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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:57:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten.
first thing I did when I started eve was attack one of those NPC cargo ships that travel from station to station.... I didn't realize it was NPC at the time. It kicked my never-docked-in-it's life noob ship's buttox.
The second thing I did was undock in another noob ship and find a real player to attack. They also kicked my ass.
Perhaps I'm not the typical new player. However, I don't believe I'm the only one that would ever try to do such a thing. In my case, I wasn't upset that they kicked my butt, in fact I expected it.
Personally I don't think there's a better time to let new players know that there is no safe place in eve, than before they subscribe.
This false sense of security you give them only breeds resentment when they ultimately do get ganked in high sec. BUT... because you've protected them while it would be relatively in-expensive, they are surprised when they lose millions or even billions.
Eve players don't need to be molly-coddled. And players that need to have their hand held simply aren't going to like Eve as it is. That's something you really should come to terms with, and either accept it or change Eve.
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:00:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:SghnDubh wrote: Makes me want to add a tag to my killboards.
If you show up as the aggressor in a noob system, and the pilot has less than 6 months ingame, you'll get a bully badge. And it may not really be the kind of badge you want people to see.
Just thinking out loud, so to speak...
If you shoot someone an kill em in the noob system an they're a noob, youll get a ban badge. Just thinking out loud, so to speak...
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:06:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:ian papabear wrote:okay so i get the "dont mess with the rookies period" point, but is pvp still allowed in the system? like for example can you pvp with someone who isnt a rookie in that system?
I dont pvp in rookie systems but when i would go to them i would see people pvping outside the staton who arent rookies Yes, you can still PvP there. You cannot mess with the rookies there, what you do to other people is your own business. Note that dropping your property into space in a rookie system is not a bright idea. If a rookie gets curious ad takes from the can you had better not shoot him. You do not want a rookie to nab your stuff, do not drop the stuff in a rookie system.
What if we bait someone we're mentoring... strictly as part of the mentoring process? ... |
Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:55:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten.
so when I fly into a system, will it inform me that it's a rookie system, or am I just supposed to know?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
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Posted - 2012.06.16 02:30:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Ok, this seems to be getting out of hand and our rulings are pulled out of context. So let me state this in the most simple terms possible. 1. New PLAYERS are protected by CCP in the systems listed here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems2. No one is protected in systems outside of this list.3. None but new PLAYERS are protected by CCP in any way. 4. If new PLAYERS keep getting harassed the list of systems may be expanded. 5. Players cannot see which characters are new PLAYERS and which are old players with new CHARACTERS; game masters CAN see this and we act accordingly. 6. It is impossible to define what a new PLAYER is in a way that is comprehensible, to the point and without loop holes, in addition to our players able to apply these rules to their fellow players around them. This means that we will not provide a hard definition to our player base, however game masters internally can apply these rules consistently and without bias. 7. In general do NOT mess around with new PLAYERS; anyone else is fair game. The above guidelines are not up for discussion and they will not be further clarified. If you need further clarification you are probably doing something you should not be doing.
except now they're protected in systems outside that list..... #4
If game masters can see which players are NEW, and you want us to not pick on them, then let us see it too! And while you're at it, just make them invulnerable for first 30 days of new accounts or something. Let them opt out of course, if they want, just make sure they have to click like 5 confirmation screens in order to opt out.
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Posted - 2012.06.16 02:32:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Ginseng Jita wrote:CCP needs to be upfront and define what a *rookie* is. Simple. No, see my post above. We can define it, but you, as a player, have no way of verifying if another player fits the criteria.
then give us a way to do so!
Basically you're saying this:
Don't break the speed limit when driving your car!
Then you don't post the speed limit.
wtf, we all go 5 miles per hour?
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2012.06.16 02:34:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:
If a "rookie" like that can take these actions he is obviously not a rookie and is thus not protected. Common sense; apply it.
And who wants to get that ban while the logs are being checked?
Can't we just make it simpler? It's obviously of great importance to you. Threatening customers with bans is not the way to manage this.
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Posted - 2012.06.16 02:36:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:EI Digin wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:EI Digin wrote:There are many many situations where a "new player", either a legitimate new player or a veteran with an axe to grind and a trial account, can exploit the system resulting in others becoming banned.
Off of the top of my head: - Using a 1 day player/alt in a frigate to fight wartargets in a rookie zone - Hauling overly expensive gear in a small frigate or industrial
Also you have situations where rookies who do not know what they are doing end up doing things like can flipping other rookies resulting in hilarious consequences and liberal use of the banhammer.
It's better to have people learn lessons the hard way than to coddle them through the game, because they will end up being griefed at one point or another. And if you're going to have player immunity, make it so that the rookies can't do any harm either, because you should know that eve players will take every advantage they can get to **** people off. If a "rookie" like that can take these actions he is obviously not a rookie and is thus not protected. Common sense; apply it. It's not out of line for a rookie to join a corporation that is wardecced or to haul something between stations for money. There are many other situations where a new player could legitimately enter a scenario where they could blow up or blow someone else up due to the hands of another player in EvE Online, a spaceship game designed around blowing other spaceships. And this is why we will not define what a rookie is. Once again, common sense; a rookie involves himself in a war, perhaps not so rookie anymore. Now, stop coming up with hypothetical situations and apply some common sense.
Or just ban remove the flagging for jetcans in those systems? There has to be a way to make this self-managing. That' make it easier for both us and you!
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2012.06.16 02:37:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Alright, instead of arguing this any further. Here one for you guys. I am sure that most of you understand our goals, now assuming you had ZERO development time, how would YOU word a policy that achieves these goals?
First, if it's that important, then it probably deserves some development time.
Conversely if it deserves zero development time, then it is not that important, and just let it go.
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2012.06.16 02:38:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:RubyPorto wrote: b) continue short list of Exceptions, like initiating a suicide gank, or whatever. Take these from the publicly viewable information used in your in house Newbie definition
That right there is the problem. We can probably write a list the size of a dictionary. So we will stick to case by case basis. The only issue left is the wording of the evelopedia page. I will see if I can raise the discussion on that internally, but a new wording may take a while.
people get kicked out of noobie help chat after 30 days, so I would assume they're not a noob anymore by your defintion. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2012.06.16 05:39:00 -
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Mrr Woodcock wrote:I think I agree with your position there. Have a nice night Love Boat Captain.
Captain Merrill Stubing
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