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Trappist Monk
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:10:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten. Seems pretty clear to me. too bad they muddled it in the other threads. if it were this simple, i would agree with you. but it isn't, as they're creeping the changes into non-rookie systems |
Trappist Monk
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:11:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:None of this would be an issue if people weren't pathetic enough to go shoot at rookies in the first place. This. Posting whines onto this thread about needing to clarify what is a rookie just shows how desperate so many people are to shoot rookies in the first place. The screams for definition are, as usual, requests for a way around the rules. Leave the rookies alone. a 6yr vet who sets up a noob scout alt is not a noob. for god's sake listen to yourself. its like you never played this game. |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
356
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:13:00 -
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If a few older player's alts get protected under these new rules, what's the harm? CCP can probably tell when it's a true new account versus a newbie created on an older players account. Might lead to new rules on exploits. That's fine. Protecting rookie players is important enough that it has to happen even if it allows some older players to abuse the rookie protection. |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
356
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:14:00 -
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Trappist Monk wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:None of this would be an issue if people weren't pathetic enough to go shoot at rookies in the first place. This. Posting whines onto this thread about needing to clarify what is a rookie just shows how desperate so many people are to shoot rookies in the first place. The screams for definition are, as usual, requests for a way around the rules. Leave the rookies alone. a 6yr vet who sets up a noob scout alt is not a noob. for god's sake listen to yourself. its like you never played this game.
For god's sake listen to yourself. It's like you never did anything but play this game and it's far, far too important to you. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
503
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:27:00 -
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Trappist Monk wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Trappist Monk wrote:Savage Angel wrote:Now we see true colors. ITT a bunch of jerks trying to find any loophole to be a jerk. Read the GM response - the rule is vague to keep you jackals from doing just that. If the rules are written well and the system is designed well, there should be no loopholes. And we have volumes of well written law books and yet there are still loopholes. The same would happen here, CCP could grab their lawyer, have him write the entire hall of Eve laws and bylaws, and we would still end up with people finding any little loophole or simply claiming that they didn't know because they couldn't be ass'd to read the Encyclopedia Britannica of Eve rules. GM Homonia, I feel, has given a very well defined answer that suits the purpose very well. You guys are looking for a number and that will not work. I can easily give you several loophole scenario's when we base a rookie's status on just his age. It is better that they have more of a gray area where they can handle things case by case. Mean while I 'm sure you guys can step up a little and hunt players who are a couple months old, I'm fairly certain you may be able to handle them. You're missing the point. The complexity of law isn't necessary or applicable here. More to the point, complex rules would be unnecessary if the game were designed with noob protection in mind, instead of as an afterthought 9 years later. Let me put it another way: most of you are talking about new PLAYERS, i.e. people who haven't played EVE before and need time to acclimate. The rest of us are talking about new CHARACTERS, who can be 6 yr vets or new players. The issue here should be relatively obvious. If you make rules based on the age of the CHARACTER, then creative vets are going to use noob alts to stir up trouble or to make themselves immune to attack or, worse still, use them to get other people warned/banned. It's reasonable to want to protect new PLAYERS, but creating random, vague, ill conceived, poorly implemented, inconsistently applied rules isn't going to do that. All it does is create minor **** storms like this one. If the goal of the rules is to protect new PLAYERS, then there should be a safe, insulated starting zone (preferably implemented as a "simulator" inside a station that you must graduate from to join the real eve), that allows real noobs to learn the game and its consequences without having to implement a bunch of halfass **** rules that never address the core issue: new player retention. As is typical for CCP (and, lets face it, many large bureaucracies), they're focused on the symptoms rather than the cause. At its root its the same issue that plagues EVE in many other ways, its an incredibly complicated game with no real user instructions. So, yes, I agree we should protect new players. Everyone else can suck my Howitzer. Unless CCP wants to spend a LOT of time micromanaging new player relations in EVE, they need to walk this rule change back to something simple and easy to remember and then publish it. Something like, no pvp, no theft, no bumping, no griefing, no nothing in rookie systems and only rookie systems. All of you should expect to see an increase in "noobs" provoking you to see if they can get you banned.
