucius says, "Even a sandbox has walls."
Best reply ever. Even so, I don't think forcibly disbanding goons would be a good precedent or action, nor would it stop goons (or other entities) from doing the same thing all over again. Besides, they already cascaded once, and came back stronger than ever. Band of Brothers has cascaded at least three times now, and they're still around in some form. Goons are bound by a common out-of-game website (SomethingAwful) and would probably still be almost if not just as effective as they are now if they were a decentralized ingame entity.
well supposedly the death squad is breaking the rules of griefing. Isnt that "killing ONE PERSON over and over in excess" like they quoted thousands of times during the interdiction?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
532
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:38:00 -
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Id probably think about quitting if they were disbanded and ive been banned twice from these forums by goon complaining on mass I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
141
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:40:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed Surely you meant best case.
Post with your monkey. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:43:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:OP, I would feel that CCP had gone too far and broken the spirit of the sandbox completely. I'd also feel the same if CCP stepped in and did something outside of normal game play mechanics (or game balancing) to influence what happens during the Burn Jita, death squad and technitium initiatives.
I dislike GSF but I fully support their freedom in making of the sandbox what they will, within the confines of the EULA and TOS.
what if instead of disbanding then they had Jove/ the real sansha invasion jack them up in 0.0? IE an in story reason for them to go down (theyre funnily in position of this were Battletech to get all KINDS of jacked up from behind with the invading Clans lol
Sorry Im on pain killers not thinking right
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
707
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:50:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Sorry Im on pain killers not thinking right
Finally, a pubbie with a legit excuse.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:05:00 -
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Xython wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Sorry Im on pain killers not thinking right Finally, a pubbie with a legit excuse.
Ever hear of a radial head excision? Had one yesterday
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Cabon Scout
Ghost Net Industrialists Rebel Alliance of New Eden
0
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:08:00 -
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As one pilot said, band together and kick the goons in the balls. I think the goons are awesome, they push the limits. If we get tired of it well then it's time for the other players to do something about it. We don't need CCP to get involved. |
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Cabon Scout
Ghost Net Industrialists Rebel Alliance of New Eden
0
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:08:00 -
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Cabon Scout wrote:As one pilot said, band together and kick the goons in the balls. I think the goons are awesome, they push the limits. If we get tired of it well then it's time for the other players to do something about it. We don't need CCP to get involved.
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:28:00 -
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Derp ~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
472
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:07:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:what if instead of disbanding then they had Jove/ the real sansha invasion jack them up in 0.0? IE an in story reason for them to go down (theyre funnily in position of this were Battletech to get all KINDS of jacked up from behind with the invading Clans lol
Sorry Im on pain killers not thinking right I'm not sure I get you, but you mean "really serious business" incursions in nullsec?
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
FlamesOfHeaven
Sarif Digital Augmentation Research
17
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:07:00 -
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It could go either way and I wouldnt care. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
882
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:12:00 -
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Everyone is a Goon alt so no. |
ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
49
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:15:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Everyone is a Goon alt so no.
no there are no goon alts, only mains! true story,,,,,oh btw got some space in Empire to sell ya too... Anyone want dibs on Jita? Jita will Burn-á 4/28/12 Angry Monkey Podast Host
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:24:00 -
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Cabon Scout wrote:As one pilot said, band together and kick the goons in the balls. I think the goons are awesome, they push the limits. If we get tired of it well then it's time for the other players to do something about it. We don't need CCP to get involved.
Couldnt the other 0.0 pubbie er people attack Goons while theyre having their fun in Jita? now THAT would be EVE like. I doubt itd happen tho; 0.0 is too stagnated
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
472
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:24:00 -
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ChYph3r wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Everyone is a Goon alt so no. no there are no goon alts, only mains! true story,,,,,oh btw got some space in Empire to sell ya too... Anyone want dibs on Jita? Only if I can restrict docking rights to its station by standings. Not Blue No Dock (NBND) of course. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:25:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:what if instead of disbanding then they had Jove/ the real sansha invasion jack them up in 0.0? IE an in story reason for them to go down (theyre funnily in position of this were Battletech to get all KINDS of jacked up from behind with the invading Clans lol
Sorry Im on pain killers not thinking right I'm not sure I get you, but you mean "really serious business" incursions in nullsec?
Yeah sorta but it was a cover story for dev capships lol
Yeah I wont let the pain killers stop me from posting tho
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
325
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:26:00 -
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Amused.
CSM7 Skype Leak
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
472
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:27:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:I'm not sure I get you, but you mean "really serious business" incursions in nullsec? Yeah sorta but it was a cover story for dev capships lol Yeah I wont let the pain killers stop me from posting tho Uh, you know what happened the devs decided to wander about in ships? Someone (not us) hotdropped titans and blew them all up in short order.
Then imagine they come in dev capital ships? Oh my ~ Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:58:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:I'm not sure I get you, but you mean "really serious business" incursions in nullsec? Yeah sorta but it was a cover story for dev capships lol Yeah I wont let the pain killers stop me from posting tho Uh, you know what happened the devs decided to wander about in ships? Someone (not us) hotdropped titans and blew them all up in short order. Then imagine they come in dev capital ships? Oh my ~
Yeah but if they decided to REALLY not care? Bring in night invincible ships that oneshot everything in space an call it a Jove invasion lol THAT type of thing not just "dev ships"
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
724
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:10:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Uh, you know what happened the devs decided to wander about in ships? Someone (not us) hotdropped titans and blew them all up in short order.
Then imagine they come in dev capital ships? Oh my ~ I still think CCP should have planned for that eventually, and had a counter drop ready.
