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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.04.26 04:22:00 -
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that'd be gay as hell, because empire whiners not only shouldn't be respected by CCP; they should be actively abused by CCP like whenever a weenis starts making a stupid post about how he shouldn't have to deal with a wardec or increase his ship's ehp because he can't be bothered to fit a tank, a GM presses a button that instantly blows up his ship and instantly pods him
this would be the exact opposite of that so i would be upset if goons were disbanded |
ReptilesBlade
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
16
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Posted - 2012.04.26 04:23:00 -
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Great joy would fill my being. |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
365
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Posted - 2012.04.26 05:14:00 -
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Nope, that's going too far. If CCP did something like that, it would **** even me off. I love flying titans in Jita, setting bubbles in Rens,-áor firing off bombs from my stealth bomber-áin Dodixie!-á Just think, if Eve wasn't a sandbox, none of this would be possible! |
Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.04.26 05:36:00 -
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Personally dont care one way or the other.
This is CCP's sandbox, we are visitors. If we dont like it, dont pay your sub |
Araviel
Spiritus Draconis
15
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Posted - 2012.04.26 05:46:00 -
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Does anyone remember when CCP launched their CONCORD blacksquads to break up m0o gate camps? or when they had Serpentis attack BOB shipyards in fountain? just a few examples- CCP has interfered plenty of times in the past. and i cant remember anyone screaming oh noes the sandbox is broken back then.
(note- i dont think ccp should break up goonswarm, but like what jade said, some kind of NPC consequence for their actions could very well be in order) |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1243
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:30:00 -
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Moved from EVE General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Jake Rivers
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
77
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Posted - 2012.04.28 03:30:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
What a lame question, CCP loves seeing ships blow up.
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Brisco County
The Shadow Plague
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Posted - 2012.04.28 08:41:00 -
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It would be the death of Eve. Taking the "bad guys" away from Eve would be tantamount to taking the orcs out of Warcraft 2. All you would have is a bunch of peons chopping wood all day with nobody to whip them. |
Valorian0Gruff
Ascendancy. The Ascendants.
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Posted - 2012.04.28 12:25:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Just build a bigger Goon to beat them.
THIS! |
Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
291
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:56:00 -
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Valorian0Gruff wrote:Miilla wrote:Just build a bigger Goon to beat them. THIS!
Xenuria has already begun waving its flag "DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini |
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ChaeDoc II
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
31
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Posted - 2012.04.28 16:03:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:I think that RvB should be disbanded as well. How do you feel about that?
Can you imagine the impact that'd have on the Influence Map?
Me neither. |
ChaeDoc II
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
31
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Posted - 2012.04.28 16:05:00 -
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Jennylicous wrote:CCP would just alter game mechanics to combat anything they see as detrimental to the game before disbanding an alliance. So suicide ganking would likely become a thing of the past or just more risky to the aggressors in whether they are successful (i.e. faster concord response times, and larger presence).
This pretty much.
Remove insurance payments for ships destroyed due to criminal activity and a large chunk of suicide ganks are no longer worthwhile. |
Lord Azeroth
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
11
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Posted - 2012.04.28 16:55:00 -
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Could someone explain to me who these "Goons" are and what they do. Thanks !!! |
Dasquirrel715
Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
18
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:03:00 -
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Jennylicous wrote:CCP would just alter game mechanics to combat anything they see as detrimental to the game before disbanding an alliance. So suicide ganking would likely become a thing of the past or just more risky to the aggressors in whether they are successful (i.e. faster concord response times, and larger presence).
You can't get much faster of a concord response to an alpha strike. Any faster and its preemptive. Concord is wicked fast as it is. Even with TiDi at 10% of normal Concord was there the instant the shots were fired. There is a reason these were alpha fleets. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
634
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:40:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:Between contracts, trading, and other market hubs, there is no reason why anyone has to even buy what GSF has to offer. In all honesty it would be better if everyone boycotted them. Sure it might hurt prices or availability for a while. But this is the sandbox and you can always find more sand to play with elsewhere. The only way to boycott what GSF has to offer(technetium) is to boycott all(and I do mean ALL) T2 items.
