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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:02:00 -
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Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
131
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:03:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
710
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:03:00 -
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I would feel with my hands. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
247
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:04:00 -
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Just build a bigger Goon to beat them. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2296
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:04:00 -
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VaMei wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on.
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Justice Comes
Republic University Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:06:00 -
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VaMei wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on.
Confucius says, "Even a sandbox has walls." Most annoying thing of the week: You failed to dock/jump because you are cloaked (in your Deep Space Transport). |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
461
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:08:00 -
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We'd be forced to join TEST, and you wouldn't want that... Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Pod Potato
Gluttonous Hungers Inc.
61
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:08:00 -
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High, cus it would never happen. Much like a pepper I enjoy inflicting pain on others... preferably in the mouth and anus. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
179
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:09:00 -
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Crap (active dev/GM interference) has been dropped in the "sandbox" from time to time.
People still believe in the sandbox.
BoB were once viewed in the same way as Goons are now. Things change, when they stop changing Eve is dead. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
353
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:10:00 -
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EVE would cease to be a sandbox. It would represent a terrible game design decision and I would reconsider my subscription.
Nothing Goons have done has been against the rules. If something Goons are doing is capable of breaking gameplay for everyone else (and affecting it in ways they don't like doesn't count as breaking), then it's CCP's job to change game mechanics such that it isn't possible. |
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
264
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:11:00 -
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I think that RvB should be disbanded as well. How do you feel about that? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:11:00 -
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I'd kill myself IRL.. Needs more tears. |
Jennylicous
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:12:00 -
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CCP would just alter game mechanics to combat anything they see as detrimental to the game before disbanding an alliance. So suicide ganking would likely become a thing of the past or just more risky to the aggressors in whether they are successful (i.e. faster concord response times, and larger presence). |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
452
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:12:00 -
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Justice Comes wrote: Confucius says, "Even a sandbox has walls."
Best reply ever.
Even so, I don't think forcibly disbanding goons would be a good precedent or action, nor would it stop goons (or other entities) from doing the same thing all over again.
Besides, they already cascaded once, and came back stronger than ever. Band of Brothers has cascaded at least three times now, and they're still around in some form. Goons are bound by a common out-of-game website (SomethingAwful) and would probably still be almost if not just as effective as they are now if they were a decentralized ingame entity.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
461
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:13:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:EVE would cease to be a sandbox. It would represent a terrible game design decision and I would reconsider my subscription.
Nothing Goons have done has been against the rules. If something Goons are doing is capable of breaking gameplay for everyone else (and affecting it in ways they don't like doesn't count as breaking), then it's CCP's job to change game mechanics such that it isn't possible. Depends on what you define as game mechanics. There's always the magic wand of "not XXYY is an exploit". Like with POS bowling and maybe soon suicide ganking ~ in the highsec carebear's utopia ~ (where only rocks and red crosses suffer for the greater good). Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
278
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:13:00 -
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Even if under some bizzaro situation CCP were to address what the Goons are doing, they would not disband them. The issues would be dealt with on an account by account basis and changes would be made to the game. A big piece of this whole event is a perceived game of chicken to see if CCP will react to the Jita event because of their Dust/Sony investment. That perception coming from MittaniGÇÖs comments on an audio blog he posted a while back.
I just want some popcorn and ringside seat to watch the world burn.
I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
133
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:14:00 -
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Only if they used an old BoB alt to do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
Shukuzen Kiraa
47-Ronin Outer Ring Excavations Syndicate
122
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:16:00 -
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Tinnin Sylph wrote:I'd kill myself IRL..
I am guessing this is the response most goons would give. I laugh at it because I really think your attention whoring in eve is that important to you guys. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
461
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:16:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:Even if under some bizzaro situation CCP were to address what the Goons are doing, they would not disband them. The issues would be dealt with on an account by account basis and changes would be made to the game. A big piece of this whole event is a perceived game of chicken to see if CCP will react to the Jita event because of their Dust/Sony investment. That perception coming from MittaniGÇÖs comments on an audio blog he posted a while back.
I just want some popcorn and ringside seat to watch the world burn.
Don't be idiotic, people on the forums have repeatedly stated it's for his ego and/or because we are about to failcascade.
How dare you think he's being honest with us. Clearly CCP would never be swayed by lots of money, to suggest such a test is even necessary should be a bannable exploit.
P.S. And your dog. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
461
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:16:00 -
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Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:Tinnin Sylph wrote:I'd kill myself IRL.. I am guessing this is the response most goons would give. I laugh at it because I really think your attention whoring in eve is THAT important to you guys. Don't do that, CCP would have to inform the local police as per their offical policy. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
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Lorkin Desal
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
96
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:17:00 -
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CCP could hit the disband button and say a disafected director did it. No-one could proove otherwise.
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Enquirer
Shadow Operations Inc. CORE Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:17:00 -
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As long as they stay within the bounds of the game and dont break the rules.. i have no issues of dumbasses (goons) running around doing stupid ****. It creates good content. As for CCP getting involved... I think some are giving goons to much credit, Other then some ganks, i see no impact on game.
goones... then some other corp will take over, then some other after that and after that.... Only reason we even know who they are is there dumbass leader opened his mouth and then got mad, both recorded for our enjoyment. |
Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
198
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:18:00 -
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I don't think they should disband an entire corporation. I don't think GSF is breaking the rules. But I do think they will forever paint themselves as D-bags. Between their message, scams, and actions, they already are known as trolls. You know what they say, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. When the next "big thing" comes around and conquers them. The community will laugh and talk about the GSF the same way BoB is generally talked about. "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
461
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:19:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Besides, they already cascaded once, and came back stronger than ever. Band of Brothers has cascaded at least three times now, and they're still around in some form. Goons are bound by a common out-of-game website (SomethingAwful) and would probably still be almost if not just as effective as they are now if they were a decentralized ingame entity. We didn't exactly cascade, someone pushed our magic button.
That said, out of game comms do exist, of course. And the rest of the coalition (who aren't goons) would hopefully, er, ... well Test Coalition Please Ignore, led by executor corp Test Executor Please Ignore would be hilarious.
Still though, Test Gankers Please Ignore would be the best gimmick ever.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Carver DiGriz
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:19:00 -
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I like that players create the content here - and Goonies do it as well as anyone. Respect for that.
If the goons ever do go, I would hope its a player group that burns them out. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
461
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:20:00 -
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Lorkin Desal wrote:CCP could hit the disband button and say a disafected director did it. No-one could prove otherwise.
Since only a very few number of people have the button access, that would backfire to say the least. Everyone knows the executor corp is just a holding corp (among other things, I have no idea what). Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1294
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:22:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
It would affect my game not in the least, but the forums would become pretty interesting for a while.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1569
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:25:00 -
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I would feel like they got what was coming to them. If you **** people over constantly you can only expect to be dicked back. I doubt GS would be disbanded for anything stated in the OP. All of that is part of the sandbox which CCP prides themselves on. If anything GS would be banned for things that publicly humiliate CCP or for real life threats in game...things like that. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
41
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:25:00 -
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This is not needed and not wanted.
Each of their actions can be easily countered by CCP. Concord reaction time can be lowered, this awesome idea could be applied, or technetium could be easier to obtain.
Goons just play the game. If CCP thinks they are ruling EVE they can resolve this without needing to disband the corp.
Short time trader, short term missionner, long term ambitions.
Bring justice to EVE:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1171333 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
461
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:25:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? It would affect my game not in the least, but the forums would become pretty interesting for a while. Mr Epeen That they would be. Even before those mentioned events have started, the forums are already a lot more interesting. At least the average highsec pubbie can engage, instead of titan tracking debates in the wild wild west of nullsec, where capitals and supercapitals are formed into fleets - rather than mining veldspar by themselves.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:26:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I would feel like they got what was coming to them. If you **** people over constantly you can only expect to be dicked back. I doubt GS would be disbanded for anything stated in the OP. All of that is part of the sandbox which CCP prides themselves on. If anything GS would be banned for things that publicly humiliate CCP or for real life threats in game...things like that.
please keep bitterposting about us because we kicked own alliance out of deklein lol eh |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
461
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:27:00 -
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Ank Parkor wrote:This is not needed and not wanted. Each of their actions can be easily countered by CCP. Concord reaction time can be lowered, this awesome idea could be applied, or technetium could be easier to obtain. Goons just play the game. If CCP thinks they are ruling EVE they can resolve this without needing to disband the corp. "3.0 to shoot first at players having a bounty on their head. "
That would be great! Finally a way to reach out and ~touch~ NPC corp alts. Toss a bounty on them and shoot away. Do bounties need you to pod them to? Because that would be excellent ~~ Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Hroya
36
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:27:00 -
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What's in a name ? What has been made once, can be made again.
Besides, Goons create player content wether you like it or not. But that isnt limited to only goons though. If CCP would perform such an act ( chance is smaller then finding an honest politician ) it would disrupt gamecontent and that is like shooting your own foot. You go your corridor but. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
461
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:27:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:please keep bitterposting about us because we kicked own alliance out of deklein lol Who's own alliance? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Jandice Ymladris
Perkone Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:28:00 -
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While Goons are far from favored by all, such action by CCP would be frowned upon to say the least. It would kill the motivation of any large alliance to do somehting major like attempting to monopolize a resource or try & control most of Nullsec. As far as I know, only one alliance/corporation ever had direct ingame CCP-approved action taken against them, and it backfired greatly on CCP (look up MoO for the intrested)
It's as stated above, Eve is a sandbox, a place where people set their own goals, as long as at it doesnt' collide with the walls of the sandbox (the rules). And as in any sandbox, not everyone will play by what you like, so either adapt, or move to a place where they don't bother you (Eve is huge, really, plenty of places where Goons don't ever come, and are nothing but tales of a far away region) |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
715
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:29:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? If CCP disbanded goons I would eagerly await the formation of our new overlords, the Gounswarm Federeration.
Upon their disbanding I am certain the Guneswarm Federation would be equally as successful, repeat ad nauseam until CCP surrender.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:31:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:please keep bitterposting about us because we kicked own alliance out of deklein lol Who's own alliance?
old TCF pets that GSF adopted after the deklein handover
they were caught skimming technetium ISK and punted to the drone regions eh |
Mark Androcius
47
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:31:00 -
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Lol, butf*cked to be honest, they can never have a monopoly, certainly not on technetium, so if they only had the largest share, they could dictate the price and it would suit me beautifully. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
247
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:33:00 -
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Well, maybe CCP can add more CONTENT to make it more challenging to hold a large dominance with an alliance?
But hey its CCP we're talking about, no real content :) Usually 1) half finished 2) half thought out 3) unbalanced 4) boring after zero day. Reminds me of Commodore's final days. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1569
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:36:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:please keep bitterposting about us because we kicked own alliance out of deklein lol Who's own alliance? old TCF pets that GSF adopted after the deklein handover they were caught skimming technetium ISK and punted to the drone regions lol...ignorance always makes for amusing bad posting. At least you got the "handover" part of it right. It's not like Goonswarm earned anything they have in Deklein.
What OWN Alliance leaders did with Tech ISK was up to them. They decided to build stations and refund capital ship losses witn it and TEST decided to be trolls. GSF kicked us out because we refused to accept your idiotic demands of giving full API keys of every player in OWN to GSF.
Take your ignorance elsewhere little bee drone. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
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Barakkus
1531
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:36:00 -
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I may not like goons, but it would be grounds to quit, just because disbanding them as punishment for playing the game within current game mechanics would be bullshit. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1569
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:41:00 -
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I wouldn't quit if they disbanded Goons. It wouldn't effect me. Again...if they did disband Goons, it wouldn't be for Tech monopolization or Jita interdiction. It would be for doing truly bad things like threatening peoples lives. This entire thread is pointless as CCP won't take any action on something that is clearly part of the sandbox. Start breaking rules that have impacts outside the game and CCP would have to take some kind of action just like they did with Mittani.
Its like fantasizing about sleeping with a supermodel. You can have the fantasy but it isn't going to happen. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:42:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:please keep bitterposting about us because we kicked own alliance out of deklein lol Who's own alliance? old TCF pets that GSF adopted after the deklein handover they were caught skimming technetium ISK and punted to the drone regions lol...ignorance always makes for amusing bad posting. At least you got the "handover" part of it right. It's not like Goonswarm earned anything they have in Deklein. What OWN Alliance leaders did with Tech ISK was up to them. They decided to build stations and refund capital ship losses witn it and TEST decided to be trolls. GSF kicked us out because we refused to accept your idiotic demands of giving full API keys of every player in OWN to GSF. Take your ignorance elsewhere little bee drone.
"yo give us a director API for your wallet corp" is not "give us the full API of every member of your awful alliance"
also lol "drone" eh |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1381
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:47:00 -
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Burn Jita will be temporary. The death squads will be hilarious. Only the tech monopoly would be a concern for me, and I don't think it could stand because either a major coalition would liberate quite a few tech moons or CCP would finally rebalance tech so that it's not such a bottleneck to T2. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Cpt Arareb
Ideal Machine Many Reckless Corps
14
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:54:00 -
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indiferent.. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
247
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:55:00 -
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Only one thing can solve this, Tech needs to be moved to highsec :) |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:57:00 -
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All ccp have to do is completely nerf tech moon's from the production of T2, problem solved.
As for jita
Joke, no one cares.
And the death squads
Just mercs in another format, no one cares.
Just let mittani stroke his ego along with his pedo beard. All this is, is him tossing his toys out of the pram cos he didn't get his way.
Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography Seventh Sanctum.
57
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:58:00 -
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Tinnin Sylph wrote:I'd kill myself IRL..
~Deal with it~ |
TRUE ZER0
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:59:00 -
[49] - Quote
indifferent |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3511
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:04:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
It would be an appalling violation of the sandbox and totally pandering to a bunch of whiners crying for mommy GMs to do what they're too lazy or too timid to do themselves.
People tend to forget that there's no rule that says they have to like you or even pretend to. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Dragon Outlaw
The Scope Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:09:00 -
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Can I say something even if I am in an NPC corp atm? |
Mara Villoso
Big Box The Toy Box
68
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:09:00 -
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Sooner or later, CCP is going to have to come to grips with the "sandbox." If all content is player driven, then all content is player controlled. They can't let their game and their business be held hostage by a subgroup capable of manipulating the entire market, industrial base, and player experience. While I'm sure they'd like to pretend that all that is necessary is occasional refereeing, its clear its going to take more than that to keep the game experience legitimate.
Consider the Goons farming of miners. They build the ships and sell them, they gank them, repeat. An entire profession has been turned into a mini-game where the miner is little more than an NPC. Nothing outwardly wrong with that. All within the rules. Frankly, its also a thing of certain beauty. However, its a slap in the face to the relevant playerbase that they've become a toy for another human being. Its not so much about PvP and blowing things up and don't fly what you can't... or any of that. This is a problem at the meta-level. Players and organizations that thrive on the idea of making other people miserable can be relied on to make people miserable. Miserable people don't want to pay for that experience, so they won't. The further this goes and the more obvious the manipulation becomes, the more people will realize that they are playing a game where the cards are stacked against them and the less likely they are to continue playing. If I were the paranoid type, I would think it pretty obvious that some people are doing what they're doing for precisely that reason. They're playing EVE at a whole different level; they're playing against Hilmar.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:12:00 -
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My apologies to all. i believe in my initial post I used a specific example to start this discussion that some may have felt was a specific request. I was interested more in people's opinions on what is too much direct action by CCP in the sandbox. I am not specifically requesting the disband of goons. Again, my apologies. |
Kibbolski
Terra Rosa Militia SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:18:00 -
[54] - Quote
If they disbanded Goons (or any other alliance for that matter) for doing things perfectly legal within the game, then I'd feel it's time to unsub. |
Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen Cobalt Holdings Coalition
213
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:21:00 -
[55] - Quote
Why did I just read three pages of whining? Oh wait... Duality is patching still... Either way, save your whining until you get your dumb ass podded on the 28th E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us
Heil Hizzle Mein Nizzles. |
TWHC Assistant
2
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:26:00 -
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Terrible.