You and I are actually on the same page, we are just seeing different conclusions to the matter. The main problem that many of us are talking about is that the infraction in question that spawned this thread along with its brother yesterday, is that the rookies are being targeted while running this epic arc mission outside of the rookie systems and they may only be days old. So should a box appear telling them that by accepting this quest they acknowledge that leaving the system may result in injury or death by a player with nothing better to do? And you can't tell me that players can't tell the difference. I make a living myself scanning out mission runners and pissing them off and I find that a frigate is much harder to pinpoint than a battleship and that tells me that these people really have to work hard to make the mistake. On the same note we now have a GM claiming that there will be blanket bans in the starter systems thus giving older players immunity. I agree that this is also wrong. I also agree that a rookie in a badger suddenly hauling millions in goods most likely isn't a rookie. I agree that a rookie who heads into lowsec to watch a gate is definitely not a rookie. I also agree that not everybody who runs the epic arcs is not rookie. But as the GM stated, if they tell us that a rookie is somebody who is 8 days old, players will just hunt people at 9 days. You draw a line and people will find a way to bend it. You leave it gray and they tend to be a bit more cautious.
And Mr. ISD guy, why did you delete my question to Tippia? I did not personally attack him, it dealt directly with the rest of the thread, and was essentially the same question asked as the guy above me (now above you), only worded differently. Why did my question go away. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7942
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:30:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Please explain, in detail, how you believe this is the case. If it is made absolutely and in every way illegal to attack rookies, then anyone with any kinds of brains will keep creating rookies for any form of risky hauling, travel, and/or spying.
Even if (in fact, especially if) there are non-public GM-discretion rules that someone who's using his umpty-eleventh recycled alt to do this will not be considered a rookie and is free to attack, there is no way for the rest of us to determine this and figure out that, yes, we can indeed attack this apparent rookie without censure, because he is in fact not a rookie at all. Even tying it to the account age and providing a public GÇ£newbieGÇ¥ flag on characters on that account will not stop this GÇö people will use trials and buddy accounts to create the same protection against their characters. The outside capriciousness of the GMs' decisions makes it suicidal to try to stop even a blatantly obvious non-rookie because there is no way of knowing whether they will think it's as obvious as you do (and the obviousness might turn out to be wrong).
Suddenly, we have an entire class of characters that can do immense damage to people around them, but which cannot be retaliated against or interdicted. This would be far more damaging to the game than the occasional innocent rookie getting blown up.
Ban Bindy wrote:If a few older player's alts get protected under these new rules, what's the harm? CCP can probably tell when it's a true new account versus a newbie created on an older players account. Might lead to new rules on exploits. That's fine. Protecting rookie players is important enough that it has to happen even if it allows some older players to abuse the rookie protection. The harm is that we can't make the distinction, so the GMs would never have the opportunity to make it GÇö no-one will be stupid enough to attack such a character because you never know (and that's also why the moronic GÇ£try it GÇö if you get banned it was wrongGÇ¥ argument presented earlier is so insanely and laughably stupid). It creates a layer of protection that these older players should never have, and it does so because it is impossible to distinguish them from actual rookies by those who really need to be able to make that distinction GÇö the players. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:35:00 -
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Personally, I'm really at a loss for words here, sept this. Good for CCP. It's really very very simple, just leave the new players alone. Get it, just leave them alone. When in doubt just don't mess with them. Once again all this ragging debate to simply preserve the right for weak PVP players to kill the newest players in the game. Honestly it just never ceases to amaze me.
I not for one single second, believe this is what CCP envisioned when they created this game. It's bad for there business, for these guys to run off the new talent before they even get started. It's bad for real PVP'ers as they end up ditching the game before they ever have the opportunity to improve, then bring a real fight to guys like me. IMO it just all around sucks. It's just bad in virtually all aspects, except for providing the weakest of targets for so called PVP players that can do no better.