Please do, it will make ganking ever so much easier. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
106
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:12:00 -
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how is any of what is going on a problem
Lots of tech held by one power, rebalanced tech 2 junk for limiting materials being r64's, or balance moon redistribution, last year or two would have been great,..... ever is a good substitute.
And. jita is burning, people who gank get blown up, working as should.
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Signal11th
463
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Posted - 2012.04.29 20:11:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Something to consider. Eve certainly is a sandbox but its not just a sandbox. It has a backstory, npc empires, history and all kinds of make-believe set dressing that help people suspend their disbelief and get involved with the grand space opera goings on. If it was just a sandbox you'd have 5000 empty systems for players to do what they will in and not much else. Now the reason that the goons (or anyone else) can pull off an event that will lead to the screaming and wailing and gnashing of teeth of the empire dwellers is that there is an empire space - there is an area of Eve that has some protection against nihilistic destruction cults in Null. If that area wasn't there you wouldn't have the carebears to terrify in the first place. My position on all this is that it would be sad and rubbish for CCP to ban the goons over this kind of thing. But it would be perfectly fair for CCP to roleplay some kind of consequence as a result of this. Jita is the biggest trading hub in Eve and commercial capital of the caldari state. Is it that much of a stretch to believe that the npc leaders of the caldari state might set Goonswarm -10 for the duration? Or that Concord itself might respond to a weekends slaughter by globally setting all members of goonswawm -10 for a month as punishment. It seems to me that Mittani through goonswarm is setting himself up for a massive pissing match with CCP through the medium of Jita burning and he's stacking the deck. If CCP do nothing he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do anything) and if CCP do something then he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do nothing). But what would be a reasonable response from CCP is to simply roleplay the responses of the NPC empires that are impacted by this kind of thing. A few years ago my own corporation got involved with a small event run by CCP that ended up with us firing on a couple of event actors flying Mordu's Legion merc cruisers defending a Sisters of Eve convoy. The event actors at the time got furious with us and promised consequences which they duly delivered. For the next three years Star Fraction was officially set -5 by Mordu's Legion. That ruled out missioning in pureblind and messed about with refine efficiency and all that jazz. But it was cool. We did an in game action (executing a mordu's commander guy) and we were prepared to take the consequence. Goonswarm is an organization hundreds of times bigger than SF ever was. Its capability to mess with the server is far greater than our alliance could dream of. But I see no reason why it should be above consequences for messing with the sovereign space of npc empires. Best outcome is that Goonswarm get to burn jita to their heart's content and then the event team work out an appropriate sanction in roleplay terms to demonstrate there is a consequence to attacking the biggest trading hub in Eve. But if the Goons were then to howl and shout and call foul play over it. Well, then we'd know who the real carebears of Eve actually were.
Quite an easy answer for ccp then, get the caldari empire to set any member of the GSF -5/-10 permanently. keeps it within the sandbox and looks like CCP have acted. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Mutheer Lelmata'eb
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.04.30 00:57:00 -
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Araviel wrote:Does anyone remember when CCP launched their CONCORD blacksquads to break up m0o gate camps? or when they had Serpentis attack BOB shipyards in fountain? just a few examples- CCP has interfered plenty of times in the past. and i cant remember anyone screaming oh noes the sandbox is broken back then.
(note- i dont think ccp should break up goonswarm, but like what jade said, some kind of NPC consequence for their actions could very well be in order)
There was NPC consequence. CONCORD blew people up. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
637
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:03:00 -
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Mutheer Lelmata'eb wrote:Araviel wrote:Does anyone remember when CCP launched their CONCORD blacksquads to break up m0o gate camps? or when they had Serpentis attack BOB shipyards in fountain? just a few examples- CCP has interfered plenty of times in the past. and i cant remember anyone screaming oh noes the sandbox is broken back then.
(note- i dont think ccp should break up goonswarm, but like what jade said, some kind of NPC consequence for their actions could very well be in order) There was NPC consequence. CONCORD blew people up. And they had their standings with CONCORD seriously affected. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
189
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:52:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:In this case, though, the goons are going after players in a player-created environment where players have chosen to congregate en masse. The only special thing about it is that CCP has it on its own reinforced node, but that's not reason enough to have NPCs punish the goons for breaking up the party.