What people do not seem to get is that the high price of Technetium is primarily caused by people fighting over it, but not by controlling it. The fighting over a rare resource it what creates the biggest cost. By controlling Technetium can one maximize its output, flood the market with it and lower its price while still making a profit.
I would very much like to see them try before I judge them. |
Mara Villoso
Big Box The Toy Box
69
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:29:00 -
[57] - Quote
TWHC Assistant wrote:What people do not seem to get is that the high price of Technetium is primarily caused by people fighting over it, but not by controlling it. You must be crazy. Two people competing with one another to sell an item they both have leads to competitive pricing. Cartels control the price for the purpose of raising it. In fact, the announcement of OTEC says EXACTLY THAT. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1940
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:53:00 -
[58] - Quote
Something to consider.
Eve certainly is a sandbox but its not just a sandbox. It has a backstory, npc empires, history and all kinds of make-believe set dressing that help people suspend their disbelief and get involved with the grand space opera goings on. If it was just a sandbox you'd have 5000 empty systems for players to do what they will in and not much else.
Now the reason that the goons (or anyone else) can pull off an event that will lead to the screaming and wailing and gnashing of teeth of the empire dwellers is that there is an empire space - there is an area of Eve that has some protection against nihilistic destruction cults in Null. If that area wasn't there you wouldn't have the carebears to terrify in the first place.
My position on all this is that it would be sad and rubbish for CCP to ban the goons over this kind of thing. But it would be perfectly fair for CCP to roleplay some kind of consequence as a result of this.
Jita is the biggest trading hub in Eve and commercial capital of the caldari state. Is it that much of a stretch to believe that the npc leaders of the caldari state might set Goonswarm -10 for the duration? Or that Concord itself might respond to a weekends slaughter by globally setting all members of goonswawm -10 for a month as punishment.
It seems to me that Mittani through goonswarm is setting himself up for a massive pissing match with CCP through the medium of Jita burning and he's stacking the deck. If CCP do nothing he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do anything) and if CCP do something then he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do nothing).
But what would be a reasonable response from CCP is to simply roleplay the responses of the NPC empires that are impacted by this kind of thing.
A few years ago my own corporation got involved with a small event run by CCP that ended up with us firing on a couple of event actors flying Mordu's Legion merc cruisers defending a Sisters of Eve convoy. The event actors at the time got furious with us and promised consequences which they duly delivered. For the next three years Star Fraction was officially set -5 by Mordu's Legion. That ruled out missioning in pureblind and messed about with refine efficiency and all that jazz. But it was cool. We did an in game action (executing a mordu's commander guy) and we were prepared to take the consequence.
Goonswarm is an organization hundreds of times bigger than SF ever was. Its capability to mess with the server is far greater than our alliance could dream of. But I see no reason why it should be above consequences for messing with the sovereign space of npc empires.
Best outcome is that Goonswarm get to burn jita to their heart's content and then the event team work out an appropriate sanction in roleplay terms to demonstrate there is a consequence to attacking the biggest trading hub in Eve.
But if the Goons were then to howl and shout and call foul play over it.
Well, then we'd know who the real carebears of Eve actually were.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Pyrus Octavius
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
22
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:55:00 -
[59] - Quote
I would feel really good if CCP Bio massed the OP. That would make me feel real good. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:01:00 -
[60] - Quote
Pyrus Octavius wrote:I would feel really good if CCP Bio massed the OP. That would make me feel real good.
Why? |
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Mara Villoso
Big Box The Toy Box
70
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:04:00 -
[61] - Quote
A clever, appropriate action for the Jita Burn event. I like this very much. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:04:00 -
[62] - Quote
Celebrate. |
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:05:00 -
[63] - Quote
Being a goon is an exploit. Please stop this exploit! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6279
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:06:00 -
[64] - Quote
Mara Villoso wrote:Sooner or later, CCP is going to have to come to grips with the "sandbox." If all content is player driven, then all content is player controlled. They can't let their game and their business be held hostage by a subgroup capable of manipulating the entire market, industrial base, and player experience. So you want them to shut down highsec?
Quote:However, its a slap in the face to the relevant playerbase that they've become a toy for another human being. No, that's pretty much by design and a rather direct effect of the move towards making everything in the game player-driven. You are here to prove me with content.
Jade Constantine wrote:Jita is the biggest trading hub in Eve and commercial capital of the caldari state. Is it that much of a stretch to believe that the npc leaders of the caldari state might set Goonswarm -10 for the duration? Yes, largely because it would completely violate the dynamics of the game. If someone managed to shut down Jita, it would move somewhere else, and that is the proper response GÇö artificially maintaining it makes no sense whatsoever. If they did that, then the Goons would be in a position to say that GÇ£hey, CCP, someone is invading Deklein, please sic some NPCs at themGÇ¥ GÇö after all, that would just be another player-made concentration of [whatever] that now needs NPC protection.
Quote:Best outcome is that Goonswarm get to burn jita to their heart's content and then the event team work out an appropriate sanction in roleplay terms to demonstrate there is a consequence to attacking the biggest trading hub in Eve. No, the best outcome is that the Goons mess up Jita for a while, and then the player base moves the hub farther away from the Goons so they'll be less inclined to mess with the next one. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
TWHC Assistant
2
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:08:00 -
[65] - Quote
Mara Villoso wrote:TWHC Assistant wrote:What people do not seem to get is that the high price of Technetium is primarily caused by people fighting over it, but not by controlling it. You must be crazy. Two people competing with one another to sell an item they both have leads to competitive pricing. Cartels control the price for the purpose of raising it. In fact, the announcement of OTEC says EXACTLY THAT. Goons are more than two people. They will want to sell every bit of Technetium they get out of the moons. It will lead to a flooding and they would be stupid if they did not lower the price by i.e. 10% in order to sell 20% more. Profit is not defined by price alone, it is price * volume / time. |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
210
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:14:00 -
[66] - Quote
Let the goons have their way. If there are no targets any more they will all celebrate their victories in a world where noone cares but themselves. It's ok to lose interest. Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1942
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:21:00 -
[67] - Quote
Tippia wrote: Yes, largely because it would completely violate the dynamics of the game. If someone managed to shut down Jita, it would move somewhere else, and that is the proper response GÇö artificially maintaining it makes no sense whatsoever. If they did that, then the Goons would be in a position to say that GÇ£hey, CCP, someone is invading Deklein, please sic some NPCs at themGÇ¥ GÇö after all, that would just be another player-made concentration of [whatever] that now needs NPC protection.
Apologies if I misunderstand you.
But are you arguing that Goonswarm is too big to take consequence for ingame actions? I demonstrated that in the past a small alliance like Star Fraction has been punished by an npc organization for firing on its event actors. Which we were absolutely fine with. Why should Goonswarm be protected against the consequences of messing with an npc empire's sovereign space?
Here's the thing Tippia. You might not care about the roleplay side of eve and the way the npc's empires are pereceived by roleplayers in the game. But CCP themselves put a lot of effort into the backstory of New Eden and it is a bit ridiculous to consider that a massive attack on a commercial hub in Jita would not have some political consequences.
I'm not saying that CCP should intervene to STOP the goons burning Jita. Let them do it if they can. I am saying there should be consequences for their organization longer term.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Beckie DeLey
Brigade of Guards SpaceMonkey's Alliance
45
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:23:00 -
[68] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:I am saying there should be consequences for their organization longer term.
There are. They are pissing off a lot of people who will now surely come after them!
Oh wait. It's The Legendary Extraordinary Me |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
311
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:27:00 -
[69] - Quote
Nah, let GSF remain. Atleast all major dung in one pile, easier to find that way.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
879
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:28:00 -
[70] - Quote
VaMei wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on.
much as I might dislike the goons (need someone to dislike, ever since BoB fell ... )
... pretty much this. |
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Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
35
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:29:00 -
[71] - Quote
Othran wrote:Crap (active dev/GM interference) has been dropped in the "sandbox" from time to time.
People still believe in the sandbox.
BoB were once viewed in the same way as Goons are now. Things change, when they stop changing Eve is dead.
Pretty much this no matter how I personally dislike goons I think people are overreacting.
1. They are nowhere as powerful as most people think 2. They are not yet up to the point where the whole rest of the game will descent upon them as they did against bob 3. They are very much vulnerable to breaking under pressure from inside.
And if by any case all this fails CCP will just shuffle the moon goo again and break their back that way. |
Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
35
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:30:00 -
[72] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Nah, let GSF remain. Atleast all major dung in one pile, easier to find that way.
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Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
35
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:31:00 -
[73] - Quote
Honestly? I wouldn't care one way or the other. I'm pretty sure most of EVE's player base also wouldn't give a toss either way.
On a purely theoretical level though, I'm against interference in a sandbox game. But I've yet to see one where developers or GMs didn't interfere or facilitate things for certain groups. So I feel it balances out somewhat.
As long as they are doing what they're doing within acceptable limits without intentionally attempting to do things like crash the server, they can do whatever they like as far as I'm concerned. But once behaviour crosses that line, I've been people banned in just about every MMO, so why should Goons in EVE be any different? |
Avid Bumhumper
Furian Necromongers
55
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:33:00 -
[74] - Quote
I doubt many people care about Jita burn or Goons in general. CCP is running such a broken game now.
What with a few large 0.0 Alliances making so much isk they couldn't possible spend it on anything other than ship replacement and new cars, the sandbox has filled up with cement. The moon-goo realignment made it possible for a few large alliances to control everything, have to wonder what they were thinking when they did it. No one can fight these Tech holders now, because no matter how good you are, you can't replace ships endlessly unless you already have the tech.
In game paradox, best dox.
My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale..... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6280
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:34:00 -
[75] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:But are you arguing that Goonswarm is too big to take consequence for ingame actions? No, I'm arguing that the Goons, having pissed off a whole bunch of players (and really no-one else), should have the consequences of those actions being meted out by players.
The example you showed was an alliance being punished for messing things up for (essentially) NPCsGǪ or game-master characters, which in ye olde pen-and-paper RPG days were the same thing. So their being given an NPC-related punishment made some sliver of sense.
In this case, though, the goons are going after players in a player-created environment where players have chosen to congregate en masse. The only special thing about it is that CCP has it on its own reinforced node, but that's not reason enough to have NPCs punish the goons for breaking up the party. If it causes any problems, it might be reason enough to punish the network technicians for not being able to reinforce the node of whatever new trading hub springs up from the ashes (should it actually go that far, which would be insanely awesome). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3515
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:40:00 -
[76] - Quote
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Let the goons have their way. If there are no targets any more they will all celebrate their victories in a world where noone cares but themselves. It's ok to lose interest.
Fortunately, not all non-goons are terrible weaksauce scaredy-pusses like yourself. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
773
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:43:00 -
[77] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
Are you asking because you don't know how to feel yourself and need someone to tell you the popular opinion, or are you just secretly hoping someone will teach you how to spell "DISBAND"?
Here's your sign... |
Mara Villoso
Big Box The Toy Box
70
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:44:00 -
[78] - Quote
TWHC Assistant wrote:Mara Villoso wrote:TWHC Assistant wrote:What people do not seem to get is that the high price of Technetium is primarily caused by people fighting over it, but not by controlling it. You must be crazy. Two people competing with one another to sell an item they both have leads to competitive pricing. Cartels control the price for the purpose of raising it. In fact, the announcement of OTEC says EXACTLY THAT. Goons are more than two people. They will want to sell every bit of Technetium they get out of the moons. It will lead to a flooding and they would be stupid if they did not lower the price by i.e. 10% in order to sell 20% more. Profit is not defined by price alone, it is price * volume / time. You completely misunderstood both OTEC and my comment. OTEC is not just Goonswarm, so the competition that might have been experienced by GSF selling against whoever else would have lead to price declines as they competed for the market. This is economics 101. The Cartel's STATED PURPOSE (srsly did you read it) is to raise the prices. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
31
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:46:00 -
[79] - Quote
CCP disbanning the GOONs over Jita Burn? honestly I love the idea but....you should have known there would be one. Disbanning over the Jita burning would not solve anything they j start a new corp/alliance with a new name and still be the center of the drama llama **** storm that they love to create. i say just ban the lot for 30 dadys if they create problems via forum with an alt they missed ban them for another 90 days and if that still does not work perma ban them |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
62
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:52:00 -
[80] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
Another Dumb Post, CCP has never said they would interfere, only drama queen posters have said that.
The whole thing is 100% made up drama queen bullshit.
Why would CCP care?
If they were going to give in to care bear whines they would have a long time ago.
*facepalm*
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:59:00 -
[81] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies. Are you asking because you don't know how to feel yourself and need someone to tell you the popular opinion, or are you just secretly hoping someone will teach you how to spell "DISBAND"?
You caught me. I really just wanted to learn how to spell all variants of disband before a big spelling test tomorrow.
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FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
95
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:04:00 -
[82] - Quote
Mara Villoso wrote:A clever, appropriate action for the Jita Burn event. I like this very much.
I think this would be perfect as well. The caldari state should be rightly pissed that goonswarm is going to take so much income away from them, ganking capsuleers that would otherwise be paying rediculous amounts of sales taxes on buying/selling goods.
At any rate, Goons are just a long-lasting soap opera star in this series called All My Capsuleers. They get the most attention because they do the most visible stuff. Nothing new there, really. "I do believe in karma. -áThat means that whenever I do something sh**y to others, they somehow deserved it." |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1945
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:10:00 -
[83] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The example you showed was an alliance being punished for messing things up for (essentially) NPCsGǪ or game-master characters, which in ye olde pen-and-paper RPG days were the same thing. So their being given an NPC-related punishment made some sliver of sense.
Well not strictly so. It was an Event. There were players with their own agendas on both sides. Some were working against us, some wanted to defend Mordu's / SOE of course. It had an impact in their roleplay and understanding of the game world/
Tippia wrote:In this case, though, the goons are going after players in a player-created environment where players have chosen to congregate en masse. The only special thing about it is that CCP has it on its own reinforced node, but that's not reason enough to have NPCs punish the goons for breaking up the party. If it causes any problems, it might be reason enough to punish the network technicians for not being able to reinforce the node of whatever new trading hub springs up from the ashes (should it actually go that far, which would be insanely awesome).