Then there's you guys that have to define when there not new anymore, Gawd really! |
Haulie Berry
207
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:46:00 -
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Chandaris wrote:Stay out of the rookie systems, and if you have to go to them don't go there with the intention of greifing / killing / stealing from the noobs..
It's not that hard, and if you're looking for cut and dry rules you won't get them. The Gm's likely use a heavy amount of judgement as not two situations in eve are the same.
If you wanna grief people, don't do it in the newb systems.. it is that simple.. you're over thinking it.
Bravo on responding to a point that's not even under contention.
It's not that simple, because they've threatened to arbitrarily redefine other systems as "rookie" systems.
So now the rule is, apparently, "Don't gank rookies in rookie systems and, also, don't gank them in other systems or we'll turn them into rookie systems, too," which is a pretty obvious and grossly egregious bit of policy creep. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7944
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:52:00 -
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Dakeen Kurvora wrote:I'm still not understanding any kind of issue with the simple rule of don't mess with rookies?
You scan down a potential gank victim in high sec, check him out and he is a under a month old. Move on!
You find a procurer mining in high sec belt while your out ganking miners, check him. Under a month? Move on! You find a Badger I carrying 25 billion in technetium coming out of gate cloak on a the EC-P8R gate in Torrinos, check him. Under a month. Move onGǪ? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:56:00 -
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The point here is so very simple. #1 use your brains, don't kill beginner players. If you can't figure out who they are, who's the weak link here hmm.
Sunshine and Lollipops what do you think??? |
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Haulie Berry
207
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:56:00 -
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Dakeen Kurvora wrote:I'm still not understanding any kind of issue with the simple rule of don't mess with rookies?
Yes, you clearly don't understand, because that's really not the rule. The rule as we know it is don't mess with rookies in rookie systems.
Quote:You scan down a potential gank victim in high sec, check him out and he is a under a month old. Move on!
You find a procurer mining in high sec belt while your out ganking miners, check him. Under a month? Move on!
Rookie grabs your bait can? Let him leave!
What is wrong with any of that? Afraid it might be an alt gaining Intel on you.... in high sec? Seriously?
Well for starters, in none of those situations is the "rookie" protected by policy, unless the occurrence is within a very specific handful of systems.
Quote:A rookie comes into your low sec/null system and hangs around longer than he should? Blast him. You might -maybe- get a warning sure,
...what? Are you high?
You seem to have absolutely zero grasp of even the vaguest definition of the rules as they exist. |
Greg Valanti
Looney Clones
51
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:57:00 -
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Chloe Dacella wrote:I've been playing for under a month. I recently got into a fight in a belt in a rookie system with someone who had been playing for a week or two longer than I had. They were in a T1 cruiser and I was in a T1 frig. I won and got a "don't **** with the rookies" message.
Now I'm not saying that I think that it's okay for anyone and everyone to **** with rookies but I think that if someone has been playing for longer than you have and has a more powerful ship than you have, then they should be fair game. The rules as they stand make it very difficult for very new players to get into PvP and piracy.
since everyone seems to be ignoring the reason this thread was bumped in the first place. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:58:00 -
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Dakeen Kurvora wrote:I'm still not understanding any kind of issue with the simple rule of don't mess with rookies?
You scan down a potential gank victim in high sec, check him out and he is a under a month old. Move on!
You find a procurer mining in high sec belt while your out ganking miners, check him. Under a month? Move on!
Rookie grabs your bait can? Let him leave!
What is wrong with any of that? Afraid it might be an alt gaining Intel on you.... in high sec? Seriously?
A rookie comes into your low sec/null system and hangs around longer than he should? Blast him. You might -maybe- get a warning sure, then just kindly explain to the GM that he overstayed his welcome, or you warned him. Especially true if they happen to be attempting to follow you or just floating around outside a gate or station, for an extended period --read: like 10+ minutes--
Probably don't have to worry much about rookies in Null. I've seen many of Rookie ships left behind by the NPC gate guards.