Would have been hilarious to see PL's titan fleet wiped out by CCP.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:26:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
There are ways to deal with ingame issues like this without disbanding them - if interdictions are someones idea, or whatever, then that will cause a reaction in the player base, the cowards will leave, the fighters will band up and "build a better Goon" - and honestly, people say the Goons are huge and unstoppable, but they are just people, they started out in rookie ships running around in mass... they rather broke EVE that way - it must be said (quote Fly Reckless) - but they are not unstoppable, and much of EVE is not in their hands, just check the map.
What you need to do is this... if you are afraid of this big boogy man, er bee... organize, and rise to the occassion, if you can't do this then EVE is not the game for you. but if you are afraid that the game will break? not likely, CCP will do what they will to not allow players to abuse their product and their company, so should the Goons, or anyone else, over step that boundry, the EULA and the company will deal with it.
Either way I have not had much mention, sightings, involvement or otherwise interaction with "goons" beyond the weekly listen to Voice from the Void... and the market right now is very nice for me... I am finally making some decent ISKcome. ...and Pinning/Toggle must be restored (paraphrase of Cicero). |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
4
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:27:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
Just to clarify a couple of issues. First of all the Death squad project is not as original as you might think, and the whole stealth modus operandi is pretty similar to what GHSC has been doing (or was doing) for so many years.
Not to mention the so many grief wars that have been declared in EVE over some bad chosen wordings and such.
Secondly Goonswarm do not own the whole Technetium production. The technetium monopoly is something that existed in this form as well as in other forms (i can't remember the name of the moon goo that was an issue some years ago). CCP reacted to that creating alchemy, and most probably that solution is something they are thinking of for technetium, even before the fuss about OTEC comes into play.
As for CCP disbanding the goons for either of the stuff you are talking about. Not a good move, and won't happen.
They haven't disbanded corps and alliances that created a bigger uproar in the forums. If they do go out of their way for Goons then something is rotting within CCP and it ain't some forgotten sandwich in the fridge. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:02:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Uh, you know what happened the devs decided to wander about in ships? Someone (not us) hotdropped titans and blew them all up in short order.
Then imagine they come in dev capital ships? Oh my ~ I still think CCP should have planned for that eventually, and had a counter drop ready. Would have been hilarious to see PL's titan fleet wiped out by CCP.
It IS however kinda funny they DIDNT think of that and that the inmates are running the asylum lol
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:06:00 -
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Aurelius Valentius wrote:
What you need to do is this... if you are afraid of this big boogy man, er bee... organize, and rise to the occassion, if you can't do this then EVE is not the game for you. but if you are afraid that the game will break? not likely, CCP will do what they will to not allow players to abuse their product and their company, so should the Goons, or anyone else, over step that boundry, the EULA and the company will deal with it.
As evidenced by BoB, they dont have a history of this actually. Its been quite the opposite. BoB stepped over that line quite often, then when the Goons or anyone else did, punishments were meted out. Thats them Devhax ppl were talking about. Once they took that away, BoB crumpled.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2012.04.26 04:08:00 -
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The sociopath alliance is starting to remind me of that Southpark WoW epsiode.
Only difference was the unstoppable guy in Southpark did it all through legit gameplay. He had no opportunity to use all the metagame tools goons use.
Bottom line, between these clowns and their test pets, they have a 14,000 char power bloc that under current game mechanics is omnipotent within the game. And people forget that BoB died due to metagaming when a dir pulled the plug from the inside.
The last superpower bloc (NC) died when they basically did not bother fighting for their turf against the bot funded russian supercap fleets. The combination of apathy and bot funded shipsis pretty tough.
goons, however, are a different animal. They feed on other peoples' pain. And CCP's affords them a plethora of ways to cause that pain. CCP's own complacency and short-sightedness is allowing these idiots the ultimate grief: Don't just drive a bunch of players from a game, but drive so many away you bring a company to their knees.
Can you imagine that asshat who fashions himself as their dear leader 2 or 3 years from now: "Yeah, I was so brilliant I managed to actually bankrupt a gaming company by destroying their flafship game from within." He would kill to be able to say that. And he is trying.
Fortunately, I think that in this case the marketing and accounting people will ride to the rescue and scream so loud that CCP will have to deal with this cancer. I usually hate marketing and accounting people, but they are the white knights compared to the allies within the CCP dev team that this cancer has. |
Will Hunter
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.26 04:14:00 -
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furtermore, |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.04.26 04:20:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:The sociopath alliance is starting to remind me of that Southpark WoW epsiode.
Only difference was the unstoppable guy in Southpark did it all through legit gameplay. He had no opportunity to use all the metagame tools goons use.
Bottom line, between these clowns and their test pets, they have a 14,000 char power bloc that under current game mechanics is omnipotent within the game. And people forget that BoB died due to metagaming when a dir pulled the plug from the inside.
The last superpower bloc (NC) died when they basically did not bother fighting for their turf against the bot funded russian supercap fleets. The combination of apathy and bot funded shipsis pretty tough.
goons, however, are a different animal. They feed on other peoples' pain. And CCP's affords them a plethora of ways to cause that pain. CCP's own complacency and short-sightedness is allowing these idiots the ultimate grief: Don't just drive a bunch of players from a game, but drive so many away you bring a company to their knees.
Can you imagine that asshat who fashions himself as their dear leader 2 or 3 years from now: "Yeah, I was so brilliant I managed to actually bankrupt a gaming company by destroying their flafship game from within." He would kill to be able to say that. And he is trying.
Fortunately, I think that in this case the marketing and accounting people will ride to the rescue and scream so loud that CCP will have to deal with this cancer. I usually hate marketing and accounting people, but they are the white knights compared to the allies within the CCP dev team that this cancer has.
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