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Mrr Woodcock
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:35:00 -
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Personally, I'm really at a loss for words here, sept this. Good for CCP. It's really very very simple, just leave the new players alone. Get it, just leave them alone. When in doubt just don't mess with them. Once again all this ragging debate to simply preserve the right for weak PVP players to kill the newest players in the game. Honestly it just never ceases to amaze me.
I not for one single second, believe this is what CCP envisioned when they created this game. It's bad for there business, for these guys to run off the new talent before they even get started. It's bad for real PVP'ers as they end up ditching the game before they ever have the opportunity to improve, then bring a real fight to guys like me. IMO it just all around sucks. It's just bad in virtually all aspects, except for providing the weakest of targets for so called PVP players that can do no better.
Then there's you guys that have to define when there not new anymore, Gawd really! |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:56:00 -
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The point here is so very simple. #1 use your brains, don't kill beginner players. If you can't figure out who they are, who's the weak link here hmm.
Sunshine and Lollipops what do you think??? |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:59:00 -
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Tippia, could you please explain to me when a rookie would be hauling 25 Billion of anything Hmm. Don't you think that would make him kinda not a rookie???? |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:14:00 -
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Greg Valanti, there are all kinds of opportunities for new players to do combat and Piracy. Join factional warfare for the fights. Heck if you do well enough on the beginner missions, you do actually get an invite to move to pirate factional systems. In the world of eve, you have to work at being good at something. Nothing comes easy. I've actually spent a fair amount of time doing what I'm beginning to call old school piracy. I actually did really well ISK wise, had a guy in a freighter eject from his ship when he thought he was going to die. We actually got the ship, and every single thing that was in it. Still have the freighter to this day. I did all my piracy in low sec. Home of the pirates. Head out there, make a few friends, you'll be camping gates before you know it.
I get it, your both newer players, you wanted to play pirate, the other guy didn't. He was still a new player. Is is so damned hard to just respect that? |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:24:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn, ya know I'm not going to imply that CCP needs to code anything. With the up coming Dust release, and just gobbs of other issues, I actually think there plate is pretty full. Especially when a little simple real life etiquette would do just fine in this situation.
OK Just a simple question. Who in here thinks a 2 week old player hauling 25 Billion isk worth of anything in a T1 industrial would be a rookie? Could I see hands please. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:30:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Mrr Woodcock wrote:.... Tippia, just think about what your saying there would ya. I can figure out he's not a rookie, CCP I'm certain can figure this out. What about you. I wouldn't be so sure. As it stands you get a warning when shooting someone who is older than you, in a better and more skill intensive ship than you, in a rookie system if the older character is considered a rookie (meaning the one doing the shooting woudl be a rookie too). And in Arnon, a "rookie" can grab from PvPers cans all they want and if they get shot, they can just get someone banned. Its the ultimate griefing, and CCP encourages it.
Let's just say I'm feeling pretty sure they would
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Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:40:00 -
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I actually trust the GM's in this matter. Please do me a favor, help them, if need be, cut them a little slack, please grow them for me, lol. So they grow up into big strong veteran players for me to shoot at.
The GM's can tell if they're real beginners or not. I actually think it's kind of cool, they can blind side some of these bottom feeders, I think they deserve it. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 19:09:00 -
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Greg Valanti, I don't know where your at in your pirating career. What I'm trying to convey to most people that want to be real pirates, (not the weak bottom feeders) is that when done right in my opinion, there really is quite a lot of isk to be made. But very rarely does it occur in high sec, (some times it does), and I've never seen anyone get rich killing miners and newbys even with 100M isk payouts from goon.
Try infiltrating a medium size corp, earning there trust, then emptying there coffers into your pockets. Really really large isk potential there. Some of the richest players in eve got there fortunes this way.
One last example. I was working with a pirate corp, and joined an industrial low sec corp. They use to mine every Saturday morning. This particular Saturday was D-day so to speak. I was flying a cruiser guarding the mining fleet, as my pirate corp was preparing to invade the system. All my mids were fit with warp scramblers, I scrambled (2) Orcas, and (3) hulks as my friends jumped in to engage. Needless to say, we had a lot of fun, no one ejected that day. But it was a lot of fun, and the take wasn't to bad.