I can see you have an argument for why they should take no consequence from the actions - but I still think its a bit weak and pathetic. Seriously, as the leader of a nihilistic armageddon-cult alliance the goonswarm exec should rejoice at being outlawed in response to this event. It would commemorate things in a way that forum whines never will.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
464
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:11:00 -
[84] - Quote
FeralShadow wrote:I think this would be perfect as well. The caldari state should be rightly pissed that goonswarm is going to take so much income away from them, ganking capsuleers that would otherwise be paying rediculous amounts of sales taxes on buying/selling goods. The amusing thing? The neutral alts and altcorps that are being used to trade and produce/compress in highsec. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Kinis Deren
EVE University Ivy League
43
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:17:00 -
[85] - Quote
OP, I would feel that CCP had gone too far and broken the spirit of the sandbox completely. I'd also feel the same if CCP stepped in and did something outside of normal game play mechanics (or game balancing) to influence what happens during the Burn Jita, death squad and technitium initiatives.
I dislike GSF but I fully support their freedom in making of the sandbox what they will, within the confines of the EULA and TOS. |
Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
200
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:18:00 -
[86] - Quote
Mara Villoso wrote:Sooner or later, CCP is going to have to come to grips with the "sandbox." If all content is player driven, then all content is player controlled. They can't let their game and their business be held hostage by a subgroup capable of manipulating the entire market, industrial base, and player experience. While I'm sure they'd like to pretend that all that is necessary is occasional refereeing, its clear its going to take more than that to keep the game experience legitimate.
Consider the Goons farming of miners. They build the ships and sell them, they gank them, repeat. An entire profession has been turned into a mini-game where the miner is little more than an NPC. Nothing outwardly wrong with that. All within the rules. Frankly, its also a thing of certain beauty. However, its a slap in the face to the relevant playerbase that they've become a toy for another human being. Its not so much about PvP and blowing things up and don't fly what you can't... or any of that. This is a problem at the meta-level. Players and organizations that thrive on the idea of making other people miserable can be relied on to make people miserable. Miserable people don't want to pay for that experience, so they won't. The further this goes and the more obvious the manipulation becomes, the more people will realize that they are playing a game where the cards are stacked against them and the less likely they are to continue playing. If I were the paranoid type, I would think it pretty obvious that some people are doing what they're doing for precisely that reason. They're playing EVE at a whole different level; they're playing against Hilmar.
Between contracts, trading, and other market hubs, there is no reason why anyone has to even buy what GSF has to offer. In all honesty it would be better if everyone boycotted them. Sure it might hurt prices or availability for a while. But this is the sandbox and you can always find more sand to play with elsewhere. "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Dragon Outlaw
The Scope Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:31:00 -
[87] - Quote
FeralShadow wrote:Mara Villoso wrote:A clever, appropriate action for the Jita Burn event. I like this very much. I think this would be perfect as well. The caldari state should be rightly pissed that goonswarm is going to take so much income away from them, ganking capsuleers that would otherwise be paying rediculous amounts of sales taxes on buying/selling goods. .
I agree as well...after all, the sandbox should also include the NPC governements of all four factions. When you create a universe where RL players and NPCs come across each other on a regular basis, one would expect to see some level of "reaction" from the 2nd group when the behaviour of the 1st group affects them (in good or bad).
It would be funny to see some CCP videos where characters from current Eve`s lore would mention some of the existing Player Alliances.
" So much blood has been spilled in the name of our faith. To many have died at the ends of Goonswarm Federation."...
just imagining here. |
Mara Villoso
Big Box The Toy Box
72
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:37:00 -
[88] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mara Villoso wrote:Sooner or later, CCP is going to have to come to grips with the "sandbox." If all content is player driven, then all content is player controlled. They can't let their game and their business be held hostage by a subgroup capable of manipulating the entire market, industrial base, and player experience. So you want them to shut down highsec?
You seem to have misread my comment as an extension of the perpetual and perpetually-missing-the-point forum argument of "carebear vs pvper" or "hisec vs nosec" or "bad guys vs good guys." The issue here is that in a total sandbox it is entirely possible that a subgroup can take over the game. It doesn't MATTER which subgroup it is. Which was precisely my point: CCP is going to have to decide whether or not this is a total sandbox. Because if the power is in the hands of the players, you can be absolutely certain that some group will seek to extend that power as far as permitted.
Let's go totally into theory land for a moment: imagine that a single group managed to grab total control of technetium and ice. Imagine that instead of selling it, they kept it off the market. They provide their own industrial materials through mining, PI, etc. and simply withhold/deny the rest from/to everyone else. How long before EVE grinds to a halt? It would be totally within game rules and mechanics. But when does CCP step in and say, you know what, you're having an outsized effect on the game and it is affecting other players in an unintended way. When do they exert control over their own product?
I'm not here to argue the merits of any particular group's activities. Its irrelevant to do so if their actions are within the rules and mechanics. I'm simply commenting on the larger meta game. If anyone is getting caught up in reading this as Goon-specific, simply replace them in your mind with a group twice or three times that size. Imagine a coordinated group of 15k or 20k and what they could do if they put their minds to it.
(please don't bother telling me it isn't likely/probable/etc. That is irrelevant. It is definitely possible to do, however unlikely. You don't build things on the principle that bad things aren't likely. You build them so bad things can't happen at all.) |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:39:00 -
[89] - Quote
This seems really stupid... I dont even see how goons pewing jita is an in game offense? I mean dozens of people do it everyday that aren't goons.
Once again the notion even of this idea or a hypothetical is dumb. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
824
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:47:00 -
[90] - Quote
Why?
Goons are there to remind the players that no matter how terrible at the game you are, it could be worse.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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TWHC Assistant
3
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:48:00 -
[91] - Quote
Mara Villoso wrote:You completely misunderstood both OTEC and my comment. OTEC is not just Goonswarm, so the competition that might have been experienced by GSF selling against whoever else would have lead to price declines as they competed for the market. This is economics 101. The Cartel's STATED PURPOSE (srsly did you read it) is to raise the prices. No. Goons have been trolling EVE from the start, you are being paranoid and you judge before anything has happened. You might try reading Life 101, if there is such a thing. |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
11
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:53:00 -
[92] - Quote
In theory big alliance with super coordination may destroy any online game, espetialy while some alliances got 8000+ members and 100+ corporation inside ally, but in fact, 50%-60% characters in GF are alts so they have max 4000+ active members with a lot casuals etc, but only in theory, in reality is not possible to control or destroy big online game like EvE because EvE mechanic and economy it self may defend alone withaut CCP nterfere.
EvE is sandbox but mass persecution or grief in large scale is not alowed , is like smartbombing newbis area where newbis start, is hard to define grief in EvE, because action like hulkagedon are legit
Some Definition of grief for wiki
"Blocking another player's way so they cannot move or get out of a particular area, or access an in-game resource (such as a non-player character.
Wikipedia definition of Griefing.
" Blocking another player's way so they cannot move or get out of a particular area, or access an in-game resource (such as a non-player character)"
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Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:53:00 -
[93] - Quote
How would I feel? I would probably feel something best described as relief followed by jubilation at not having to play EVE anymore. However, I doubt CCP would be so merciful. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1431
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:02:00 -
[94] - Quote
I would bow down to their sheer awesomeness.
And the rats would flee from the sinking ship and join other groups.
CCP would retain a vast majority of former goon accounts and all will be right in the world. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
387
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:05:00 -
[95] - Quote
I would have no strong feelings one way or the other. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:05:00 -
[96] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
ambivalently |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
138
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:21:00 -
[97] - Quote
Justice Comes wrote:VaMei wrote:That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on. Confucius says, "Even a sandbox has walls." Indeed it does. CCP makes the walls, they us where they are, and they tell us not to touch them. So long as we stay inside those walls we're allowed, even encouraged, to do whatever the mechanics of the game will allow.
Whether you want to build castles or kick them down and throw sand in everyone's face, as long as you don't touch the walls, you're doing it right. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
465
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:23:00 -
[98] - Quote
.Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies. No, you don't have to be sorry, all the forum-goers would love a CCP button push of some sort. Apologizing for thinking that will discredit you in the eyes of EVE-O. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Ai Shun
741
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:25:00 -
[99] - Quote
VaMei wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on.
Pretty much this. The Goons play EVE very well. They may be reviled, they may be excellent villains, but they really do play EVE to the max. They get it and any heavy handed attempts to remove them would ruin the concept of the game for me. EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
58
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:49:00 -
[100] - Quote
Justice Comes wrote:VaMei wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on. Confucius says, "Even a sandbox has walls." The sahara desert has no walls. |
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Brom MkLeith
Epsilon Inc STORM.
18
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:10:00 -
[101] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
I would not want to see CCP disband ANY alliance or corp out of hand. I don't like the goonies and their cyberbully ways. But that's no reason to bring out the ban hammer. The goonies and their fuehrer are simply meta gamers who will push and push until the game mechanics are changed to mitigate their effects. It's not a game breaker, it's evolution. Hopefully it fixes some of the holes in this game and makes it better. (Uh oh.... I think I just gave the goonies credit for making EvE a better game.) But CCP has to put on their big girl panties and make tough but solid decisions that will help this game grow out of the douchebag image that it's gaining.
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
294
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:17:00 -
[102] - Quote
Wouldn't matter to me in the slightest.
The beauty of a true sandbox is that no one entity is strictly necessary for this game to function, despite deluding themselves otherwise. The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:26:00 -
[103] - Quote
IMO forum threads about goons (created by non-goons) are most overestimated threads on this forum. And OP is not helping at all. Since there is more chance that CCP recolor space in shades of pink... in which case there should be some reason to worry... ...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |
Ai Shun
745
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:26:00 -
[104] - Quote
Jayrendo Karr wrote:The sahara desert has no walls.
The Atlantic, Suez Canal, bits of Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco and Chad, Sudan, etc. all seem like bits where the Sahara ends in a "wall" ...
EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
707
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:36:00 -
[105] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Just build a bigger Goon to beat them.
^ This.
And rebuild is exactly what we would do, btw, if CCP ever lost their goddamned minds and tried to violate the sandbox to appease a bunch of morons who can't stand the game enough to play it themselves. We'd reform immediately under a very similar name, reclaim our space over a long weekend, and would never let CCP forget it.
IS it just me or are all these anti-Goon threads turning into outright wankfests? Try reading the op's post in a breathless voice. It's sick. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
88
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:40:00 -
[106] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
why bother answering questions that are make believe? you might as well ask what would you do if CCP added a flying gryphon mount to the game.
It's not going to happen.. the only reason they would do anything is if they preceived that Goons are breaking the Eula.. or after the fact they may make balancing changes to the game if they preceive there a balance problem with something the Goons try that hasn't been done before..
So why ask this question? are you trying to gin up bad feelings for CCP? not a good idea. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
707
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:41:00 -
[107] - Quote
While a flying gryphon mount is stupid, I wouldn't mind to be able to ride my Rifter like Dr. Strangelove while ship spinning. |
Runar Hawk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:45:00 -
[108] - Quote
what a ******** thread |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
955
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:47:00 -
[109] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Something to consider. Eve certainly is a sandbox but its not just a sandbox. It has a backstory, npc empires, history and all kinds of make-believe set dressing that help people suspend their disbelief and get involved with the grand space opera goings on. If it was just a sandbox you'd have 5000 empty systems for players to do what they will in and not much else. Now the reason that the goons (or anyone else) can pull off an event that will lead to the screaming and wailing and gnashing of teeth of the empire dwellers is that there is an empire space - there is an area of Eve that has some protection against nihilistic destruction cults in Null. If that area wasn't there you wouldn't have the carebears to terrify in the first place. My position on all this is that it would be sad and rubbish for CCP to ban the goons over this kind of thing. But it would be perfectly fair for CCP to roleplay some kind of consequence as a result of this. Jita is the biggest trading hub in Eve and commercial capital of the caldari state. Is it that much of a stretch to believe that the npc leaders of the caldari state might set Goonswarm -10 for the duration? Or that Concord itself might respond to a weekends slaughter by globally setting all members of goonswawm -10 for a month as punishment. It seems to me that Mittani through goonswarm is setting himself up for a massive pissing match with CCP through the medium of Jita burning and he's stacking the deck. If CCP do nothing he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do anything) and if CCP do something then he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do nothing). But what would be a reasonable response from CCP is to simply roleplay the responses of the NPC empires that are impacted by this kind of thing. A few years ago my own corporation got involved with a small event run by CCP that ended up with us firing on a couple of event actors flying Mordu's Legion merc cruisers defending a Sisters of Eve convoy. The event actors at the time got furious with us and promised consequences which they duly delivered. For the next three years Star Fraction was officially set -5 by Mordu's Legion. That ruled out missioning in pureblind and messed about with refine efficiency and all that jazz. But it was cool. We did an in game action (executing a mordu's commander guy) and we were prepared to take the consequence. Goonswarm is an organization hundreds of times bigger than SF ever was. Its capability to mess with the server is far greater than our alliance could dream of. But I see no reason why it should be above consequences for messing with the sovereign space of npc empires. Best outcome is that Goonswarm get to burn jita to their heart's content and then the event team work out an appropriate sanction in roleplay terms to demonstrate there is a consequence to attacking the biggest trading hub in Eve. But if the Goons were then to howl and shout and call foul play over it. Well, then we'd know who the real carebears of Eve actually were.
nerd |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1061
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:51:00 -
[110] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? How would I view something that can't possibly happen ? The same way I view all the other things that can't possibly happen. With indifference. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |
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Dungar's Sister
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:53:00 -
[111] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Something to consider. Eve certainly is a sandbox but its not just a sandbox. It has a backstory, npc empires, history and all kinds of make-believe set dressing that help people suspend their disbelief and get involved with the grand space opera goings on. If it was just a sandbox you'd have 5000 empty systems for players to do what they will in and not much else. Now the reason that the goons (or anyone else) can pull off an event that will lead to the screaming and wailing and gnashing of teeth of the empire dwellers is that there is an empire space - there is an area of Eve that has some protection against nihilistic destruction cults in Null. If that area wasn't there you wouldn't have the carebears to terrify in the first place. My position on all this is that it would be sad and rubbish for CCP to ban the goons over this kind of thing. But it would be perfectly fair for CCP to roleplay some kind of consequence as a result of this. Jita is the biggest trading hub in Eve and commercial capital of the caldari state. Is it that much of a stretch to believe that the npc leaders of the caldari state might set Goonswarm -10 for the duration? Or that Concord itself might respond to a weekends slaughter by globally setting all members of goonswawm -10 for a month as punishment. It seems to me that Mittani through goonswarm is setting himself up for a massive pissing match with CCP through the medium of Jita burning and he's stacking the deck. If CCP do nothing he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do anything) and if CCP do something then he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do nothing). But what would be a reasonable response from CCP is to simply roleplay the responses of the NPC empires that are impacted by this kind of thing. A few years ago my own corporation got involved with a small event run by CCP that ended up with us firing on a couple of event actors flying Mordu's Legion merc cruisers defending a Sisters of Eve convoy. The event actors at the time got furious with us and promised consequences which they duly delivered. For the next three years Star Fraction was officially set -5 by Mordu's Legion. That ruled out missioning in pureblind and messed about with refine efficiency and all that jazz. But it was cool. We did an in game action (executing a mordu's commander guy) and we were prepared to take the consequence. Goonswarm is an organization hundreds of times bigger than SF ever was. Its capability to mess with the server is far greater than our alliance could dream of. But I see no reason why it should be above consequences for messing with the sovereign space of npc empires. Best outcome is that Goonswarm get to burn jita to their heart's content and then the event team work out an appropriate sanction in roleplay terms to demonstrate there is a consequence to attacking the biggest trading hub in Eve. But if the Goons were then to howl and shout and call foul play over it. Well, then we'd know who the real carebears of Eve actually were. Are you hitting on us, I only ask because I figured you only write that many words about "consequences" and what not in your erp chat sessions. |
Derek Wiildstar
Wolfstar Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:59:00 -
[112] - Quote
I've never seen a goon in game. From the way everyone talks about em, they most be 10 feet tall and shoot lighting out of their asses.