Funny you say that, because yesteday Goons did exactly that - petitioned CCP to get NPCs to punish us for breaking up their party. They were frustrated as hell at their inability to understand high sec aggression mechanics and getting repeatedly raped by us.
So being unable to counter us on fair grounds using in-game mechanics, DBRB petitioned CCP to get THORN Syndicate CONCORDed because we were griefing them in Jita. After all, if THEY didn't understand what we were doing, then we MUST be expoiting, right?
Oh the irony....
This ping went out on Goon Jabber about 10 minutes after we killed one of their logis in Jita:
[email protected]/directorbot: Seems ccp has finally done something right - THORN syndicate can no longer shoot us and all members doing so just got concorded :toot:
After sitting at the same spot for 10 minutes, I was CONCORDed out of the blue and took a large sec hit for it . Talk about whiny babies.
http://i.imgur.com/yUXgo.jpg
Yeah, so to all Goons in here whining about the "sandbox".... hypocrite much? - Crunchmeister, THORN Chief Diplo-á |
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Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:51:00 -
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Crunchmeister wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:In this case, though, the goons are going after players in a player-created environment where players have chosen to congregate en masse. The only special thing about it is that CCP has it on its own reinforced node, but that's not reason enough to have NPCs punish the goons for breaking up the party. Funny you say that, because yesteday Goons did exactly that - petitioned CCP to get NPCs to punish us for breaking up their party. They were frustrated as hell at their inability to understand high sec aggression mechanics and getting repeatedly raped by us. So being unable to counter us on fair grounds using in-game mechanics, DBRB petitioned CCP to get THORN Syndicate CONCORDed because we were griefing them in Jita. After all, if THEY didn't understand what we were doing, then we MUST be expoiting, right? Oh the irony.... This ping went out on Goon Jabber about 10 minutes after we killed one of their logis in Jita: [email protected]/directorbot: Seems ccp has finally done something right - THORN syndicate can no longer shoot us and all members doing so just got concorded :toot:After sitting at the same spot for 10 minutes, I was CONCORDed out of the blue and took a large sec hit for it . Talk about whiny babies.
Dude, you can't plug your alliance thread without linking it, come one now. Here, let me help you:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102943&find=unread (This is a thread about that total super-burn of irony delivered to goons he's talking about up there, you should all pop in and read, it's TOTALLY not a metric crapton of THORN-guys congratulating themselves on a really, really great burn)
Dude, you can't promise linking superfunny image macros because we can't read your 4+-letter-words and then misspell "griefers". THAT'S A 4+ LETTER WORD, DUDE. HAVE A HEART, WILLYA? |
Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
192
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:56:00 -
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Tsk tsk... the spelling **** strikes. Picking on spelling and grammar is always the last resort of someone with no valid argument.
Carry on though. Your tears are just as delicious as those of the rest of your alliance. - Crunchmeister, THORN Chief Diplo-á |
Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
201
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:46:00 -
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And on the actual topic (I guess I did stray a bit, but it was relevant), I wouldn't want CCP intervening unless someone is doing something that violates the ToS or EULA. As much as soon many people dislike Goons for what they do, one must remember that for better or worse, the people ARE the content in Eve. And the people form the corp that form the alliances that form the coalition. If CCP were to interfere in that natural order, it would essentially be destroying the sandbox. It would basically be the end of Eve for me if that happened. There should never be any CCP intervention for legal actions done within the confines of the game mechanics.
- Crunchmeister, THORN Chief Diplo-á |
Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:29:00 -
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Crunchmeister wrote:Tsk tsk... the spelling **** strikes. Picking on spelling and grammar is always the last resort of someone with no valid argument.
Carry on though. Your tears are just as delicious as those of the rest of your alliance.
No, dude, I can't read, that's why I'm asking you to not include such large words in your image macros. Keep it simple, hear me? |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.05.01 01:31:00 -
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Another disband goons thread, how original.
Unfortunately for Jade Constantine who seems to think that CCP should treat different alliances different based on how we play in the sandbox, the NPCs of new eden treat everyone the same and only care about security status. In fact, the NPCs of the world have never once cared about alliance or corp affiliation (sans faction warfare). But yes, because we push the boundaries of the sandbox this core principle, that content in this game is created and driven by the players and not some ubiquitous CPU entity, should be throw aside to serious penalize the horrible goonies.