Use your brain that's all the rule asks for, if your brain fails you then take the slap on the wrist and move on. Thanks to kill reports there is a clear difference between an "oops" every once in a great while and a supposed "oops" 4 times in the same day.
To add in about flagging Rookies in any form: Flagging Rookies only makes it easier to spot them for people who want to attack them. Yes this does make it easier to spot who is griefing them, but those that want to still will, and be more ruthless about it knowing they will be banned. Making them immune to aggression opens a windows for exploitation, the phrase "Your an idiot if you don't transport stuff using a rookie alt" would become extremely popular overnight. It happens in other games with similar mechanics. Because an alt on a 6 year old account isn't a rookie.
Becaue not every rookie needs a month to get used to the game.
Because some new players actually do jump into PvP and bating shortly after joining EVE.
And "don't mess with rookies" doesn't account for any of that.
You need a new account timer, not a broadbased rule that isn't coded. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:59:00 -
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Tippia, could you please explain to me when a rookie would be hauling 25 Billion of anything Hmm. Don't you think that would make him kinda not a rookie???? |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
76
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:00:00 -
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Dakeen.. Protection only applies in the rookie +9 and +1.0 systems afaik..
If a rookie wanders into lowsec, he is fair game.. There is a big friendly warning to that effect that he gets.. Inability to read ain't my problem. |
Dakeen Kurvora
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Dakeen Kurvora wrote:I'm still not understanding any kind of issue with the simple rule of don't mess with rookies?
You scan down a potential gank victim in high sec, check him out and he is a under a month old. Move on!
You find a procurer mining in high sec belt while your out ganking miners, check him. Under a month? Move on! You find a Badger I carrying 25 billion in technetium coming out of gate cloak on a the EC-P8R gate in Torrinos, check him. Under a month. Move onGǪ?
Unfortunately you seemed to have missed the part about using your brain. Obviously that is no rookie sir. Fire away. Like I said if your brain fails you then take the slap on the wrist. It's --extremely-- unlikely that a GM will do anything in that situation. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7944
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:02:00 -
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Mrr Woodcock wrote:Tippia, could you please explain to me when a rookie would be hauling 25 Billion of anything Hmm. Don't you think that would make him kinda not a rookie???? That's just it: we don't know. We are not allowed to know. An actual rookie can most certainly be carrying 25 billion worth of anything, so why shouldn't I be able to interdict that and roll around in the cash just because he's new?
Dakeen Kurvora wrote:Unfortunately you seemed to have missed the part about using your brain. Obviously that is no rookie sir. Says you. How do I know that? What happens when it turns out that, indeed, he was a rookie GÇö first account ever and enlisted as a hauler by people who wanted to move the stuff under protection of the GÇ£don't shoot rookiesGÇ¥ law, and now the GMs (who didn't agree with you because they could check it out and see that he was a legitimate rookie) nuked my account.
This is why I'm saying what I'm saying: we must be able to shoot rookies, because my obvious is not your obvious is not the GMs obvious, and testing by shooting and seeing if it results in a ban is not a workable solution. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Greg Valanti
Looney Clones
51
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:03:00 -
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Chandaris wrote:Dakeen.. Protection only applies in the rookie +9 and +1.0 systems afaik..
If a rookie wanders into lowsec, he is fair game.. There is a big friendly warning to that effect that he gets.. Inability to read ain't my problem.
They also get a big friendly warning before taking from someone else's wreck or can, but that has yet to prevent anything. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:03:00 -
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Mrr Woodcock wrote:Tippia, could you please explain to me when a rookie would be hauling 25 Billion of anything Hmm. Don't you think that would make him kinda not a rookie????
You missed the point.