Frankly if CPP should do anything, they should get rid of Jitta. Regional trading hubs would make Eve a more interesting game. Trading should be about trickle down rather than centralized hubs runs. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
723
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:05:00 -
[113] - Quote
Derek Wiildstar wrote:I've never seen a goon in game. From the way everyone talks about em, they most be 10 feet tall and shoot lighting out of their asses.
Frankly if CPP should do anything, they should get rid of Jitta. Regional trading hubs would make Eve a more interesting game. Trading should be about trickle down rather than centralized hubs runs. There will also be at least one "main" hub, eve has become a little centralized though.
Logistics needs a need IMHO, jump freighters are making it too easy to move high volumes of goods around risk free :( its bad enough the way carriers have become personal logistics assets, CCP should really nip it in the bud before it gets worse.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
118
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:09:00 -
[114] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game
Again, my apologies.
I don't envision such ever occurring
What would happen would be what we've seen happening with things like Titans - nerf here, nerf there, nerf there, etc. The game mechanics would adjust making it impossible for a group to do things like that. Simply put - they wouldn't stop them, they'd just "fix it"
As I muttered to myself about the Titan nerfs and such: "Actions do have consequences here - if they'd stuck with capital and super cap targets, nothing would have been nerfed but they didn't."
If they keep pushing, the designers will "adjust" things so they can't push too far/hard.
How? In any number of ways... all supposition but here are a couple fairly easy "fixes" that would hurt.
"Burn Jita!" - lose empire standings and apply standings to use of gates and stations - so the gates to that empire deny access & open fire, any affiliated stations won't let you dock, concord is called, etc..
Price fixing - Make the stuff available across all space - highsec, lowsec, wormholes... It goes from "rare resource" available in only one type of space to "common", removing the ability to control like that
Death squads - Simply extend standings penalties like "burn jita" outlines. Killing "friendlies" in an empire's space leads to that empire declaring you an outlaw and none of their stations will allow docking, all of their gates will open fire on you and their navy would show up. Returning fire on gates would lead to concord involvement, etc
The loss of station access would be any of their stations - high, low or null, until you fixed your faction standings. Let's see how long they spend killing people when that costs them access to all of a factions resources and their allies (Gallente = Minmitar & SoE and other access loss too - Caldari = Amarr, etc...) - that also could kill access to many nullsec NPC controlled stations and that isn't trivial.
"Grinding Sec status" is often considered nothing. Losing the ability to dock at a large chunk of NPC stations? ... A lot more extreme. Gates opening fire? Why exclude pods from the fire list? ... etc, etc, etc.
Just a few off the top ideas that would gut such efforts yet fit with "game lore" and such.
No, not "disbanding them" - but I do think they'd come up with ways that would make it pretty close to impossible to get people to participate in it via game changes that would infuriate some but would address the concerns with enough "game logic" to back them up on the changes.
Look back to the older wardec mechanisims and the "Privateers nerf" - they had half of highsec wardec'd for lulz and a "change" came in that pushed the costs too high. "Some" outrage and a great deal of laughter from others. |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
45
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:10:00 -
[115] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Well, maybe CCP can add more CONTENT to make it more challenging to hold a large dominance with an alliance?
But hey its CCP we're talking about, no real content :) Usually 1) half finished 2) half thought out 3) unbalanced 4) boring after zero day. Reminds me of Commodore's final days.
It does not say much you for you or your views, that you see the game this way and are STILL here.
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
228
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:13:00 -
[116] - Quote
You mean the corporation GoonWaffe or the alliance Goonswarm Federation ? They are not the same thing.
And disbanding the alliance will do nothing.
As others have said if a mechanic gets out of hand then it will be changed. If a person or group of people break the rules they will get banned.
So far the Goon's have done, well nothing at all. There is a whole lot of talk about what if and so forth and so on but other then that.......nothing.
I have seen some posts by GoonWaffe as for the rest of the alliance not a peep. Nothing so far has happened in game, in fact if you don't read the forums you would have no idea about Hulkeggeddon or JITA whatever.
At this point people are just crying wolf.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
240
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:18:00 -
[117] - Quote
Xython wrote:While a flying gryphon mount is stupid, I wouldn't mind to be able to ride my Rifter like Dr. Strangelove while ship spinning.
You are terrible. It was Major Kong that did that. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
707
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:21:00 -
[118] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:My position on all this is that it would be sad and rubbish for CCP to ban the goons over this kind of thing. But it would be perfectly fair for CCP to roleplay some kind of consequence as a result of this.
Jita is the biggest trading hub in Eve and commercial capital of the caldari state. Is it that much of a stretch to believe that the npc leaders of the caldari state might set Goonswarm -10 for the duration? Or that Concord itself might respond to a weekends slaughter by globally setting all members of goonswawm -10 for a month as punishment.
:WORDS:
I just realized what my problem with this post is.
Your argument is that in response to Player Driven Content that CCP should create what you call Role Playing Content. Either Sanctions by the NPC corps, or some other form of artificial game mechanic punishment for Goons.
But here's the thing. Even ignoring the downright disgusting violation of the Sandbox that having CCP directly punish Goons for something not in violation of any TOS or EULA...
What you're suggesting flies in the face of what EVE is.
No, really, it does. I can see where you're coming from, please listen to where I'm coming from.
EVE is a sandbox -- the only Sandbox MMORPG. Because of that, EVE is "real."
What this means is that when Goonswarm pisses off some alliance full of paste eaters like Raiden(DOT), we don't have a GM generated script set them to -10 for x months on our behalf or whatnot. The real players behind those accounts set us red and we shoot the hell out of each other for months or years.
Your Role Playing consequences -- while certainly cool, don't get me wrong here -- is daily life in nullsec. And we don't even have to get CCP to help us do it. That's why EVE is so amazing, warts and all.
You are suggesting that we replace player driven content with CCP developed scripts. And they wouldn't even be all that intelligent of scripts, to boot. Why would we be interested in that when we already get that from Nullsec, every day?
Now, I do agree that there are some interesting ideas hiding there: For example, nullsec rats could be made dynamic based on the NPC standings whatever corp or alliance holds the space (although, does the game track corp/alliance NPC standings?) I myself suggested that CCP is being remiss if they don't have a nice huge Incursion land in Jita during all this (Concord forces being weakened by Goonswarm's attack).
Now I do take umbrage with one thing about your post -- CCP doesn't lose anything if they do nothing about the Jita Holocaust. Far from it. Remember, CCP has banked their entire company on the future of Sandbox MMORPGs -- EVE, and World of Darkness. The thing that makes EVE so special is the fact that Goonswarm can fly in and attack Jita, even with the consequences.
If CCP is on the ball they will be playing this up to the nines in the press, with live Jita cams, maybe a cinematic trailer (hell, I know Goons and TEST will be making some of those if nothing else), hell, maybe even invite some Gaming Journalists to survey the damage with the GMs.
In short, this is hardly Mittani vs CCP. CCP wins either way. This was planned months before Mittani got thrown under the bus by CCP after the sockpuppet alt brigade tried to kill the CCP/Sony deal and forced their hand. We just now are all really motivated to make the people in Jita suffer, whereas before we were doing this as a victory lap. |
Sid Hudgens
32
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:22:00 -
[119] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? .
I would spend at least two weeks laughing uncontrollably and when that was done I would ensure that whomever at CCP made the decision would never have to pay for a drink for the rest of their lives.
"....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
707
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:25:00 -
[120] - Quote
Simetraz wrote:At this point people are just crying wolf.
It's actually fear, not paranoia. Prey can sense predators circling in the distance. It is, after all, this Saturday that Nullsec comes home to Empire, that we will be giving the fat and the complacent a taste of the true EVE experience.
They are panicking now. In 4 days, they will be screaming in terror and impotent rage, begging CCP to save them.
And it will be glorious. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
468
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:27:00 -
[121] - Quote
Mocam wrote:The loss of station access would be any of their stations - high, low or null, until you fixed your faction standings. Let's see how long they spend killing people when that costs them access to all of a factions resources and their allies (Gallente = Minmitar & SoE and other access loss too - Caldari = Amarr, etc...) - that also could kill access to many nullsec NPC controlled stations and that isn't trivial.
"Grinding Sec status" is often considered nothing. Losing the ability to dock at a large chunk of NPC stations? ... A lot more extreme. Gates opening fire? Why exclude pods from the fire list? ... etc, etc, etc.
Just a few off the top ideas that would gut such efforts yet fit with "game lore" and such. You *do* know about all the non-corp alts that can be used to buy items, refine 100% and also get minimum taxes, right?
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
296
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:29:00 -
[122] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
[le snip]
nerd
Shallow, immature, little-minded wanker.
E: Apropos nothing else whatsoever, false-consenus effect is a grand thing, eh, goonie? The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:32:00 -
[123] - Quote
Justice Comes wrote:VaMei wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on. Confucius says, "Even a sandbox has walls."
this but yeah disbanding them wouldnt DO anything, theyd just reform?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:37:00 -
[124] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:Justice Comes wrote: Confucius says, "Even a sandbox has walls."
Best reply ever. Even so, I don't think forcibly disbanding goons would be a good precedent or action, nor would it stop goons (or other entities) from doing the same thing all over again. Besides, they already cascaded once, and came back stronger than ever. Band of Brothers has cascaded at least three times now, and they're still around in some form. Goons are bound by a common out-of-game website (SomethingAwful) and would probably still be almost if not just as effective as they are now if they were a decentralized ingame entity.
well supposedly the death squad is breaking the rules of griefing. Isnt that "killing ONE PERSON over and over in excess" like they quoted thousands of times during the interdiction?
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
532
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:38:00 -
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Id probably think about quitting if they were disbanded and ive been banned twice from these forums by goon complaining on mass I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
141
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:40:00 -
[126] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed Surely you meant best case.
Post with your monkey. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:43:00 -
[127] - Quote
Kinis Deren wrote:OP, I would feel that CCP had gone too far and broken the spirit of the sandbox completely. I'd also feel the same if CCP stepped in and did something outside of normal game play mechanics (or game balancing) to influence what happens during the Burn Jita, death squad and technitium initiatives.
I dislike GSF but I fully support their freedom in making of the sandbox what they will, within the confines of the EULA and TOS.
what if instead of disbanding then they had Jove/ the real sansha invasion jack them up in 0.0? IE an in story reason for them to go down (theyre funnily in position of this were Battletech to get all KINDS of jacked up from behind with the invading Clans lol
Sorry Im on pain killers not thinking right
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
707
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:50:00 -
[128] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Sorry Im on pain killers not thinking right
Finally, a pubbie with a legit excuse.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:05:00 -
[129] - Quote
Xython wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Sorry Im on pain killers not thinking right Finally, a pubbie with a legit excuse.
Ever hear of a radial head excision? Had one yesterday
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Cabon Scout
Ghost Net Industrialists Rebel Alliance of New Eden
0
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:08:00 -
[130] - Quote
As one pilot said, band together and kick the goons in the balls. I think the goons are awesome, they push the limits. If we get tired of it well then it's time for the other players to do something about it. We don't need CCP to get involved. |
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Cabon Scout
Ghost Net Industrialists Rebel Alliance of New Eden
0
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:08:00 -
[131] - Quote
Cabon Scout wrote:As one pilot said, band together and kick the goons in the balls. I think the goons are awesome, they push the limits. If we get tired of it well then it's time for the other players to do something about it. We don't need CCP to get involved.
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:28:00 -
[132] - Quote
Derp ~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
472
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:07:00 -
[133] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:what if instead of disbanding then they had Jove/ the real sansha invasion jack them up in 0.0? IE an in story reason for them to go down (theyre funnily in position of this were Battletech to get all KINDS of jacked up from behind with the invading Clans lol
Sorry Im on pain killers not thinking right I'm not sure I get you, but you mean "really serious business" incursions in nullsec?
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
FlamesOfHeaven
Sarif Digital Augmentation Research
17
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:07:00 -
[134] - Quote
It could go either way and I wouldnt care. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
882
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:12:00 -
[135] - Quote
Everyone is a Goon alt so no. |
ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
49
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:15:00 -
[136] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Everyone is a Goon alt so no.
no there are no goon alts, only mains! true story,,,,,oh btw got some space in Empire to sell ya too... Anyone want dibs on Jita? Jita will Burn-á 4/28/12 Angry Monkey Podast Host
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:24:00 -
[137] - Quote
Cabon Scout wrote:As one pilot said, band together and kick the goons in the balls. I think the goons are awesome, they push the limits. If we get tired of it well then it's time for the other players to do something about it. We don't need CCP to get involved.
Couldnt the other 0.0 pubbie er people attack Goons while theyre having their fun in Jita? now THAT would be EVE like. I doubt itd happen tho; 0.0 is too stagnated
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
472
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:24:00 -
[138] - Quote
ChYph3r wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Everyone is a Goon alt so no. no there are no goon alts, only mains! true story,,,,,oh btw got some space in Empire to sell ya too... Anyone want dibs on Jita? Only if I can restrict docking rights to its station by standings. Not Blue No Dock (NBND) of course. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:25:00 -
[139] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:what if instead of disbanding then they had Jove/ the real sansha invasion jack them up in 0.0? IE an in story reason for them to go down (theyre funnily in position of this were Battletech to get all KINDS of jacked up from behind with the invading Clans lol
Sorry Im on pain killers not thinking right I'm not sure I get you, but you mean "really serious business" incursions in nullsec?
Yeah sorta but it was a cover story for dev capships lol
Yeah I wont let the pain killers stop me from posting tho
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
325
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:26:00 -
[140] - Quote
Amused.
CSM7 Skype Leak
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
472
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:27:00 -
[141] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:I'm not sure I get you, but you mean "really serious business" incursions in nullsec? Yeah sorta but it was a cover story for dev capships lol Yeah I wont let the pain killers stop me from posting tho Uh, you know what happened the devs decided to wander about in ships? Someone (not us) hotdropped titans and blew them all up in short order.
Then imagine they come in dev capital ships? Oh my ~ Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:58:00 -
[142] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:I'm not sure I get you, but you mean "really serious business" incursions in nullsec? Yeah sorta but it was a cover story for dev capships lol Yeah I wont let the pain killers stop me from posting tho Uh, you know what happened the devs decided to wander about in ships? Someone (not us) hotdropped titans and blew them all up in short order. Then imagine they come in dev capital ships? Oh my ~
Yeah but if they decided to REALLY not care? Bring in night invincible ships that oneshot everything in space an call it a Jove invasion lol THAT type of thing not just "dev ships"
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
724
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:10:00 -
[143] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Uh, you know what happened the devs decided to wander about in ships? Someone (not us) hotdropped titans and blew them all up in short order.
Then imagine they come in dev capital ships? Oh my ~ I still think CCP should have planned for that eventually, and had a counter drop ready.
