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Domono
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:41:00 -
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In Eve there is no such thing as character level. We have dates join and SP. Sp collects whether or not you are actually sitting at the computer or not. This makes it impossible to pinpoint exactly what a rookie is. So if my account is 2 months old but I really only --played-- for 1 day a week for an hour. Then more than like still don't know jack about Eve. Rookies are impossible to define in Eve from our end. Maybe a GM can look at your total hours played, see a small list of transactions in your wallet history. A quick glance at your list of contacts? Who knows how they evaluate a rookie. Or cares.
Guy carrying a cargo full of dead space gear? Gank him. Who cares if he is 2 weeks old. Common sense tells me that is no rookie, even if so do you think CCP would blame you? Really?
Guy ratting in high sec belt in his crap fit t1 frigate? Not a war target? Honestly why are you bothering at this point? Still want to mess with him? Check him! Is he under a month old? If yes you should just leave him be. Same goes for scanning down mission runners to ninja salvage/loot/gank. Or bad fit industrials with low end minerals, poor value loot
So your at war and you find one of the enemy is a week old? Go ahead and take him down if he pops up everytime. If your feeling nice tell him to go to another system far away and he won't be bothered. Or simply don't actively hunt him down. Tell him to leave the corp for for the duration of the war. Or just ignore all of that and just not make it seem in ANY fashion you are specifically targeting the rookie/s IE: "We are going to slaughter your noobs all week!" The entire corp is rookies? Perhaps you should reconsider why you wardeced them.
If they wardeced you well shame on them. Rough them up some sure, but do you really need to make it complete hell on them? Probably not. Would you get in trouble for it? More than likely not.
Edit: Unless they find you baited them into it somehow.
People are making a simple rule more complicated than it needs to be. If it looks like a rookie. If it smells like a rookie. It's a rookie. Anything questionable is not a rookie. |
Domono
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Posted - 2012.06.22 07:37:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Domono wrote:Anything questionable is not a rookie. Should you have to stake your account on that bet?
On this matter I don't consider it a gamble. |
Domono
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Posted - 2012.06.22 08:10:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Domono wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Domono wrote:Anything questionable is not a rookie. Should you have to stake your account on that bet? On this matter I don't consider it a gamble. Rookie is not defined. That means that it is a gamble, no matter how you consider it. Besides that, should the stakes automatically be your account?
Unfortunately Ruby it seems you just don't get it. That's fine. My suggestion would be to simply avoid all rookie systems while considering any hostile or aggressive action. Also, if the thought crosses your mind that you wish to hunt or harm newbies or your corp or alliance wants to cause harm to them any way your better off just avoiding it all together. Log off or go rat or mine. Or move out to low/null sec avoid the problem all together? Finally, remove words like noob, newb, nub, from your in game vocabulary. See anyone under 6-12 months then turn tail and run, zero interaction. Oh and if they tackle you just sit there and let them kill you. Then you will be all good.
OR trust your better judgement. |
Domono
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Posted - 2012.06.23 00:13:00 -
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The rule also extends to extreme cases OUTSIDE a rookie systems as well. Like don't join a corp full of rookies and say your teaching them how hard eve is by slaughtering them all. Your not going to get in trouble for killing a rookie outside a rookie system unless all your doing is hunting them down, or specifically targeting them with a scam of some sort. Like getting a bunch to join your corp just to kill them or convince them to come out to low sec to kill them, or convince them to come into a worm hole, then trapping or killing them. Flipping the objective on a Sisters of Eve missions is probably a bad idea, so on so forth.
My best attempt at wording it would be: Do not interact with Rookies in any deceitful, aggressive, or harmful manner inside Rookie systems, and do not specifically target Rookies outside said systems.
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Domono
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Posted - 2012.06.23 00:46:00 -
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Like they said it's impossible for us to know exactly what a Rookie is, which is why they have full protection only in Rookie systems and limited protection outside. That way it protects those who have a difficult time deciding between a rookie and not. |
Domono
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Posted - 2012.06.23 01:26:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:Ok, this seems to be getting out of hand and our rulings are pulled out of context. So let me state this in the most simple terms possible. 1. New PLAYERS are protected by CCP in the systems listed here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems2. No one is protected in systems outside of this list. 4. If new PLAYERS keep getting harassed the list of systems may be expanded. 7. In general do NOT mess around with new PLAYERS; anyone else is fair game. The above guidelines are not up for discussion and they will not be further clarified. If you need further clarification you are probably doing something you should not be doing. You just said in (2) that nobody is protected outside of rookie systems. Then you went on to say in (7), "Even though they're not protected outside of those systems, don't mess with them anywhere else, either " which, as a GM edict, could be interpreted as policy. So now you have two policy points that directly contradict each other, and (4) is the cherry on top - "or else". You couldn't make it through a brief synopsis of your position without contradicting both yourself and policy as it is currently known. This should probably be taken as an indication that you need to rethink things. We do not want you to mess with them, that does not mean we come down with the ban hammer if you do so outside the mentioned systems. Not everything is black and white. These points do not conflict; 4 and 7 simply mean that if the situation OUTSIDE those systems gets too bad we will take further action. Thus INSIDE the systems it isn't allowed period, OUTSIDE those systems it is allowed, but we may evaluate if things get out of hand.