Killing beginners in any fashion really isn't where it's at, in my most humble opinion. Good Luck |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:28:00 -
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Cutter, nice reply +1
Greg Valanti, I was merely trying to suggest you might consider moving your band to areas and foes that are more worthy of you interests. That way you could rid yourself of even the possibly of getting caught up in all this confusion. Not going to waist another word on you, as I can see honestly, I don't apply.
I'm glad CCP is supporting the actual new player. Just seems natural to me. Most of the squackers are just trying to ensure that they have as many new defenseless players to kill as possible. This pressing the need to define everything, is so they can see clearly when they cross the line, to define that line to the most approachable point possible.
Bottom line is I really like the GM's approach, Well just handle it on a case by case basis. I support it 100% |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 21:57:00 -
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Just leave the rookies alone, just seems so hard for some to bare. |
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Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 22:21:00 -
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Well, it's not someone hauling around 25 Billion isk in assets. Not trying to be rude here, but your either stupid, or playing stupid. I mean that in the most sincere & respectful way. I just think your playing stupid, to try to make a point. I understand the point, and disagree, discretion needs to be exercised, period!!! If you think this is |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 22:33:00 -
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In your opinion, I respect it. I just don't agree with it, "Respectfully". Further more if you can't actually make the distinction in what makes a new player carrying 25B isk in assets, not a rookie then your whole prospective, and position comes to me as highly in question. Just being honest here. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:20:00 -
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Right. Well doesn't it seem pretty obvious that a genuine rook wouldn't gave 25B Isk worth of anything. Hmm. How would a real beginner player lay his hands on that kind of scratch. Hmm . Man I honestly don't think you get this, really. I'd like to see someone live there lives with out a little discretion. I guess discretion and EvE just don't match up very well eh. I have my opinions, you have yours, we don't agree, let's just drop it . |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:39:00 -
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OK listen, Let's just say I support CCP on this one. I'm fine with it being handled on a case by case basis. Your preaching to the wrong quire. I unlike you have no problem figuring this one out. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:50:00 -
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Naa, you r just good at speewing words all over the place to mask you personnel short comings.
I will say this, if a weak ship went by me anywhere, that wasn't friendly, say a (2) day old player with 5B isk in his cargo hold, he would be KABOOOM, just like that. I'd do it for the ISK period. I can think of dozens of situations where I personally wouldn't think twice bout killing a newer player. I personally feel I could make a mistake, and would live with the warning, or consequences. But I feel pretty confident in my ability in identifying who's actually new, and who is pretending. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 00:01:00 -
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Think we could all agree that if a two day old player joined any player owned corp, that there kinda taking there training wheels off and throwing them away. LOL. Honestly wouldn't that be pretty obvious. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 00:07:00 -
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Tippia your just of a mind set that your simply, (Under the guise of caring) trying to lean this to your specific agenda.
Let me repeat leave the new players alone! Per CCP
I'm leavin bye
PS Olleybear, I love that guy! your turn to work with the village wise men, (and women) for a while. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 00:18:00 -
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Haulie Berry, you make a damn good point. I too have committed that same act of sin, on more than a few occasions. Damn and I thought I had this all figured out.
Bye for real this time
It is pretty sad indeed |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:24:00 -
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If I were CCP, I would make very specific examples of the ones that cant seem to grasp this. I personally think they have every right to let the actions define this. Inspire people to use that thing that resides behind there eyes, to make smart decisions. I hope they leave it as is. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 05:27:00 -
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You know I understand you need your baby's to bash. So now were trying to decide, can't bash a 1 or 2 week old in the head with a base ball bat, but we need to make it clear that 6 month old baby's are ok for head bashing. Then it's oh my goodness, we can't do that to any baby's, but 2 year old's are ok to head bash. I'm simply not going to give this to you, no matter what stupid logic you keep pitching. What I'm certain of though, is there will still be easy targets for you to bash, you can rest assured of that. Don't Panic, they will still be there. |
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Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 05:34:00 -
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Kara Books Like a breath of fresh air.
It doesn't need to be crystal clear, this is simply your opinion, nothing more. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 05:49:00 -
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Fortunately for everyone Ruby, you don't establish game policy. I'm glad you don't. I trust CCP in this matter way more than you.
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Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 06:01:00 -
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You know you must feel very strongly about this. I'm impressed, I almost think your some kind of lawyer. Wow. You know I'm very impressed at how hard your trying.