Would have been hilarious to see PL's titan fleet wiped out by CCP.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:26:00 -
[144] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
There are ways to deal with ingame issues like this without disbanding them - if interdictions are someones idea, or whatever, then that will cause a reaction in the player base, the cowards will leave, the fighters will band up and "build a better Goon" - and honestly, people say the Goons are huge and unstoppable, but they are just people, they started out in rookie ships running around in mass... they rather broke EVE that way - it must be said (quote Fly Reckless) - but they are not unstoppable, and much of EVE is not in their hands, just check the map.
What you need to do is this... if you are afraid of this big boogy man, er bee... organize, and rise to the occassion, if you can't do this then EVE is not the game for you. but if you are afraid that the game will break? not likely, CCP will do what they will to not allow players to abuse their product and their company, so should the Goons, or anyone else, over step that boundry, the EULA and the company will deal with it.
Either way I have not had much mention, sightings, involvement or otherwise interaction with "goons" beyond the weekly listen to Voice from the Void... and the market right now is very nice for me... I am finally making some decent ISKcome. ...and Pinning/Toggle must be restored (paraphrase of Cicero). |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
4
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:27:00 -
[145] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
Just to clarify a couple of issues. First of all the Death squad project is not as original as you might think, and the whole stealth modus operandi is pretty similar to what GHSC has been doing (or was doing) for so many years.
Not to mention the so many grief wars that have been declared in EVE over some bad chosen wordings and such.
Secondly Goonswarm do not own the whole Technetium production. The technetium monopoly is something that existed in this form as well as in other forms (i can't remember the name of the moon goo that was an issue some years ago). CCP reacted to that creating alchemy, and most probably that solution is something they are thinking of for technetium, even before the fuss about OTEC comes into play.
As for CCP disbanding the goons for either of the stuff you are talking about. Not a good move, and won't happen.
They haven't disbanded corps and alliances that created a bigger uproar in the forums. If they do go out of their way for Goons then something is rotting within CCP and it ain't some forgotten sandwich in the fridge. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:02:00 -
[146] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Uh, you know what happened the devs decided to wander about in ships? Someone (not us) hotdropped titans and blew them all up in short order.
Then imagine they come in dev capital ships? Oh my ~ I still think CCP should have planned for that eventually, and had a counter drop ready. Would have been hilarious to see PL's titan fleet wiped out by CCP.
It IS however kinda funny they DIDNT think of that and that the inmates are running the asylum lol
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:06:00 -
[147] - Quote
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
What you need to do is this... if you are afraid of this big boogy man, er bee... organize, and rise to the occassion, if you can't do this then EVE is not the game for you. but if you are afraid that the game will break? not likely, CCP will do what they will to not allow players to abuse their product and their company, so should the Goons, or anyone else, over step that boundry, the EULA and the company will deal with it.
As evidenced by BoB, they dont have a history of this actually. Its been quite the opposite. BoB stepped over that line quite often, then when the Goons or anyone else did, punishments were meted out. Thats them Devhax ppl were talking about. Once they took that away, BoB crumpled.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2012.04.26 04:08:00 -
[148] - Quote
The sociopath alliance is starting to remind me of that Southpark WoW epsiode.
Only difference was the unstoppable guy in Southpark did it all through legit gameplay. He had no opportunity to use all the metagame tools goons use.
Bottom line, between these clowns and their test pets, they have a 14,000 char power bloc that under current game mechanics is omnipotent within the game. And people forget that BoB died due to metagaming when a dir pulled the plug from the inside.
The last superpower bloc (NC) died when they basically did not bother fighting for their turf against the bot funded russian supercap fleets. The combination of apathy and bot funded shipsis pretty tough.
goons, however, are a different animal. They feed on other peoples' pain. And CCP's affords them a plethora of ways to cause that pain. CCP's own complacency and short-sightedness is allowing these idiots the ultimate grief: Don't just drive a bunch of players from a game, but drive so many away you bring a company to their knees.
Can you imagine that asshat who fashions himself as their dear leader 2 or 3 years from now: "Yeah, I was so brilliant I managed to actually bankrupt a gaming company by destroying their flafship game from within." He would kill to be able to say that. And he is trying.
Fortunately, I think that in this case the marketing and accounting people will ride to the rescue and scream so loud that CCP will have to deal with this cancer. I usually hate marketing and accounting people, but they are the white knights compared to the allies within the CCP dev team that this cancer has. |
Will Hunter
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.26 04:14:00 -
[149] - Quote
furtermore, |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.04.26 04:20:00 -
[150] - Quote
Vince Snetterton wrote:The sociopath alliance is starting to remind me of that Southpark WoW epsiode.
Only difference was the unstoppable guy in Southpark did it all through legit gameplay. He had no opportunity to use all the metagame tools goons use.
Bottom line, between these clowns and their test pets, they have a 14,000 char power bloc that under current game mechanics is omnipotent within the game. And people forget that BoB died due to metagaming when a dir pulled the plug from the inside.
The last superpower bloc (NC) died when they basically did not bother fighting for their turf against the bot funded russian supercap fleets. The combination of apathy and bot funded shipsis pretty tough.
goons, however, are a different animal. They feed on other peoples' pain. And CCP's affords them a plethora of ways to cause that pain. CCP's own complacency and short-sightedness is allowing these idiots the ultimate grief: Don't just drive a bunch of players from a game, but drive so many away you bring a company to their knees.
Can you imagine that asshat who fashions himself as their dear leader 2 or 3 years from now: "Yeah, I was so brilliant I managed to actually bankrupt a gaming company by destroying their flafship game from within." He would kill to be able to say that. And he is trying.
Fortunately, I think that in this case the marketing and accounting people will ride to the rescue and scream so loud that CCP will have to deal with this cancer. I usually hate marketing and accounting people, but they are the white knights compared to the allies within the CCP dev team that this cancer has.
why don't you start by unsubbing? |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
692
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Posted - 2012.04.26 04:22:00 -
[151] - Quote
that'd be gay as hell, because empire whiners not only shouldn't be respected by CCP; they should be actively abused by CCP like whenever a weenis starts making a stupid post about how he shouldn't have to deal with a wardec or increase his ship's ehp because he can't be bothered to fit a tank, a GM presses a button that instantly blows up his ship and instantly pods him
this would be the exact opposite of that so i would be upset if goons were disbanded |
ReptilesBlade
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
16
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Posted - 2012.04.26 04:23:00 -
[152] - Quote
Great joy would fill my being. |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
365
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Posted - 2012.04.26 05:14:00 -
[153] - Quote
Nope, that's going too far. If CCP did something like that, it would **** even me off. I love flying titans in Jita, setting bubbles in Rens,-áor firing off bombs from my stealth bomber-áin Dodixie!-á Just think, if Eve wasn't a sandbox, none of this would be possible! |
Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.04.26 05:36:00 -
[154] - Quote
Personally dont care one way or the other.
This is CCP's sandbox, we are visitors. If we dont like it, dont pay your sub |
Araviel
Spiritus Draconis
15
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Posted - 2012.04.26 05:46:00 -
[155] - Quote
Does anyone remember when CCP launched their CONCORD blacksquads to break up m0o gate camps? or when they had Serpentis attack BOB shipyards in fountain? just a few examples- CCP has interfered plenty of times in the past. and i cant remember anyone screaming oh noes the sandbox is broken back then.
(note- i dont think ccp should break up goonswarm, but like what jade said, some kind of NPC consequence for their actions could very well be in order) |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1243
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:30:00 -
[156] - Quote
Moved from EVE General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Jake Rivers
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
77
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Posted - 2012.04.28 03:30:00 -
[157] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
What a lame question, CCP loves seeing ships blow up.
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Brisco County
The Shadow Plague
37
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Posted - 2012.04.28 08:41:00 -
[158] - Quote
It would be the death of Eve. Taking the "bad guys" away from Eve would be tantamount to taking the orcs out of Warcraft 2. All you would have is a bunch of peons chopping wood all day with nobody to whip them. |
Valorian0Gruff
Ascendancy. The Ascendants.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.28 12:25:00 -
[159] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Just build a bigger Goon to beat them.
THIS! |
Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
291
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:56:00 -
[160] - Quote
Valorian0Gruff wrote:Miilla wrote:Just build a bigger Goon to beat them. THIS!
Xenuria has already begun waving its flag "DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini |
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ChaeDoc II
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
31
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Posted - 2012.04.28 16:03:00 -
[161] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:I think that RvB should be disbanded as well. How do you feel about that?
Can you imagine the impact that'd have on the Influence Map?
Me neither. |
ChaeDoc II
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
31
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Posted - 2012.04.28 16:05:00 -
[162] - Quote
Jennylicous wrote:CCP would just alter game mechanics to combat anything they see as detrimental to the game before disbanding an alliance. So suicide ganking would likely become a thing of the past or just more risky to the aggressors in whether they are successful (i.e. faster concord response times, and larger presence).
This pretty much.
Remove insurance payments for ships destroyed due to criminal activity and a large chunk of suicide ganks are no longer worthwhile. |
Lord Azeroth
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
11
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Posted - 2012.04.28 16:55:00 -
[163] - Quote
Could someone explain to me who these "Goons" are and what they do. Thanks !!! |
Dasquirrel715
Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
18
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:03:00 -
[164] - Quote
Jennylicous wrote:CCP would just alter game mechanics to combat anything they see as detrimental to the game before disbanding an alliance. So suicide ganking would likely become a thing of the past or just more risky to the aggressors in whether they are successful (i.e. faster concord response times, and larger presence).
You can't get much faster of a concord response to an alpha strike. Any faster and its preemptive. Concord is wicked fast as it is. Even with TiDi at 10% of normal Concord was there the instant the shots were fired. There is a reason these were alpha fleets. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
634
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:40:00 -
[165] - Quote
Digital Messiah wrote:Between contracts, trading, and other market hubs, there is no reason why anyone has to even buy what GSF has to offer. In all honesty it would be better if everyone boycotted them. Sure it might hurt prices or availability for a while. But this is the sandbox and you can always find more sand to play with elsewhere. The only way to boycott what GSF has to offer(technetium) is to boycott all(and I do mean ALL) T2 items.
Please do, it will make ganking ever so much easier. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
106
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:12:00 -
[166] - Quote
how is any of what is going on a problem
Lots of tech held by one power, rebalanced tech 2 junk for limiting materials being r64's, or balance moon redistribution, last year or two would have been great,..... ever is a good substitute.
And. jita is burning, people who gank get blown up, working as should.
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Signal11th
463
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Posted - 2012.04.29 20:11:00 -
[167] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Something to consider. Eve certainly is a sandbox but its not just a sandbox. It has a backstory, npc empires, history and all kinds of make-believe set dressing that help people suspend their disbelief and get involved with the grand space opera goings on. If it was just a sandbox you'd have 5000 empty systems for players to do what they will in and not much else. Now the reason that the goons (or anyone else) can pull off an event that will lead to the screaming and wailing and gnashing of teeth of the empire dwellers is that there is an empire space - there is an area of Eve that has some protection against nihilistic destruction cults in Null. If that area wasn't there you wouldn't have the carebears to terrify in the first place. My position on all this is that it would be sad and rubbish for CCP to ban the goons over this kind of thing. But it would be perfectly fair for CCP to roleplay some kind of consequence as a result of this. Jita is the biggest trading hub in Eve and commercial capital of the caldari state. Is it that much of a stretch to believe that the npc leaders of the caldari state might set Goonswarm -10 for the duration? Or that Concord itself might respond to a weekends slaughter by globally setting all members of goonswawm -10 for a month as punishment. It seems to me that Mittani through goonswarm is setting himself up for a massive pissing match with CCP through the medium of Jita burning and he's stacking the deck. If CCP do nothing he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do anything) and if CCP do something then he wins (because CCP is obviously too scared to do nothing). But what would be a reasonable response from CCP is to simply roleplay the responses of the NPC empires that are impacted by this kind of thing. A few years ago my own corporation got involved with a small event run by CCP that ended up with us firing on a couple of event actors flying Mordu's Legion merc cruisers defending a Sisters of Eve convoy. The event actors at the time got furious with us and promised consequences which they duly delivered. For the next three years Star Fraction was officially set -5 by Mordu's Legion. That ruled out missioning in pureblind and messed about with refine efficiency and all that jazz. But it was cool. We did an in game action (executing a mordu's commander guy) and we were prepared to take the consequence. Goonswarm is an organization hundreds of times bigger than SF ever was. Its capability to mess with the server is far greater than our alliance could dream of. But I see no reason why it should be above consequences for messing with the sovereign space of npc empires. Best outcome is that Goonswarm get to burn jita to their heart's content and then the event team work out an appropriate sanction in roleplay terms to demonstrate there is a consequence to attacking the biggest trading hub in Eve. But if the Goons were then to howl and shout and call foul play over it. Well, then we'd know who the real carebears of Eve actually were.
Quite an easy answer for ccp then, get the caldari empire to set any member of the GSF -5/-10 permanently. keeps it within the sandbox and looks like CCP have acted. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Mutheer Lelmata'eb
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.04.30 00:57:00 -
[168] - Quote
Araviel wrote:Does anyone remember when CCP launched their CONCORD blacksquads to break up m0o gate camps? or when they had Serpentis attack BOB shipyards in fountain? just a few examples- CCP has interfered plenty of times in the past. and i cant remember anyone screaming oh noes the sandbox is broken back then.
(note- i dont think ccp should break up goonswarm, but like what jade said, some kind of NPC consequence for their actions could very well be in order)
There was NPC consequence. CONCORD blew people up. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
637
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:03:00 -
[169] - Quote
Mutheer Lelmata'eb wrote:Araviel wrote:Does anyone remember when CCP launched their CONCORD blacksquads to break up m0o gate camps? or when they had Serpentis attack BOB shipyards in fountain? just a few examples- CCP has interfered plenty of times in the past. and i cant remember anyone screaming oh noes the sandbox is broken back then.
(note- i dont think ccp should break up goonswarm, but like what jade said, some kind of NPC consequence for their actions could very well be in order) There was NPC consequence. CONCORD blew people up. And they had their standings with CONCORD seriously affected. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
189
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:52:00 -
[170] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:In this case, though, the goons are going after players in a player-created environment where players have chosen to congregate en masse. The only special thing about it is that CCP has it on its own reinforced node, but that's not reason enough to have NPCs punish the goons for breaking up the party.
Funny you say that, because yesteday Goons did exactly that - petitioned CCP to get NPCs to punish us for breaking up their party. They were frustrated as hell at their inability to understand high sec aggression mechanics and getting repeatedly raped by us.
So being unable to counter us on fair grounds using in-game mechanics, DBRB petitioned CCP to get THORN Syndicate CONCORDed because we were griefing them in Jita. After all, if THEY didn't understand what we were doing, then we MUST be expoiting, right?
Oh the irony....
