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Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:51:00 -
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Okay.. so up until recently the rules for Rookie Systems have been fairly cut and dry.
[ quote from GM posted in Local some months ago
Flipping is clear, taking someone else's can, and moving it's contents into your own.. Reason behind it it being that new players would take from your new can to get their stuff back, and then you'd pop them
Baiting was a little more of a grey area, but generally mean any time you dropped a can and then engaged someone who took from it, with the exception being if you were actively mining and using it, or if via local/pm/can name you were making a 1v1 can or something like that.
Now I have heard recently that this has changed
Now almost any action that destroys a new player in a Rookie system is a warn/bannable offence. If you steal from someone, they engage you, and you destroy them.. you are at risk of a ban If you kill a npc, wt, etc, and someone steals from you, and you kill them, you are at risk of a ban etc
I have seen no changes to the EULA or Wiki about rookie system rules No announcement was made to warn players that the rules have changed, some just woke up to a ban/warning. How is it fair that someone receive a ban/warning for doing something that a few days before was by other GM's own statements, allowed
So what are the exact rules now ? What is a new player ? Does this mean that if you see a blinking red in a rookie system you need to first check their profile before shooting ? What if my account is 6 years old, but I only played for one day 6 years ago and now I'm back, am I still new of am I a valid target now ? What if you have an active war with a corp, and a "new" player is in that corp.. They are still new, are they valid targets
I've heard the phrase is to trick a new player into allowing you to engage.. This is a fairly subjective statement isn't it ? I mean I could go through the belt ratting, leave wrecks, continue to another belt, meet a player that took from one.. It's a red target, and I might have had no intent of tricking.. And now there's a warning just for engaging something that the game mechanics themselves say is valid
Now I'm not against any changes.. I think the old rules had loopholes so big you could fly a titan through.. But I just think the rules need to be made clear.
And if the goal is removing these issues, why not just remove the ability to steal in Rookie systems ? Or disable aggro mechanics there all together ? Rather than what are potentially subjective rules, if the method of enforcement is the same as a week ago, relies on someone Knowing the rules and making a petition to a GM about it
Oh and before people ask or accuse, I don't go around griefing noobs.. Ask anyone in Clellinon.. I have 15+ petitions in my history reporting people for baiting and flipping.. I'm all about protecting the newbies.. But I also think everyone should have a fair chance to know the rules ahead of time. God knows I've had to warn enough veteran players from baiting/flipping because the last time they were in a rookie system it was fine, and because they didn't check for the new rules.. But with no new rules being posted, yet warning/bans being issued, I think that's unfair to punish people for what was permitted actions in the sandbox without first providing them the Information to them to prevent that.. if the EULA/Wikie rules were updated, and no one checked, hey, tough luck.. but if they aren't, then that's just not right
So if a GM would be so kind to shead some light on this, so I and others know what actions should be avoided, or if seen should warrent a petition, I and I'm sure both Rookies, and corps/individuals that reside in rookie systems would appriciate it |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
115
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:01:00 -
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I do know that it is perfectly acceptable to gank someone in a rookie system because I petitioned the action before I did it (******* AFK Hulk drivers...) +1 in local |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
264
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:04:00 -
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Move away from starter systems Find better targets ?????? Profit! Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
69
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:12:00 -
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Why are you sitting in the starter system trying to go up to the line without crossing it? Leave the noobs alone. There will be plenty of time to grief those players later, if that's your thing. Don't make them quit before they get the opportunity to appreciate the game. |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
69
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:16:00 -
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It's not a new rule or new interpretation, it was a reinforcement of what's always been the case at least as long as I've been a player since Aprocrypha in 2009.
Any kind of harassment of noobs in rookie systems is a no no and always has been. Just go one jump over, how hard would that be... |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:21:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:Why are you sitting in the starter system trying to go up to the line without crossing it? Leave the noobs alone. There will be plenty of time to grief those players later, if that's your thing. Don't make them quit before they get the opportunity to appreciate the game. The only Noob I, or any of my alts ever killed, was when I was a noob myself.. If I, or my alts want a fight, I make my way to Null and get a real one :)
Why do I live in the starter system ? Cause when I'm docked up I rather enjoy helping rookies out with their questions, giving suggestions, etc.. People were nice enough to help me out when I was starting.. And because a Rookie system is big enough to always have an active local chat, without the crap that goes on at mission and trade hubs.. Plus the system is rather centrality located to where I mission, mine, and hauling to hubs..