Let me try this just one more time, just leave the rookies alone.
Now just so there isn't any confusion, I'm actually going to define Rookie for you. You've been wanting for it all day, we've been implying what it is all day. I told my self I wasn't going to give you the satisfaction, but here it is.
Rookie:
An inexperienced person; a novice.
Ok, now please go on, and tell us all why that isn't good enough. It's good enough for Websters, and basically the whole English speaking world. But I just have a feeling, lol. It's not good enough for you. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 06:14:00 -
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InternetSpaceship wrote:[quote=Kara Books]
Just look at goonswarm. Our day old rookies are tackling supercapitals 30 minutes after joining.
LMFAO, really? You seriously suggesting these guys are rookies? Honestly?
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Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:13:00 -
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Man I'm glad that's fine with you Ruby, that makes everything OK with everyone I guess. Well Not me!
By the way good morning.
CCP it's perfectly clear to me this guy had all the answers. and good ones to boot. Please just simply do what he says, so he'll shut up. Please Please |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 16:49:00 -
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Listen virtually every legal system in the world is full if things that are "Implied". It's everywhere, in virtually every system. I'm fine with this being a little grey. I actually like it like that, I have my reasons. I think many others agree. There are always people that disagree, there also virtually everywhere. I've had enough of this crap. If you can't grasp the concept, or disagree with the concept, that's your perspective, I respect that. Simple as that. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:02:00 -
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OK, I never even implied I want things totally safe in high sec. ThatGÇÖs ridiculous, I would never want that.
I like the grayness of the way it is now, simply because it muddies the waters for the bottom feeders determined to kill only the new talent, period!
I would greatly support any new changes that bounces anyone that commits a high sec crime straight to low and null sec, not allowing them to return to high sec still they have repaired there security. Simply donGÇÖt allow them back in, until they repair this. My purpose of this is very, very simple. To help populate low and null, with more people for me personally to shoot. In my opinion many should be migrating there that are not, itGÇÖs a little quite out there.
Remember this is my opinion, and only my opinion. I'll be just fine with however it levels out. I'll deal with it, because frankly I hate being in high sec anyway. Very rare days when I'm there.
If you canGÇÖt grasp these simple things, feel free to shove it where ever you want.
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Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 18:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:[quote=THE L0CK] We're trying to fix the stupid scenario that arises from the rule the GMs are thinking about applying, and we're showing that the stupid scenario is a direct result of the inability to define what a rookie is.
I'd exercise a little discretion when using the word stupid, and GM in the same sentence. Just a friendly piece of advise. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:26:00 -
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OK, since were so focused on making suggestions, and all doing our best to help the GM come to a conclusion as to how this should be handled, here is my two bits.
1)I think 6 months of safety is completely reasonable. Give them a chance to learn The Game. But thatGÇÖs all they get is 6 months. So if they open an account, play for 2 Hours, but do not return for say 6 months and one day. They clearly should loose this granted safety no matter what. They get 6 months period. Get set go.
2)There should be a list of Bozo No NoGÇÖs. For example, if they ever set foot in Anything less than high sec, join any player based corp, haul anything of value Greater than say 5m isk. (these are just examples) there newb protection ends Instantly. What I think makes sense are basic no noGÇÖs. IGÇÖm certain CCP could Derive this easy enough and adjust accordingly.
Something like this makes a certain sense to me. But honestly I like it just fine the way it is. I actually like the grayness of it, as with virtually all other aspects of life, and gaming. In my opinion the less certain you can make it the better, as many of the pun dents eluded too, itGÇÖs giveGÇÖs CCP the biggest hammer. In my opinion players that prey on new ones need lots of uncertainty to kinda make them think. Problem is having to think, exercise discretion, and related stuff, doesnGÇÖt seem to be in style with many of this crowd. IGÇÖm going to go out on a limb here, and predict. Many, Many more in this game, please refer to your survey, have no problem what so ever with the simple way the GM stated it. I donGÇÖt.
CCP please take note of all the debate here, and the blatant refusal to accept a potato, as a potato. There whole argument is simple. Stake them out a few systems. That way when they leave them, we can have at em just as soon as possible. They actually desperately need those defenseless players to kill, harass, or what ever.