This ping went out on Goon Jabber about 10 minutes after we killed one of their logis in Jita:
[email protected]/directorbot: Seems ccp has finally done something right - THORN syndicate can no longer shoot us and all members doing so just got concorded :toot:
After sitting at the same spot for 10 minutes, I was CONCORDed out of the blue and took a large sec hit for it . Talk about whiny babies.
http://i.imgur.com/yUXgo.jpg
Yeah, so to all Goons in here whining about the "sandbox".... hypocrite much? - Crunchmeister, THORN Chief Diplo-á |
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Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:51:00 -
[171] - Quote
Crunchmeister wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:In this case, though, the goons are going after players in a player-created environment where players have chosen to congregate en masse. The only special thing about it is that CCP has it on its own reinforced node, but that's not reason enough to have NPCs punish the goons for breaking up the party. Funny you say that, because yesteday Goons did exactly that - petitioned CCP to get NPCs to punish us for breaking up their party. They were frustrated as hell at their inability to understand high sec aggression mechanics and getting repeatedly raped by us. So being unable to counter us on fair grounds using in-game mechanics, DBRB petitioned CCP to get THORN Syndicate CONCORDed because we were griefing them in Jita. After all, if THEY didn't understand what we were doing, then we MUST be expoiting, right? Oh the irony.... This ping went out on Goon Jabber about 10 minutes after we killed one of their logis in Jita: [email protected]/directorbot: Seems ccp has finally done something right - THORN syndicate can no longer shoot us and all members doing so just got concorded :toot:After sitting at the same spot for 10 minutes, I was CONCORDed out of the blue and took a large sec hit for it . Talk about whiny babies.
Dude, you can't plug your alliance thread without linking it, come one now. Here, let me help you:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102943&find=unread (This is a thread about that total super-burn of irony delivered to goons he's talking about up there, you should all pop in and read, it's TOTALLY not a metric crapton of THORN-guys congratulating themselves on a really, really great burn)
Dude, you can't promise linking superfunny image macros because we can't read your 4+-letter-words and then misspell "griefers". THAT'S A 4+ LETTER WORD, DUDE. HAVE A HEART, WILLYA? |
Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
192
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:56:00 -
[172] - Quote
Tsk tsk... the spelling **** strikes. Picking on spelling and grammar is always the last resort of someone with no valid argument.
Carry on though. Your tears are just as delicious as those of the rest of your alliance. - Crunchmeister, THORN Chief Diplo-á |
Crunchmeister
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
201
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:46:00 -
[173] - Quote
And on the actual topic (I guess I did stray a bit, but it was relevant), I wouldn't want CCP intervening unless someone is doing something that violates the ToS or EULA. As much as soon many people dislike Goons for what they do, one must remember that for better or worse, the people ARE the content in Eve. And the people form the corp that form the alliances that form the coalition. If CCP were to interfere in that natural order, it would essentially be destroying the sandbox. It would basically be the end of Eve for me if that happened. There should never be any CCP intervention for legal actions done within the confines of the game mechanics.
- Crunchmeister, THORN Chief Diplo-á |
Father Snuggles
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:29:00 -
[174] - Quote
Crunchmeister wrote:Tsk tsk... the spelling **** strikes. Picking on spelling and grammar is always the last resort of someone with no valid argument.
Carry on though. Your tears are just as delicious as those of the rest of your alliance.
No, dude, I can't read, that's why I'm asking you to not include such large words in your image macros. Keep it simple, hear me? |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.05.01 01:31:00 -
[175] - Quote
Another disband goons thread, how original.
Unfortunately for Jade Constantine who seems to think that CCP should treat different alliances different based on how we play in the sandbox, the NPCs of new eden treat everyone the same and only care about security status. In fact, the NPCs of the world have never once cared about alliance or corp affiliation (sans faction warfare). But yes, because we push the boundaries of the sandbox this core principle, that content in this game is created and driven by the players and not some ubiquitous CPU entity, should be throw aside to serious penalize the horrible goonies.
What you shouldn't be asking for is CCP to take action. Instead, you should be trying to counter us with player created content. Jade Constantine should arrive astride his great warhorse, lead the highsec masses in revolt and beat us yourself. You should gather the masses of highsec and come teach us a lesson. Enough people hate us that there shouldn't be a shortage of players willing to participate. Or is there?
Now we come to the real problem you face. Of course there is no shortage of goon haters. The problem is forming them into a cohesive whole long enough to deliver judgment. But there is no unifying figure to keep it together. Let's face it, Jade is no Mittani. The clashes of differing personalities and opinions would cripple any combined venture against us before it even began. It would dissolve into a horrible mess of infighting and then each party would go their own way. In light of this, you know that there is no way player-driven content would succeed in doing anything to us. Therefore, your only recourse to any actions we take is to approach CCP with your hand out, begging like the adopted orphans you are, for one more act of interference. They should be laughing at your lack of imagination, lack of initiative, lack of ambition. Instead of killing us yourself, you cry to CCP to lay the first blow.
Thankfully, CCP loves our player-driven content. They love to see us taking the game they made and doing what we will with it, which is, after all, the real purpose of a sandbox. Some people build sandcastles. We destroy them. All you have to do is get all the other kids to come and wreck our castle.
But it can't be done. And you know it. The result is threads like these. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
176
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:05:00 -
[176] - Quote
Effort.......belive it or not, there's actually not that many people that care about what you turds do tbh. You blued most of EVE and NIP'ed the rest. Who do you think is left, other than a few miners or mission runners?...
Keep trying to convince yourselves that there are thousands of pilots losing sleep over you sheep performing the tricks that The Martini tells you to do....... We are all in the audience watching with popcorn to see what he can get you to do next!!!... GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1165
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:06:00 -
[177] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Effort... ....belive it or not, there's actually not that many people that care about what you turds do tbh. You blued most of EVE and NIP'ed the rest. Who do you think is left, other than a few miners or mission runners?... Keep trying to convince yourselves that there are thousands of pilots losing sleep over you sheep performing the tricks that The Martini tells you to do...... . We are all in the audience watching with popcorn to see what he can get you to do next!!!...
Actually you following us around like a little adorable puppy posting at our heels convinces us of that. Consider this: If you stopped posting about us, we'd stop reading threads posted about us by people who truly don't care about us at all. |
sporkine
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:11:00 -
[178] - Quote
what would really happen if the goons alliance was disbanded?
1. people other than goons would move into the space they control.
2.................
3. profit |
Arthello
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:25:00 -
[179] - Quote
That would be terrible. Goons is just operating within the rules set by CCP. In real life they would be deemed a terrorist organization. Make anyone affiliated with Goons Al-Qaida status CCP. Do it! Make them red in high-sec to everyone :D |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
176
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:50:00 -
[180] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:Snot Shot wrote:Effort... ....belive it or not, there's actually not that many people that care about what you turds do tbh. You blued most of EVE and NIP'ed the rest. Who do you think is left, other than a few miners or mission runners?... Keep trying to convince yourselves that there are thousands of pilots losing sleep over you sheep performing the tricks that The Martini tells you to do...... . We are all in the audience watching with popcorn to see what he can get you to do next!!!... Actually you following us around like a little adorable puppy posting at our heels convinces us of that. Consider this: If you stopped posting about us, we'd stop reading threads posted about us by people who truly don't care about us at all. Settle down VR, even the best hecklers buy tickets to the show my man!! As you know, taking dumps on you goonies has been a hobby of mine for some time now and as long as you kids are willing to be space puppets controlled by a narcissistic cyber bully, IGÇÖm willing cop a squat to help rain on your paradeGǪ.
WhatGÇÖs your next big event to add content to EVE? Maybe The Martini can aim his GÇ£finger death rayGÇ¥ at the Faction Warfare and make Minmatar the race to rule all races!!....
AnywhooGǪGǪ..IGÇÖll let you get back to telling us all how awesome you and the CFC are while all of us stand over here wishing we were youGǪGǪGǪ .
GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1169
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:04:00 -
[181] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Vile rat wrote:Snot Shot wrote:Effort... ....belive it or not, there's actually not that many people that care about what you turds do tbh. You blued most of EVE and NIP'ed the rest. Who do you think is left, other than a few miners or mission runners?... Keep trying to convince yourselves that there are thousands of pilots losing sleep over you sheep performing the tricks that The Martini tells you to do...... . We are all in the audience watching with popcorn to see what he can get you to do next!!!... Actually you following us around like a little adorable puppy posting at our heels convinces us of that. Consider this: If you stopped posting about us, we'd stop reading threads posted about us by people who truly don't care about us at all. Settle down VR, even the best hecklers buy tickets to the show my man!! As you know, taking dumps on you goonies has been a hobby of mine for some time now and as long as you kids are willing to be space puppets controlled by a narcissistic cyber bully, IGÇÖm willing cop a squat to help rain on your paradeGǪ. WhatGÇÖs your next big event to add content to EVE? Maybe The Martini can aim his GÇ£finger death rayGÇ¥ at the Faction Warfare and make Minmatar the race to rule all races!!.... AnywhooGǪGǪ..IGÇÖll let you get back to telling us all how awesome you and the CFC are while all of us stand over here wishing we were youGǪGǪGǪ .
our next big event is to yell CHUNK every time I see somebody write goonies. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:43:00 -
[182] - Quote
If Snot Shot is weighing in to tell everyone that we're not really doing anything worthwhile, then I know what we're doing is worthwhile. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
178
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Posted - 2012.05.01 18:09:00 -
[183] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:our next big event is to yell CHUNK every time I see somebody write goonies. NahGǪGǪI think the next big event should be a Rifter Race around Empire like they did in Star Wars. The Martini can pretend heGÇÖs a young Anakin Skywalker while he LARPs the thing out via Twitch for the entire world to seeGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪmight halp build up his reputation as a real life space spy no? . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1169
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Posted - 2012.05.01 18:57:00 -
[184] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Vile rat wrote:our next big event is to yell CHUNK every time I see somebody write goonies. NahGǪGǪI think the next big event should be a Rifter Race around Empire like they did in Star Wars. The Martini can pretend heGÇÖs a young Anakin Skywalker while he LARPs the thing out via Twitch for the entire world to seeGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪmight halp build up his reputation as a real life space spy no? .
FYI he's more of a Mojito guy. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
178
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:16:00 -
[185] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:Snot Shot wrote:Vile rat wrote:our next big event is to yell CHUNK every time I see somebody write goonies. NahGǪGǪI think the next big event should be a Rifter Race around Empire like they did in Star Wars. The Martini can pretend heGÇÖs a young Anakin Skywalker while he LARPs the thing out via Twitch for the entire world to seeGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪmight halp build up his reputation as a real life space spy no? . FYI he's more of a Mojito guy. Really? I had him pegged as a GÇ£hisownspermatozoaGÇ¥ kinda guy after hearing a few of his speeches?... . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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SeaBassSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:55:00 -
[186] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Vile rat wrote:Snot Shot wrote:Vile rat wrote:our next big event is to yell CHUNK every time I see somebody write goonies. NahGǪGǪI think the next big event should be a Rifter Race around Empire like they did in Star Wars. The Martini can pretend heGÇÖs a young Anakin Skywalker while he LARPs the thing out via Twitch for the entire world to seeGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪmight halp build up his reputation as a real life space spy no? . FYI he's more of a Mojito guy. Really? I had him pegged as a GÇ£hisownspermatozoaGÇ¥ kinda guy after hearing a few of his speeches?... .
Not everybody likes what you like. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
179
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:15:00 -
[187] - Quote
SeaBassSA wrote: Not everybody likes what you like.
Next time go with the "he's rubber you're glue" one so you look moar official... . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3965
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:23:00 -
[188] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:SeaBassSA wrote: Not everybody likes what you like.
Next time go with the "he's rubber you're glue" one so you look moar official... .
our coattails are great to ride, aren't they? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
179
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:28:00 -
[189] - Quote
Andski wrote:Snot Shot wrote:SeaBassSA wrote: Not everybody likes what you like.
Next time go with the "he's rubber you're glue" one so you look moar official... . our coattails are great to ride, aren't they? Didn't you mean to say "I'm controlling your game"?........amidoinitrite?.... . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
593
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:54:00 -
[190] - Quote
417? Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3966
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:30:00 -
[191] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Andski wrote:Snot Shot wrote:SeaBassSA wrote: Not everybody likes what you like.
Next time go with the "he's rubber you're glue" one so you look moar official... . our coattails are great to ride, aren't they? Didn't you mean to say "I'm controlling your game"?........amidoinitrite?.... .
you've been following us for years, waving our flag and cheering us on as we conquered our enemies
you should just throw in your hat and join up "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
282
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:40:00 -
[192] - Quote
I'd sponsor him. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
180
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:09:00 -
[193] - Quote
Andski wrote:Snot Shot wrote:Andski wrote:Snot Shot wrote:SeaBassSA wrote: Not everybody likes what you like.
Next time go with the "he's rubber you're glue" one so you look moar official... . our coattails are great to ride, aren't they? Didn't you mean to say "I'm controlling your game"?........amidoinitrite?.... . you've been following us for years, waving our flag and cheering us on as we conquered our enemies you should just throw in your hat and join up Typical goonie........if you can't beat them try and get a NAP in place.... . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Lifelongnoob
The Motley Crew Reborn Tribal Dragons
9
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:02:00 -
[194] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Just build a bigger Goon to beat them.
lol a Super Goon? will it have a doomsday device? |
Oscasre
Anger Management
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:19:00 -
[195] - Quote
CCP couldn't disband the Goons ....... how else would they play. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
963
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:39:00 -
[196] - Quote
i wish someone would |
Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
295
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:29:00 -
[197] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:i wish someone would
it's not too late to just walk away "DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
964
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:56:00 -
[198] - Quote
Gloomy Gus wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:i wish someone would it's not too late to just walk away
eat dirt, shirtlord |
Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
295
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:36:00 -
[199] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Gloomy Gus wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:i wish someone would it's not too late to just walk away eat dirt, shirtlord
perhaps a bicycle? "DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:02:00 -
[200] - Quote
Digital Messiah wrote:Mara Villoso wrote:Sooner or later, CCP is going to have to come to grips with the "sandbox." If all content is player driven, then all content is player controlled. They can't let their game and their business be held hostage by a subgroup capable of manipulating the entire market, industrial base, and player experience. While I'm sure they'd like to pretend that all that is necessary is occasional refereeing, its clear its going to take more than that to keep the game experience legitimate.
Consider the Goons farming of miners. They build the ships and sell them, they gank them, repeat. An entire profession has been turned into a mini-game where the miner is little more than an NPC. Nothing outwardly wrong with that. All within the rules. Frankly, its also a thing of certain beauty. However, its a slap in the face to the relevant playerbase that they've become a toy for another human being. Its not so much about PvP and blowing things up and don't fly what you can't... or any of that. This is a problem at the meta-level. Players and organizations that thrive on the idea of making other people miserable can be relied on to make people miserable. Miserable people don't want to pay for that experience, so they won't. The further this goes and the more obvious the manipulation becomes, the more people will realize that they are playing a game where the cards are stacked against them and the less likely they are to continue playing. If I were the paranoid type, I would think it pretty obvious that some people are doing what they're doing for precisely that reason. They're playing EVE at a whole different level; they're playing against Hilmar.
Between contracts, trading, and other market hubs, there is no reason why anyone has to even buy what GSF has to offer. In all honesty it would be better if everyone boycotted them. Sure it might hurt prices or availability for a while. But this is the sandbox and you can always find more sand to play with elsewhere. Do tell. What is your replacement for Technetium in the production chain? Are you just going to try rubbing more veld on it? That's the magic of the bottleneck. You can't boycott the tech, because without it, nothing gets made. Unless you are really fond of flying only T1 ships and modules. That would be a neat poverty experiment I suppose.