They do have some limited protection outside. Extreme cases.
I could define a Rookie as someone with no accounts over roughly a month old, who does not yet understand the mechanics of the game nor has assets worth any significant amount.
Problem with that is we can't tell how many accounts someone has, or what they know. Also I can not tell exactly what assets someone has. On the other hand I can scan or look at someone under a month and see lasers equipped to their incursus and quickly think that guy has no idea what he is doing. Or some one in badger hauling 1 billion worth of cargo yet under a week old I cant tell if someone paid him to haul it my only conclusion is he is a alt. The guys that truly are rookies your not going to have a valid reason to do much of anything to. |
Domono
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Posted - 2012.06.23 01:41:00 -
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Mainly to keep rookies from being griefed while learning. Though I'm sure they have no issue with removing people who simply want to grief rookies at the same time. Less problems in the end. |
Domono
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Posted - 2012.06.23 01:54:00 -
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I think it's doing its job well Ruby, since a lot of people in here can't judge within reason what a rookie is or define what it is to mess with one. Meaning more people are less likely to do anything that they have to "bet your account on". The unknown can be scarier than what is in front of your face. |
Domono
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Posted - 2012.06.23 02:16:00 -
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What accidents? I'm am honestly trying to help you get a grip on it but your making it difficult. Accidents are accidents deliberate is deliberate. They have the tools to distinguish the two. Chat logs, past petitions against you, kill logs. |
Domono
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Posted - 2012.06.23 02:40:00 -
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No. Accidentally firing off your smart bombs in a rookie system once is one thing. Apologize to the poor SOB and call it good. Doing it once a day or several times a day or month even by "mistake" you should get a punishment, which should help you pay more attention to what your doing. It is easy to call them accidents even though they may not be. Locking onto someone in a rookie system and firing without a even a scanner equipped is deliberate, with a scanner you COULD of meant to hit the scanner. Regardless you should be paying more attention to what your doing. Baiting and flipping is to deliberate to even discuss. |
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Domono
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:02:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Domono wrote:No. Accidentally firing off your smart bombs in a rookie system once is one thing. Apologize to the poor SOB and call it good. Doing it once a day or several times a day or month even by "mistake" you should get a punishment, which should help you pay more attention to what your doing. It is easy to call them accidents even though they may not be. Locking onto someone in a rookie system and firing without a even a scanner equipped is deliberate, with a scanner you COULD of meant to hit the scanner. Regardless you should be paying more attention to what your doing. Baiting and flipping is to deliberate to even discuss. 1) Smartbombs get you a Don't do Stupid Sh it popup. 2) I'm trying to remove the ability to hide behind "accident" the first few times.
I turned mine off.
The only people that are truly going to be affected by the rule is those that want to kill or grief everyone just because they can. Those who do it for profit aren't going to bother anyone that can immediately be seen as a rookie. |
Domono
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:06:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Domono wrote:No. Accidentally firing off your smart bombs in a rookie system once is one thing. Apologize to the poor SOB and call it good. Doing it once a day or several times a day or month even by "mistake" you should get a punishment, which should help you pay more attention to what your doing. It is easy to call them accidents even though they may not be. Locking onto someone in a rookie system and firing without a even a scanner equipped is deliberate, with a scanner you COULD of meant to hit the scanner. Regardless you should be paying more attention to what your doing. Baiting and flipping is to deliberate to even discuss. 1) Smartbombs get you a Don't do Stupid Sh it popup. 2) I'm trying to remove the ability to hide behind "accident" the first few times. I believe you are trying to define the moment the rookies can be camped. You hide it behind a thin veil of trying to do the right thing. In perfect EVE style. I believe you are trying to muddy the waters to be able to either abuse the rookie protections or abuse the uncertainty to shoot rookies. You hide it behind a thin veil of trying to do the right thing. In perfect EVE style. See, I can assign motives too. But while people have been calling me a rookie ganker for daring to suggest that the best and easiest way to protect rookies in rookie systems is to simply ban doing bad stuff in rookie systems, I have for the most part refrained from it.
Your right that would protect rookies. Along with everyone else that was in those systems.That is a problem too.
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Domono
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:10:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Domono wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Domono wrote:No. Accidentally firing off your smart bombs in a rookie system once is one thing. Apologize to the poor SOB and call it good. Doing it once a day or several times a day or month even by "mistake" you should get a punishment, which should help you pay more attention to what your doing. It is easy to call them accidents even though they may not be. Locking onto someone in a rookie system and firing without a even a scanner equipped is deliberate, with a scanner you COULD of meant to hit the scanner. Regardless you should be paying more attention to what your doing. Baiting and flipping is to deliberate to even discuss. 1) Smartbombs get you a Don't do Stupid Sh it popup. 2) I'm trying to remove the ability to hide behind "accident" the first few times. I turned mine off. The only people that are truly going to be affected by the rule is those that want to kill or grief everyone just because they can. Those who do it for profit aren't going to bother anyone that can immediately be seen as a rookie. You can't turn off the Concord warning. It will *always* show up. Yeah, of course. And your suggestion will result in them getting away with it several times more than mine (doubly so since the Rookie has to petition the loss, which won't always happen).
Think you should try the smart bomb thing yourself.
Your way opens up a new list of issues. |
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