The bottom feeders are always going to be there, trust me. No matter what you do, you probably wonGÇÖt be able to stop all of it. 90% is pretty good though.
My purpose is simple. I want the new guys to flourish, get interested, grow into solid veteran players. Move on to low, and null sec.s. Where many of us old school PVPGÇÖer are, and will welcome them to our world in a grand fashion.
TheyGÇÖre never going to stop trying to create uncertainty in this, or saying or doing anything to de-rail this. It just isnGÇÖt going to happen. I highly encourage the use of a big stick mentality for CCP regarding this. The will inevitably understand that, although it may take a bit.
The whole world works on the implications of certain events. DonGÇÖt jump in front of a speeding car, no law for that, but we all understand the implications.
Final words to GM
Lincoln Armm nicely said |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:44:00 -
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I'm sure CCP reads this for what it is. Simply stop responding. I'm done |
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Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 21:15:00 -
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Ruby this is for you and Tali
Three women are about to be executed. One's a brunette, one's a redhead and one's a blonde. The guard brings the brunette forward and the executioner asks if she has any last requests. She says no and the executioner shouts, ''Ready! Aim!'' Suddenly the brunette yells, ''EARTHQUAKE!!!'' Everyone is startled and throws themselves on the ground while she escapes. The guard brings the redhead forward and the executioner asks if she has any last requests. She say no and the executioner shouts, ''Ready! Aim!'' Suddenly the redhead yells, ''TORNADO!!!'' Everyone is startled and looks around for cover while she escapes. By now the blonde has it all figured out. The guard brings her forward and the executioner asks if she has any last requests. She says no and the executioner shouts, Ready! Aim!'' and the blonde yells, ''FIRE!!!''' |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.15 21:47:00 -
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A little jest for Tippia.
Tippia decides to learn and try horse back riding unassisted without prior experience or lessons. She mounts the horse with great effort, and the tall, shiny horse springs into motion. It gallops along at a steady and rhythmic pace, but Tippia begins to slip from the saddle. Out of shear terror, she grabs for the horse's mane but cannot seem to get a firm grip. She tries to throw her arms around the horse's neck, but she slides down the side of the horse anyway. The horse gallops along, seemingly oblivious to its slipping rider. Finally, giving up her frail grip, she leaps away from the horse to try and throw herself to safety. Unfortunately, her foot has become entangled in the stirrup. She is now at the mercy of the horse's pounding hooves as her head is struck against the ground again and again. As her head is battered against the ground, she is mere moments away from unconsciousn ess or even death when Frank, the Wal-Mart manager runs out to shut the horse off. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.16 04:23:00 -
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Does anyone here think,"Tippia" resembles Bill Clinton during the Monica Liwinski trials?
Personally I hate lawyers, and the like. My personal opinion is place them all on the "B" ark, and set them on there way. All else can board the "A" ark. (inside joke). They haven't got a lick of common sense, as many of these discussions have demonstrated.
I personally find it pretty scary that these misconceived, argumentative, confused people are placed in so many high political positions in most country's. I personally think it's pretty horrifying.
We should give this a rest, and take the high ground. These two, have pretty single handed worked hard to keep this thread alive, only for one purpose. So once the thread settles, Tippia can simply call for the situation to be rolled back, to previous. Just watch.
To be honest, I alone do not have the time to focus on keeping these folks in check. Honestly I'm pretty proud many are holding there ground here, and picking up the ball to run with it. But to be honest I'm not certain we even need to do it.
The basic simple fact is, EvE is an institution created to make money. Really it is that simple. CCP isn't going to let Ruby, Tippia, or anyone for that matter jeopardize that. No matter what tact they take. You can rest assured of that.
If the new players are not allowed to get a foothold, and enjoy the game, and spend cash dollars to purchase there subscriptions. This is a loose loose situation for CCP, and they're not going to let this happen. I'm certain of it.
So I think a little quitness is in order. Have faith in CCP in this area. Serious money is at stake. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.16 04:45:00 -
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Ruby, You want to corral the new players in a specific area,
This implies to me that the second they get bored and venture out of that system there fair game so to speak. I just disagree with that basically, probably not completely though. No disrespect to you. However this settles out, you and I'll be just fine. I think Tippia may have a stroke though, if she doesn't get this rolled back though. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.16 04:53:00 -
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I think I agree with your position there. Have a nice night Love Boat Captain. |
Mrr Woodcock
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Posted - 2012.06.16 22:26:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:[quote=GM Homonoia]I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten.