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:53:00 -
[201] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:[What OWN Alliance leaders did with Tech ISK was up to them.
History suggests this is not the case.
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Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
296
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:20:00 -
[202] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:fond of flying only T1 ships and modules
what kind of loser would use t1 eq "DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini |
Zae'm Liss
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:47:00 -
[203] - Quote
VaMei wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on.
That pretty much sums it up.
Even if the CFC somehow finds a way to evict everyone from 0.0, it's part of the game and forces everyone to regroup and find new ways to fight.
CCP screwing around with this and policing how people assemble would be a quick death to the game. I'm sure they already know this though so this post is only conjecture.
As for Tech, the rest of nullsec is worthless atm and that's the issue more than the CFC being god-awfully huge. The only thing CCP could do to make it more interesting is to not nerf Tech but to redistribute it evenly across the universe. That way, faggotry like OTEC could not happen due to competing alliances. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
666
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:31:00 -
[204] - Quote
Gloomy Gus wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:fond of flying only T1 ships and modules
what kind of loser would use t1 eq
I was wondering the same thing.
Only gear of mine mineral prices affect to any extent are capships, which I am sadly forced to agree are too common. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
666
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:32:00 -
[205] - Quote
Lifelongnoob wrote:Miilla wrote:Just build a bigger Goon to beat them. lol a Super Goon? will it have a doomsday device? No, remote ECM burst and BeeBombers Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
666
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:40:00 -
[206] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:our next big event is to yell CHUNK every time I see somebody write goonies. The true secret of joining Goons without a 500mil deposit.
Gotta do the Truffle Shuffle! Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
60
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:16:00 -
[207] - Quote
I think the better question is.... WHY disban goons?
The only reason they get the attention they do is becasue they are the only alliance trying to affect the game as a whole and actually have and impact on how it's played.
Yes, ban them for that. They deserve to get banned for participating in the sandbox... My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Max50
Parental Control
7
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:23:00 -
[208] - Quote
Why should CCP disband goons? This game needs idiots to pay with real money so i can play for free
love you goons |
Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
314
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:02:00 -
[209] - Quote
Max50 wrote: love you goons
how can we not love in return anybody who wants our attention so very badly
Max have you thought of joining forces with some other anti-goon crusaders? Snot Shot, Xenuria and Max50, maybe some random bitter diehard BoB/KeN/BoB/BoB/BoB/BoB veterans to stiffen the ranks for actual PvP.
I'm trying to think of a good name for your Axis of Betterthangoons let me know if you think of something or you jsut want some more forums attention big fella "DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini |
Max50
Parental Control
10
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Posted - 2012.05.12 07:15:00 -
[210] - Quote
Gloomy Gus wrote:Max50 wrote: love you goons
how can we not love in return anybody who wants our attention so very badly Max have you thought of joining forces with some other anti-goon crusaders? Snot Shot, Xenuria and Max50, maybe some random bitter diehard BoB/KeN/BoB/BoB/BoB/BoB veterans to stiffen the ranks for actual PvP. I'm trying to think of a good name for your Axis of Betterthangoons let me know if you think of something or you jsut want some more forums attention big fella
Not really m8,i dont care about BoB,i think i started playing when they lost Delve or something.This char was bought with ISK in this forums.
I really dont hate goons.My corp and the alliance that was in used to hang out up North in PF-.When the WN grind started we had to choose a side. We were thinking at the time wich side we should shoot and goons and pets looked a far better choise.After some thousand of kills and losses while ridicously outnumbered i say we chose our "reds" correctly.
I would say having a small alliance at the time shooting the larger side was a very good choise since we dont really care about politics,not in the way you do anyway. Why on earth i should choose to side with goons anyway?For space that we dont care?For tech moons we dont care since holding them and sustaining them will make us less ISK that we already make? I dont need as a corp to kiss anyone's ass to make more than 200BIL per month. |
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Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
318
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Posted - 2012.05.12 13:56:00 -
[211] - Quote
Max50 wrote:thousand of kills and losses while ridicously outnumbered
having a small alliance at the time shooting the larger side
choise
I dont need as a corp to kiss anyone's ass to make more than 200BIL per month.
I see. You thought I was asking you to join with us Goons in EVE to rule the universe with Us, and not just merely referring to the way you chase around from thread to thread yipping at our ankles about how you are outnumbered and know how to make da chedda
I'm not a diplomat sir. Now you know.
edit: Maybe the Axis of Badpoasting if it hadn't been taken already?
edit2: you know, Xenuria's kinda hot if you look at her in the right light
edit3: yep no mistake I saw her checkin you out bro you should go talk to her "DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini "Gloomy Gus is literally a pocket" - Krixtal Icefluxor (former EVE Online player) |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
424
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Posted - 2012.05.12 15:31:00 -
[212] - Quote
Goons may be Goons, but if CCP did something like this, it would be crossing the line. I do not support this service.
Alavaria Fera wrote:We'd be forced to join TEST, and you wouldn't want that...
GoonTEST? TESTGoons? How would that play out? "If." |
Max50
Parental Control
10
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Posted - 2012.05.12 20:32:00 -
[213] - Quote
Gloomy Gus wrote:Max50 wrote:thousand of kills and losses while ridicously outnumbered
having a small alliance at the time shooting the larger side
choise
I dont need as a corp to kiss anyone's ass to make more than 200BIL per month. I see. You thought I was asking you to join with us Goons in EVE to rule the universe with Us, and not just merely referring to the way you chase around from thread to thread yipping at our ankles about how you are outnumbered and know how to make da chedda I'm not a diplomat sir. Now you know. edit: Maybe the Axis of Badpoasting if it hadn't been taken already? edit2: you know, Xenuria's kinda hot if you look at her in the right light edit3: yep no mistake I saw her checkin you out bro you should go talk to her
You are flattering your self alot i think.
Also talking to me in the way you nerds communicate only makes me smile.
You are a small pathetic pet that i troll at will and killed in game at will. I pitty you, goodbye
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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures Tribal Dragons
111
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Posted - 2012.05.13 03:14:00 -
[214] - Quote
just call them axis of *****, because that is literally what they are *****. And goons are literally jews persecuted by *****.
**** is blanked out,... ok, fill in the blank, the word starts in a N and ends in a azi, also called national socialists. They did the lolcaust, and have a ancient symbol of the sun for a flag with the colors black white and red. |
mute
Attero Inc Attero Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.05.13 03:16:00 -
[215] - Quote
Who? |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
983
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Posted - 2012.05.13 12:31:00 -
[216] - Quote
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:just call them axis of *****, because that is literally what they are *****. And goons are literally jews persecuted by *****.
**** is blanked out,... ok, fill in the blank, the word starts in a N and ends in a azi, also called national socialists. They did the lolcaust, and have a ancient symbol of the sun for a flag with the colors black white and red.
are you okay? |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.05.13 12:44:00 -
[217] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:just call them axis of *****, because that is literally what they are *****. And goons are literally jews persecuted by *****.
**** is blanked out,... ok, fill in the blank, the word starts in a N and ends in a azi, also called national socialists. They did the lolcaust, and have a ancient symbol of the sun for a flag with the colors black white and red. are you okay? Something something Black-Mark. |
Richter Enderas
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
113
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Posted - 2012.05.13 13:33:00 -
[218] - Quote
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:just call them axis of *****, because that is literally what they are *****. And goons are literally jews persecuted by *****.
**** is blanked out,... ok, fill in the blank, the word starts in a N and ends in a azi, also called national socialists. They did the lolcaust, and have a ancient symbol of the sun for a flag with the colors black white and red.
I don't know if I am laughing harder at your post or your name. |
StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective Cascade Imminent
55
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:48:00 -
[219] - Quote
I consider myself a typro. The massive amounts of mis-spelled words in this thread means my typing prowess is spreading. +1
Also, I love goons. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
354
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Posted - 2012.05.13 21:43:00 -
[220] - Quote
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:just call them axis of *****, because that is literally what they are *****. And goons are literally jews persecuted by *****.
**** is blanked out,... ok, fill in the blank, the word starts in a N and ends in a azi, also called national socialists. They did the lolcaust, and have a ancient symbol of the sun for a flag with the colors black white and red.
Did somebody say Nazi? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures Tribal Dragons
111
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Posted - 2012.05.13 21:51:00 -
[221] - Quote
Scatim Helicon wrote:Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:just call them axis of *****, because that is literally what they are *****. And goons are literally jews persecuted by *****.
**** is blanked out,... ok, fill in the blank, the word starts in a N and ends in a azi, also called national socialists. They did the lolcaust, and have a ancient symbol of the sun for a flag with the colors black white and red. Did somebody say Na zi?
how did you do that they are blanking **** for me, or *****
Looking at your post by replying to it I see, putting the unseen bold script in-between letters.
CCP is not helpful in having us all know how to bypass the obscene filter, this is almost as bad as them denying the holocaust. |
Shaampoo
Epidemic. F0RCEFUL ENTRY
22
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Posted - 2012.05.13 22:26:00 -
[222] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies. Awful Not matter how much you hated the goons this would make a terrible precedent
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Prop Wash
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 07:19:00 -
[223] - Quote
I would feel bad.
All the best, Prop Wash |
Davor
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.05.14 08:10:00 -
[224] - Quote
there are no goons |
Signal11th
479
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:03:00 -
[225] - Quote
Davor wrote:there are no goons
No they have become "Moron Wags"quite like that title actually very apt. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
kari bourza
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
8
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Posted - 2012.05.23 05:29:00 -
[226] - Quote
most ******* stupid question ever, are you fantasizing about CCP disbanding the goons because you can't do **** about them in game ? or what the **** is the deal here ? grow up will you ? mummy can not be always there for you to clean your **** and breast feed you |
Azran Zala
Sicarius. When Hippos Attack
19
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Posted - 2012.05.28 21:55:00 -
[227] - Quote
Mara Villoso wrote:...If all content is player driven, then all content is player controlled. They can't let their game and their business be held hostage by a subgroup capable of manipulating the entire market, industrial base, and player experience. While I'm sure they'd like to pretend that all that is necessary is occasional refereeing, its clear its going to take more than that to keep the game experience legitimate.
Consider the Goons farming of miners. They build the ships and sell them, they gank them, repeat. An entire profession has been turned into a mini-game where the miner is little more than an NPC. Nothing outwardly wrong with that. All within the rules. Frankly, its also a thing of certain beauty. However, its a slap in the face to the relevant playerbase that they've become a toy for another human being.
You just described real life capitalism at its finest. and a one and a two and a ching chong potato |
Ivan Ward
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.06.02 00:25:00 -
[228] - Quote
This guy, whom I dont know, already tried once.
"Hot pilots we have problems too, we're just like you." |
Akatenshi Xi
Elite Shadow Society ESS Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.06.02 20:25:00 -
[229] - Quote
It would not be the first time CCP interfered with an alliance or corporation and ''mysterious'' things happen that either enable an alliance/corp to lose a mass of assets or some other craziness. I've heard stories and have even seen some things with my own eyes. |
Ivan Ward
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.06.02 21:32:00 -
[230] - Quote
Akatenshi Xi wrote:It would not be the first time CCP interfered with an alliance or corporation and ''mysterious'' things happen that either enable an alliance/corp to lose a mass of assets or some other craziness. I've heard stories and have even seen some things with my own eyes.
Then they have some random Joe post all about how someone scammed this and that. I fully agree with you. "Hot pilots we have problems too, we're just like you." |
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Shaniqua Minmatar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.03 14:22:00 -
[231] - Quote
One time when I was in deep space I saw a titan, but its doomsday didn't harm me and then I flew right through it. Then it disappeared. I think it was the ghost of Shrike Sincerely sent from the desk of
Shinaqua Minmatar, Esq (A member of the Cluster **** Coalition Alliance)
p.s. Have a great day! |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
743
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Posted - 2012.06.03 14:25:00 -
[232] - Quote
Shaniqua Minmatar wrote:One time when I was in deep space I saw a titan, but its doomsday didn't harm me and then I flew right through it. Then it disappeared. I think it was the ghost of Shrike This one time, in band camp...
Oh wait, I wasn't in band, nevermind. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:52:00 -
[233] - Quote
Akatenshi Xi wrote:It would not be the first time CCP interfered with an alliance or corporation and ''mysterious'' things happen that either enable an alliance/corp to lose a mass of assets or some other craziness. I've heard stories and have even seen some things with my own eyes.
me too man guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
887
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Posted - 2012.06.10 16:31:00 -
[234] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
We would, at long last, be FREE.
Free from this blood oath which forces us to troll forums, to murder spaceships.
Free to pick up the broken pieces of our ''real life'' and forge it anew into a great, balanced Thing.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
RuckaLucka Ali
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.10 16:59:00 -
[235] - Quote
i still dont understand the hype we create, im a racist theif that plays with a bunch of other racist theifs who cares |
Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:13:00 -
[236] - Quote
basically how it works is that we are like a hydra, but with fat. so you can cut off one love handle or fatflab, but 2 more will take its place etc etc
you cant win, we are too fat
guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
278
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:21:00 -
[237] - Quote
Goonies are like the trap for your sink at home, but for EVE. They provide a spot where dead weight can collect and CCP can keep an eye on it.
Sure the trap gets clogged once in a while, but CCP usually finds a way to plunge it loseGǪ. . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
551
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:45:00 -
[238] - Quote
Hi Snot Shot. Did you speak to a recruiter yet? Got your security deposit ready? . |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1054
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Posted - 2012.06.11 19:46:00 -
[239] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Goonies are like the trap for your sink at home, but for EVE. They provide a spot where dead weight can collect and CCP can keep an eye on it. Sure the trap gets clogged once in a while, but CCP usually finds a way to plunge it loseGǪ. .
yep |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
278
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Posted - 2012.06.11 20:50:00 -
[240] - Quote
No More Heroes wrote:Hi Snot Shot. Did you speak to a recruiter yet? Got your security deposit ready? I sent my security deposite in but did not get a response... Can you send it back to me and let me know who else I can send it to so I can keep this going?....kthx.. . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:57:00 -
[241] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Goonies are like the trap for your sink at home, but for EVE. They provide a spot where dead weight can collect and CCP can keep an eye on it. Sure the trap gets clogged once in a while, but CCP usually finds a way to plunge it loseGǪ. . this accurately describes video games guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you |
cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers Ignore This.
65
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:29:00 -
[242] - Quote
haha! I would **** myself laughing. Ignore This.-á "Were not elitists, were just tired of fail" - The Sorn |
Paint
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.14 22:35:00 -
[243] - Quote
I don't get this thread, it was established way back in 2006 that there are no goons and that they would never be allowed to own space. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
279
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:51:00 -
[244] - Quote
Paint wrote:I don't get this thread, it was established way back in 2006 that there are no goons and that they would never be allowed to own space. Welcome to EVE where that's said about almost every Alliance in the game, but in this case whoever said it was correct, the original GoonSwarm doesn't own space..........you're just Goonies Mk2 if you want to be ironic.... . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Xpaulusx
V I R I I Ineluctable.
50
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:42:00 -
[245] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
I would leave the game, that would mark the end of eve as we know it. |
Kayl Breinhar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.06.15 07:02:00 -
[246] - Quote
If we got booted out of EVE?