Well since I started in Nov, I know what was enforced, and what GM's would say was okay/not okay from the many times they showed up in local.. Give what they said at the time, these are new rules, or at least directly contradict what GM's said was okay over Christmas. Now as I said, I support stronger rules.. a lot of crap was done in Rookie systems "legally".. But I think it's important that the rules get spelled out. |
Avid Bumhumper
Furian Necromongers
55
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:23:00 -
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I'm not sure admitting your an incompetent player that can only handle noobs is something you want to post here.....
My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale..... |
Elder Ozzian
Stargates and Smuggler Barons
30
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:07:00 -
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In my opinion; When you undock, you are in risk - even in rookie systems! That is the Eve we all love. If they don't understand the warning text when stealing; add a warning box for undocking!
They got warned, didn't they?
Also, give more free skillpoints to new players, so they can actually fight back! |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
539
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:12:00 -
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I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
251
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:13:00 -
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Only Rookies have Cookies!
Can rookies not have a training system locked only for them for say, 1 week? or until they complete a training tutorial then the gate is open and they MUST leave that system and we can do what we want then? That way they cannot hide in 1.0 forever. |
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Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
448
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:15:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten.
o.0
Applause!
Who needs television when you have EVE? EVE drama, best drama. |
Jonah Gravenstein
183
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:17:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten.
[troll]but..but.. that describes 50% of the player base[/troll]
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
273
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:30:00 -
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If its a t2 in a rookie system. its not a rookie. Gack them. Otherwise its still and always has been cut and dry. |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:31:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. Thankyou for the concise response :)
Could we get some indication of what a Rookie is ?
Maybe not an exact date and time.. but.. Clearly messing with a newbie in a Navitas would be bad.. What about the guy that shows up in a Retty, Cov, Hulk, stripping the belts bare.. Are we allowed to mess with them ?
Or the two month player running scanned sites down, and ratting in the belts.. are the free to steal from or engage if they take from us ?
There are lots of players that pass through at least the Rookie system I base out of, of all ages, skill levels, and intent.. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:34:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten.
Yeah those sociopathic personalities ppl say dont actually exist in this game...
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2944
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:37:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten. its not a newbie if its in a mining barge right |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:42:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten. its not a newbie if its in a mining barge right
again...
Heres an idea, go to those systems and if you get banned, that was a rookie.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:42:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Here's an idea, go to those systems and if you get banned, that was a rookie.
Dont think its THAT hard to figure out who NOT to kill when they GIVE YOU A LIST of systems -.- I live in a rookie system.. and as I said, me, and all my alts have accounted for 1 "newbie" kill, and that was when I was a newbie.. [ first week or so.. ]..
But I also run sites, not uncommon for another player I personally would consider not a rookie to show up and start stealing from the first room while I'm in another.. Valid target in my books, I wouldn't consider anyone who can scan down a Serpentis Watch for example a newbie.. But I donno what I GM would say..
I want to know where I stand.. and I really don't care if people want to troll with "go elsewhere".. I'm quite happy where I am.. and I'll be fine with the rules either way.. but I still want to know.. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:45:00 -
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Sentinel Smith wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Here's an idea, go to those systems and if you get banned, that was a rookie.
Dont think its THAT hard to figure out who NOT to kill when they GIVE YOU A LIST of systems -.- I live in a rookie system.. and as I said, me, and all my alts have accounted for 1 "newbie" kill, and that was when I was a newbie.. [ first week or so.. ].. But I also run sites, not uncommon for another player I personally would consider not a rookie to show up and start stealing from the first room while I'm in another.. Valid target in my books, I wouldn't consider anyone who can scan down a Serpentis Watch for example a newbie.. But I donno what I GM would say.. I want to know where I stand.. and I really don't care if people want to troll with "go elsewhere".. I'm quite happy where I am.. and I'll be fine with the rules either way.. but I still want to know..
wel... be careful who you kill in that system tyhen. Apparently you take the real chance of getting yourself banned for killing ppl there
Its your choice to remain where youve now directly been warned that you may get banned for killing ppl.... Kinda up to you at this point lol
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
662
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:45:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten. its not a newbie if its in a mining barge right If they are in a rookie system I would say you are wrong. Not everyone is "all in" when they start playing. I certainly wasn't. It may be that they only actually played a few times but skilled up to fly a mining barge. An exumer would probably be a different story... do what you want but I would just avoid rookie systems altogether.
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Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:46:00 -
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I am careful.. it's also why I'm Asking ... So I know for sure lol
No sense running around blind.. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
612
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:49:00 -
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The rookie help chat channel auto opens for the first, what, two weeks? Maybe that's a good definition of a rookie. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:50:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Weaselior wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten. its not a newbie if its in a mining barge right If they are in a rookie system I would say you are wrong. Not everyone is "all in" when they start playing. I certainly wasn't. It may be that they only actually played a few times but skilled up to fly a mining barge. An exumer would probably be a different story... do what you want but I would just avoid rookie systems altogether.