You all are what I would called seriously thick. Just read this. |
Mrr Woodcock
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:41:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Alright, instead of arguing this any further. Here one for you guys. I am sure that most of you understand our goals, now assuming you had ZERO development time, how would YOU word a policy that achieves these goals? The GM's Request. How would we word a policy to define goals? Nothing about defining what a rookie is, no request for it, as a matter of fact the way I read the GM's post they all ready have a pretty good Idea. Hense the following:
GM Homonoia wrote:Ok, this seems to be getting out of hand and our rulings are pulled out of context. So let me state this in the most simple terms possible. 1. New PLAYERS are protected by CCP in the systems listed here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems2. No one is protected in systems outside of this list. 3. None but new PLAYERS are protected by CCP in any way. 4. If new PLAYERS keep getting harassed the list of systems may be expanded. 5. Players cannot see which characters are new PLAYERS and which are old players with new CHARACTERS; game masters CAN see this and we act accordingly. 6. It is impossible to define what a new PLAYER is in a way that is comprehensible, to the point and without loop holes, in addition to our players able to apply these rules to their fellow players around them. This means that we will not provide a hard definition to our player base, however game masters internally can apply these rules consistently and without bias. 7. In general do NOT mess around with new PLAYERS; anyone else is fair game. The above guidelines are not up for discussion and they will not be further clarified. If you need further clarification you are probably doing something you should not be doing. They have there defination in house. Sounds like this one is a done deal! How ever the GM expands slightly. as follows: CONT.
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Mrr Woodcock
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Posted - 2012.06.17 08:48:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Ginseng Jita wrote:CCP needs to be upfront and define what a *rookie* is. Simple. No, see my post above. We can define it, but you, as a player, have no way of verifying if another player fits the criteria. In a previous post the GM xlearly states his motives, as follows:
GM Homonoia wrote:Sephira Galamore wrote:Sentinel Smith wrote:Honestly.. I don't understand people who think knowing the rules is a bad thing.. Imagine if life was like that at home, school, and otherwise in the world..
"Don't speed on this road." "What's the speed limit ?" " Get on a different road." .. o_0 See, there are different kind of rules. The hard ones and the vague ones and each have a purpose. If you state a rule somewhat vague you purposefully leave a grey area. Within this area, it is up to the police/judge/GM to decide whether you broke the rule or not. The effect of this is a certain uncertainty, which may appear as a bad thing but often really isn't. Since the goal here is to avoid people walking the line, to push the limits, to find loopholes. On the other hand, it allows GM to show leniance, too. (Also, vague rules are used, when it's very difficult to actually define the limits objectively). And you have these kind of rules/laws in real life, too. "Don't drive in a way that recklessly endangers other traffic participants" - "Wait, what classifies as reckless driving?" - "Don't push it, man!" If you would define "recklessly" by setting limits for speed, acceleration, deviation from the road center, and whatsnot, you'd leave loopholes. Of course, hard rules have a purpose aswell, as they make it easy to deal with obvious cases and are less prone to subjective judgement. So back to topic: If you are in a rookie system and in a situation where you wonder "Is this a rookie now or not?", it should be clear that as soon as you have valid cause to even ask this question, the safe course of action is to leave it be. It's a about common sense, really. Of course you can still ask that question, answer it for yourself as good as you can, but when acting accordingly, you willingly accept the risk that goes along with that. Eve, consequences and stuff ;) I cannot quote this person enough. Some rules are vague on purpose and they will remain vague. This is the 'reckless driving' equivalent. If I define the rules to the last dot someone will simply find a loop hole and use it. The rule is "do not mess with rookies", and if you are in doubt the answer is ALWAYS 'do not do it'. OK, it would seem plausible, who ever would like to make a post to help the GM word a policy to define these goals, it would be welcome.
However if you don't understand the goals, or are resistant to the implied goals. I personally don't think your in anyway qualified to participate in this discussion. I'm going as time allow, try to help to this end.