We would rejoice that we'd finally gone "too far," pat ourselves on the back, marvel at all our newfound free time, and all of you would go about pointless existences shooting space rocks, running missions, and NAPing each other until the heat death of the universe in a boring, soft rubber-wrapped universe with little to no risk.
In other words, every one of you who thinks the OP has a point want WoW in space. *golfclap*
Also, don't mind Snotty, he's just upset that every outlet he could previously run to be more relevant than an 0rphanage member is now closed to him because it's now dead or disbanded. |
Signal11th
513
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Posted - 2012.06.15 08:14:00 -
[247] - Quote
As I've mentioned before, every good story needs a villan.
EVE needs Goons/ or another etc for it to be successful as it is, you have good guys you have bad guys etc
Imagine how boring it would be if you logged on and none of these happened....
1: Get killed 2: Someone trying to scam you. 3: You trying scam somebody. 4: Kill someone (in game of course or Martini's next to do thing for Fanfest) 5: Jumping into a huge bubble camp and escaping. 6: Laugh at the seriousness of some people. 8: Someone ranting after you blow his/her ship up
(yes I know you don't need the Goons for any of this to happen)
Eve would be a lot more boring without people like GSF et al even though as a "good guy" (depending on your point of view in game) I don't particulary like what GSF stand for I understand there is a certain need for people/alliances like GSF to be present in game to make it interesting. I think they just need curbing once in awhile so they don't get to overpowering.
God imagine what the forums would be like without the goons, there would be a drop of what 70% of forum traffic the usual muppets saying either:
1: Ban Goons 2: Kill Goons 3: Raiden have failscaded yet again. (we haven't btw, still going strong) 4: I gave a Goon 500mil and he won't answer my calls. 5: Ban Goons from CSM 6: Kill Goons on the CSM 7: OMGWTF has Martini done now. 8: Darius/Snot Snot is a terribad poaster. (o7 chaps)
One mans freedon fighter is another mans terrorist.
Be careful what you wish for because you might wake up one day and find space is actually empty and boring. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
747
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Posted - 2012.06.15 08:23:00 -
[248] - Quote
The CFC are actually the heroic good guys, fighting for a better universe versus the evil tyranny of, well everybody else I suppose. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
280
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Posted - 2012.06.15 09:56:00 -
[249] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:The CFC are actually the heroic good guys, fighting for a better universe versus the evil tyranny of, well everybody else I suppose. Thread is about Goonies there Rico, not **** Alliances no one would know about if Goonies weren't around. . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Signal11th
515
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Posted - 2012.06.15 10:03:00 -
[250] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Rico Minali wrote:The CFC are actually the heroic good guys, fighting for a better universe versus the evil tyranny of, well everybody else I suppose. Thread is about Goonies there Rico, not **** Alliances no one would know about if Goonies weren't around. .
Oh My! God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
254
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Posted - 2012.06.15 13:14:00 -
[251] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Rico Minali wrote:The CFC are actually the heroic good guys, fighting for a better universe versus the evil tyranny of, well everybody else I suppose. Thread is about Goonies there Rico, not **** Alliances no one would know about if Goonies weren't around. .
much like your own. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
280
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:46:00 -
[252] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote: much like your own.
Who saw that coming........and from a goonie no less!!.. . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.06.16 01:46:00 -
[253] - Quote
http://i.imgur.com/58Sm2.gif
brbrbrbrbrbrbr guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you |
RuckaLucka Ali
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.06.16 16:38:00 -
[254] - Quote
Signal11th wrote:As I've mentioned before, every good story needs a villan.
this game makes for a pretty terrible story |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1067
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Posted - 2012.06.16 18:14:00 -
[255] - Quote
RuckaLucka Ali wrote:Signal11th wrote:As I've mentioned before, every good story needs a villan. this game makes for a pretty terrible story
much like your posting |
Ivan Ward
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.06.16 19:38:00 -
[256] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Ivana Twinkle wrote: much like your own.
Who saw that coming... .....and from a goonie no less!!.. .
Derail the statement as much as you want to, it's still true. "Hot pilots we have problems too, we're just like you." |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
280
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Posted - 2012.06.16 20:43:00 -
[257] - Quote
Ivan Ward wrote:Snot Shot wrote:Ivana Twinkle wrote: much like your own.
Who saw that coming... .....and from a goonie no less!!.. . Derail the statement as much as you want to, it's still true. Apparently you don't "get me"....
Amidoinitrite?.. . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
58
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Posted - 2012.06.16 21:11:00 -
[258] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Rico Minali wrote:The CFC are actually the heroic good guys, fighting for a better universe versus the evil tyranny of, well everybody else I suppose. Thread is about Goonies there Rico, not **** Alliances no one would know about if Goonies weren't around. .
As per the new forum rules that came out earlier in the week:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=new-forum-rules-on-tuesday-july-12
Personal attacks like what you just did are bannable. I suggest you start being nice Snot Shot or they will ban you. Remember guys, nice posts from now on. No more trolling, personal attacks, insults and above all, no more abuse of CCP employees. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
280
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Posted - 2012.06.16 22:25:00 -
[259] - Quote
I think you trying to turn my poast into a personal attack should be banable.....
Pretty fitting to have a box of tissues as a logo btw .... . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
979
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Posted - 2012.06.16 22:57:00 -
[260] - Quote
Signal11th wrote:3: Raiden have failscaded yet again. (we haven't btw, still going strong)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliances/Raiden.
yep goin' strong eh |
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1069
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Posted - 2012.06.17 13:01:00 -
[261] - Quote
i just provided your 1,001st like congratulations |
Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.06.18 05:23:00 -
[262] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:I think you trying to turn my poast into a personal attack should be banable..... Pretty fitting to have a box of tissues as a logo btw .... . 420 420 **** post errydae guy on foreground: me posting guy in background: you |
Richter Enderas
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore
124
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Posted - 2012.06.20 17:55:00 -
[263] - Quote
Ban OP, gas thread. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
645
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Posted - 2012.07.01 07:43:00 -
[264] - Quote
How I'd feel? Assuming I would feel anything, I'd play on a small violin for them and eagerly await their return. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
12
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Posted - 2012.07.17 00:19:00 -
[265] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
The concept that drew me to EVE was that as long as you don't actually cheat you can do pretty much what ever you want whenever you want you be the good guy , the bad guy, or that guy everyone wants to find and run through a paper shredder. If CCP even thinks about disbanding alliance for in-game action that while annoying is still within the rules that would be even worse thah the Incarna ****-up
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.07.17 00:36:00 -
[266] - Quote
OP assumes that the goal of HAG, Burn Jita, and OTEC are to drive people away from Eve, when the truth is that we do a lot of this stuff to bring people TO Eve. |
Illectroculus Defined
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:23:00 -
[267] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote:OP assumes that the goal of HAG, Burn Jita, and OTEC are to drive people away from Eve, when the truth is that we do a lot of this stuff to bring people TO Eve.
I know that I personally have encouraged thousands of people to sign up for Eve, personally sending hundreds of buddy invites. I can point to players that would not be playing the game were it not for Goonswarm. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.07.17 19:33:00 -
[268] - Quote
Illectroculus Defined wrote:Andrey Wartooth wrote:OP assumes that the goal of HAG, Burn Jita, and OTEC are to drive people away from Eve, when the truth is that we do a lot of this stuff to bring people TO Eve. I know that I personally have encouraged thousands of people to sign up for Eve, personally sending hundreds of buddy invites. I can point to players that would not be playing the game were it not for Goonswarm.
Yeah, I wouldn't be playing if it weren't for Goonswarm. I wouldn't be in Goons if it weren't for an ex-merchi friend. |
Snot Shot
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
294
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:30:00 -
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Sometimes when IGÇÖm on the can I wonder what it would be like to be a GoonGǪGǪGǪ..then I flush and the wondering stopsGǪGǪ . @Snot_Shot GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Dusenman
Krait Corp Fidelas Constans
10
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Posted - 2012.07.17 20:52:00 -
[270] - Quote
The goons would just rebuild, burn all of empire then go back to normal business. Would I care? Sure, cause I would have one hell of a time seeing eve on fire. GM Homonoia: In other words; feel free to use the tactic, but don't be an utter and total ***. |
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gazthenailer
The Replicators Northern Associates.
7
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Posted - 2012.07.18 17:01:00 -
[271] - Quote
The solution is very simple.
We just move to the Chinese server and let cfc play for themselves
:) |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1300
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Posted - 2012.07.18 17:17:00 -
[272] - Quote
gazthenailer wrote:The solution is very simple.
We just move to the Chinese server and let cfc play for themselves
:)
:) |
Signal11th
622
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Posted - 2012.07.19 07:41:00 -
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gazthenailer wrote:The solution is very simple.
We just move to the Chinese server and let cfc play for themselves
:)
Better the devil you know than the one you don't!!
Imagine a chinese version of the GSF posting irrelevant shite in local and what's worse it's more unintelligible than what the GSF post. No thanks.. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Ivan Ward
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.07.19 14:45:00 -
[274] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Sometimes when IGÇÖm on the can I wonder what it would be like to be a GoonGǪGǪGǪ..then I flush and the wondering stopsGǪGǪ .
Don't sit on the toilet when you flush post -.- "Hot pilots we have problems too, we're just like you." |
Snot Shot
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
297
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Posted - 2012.07.19 15:17:00 -
[275] - Quote
Ivan Ward wrote:Snot Shot wrote:Sometimes when IGÇÖm on the can I wonder what it would be like to be a GoonGǪGǪGǪ..then I flush and the wondering stopsGǪGǪ . Don't sit on the toilet when you flush post -.- ............Multitasking FTW...... . @Snot_Shot GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.07.19 18:02:00 -
[276] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:Sometimes when IGÇÖm on the can I wonder what it would be like to be a GoonGǪGǪGǪ..then I flush and the wondering stopsGǪGǪ .
I also think of someone I love while taking a dump. Do you get the same results that I do? Lapine Davion - Alt Whiskey Juvenile - Alt Zhihatsu - Alt Anderson Coop - Alt |
CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
79
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Posted - 2012.07.27 15:35:00 -
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If you honestly think that a simple disbanding would stop the Goons, then you don't know Goons. If anything, they've proven time and again that they are resourceful enough to figure something out.
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Signal11th
633
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Posted - 2012.07.27 15:44:00 -
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Andrey Wartooth wrote:Snot Shot wrote:Sometimes when IGÇÖm on the can I wonder what it would be like to be a GoonGǪGǪGǪ..then I flush and the wondering stopsGǪGǪ . I also think of someone I love while taking a dump. Do you get the same results that I do?
I think you're being a bit harsh to your beloved leader there mate. What's he done to incur such an anal attitude?
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
411
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:15:00 -
[279] - Quote
We can only hope one day CCP disbands us and frees us from the shackles that is this game. |
Phelan Kheldian
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.07.28 00:53:00 -
[280] - Quote
Honestly, I'd be upset if CCP did this. That's not how Eve is meant to work. As long as you stay within the code of the game, Eve is a sandbox... and yes, that means someone is gonna want to build the evil empire and grief people. So what? If that's what the Goons want to do, so be it. As for their escapades, the only one that sounds (new player here and I don't deny it) like CCP should have handled differently is the Jita situation.
Goons announced their plan to have suicide ship jump in and attack anything and everything in Jita. With all due respect, CCP should have had CONCORD recoded to read all the goons as RED in the Jita system for a few weeks prior AND after the announced time for their 'Jita must Burn' campaign.
And now you ask why (unless you're a Goon at which point I'm gonna get insults and that's okay). The simple fact is that the Goons announced a terrorist attack on Jita. CONCORD (as the Empire's police and military) should have been on high alert for any ships that would be part of this terrorist organization. I'm sorry... but unless you're an elected president looking to get near martial law level powers passed, you don't stand idly by as a terrorist attack is announced against your people with your finger up your nose... you get the military and police in position to stop said attack.
But in all honesty, CCP stepping in and getting rid of the Goons would go against what makes Eve great: the fact its nearly completely player driven. I might not agree with their antics and attitudes, but I respect and defend their right to do it within the code of the game. |
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doombreed52
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
55
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Posted - 2012.07.28 02:12:00 -
[281] - Quote
Bahahahahahahahahaha what is crap im reading? |
Kincaid Taron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.30 11:05:00 -
[282] - Quote
Phelan Kheldian wrote:Honestly, I'd be upset if CCP did this. That's not how Eve is meant to work. As long as you stay within the code of the game, Eve is a sandbox... and yes, that means someone is gonna want to build the evil empire and grief people. So what? If that's what the Goons want to do, so be it. As for their escapades, the only one that sounds (new player here and I don't deny it) like CCP should have handled differently is the Jita situation.
Goons announced their plan to have suicide ship jump in and attack anything and everything in Jita. With all due respect, CCP should have had CONCORD recoded to read all the goons as RED in the Jita system for a few weeks prior AND after the announced time for their 'Jita must Burn' campaign.
And now you ask why (unless you're a Goon at which point I'm gonna get insults and that's okay). The simple fact is that the Goons announced a terrorist attack on Jita. CONCORD (as the Empire's police and military) should have been on high alert for any ships that would be part of this terrorist organization. I'm sorry... but unless you're an elected president looking to get near martial law level powers passed, you don't stand idly by as a terrorist attack is announced against your people with your finger up your nose... you get the military and police in position to stop said attack.
But in all honesty, CCP stepping in and getting rid of the Goons would go against what makes Eve great: the fact its nearly completely player driven. I might not agree with their antics and attitudes, but I respect and defend their right to do it within the code of the game.
Burn Jita was never about attacking indiscriminately. That's just what dumbasses who can't read took it as and ran with it. |
Katalci
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
113
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Posted - 2012.08.07 08:12:00 -
[283] - Quote
VaMei wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this? That'd be the end of the sandbox, and time for me to move on.
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Signal11th
637
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Posted - 2012.08.07 10:23:00 -
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Money talks nothing else really anything else is just lip-service, Can't remember how many members they have but lets say 4k.
For all the bluff and bluster of posters imagine CCP did disband the Goons they might lose 2k accounts and then probably another 2-4k from all the hangers on.
Too much money to lose for CCP so I don't imagine anything happening soon and if they did they would have to go the "death by a thousand cuts" method so they wouldn't notice before it was too late. Even then as usual if someone from CCP left the door open after visitng the toilet someone on here would be complaining.
Who cares anyway it's a game. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
J'mee Leggs
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.08.08 03:46:00 -
[285] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:I think that RvB should be disbanded as well. How do you feel about that?
Agreed. They're just a bunch of drunken frig alts posing a nuisance to the entirety of the sandbox that is EVE.
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Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos Corrosive.
182
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Posted - 2012.08.08 08:03:00 -
[286] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Assuming worst case, that burn jita, the deathsquad, and the technitium monopoly all succeed, force a large player base from eve, and CCP opted to disbanded goons, how would you view this?
Edited to add:
My apologies to all. I, in no way, was requesting CCP to disband Goons. I should have worded my initial post to reflect a more neutral manner of discussion such as, "what action on CCPs part would you view as going too far?". I just thought that disbanning an alliance would be a good starting point for such a discussion on what would be too much intervention in this game.
Again, my apologies.
lol goons dont influence crap all
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