Kinda the idea I was hinting at
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Cavel Avada
Estel Arador Corp Services
7
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:52:00 -
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Lot of reading comprehension fails in this thread. OP clearly said she's NOT actively griefing newbs, but wants to know if it's ok to kill a newb who does something that deserves it (like stealing her stuff whens he's minding her own business).
Seems like a valid question to me. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
662
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:55:00 -
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Cavel Avada wrote:Lot of reading comprehension fails in this thread. OP clearly said she's NOT actively griefing newbs, but wants to know if it's ok to kill a newb who does something that deserves it (like stealing her stuff whens he's minding her own business).
Seems like a valid question to me. If you've been playing for more than 6 months and are still in rookie systems EvE might not be your thing is all I'm sayin'
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:56:00 -
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Cavel Avada wrote:Lot of reading comprehension fails in this thread. OP clearly said she's NOT actively griefing newbs, but wants to know if it's ok to kill a newb who does something that deserves it (like stealing her stuff whens he's minding her own business).
Seems like a valid question to me.
Yeah but most of those asking for further clarification past the GM's clarification are ppl looking TO gank.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:01:00 -
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Cavel Avada wrote:Lot of reading comprehension fails in this thread. OP clearly said she's NOT actively griefing newbs, but wants to know if it's ok to kill a newb who does something that deserves it (like stealing her stuff whens he's minding her own business).
Seems like a valid question to me. I don't want to kill newbies at all lol
But if what I define a rookie as, and what a GM does are not the same, then there could be issues..
And Gogela.. I can stay in a this system for 6 years if I want too.. I don't spend all my time here.. But it's still my home base..
If I want to mine, 0.5.. If I want to trade, Jita.. If I want a fight, nullsec.
But I still scan and run sites where ever I find them, and other things.. So I want to know where things stand..
Don't know why everyone thinks the answer for "What are the rules?" is "Move".. Don't work like that anywhere else in Eve, or irl lol. |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:05:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Cavel Avada wrote:Lot of reading comprehension fails in this thread. OP clearly said she's NOT actively griefing newbs, but wants to know if it's ok to kill a newb who does something that deserves it (like stealing her stuff whens he's minding her own business).
Seems like a valid question to me. Yeah but most of those asking for further clarification past the GM's clarification are ppl looking TO gank. If a GM would do it, I'd gladly get them to vouch for the fact that none of my accounts or toons have ever ganked anyone, or griefed rookies, but anyone definition.
I know anyone that has spent time in Clellinon will vouch for the fact that I help, not grief.. but oh well..
Some people just want to know the rules of the game.. I want to know when I see a Red who isn't in an 'early' ship if I can Shoot.. And I want to know the specifics in case I want to petition someone who is imho greifing a newbie, or seems to be looking for trouble so I can advise them of the rules.. |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
364
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:05:00 -
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If you are not a rookie, why are you in a rookie system? I love flying titans in Jita, setting bubbles in Rens,-áor firing off bombs from my stealth bomber-áin Dodixie!-á Just think, if Eve wasn't a sandbox, none of this would be possible! |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:09:00 -
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Sentinel Smith wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Cavel Avada wrote:Lot of reading comprehension fails in this thread. OP clearly said she's NOT actively griefing newbs, but wants to know if it's ok to kill a newb who does something that deserves it (like stealing her stuff whens he's minding her own business).
Seems like a valid question to me. Yeah but most of those asking for further clarification past the GM's clarification are ppl looking TO gank. If a GM would do it, I'd gladly get them to vouch for the fact that none of my accounts or toons have ever ganked anyone, or griefed rookies, but anyone definition. I know anyone that has spent time in Clellinon will vouch for the fact that I help, not grief.. but oh well.. Some people just want to know the rules of the game.. I want to know when I see a Red who isn't in an 'early' ship if I can Shoot.. And I want to know the specifics in case I want to petition someone who is imho greifing a newbie, or seems to be looking for trouble so I can advise them of the rules..
if you shoot someone in the system youre in... Im guessing expect a ban. Even/especially if they shoot you first (as theyre expected to do stupid stuff like that cause they dont know better) Hell, the first time I remember dying I was in my shiny new kestrel and saw someone in a pod, on a gate who had a 100 million bounty on them (that was alot to me back then) so I locked and fires
ONE LIGHT MISSILE
there was much lolling in local at my expense
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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