As I read this the GM isn't asking in anyway for a what a rookie is, or what it should be. Posters beating this issue to death are simply not interested in helping the GM what so ever. IMO |
Mrr Woodcock
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Posted - 2012.06.18 07:24:00 -
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I think banning is a little stiff. I totally support bouncing the criminal straight to low sec, with a -10. Then simply not allowing the gates to even let them back in, till they recover there security status. The gates simply don't work for them. Additionally return the rookies ship and what ever he or she may have lost.
Additionally no docking in high sec till, said security status is fixed. |
Mrr Woodcock
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Posted - 2012.06.18 17:58:00 -
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So you would prefer the person is banned, Ruby?
I agree wrong thread. I'll shut up. |
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Mrr Woodcock
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Posted - 2012.06.22 05:54:00 -
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Trust me on this. Ban Hammer starts dropping. They will be left alone, players will get the message. Trust me on this will ya.
Ruby, I didn't make the GD policy. lol
What I got from all that is if you can't figure it out and stop doing it. Your $hit is going to hit the fan. lol
But don't listen to me, just keep rocking that boat. lol |
Mrr Woodcock
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Posted - 2012.06.22 06:04:00 -
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Well, I have to admit, a few things do get by me, my bad, stupid, thick, however you want to say. I'm guilty. But, I can say I get the message here, at least I think I do.
Now for you. I gotta say, regardless of what I think or do. I do see slight glimmers of reason in some of your posts. Kinda respect ya. well sort of.
But that thread you were mouthing of in yesterday, with that ******. I think the thread got removed. Guy saying he was glad he run off a husband & wife mining team and all. Well ya got me wondering again. |
Mrr Woodcock
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Posted - 2012.06.22 14:37:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Mrr Woodcock wrote:Well, I have to admit, a few things do get by me, my bad, stupid, thick, however you want to say. I'm guilty. But, I can say I get the message here, at least I think I do.
Now for you. I gotta say, regardless of what I think or do. I do see slight glimmers of reason in some of your posts. Kinda respect ya. well sort of.
But that thread you were mouthing of in yesterday, with that ******. I think the thread got removed. Guy saying he was glad he run off a husband & wife mining team and all. Well ya got me wondering again. I fail to see how people realizing that the game isn't a good fit for their preferences is a bad thing; either for the game or for them. The sad thing is people taking so long to realize it. If the game's not a good fit for them, they will be happier once they find a game that does suit them. That said, you do have to protect people (and do so effectively) for long enough that they have the opportunity to learn about the game and thus the opportunity to make an informed decision. Should they fail to use that opportunity, thus robbing themselves of the opportunity to make an informed decision (as that mining team did), the time they waste on a game they don't enjoy is on them. People refusing to inform themselves while making the decision to continue playing is not a reason to change the game.
I think I would like to hear CCP's prospective on this. Since they did remove the thread. CCP how do you feel offically about this situation? Why do you think they locked, and removed the thread Ruby? |
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Posted - 2012.06.22 17:32:00 -
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OR trust your better judgement.[/quote]
Christ. That is the godamned rule that I've been suggesting, you nit. We are talking about helping CCP make official policy. Your personal policy, my personal policy, etc, is irrelevant.[/quote]
My point exactly, unless you happen to have s suggestions in regarding to how to word it. |
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Posted - 2012.06.23 00:23:00 -
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Domono wrote:
My best attempt at wording it would be: Do not interact with Rookies in any deceitful, aggressive, or harmful manner inside Rookie systems, and do not specifically target Rookies outside said systems.
Works for me. I can here it now, O May Gawd, we just gotta have rookie defined, this just cant work if we don't get what a rookie is defined. LMFAO |
Mrr Woodcock
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Posted - 2012.06.23 00:46:00 -
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Damn Ruby, I ws following you on the everyone thing. |
Mrr Woodcock
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:33:00 -
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Let me tell you what I think is the easiest way to kill new players. Invite them to a fleet, when they accept, fly right up to him, or her and POW. One dead rookie. I could do this virtually all after noon, never have any risk, not miss a single one. Heck believe it or not I've actually done this in NPC 0.0 with success. The thing you need to ask yourself is why?
I think the rule works just fine. Just look at this thread, it's a testament to it's effectiveness. |
Mrr Woodcock
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:53:00 -
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Hey Ruby, how your night going? |
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:58:00 -
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Nice! |
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Posted - 2012.06.23 04:13:00 -
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Good thanks. Time for TV. Have a nice night. |
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