Some people have alts, those alts aren't "rookies" even if they're a day old. Someone can have an alt, under a month old, that they made to haul some stuff for their main living in a rookie system. Why is that guy off limits because they not over X amount of days old, even though they just came from a .6 system and hauling lots of valuable goods for a 6 year old main?
Stupid forum 404! |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
821
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:05:00 -
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Interestingly before I started playing EVE I had read the forums for a few months along with the entire wiki and a few fan sites. I probably knew more about EVE than some 1 years olds do now.
The problem: with the way rules are now, a rookie could grief the PvPers in Arnon (grief as in the bannable offence) by continually taking their cans and they can't do anything about it. |
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
504
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:10:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Mrr Woodcock wrote:Tippia, could you please explain to me when a rookie would be hauling 25 Billion of anything Hmm. Don't you think that would make him kinda not a rookie???? You missed the point. Some people have alts, those alts aren't "rookies" even if they're a day old. Someone can have an alt, under a month old, that they made to haul some stuff for their main living in a rookie system. Why is that guy off limits because they not over X amount of days old, even though they just came from a .6 system and hauling lots of valuable goods for a 6 year old main? Stupid forum 404!
I think that is the point that both sides are trying to make but they are looking at it from different angles and neither wants to be wrong on the internet forum. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:14:00 -
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Greg Valanti, there are all kinds of opportunities for new players to do combat and Piracy. Join factional warfare for the fights. Heck if you do well enough on the beginner missions, you do actually get an invite to move to pirate factional systems. In the world of eve, you have to work at being good at something. Nothing comes easy. I've actually spent a fair amount of time doing what I'm beginning to call old school piracy. I actually did really well ISK wise, had a guy in a freighter eject from his ship when he thought he was going to die. We actually got the ship, and every single thing that was in it. Still have the freighter to this day. I did all my piracy in low sec. Home of the pirates. Head out there, make a few friends, you'll be camping gates before you know it.
I get it, your both newer players, you wanted to play pirate, the other guy didn't. He was still a new player. Is is so damned hard to just respect that? |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:15:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Mrr Woodcock wrote:Tippia, could you please explain to me when a rookie would be hauling 25 Billion of anything Hmm. Don't you think that would make him kinda not a rookie???? You missed the point. Some people have alts, those alts aren't "rookies" even if they're a day old. Someone can have an alt, under a month old, that they made to haul some stuff for their main living in a rookie system. Why is that guy off limits because they not over X amount of days old, even though they just came from a .6 system and hauling lots of valuable goods for a 6 year old main? Stupid forum 404! I think that is the point that both sides are trying to make but they are looking at it from different angles and neither wants to be wrong on the internet forum.
Yeah, I've noticed some people want to be able to shoot rookies. Doesn't make sense to me, rookies should be protected; just not this way.
I'll just keep repeating this because I honestly have nothing better to do with my life.
CCP needs to code in a new account timer that prevents hostile action for a set amount of time. Only the new account can remove that timer with their own actions. They shouldn't be protected in one system, they should be protected in hi sec over a specific threshold for duration of time. Not every rookie is going to spend their first 2 or 3 weeks in a rookie system.
This rule only creats a safe zone, helping people who stay in that zone, but doesn't actually help rookies overall. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1887
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:19:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Tippia wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:None of this would be an issue if people weren't pathetic enough to go shoot at rookies in the first place. GǪexcept that you have to be able to do so, otherwise it would create such a ridiculously huge and abusable loophole to hide stuff behind. Please explain, in detail, how you believe this is the case.
You can fit a lot of Avatar BPOs in an Ibis. If you can't shoot rookies (based on either Character or Account age), no hauler would need Orca alts for high value cargo, they'd just use young accounts/toons.
So the question remains. Of the population that inhabits rookie systems, what separates "Rookie" form "not-Rookie."
Is someone mining in a Hulk a Rookie? A Retriever?