What you shouldn't be asking for is CCP to take action. Instead, you should be trying to counter us with player created content. Jade Constantine should arrive astride his great warhorse, lead the highsec masses in revolt and beat us yourself. You should gather the masses of highsec and come teach us a lesson. Enough people hate us that there shouldn't be a shortage of players willing to participate. Or is there?
Now we come to the real problem you face. Of course there is no shortage of goon haters. The problem is forming them into a cohesive whole long enough to deliver judgment. But there is no unifying figure to keep it together. Let's face it, Jade is no Mittani. The clashes of differing personalities and opinions would cripple any combined venture against us before it even began. It would dissolve into a horrible mess of infighting and then each party would go their own way. In light of this, you know that there is no way player-driven content would succeed in doing anything to us. Therefore, your only recourse to any actions we take is to approach CCP with your hand out, begging like the adopted orphans you are, for one more act of interference. They should be laughing at your lack of imagination, lack of initiative, lack of ambition. Instead of killing us yourself, you cry to CCP to lay the first blow.
Thankfully, CCP loves our player-driven content. They love to see us taking the game they made and doing what we will with it, which is, after all, the real purpose of a sandbox. Some people build sandcastles. We destroy them. All you have to do is get all the other kids to come and wreck our castle.
But it can't be done. And you know it. The result is threads like these. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
176
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:05:00 -
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Effort.......belive it or not, there's actually not that many people that care about what you turds do tbh. You blued most of EVE and NIP'ed the rest. Who do you think is left, other than a few miners or mission runners?...
Keep trying to convince yourselves that there are thousands of pilots losing sleep over you sheep performing the tricks that The Martini tells you to do....... We are all in the audience watching with popcorn to see what he can get you to do next!!!... GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1165
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:06:00 -
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Snot Shot wrote:Effort... ....belive it or not, there's actually not that many people that care about what you turds do tbh. You blued most of EVE and NIP'ed the rest. Who do you think is left, other than a few miners or mission runners?... Keep trying to convince yourselves that there are thousands of pilots losing sleep over you sheep performing the tricks that The Martini tells you to do...... . We are all in the audience watching with popcorn to see what he can get you to do next!!!...
Actually you following us around like a little adorable puppy posting at our heels convinces us of that. Consider this: If you stopped posting about us, we'd stop reading threads posted about us by people who truly don't care about us at all. |
sporkine
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:11:00 -
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what would really happen if the goons alliance was disbanded?
1. people other than goons would move into the space they control.
2.................
3. profit |
Arthello
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:25:00 -
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That would be terrible. Goons is just operating within the rules set by CCP. In real life they would be deemed a terrorist organization. Make anyone affiliated with Goons Al-Qaida status CCP. Do it! Make them red in high-sec to everyone :D |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
176
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:50:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Snot Shot wrote:Effort... ....belive it or not, there's actually not that many people that care about what you turds do tbh. You blued most of EVE and NIP'ed the rest. Who do you think is left, other than a few miners or mission runners?... Keep trying to convince yourselves that there are thousands of pilots losing sleep over you sheep performing the tricks that The Martini tells you to do...... . We are all in the audience watching with popcorn to see what he can get you to do next!!!... Actually you following us around like a little adorable puppy posting at our heels convinces us of that. Consider this: If you stopped posting about us, we'd stop reading threads posted about us by people who truly don't care about us at all. Settle down VR, even the best hecklers buy tickets to the show my man!! As you know, taking dumps on you goonies has been a hobby of mine for some time now and as long as you kids are willing to be space puppets controlled by a narcissistic cyber bully, IGÇÖm willing cop a squat to help rain on your paradeGǪ.
WhatGÇÖs your next big event to add content to EVE? Maybe The Martini can aim his GÇ£finger death rayGÇ¥ at the Faction Warfare and make Minmatar the race to rule all races!!....
AnywhooGǪGǪ..IGÇÖll let you get back to telling us all how awesome you and the CFC are while all of us stand over here wishing we were youGǪGǪGǪ .
GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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