It's like the heap of sand problem. We are clear that a grain of sand is not a heap, and a billion grains is a heap, we're clear that 2 grains is still not a heap and a billion minus one is still a heap. At some point, there is a grain of sand which makes the sand a heap; figuring out which grain is very hard though. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1887
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:20:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:
CCP needs to code in a new account timer that prevents hostile action for a set amount of time. Only the new account can remove that timer with their own actions. They shouldn't be protected in one system, they should be protected in hi sec over a specific threshold for duration of time. Not every rookie is going to spend their first 2 or 3 weeks in a rookie system.
Cool, perfect safety for my High Value-Low volume hauls of Officer Gear, Titan and T2 BPOs. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Aethlyn
EVE University Ivy League
130
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:21:00 -
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Come on, people, just apply common sense. Do you really have to rely on trying to grief (or gank or whatever) players in those few 1.0 systems that are designated as newbie starting areas? Don't even try to get people there; problem solved.
Also, why should someone carry PLEX around a newbie system? Wait till he leaves it, shoot him down.
Just think back of your first few days in Eve. Where did you hang out, what did you do? Just think back and don't do things you wouldn't have liked to see and you should be pretty much save. Looking for more thoughts? Read [url]http://aethlyn.blogspot.com/[/url] or follow me on [url]http://twitter.com/Aethlyn[/url]. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:22:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:
CCP needs to code in a new account timer that prevents hostile action for a set amount of time. Only the new account can remove that timer with their own actions. They shouldn't be protected in one system, they should be protected in hi sec over a specific threshold for duration of time. Not every rookie is going to spend their first 2 or 3 weeks in a rookie system.
Cool, perfect safety for my High Value-Low volume hauls of Officer Gear, Titan and T2 BPOs. It's not though.
Even an act like storing X amount of isk worth of goods in an ibus can remove a timer. |
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:24:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn, ya know I'm not going to imply that CCP needs to code anything. With the up coming Dust release, and just gobbs of other issues, I actually think there plate is pretty full. Especially when a little simple real life etiquette would do just fine in this situation.
OK Just a simple question. Who in here thinks a 2 week old player hauling 25 Billion isk worth of anything in a T1 industrial would be a rookie? Could I see hands please. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
504
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:25:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Tippia wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:None of this would be an issue if people weren't pathetic enough to go shoot at rookies in the first place. GǪexcept that you have to be able to do so, otherwise it would create such a ridiculously huge and abusable loophole to hide stuff behind. Please explain, in detail, how you believe this is the case. You can fit a lot of Avatar BPOs in an Ibis. If you can't shoot rookies (based on either Character or Account age), no hauler would need Orca alts for high value cargo, they'd just use young accounts/toons. So the question remains. Of the population that inhabits rookie systems, what separates "Rookie" form "not-Rookie." Is someone mining in a Hulk a Rookie? A Retriever? It's like the heap of sand problem. We are clear that a grain of sand is not a heap, and a billion grains is a heap, we're clear that 2 grains is still not a heap and a billion minus one is still a heap. At some point, there is a grain of sand which makes the sand a heap; figuring out which grain is very hard though.
Many of us have really gone over the rookie hauling tons of goods scenario. Now I'll attempt to ask the question that got erased earlier. The main situation that brought up this thread and its twin yesterday was about a guy going into a rookies epic arc mission that was in a system that was not designated starter. So I ask, why does a person have to scan down a rookies mission, fly into it, steal from his can, and pop him? Is he carrying Avatar BPO's in his hold as well? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
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Mrr Woodcock wrote:.... Tippia, just think about what your saying there would ya. I can figure out he's not a rookie, CCP I'm certain can figure this out. What about you. I wouldn't be so sure.
As it stands you get a warning when shooting someone who is older than you, in a better and more skill intensive ship than you, in a rookie system if the older character is considered a rookie (meaning the one doing the shooting woudl be a rookie too). And in Arnon, a "rookie" can grab from PvPers cans all they want and if they get shot, they can just get someone banned. Its the ultimate griefing, and CCP encourages it. |
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