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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.02.27 15:31:00 -
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Seems like a leaner solution to getting customer feedback than the CSM.
Anybody with an account can vote up any or all issues they want.
It seems like something that would counter the effect of loud voices vs. number of supporters.
The discussion of a particular issue could be in a single thread linked from the issue
Probably lead to quicker highlighting of FotM problems as well.
What do you guys think?
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Sharessa
Humpin' Ho's of Hoboken
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:03:00 -
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No.
K?
Thx.
Bye.
_______________________________________ ** Humpin' in a system near you soon ** |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/02/2009 16:06:16
Majority decisions are a very bad idea because the majority will leave once they have made the game boring enough.
Its like girls trying to change their boyfriends. When the boyfriend has changed enough, he is no longer interesting. He is not the guy she got attracted to anymore.
Everybody thinks they know what they want until they get it. Then they want something else.
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Seems like a leaner solution to getting customer feedback than the CSM.
Get out, nameless player
(let me get in first, and I shall press the issue)
Yes, my name is Pompous. Yes, this has been designed for maximum deliberate effect. Sweet disclaimer eh |
Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/02/2009 16:06:16
Majority decisions are a very bad idea because the majority will leave once they have made the game boring enough.
Its like girls trying to change their boyfriends. When the boyfriend has changed enough, he is no longer interesting. He is not the guy she got attracted to anymore.
Everybody thinks they know what they want until they get it. Then they want something else.
There's no one saying that CCP has to implement anything the community votes highest. After all, all voting systems have flaws.
But look at the iphone site. The top votes there all seem like very reasonable requests.
A majority system does have a remarkable ability to weed out most of the absurd requests right away.
Besides, the bulk of current EVE subscribers aren't your average MMO player, so they likely won't be voting things up that make EVE like other MMOs.
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Seems like a leaner solution to getting customer feedback than the CSM.
Get out, nameless player
(let me get in first, and I shall press the issue)
I'm only nameless because CCP renamed this character. It was originally a marginally profane German sentence.
As if being a "named" player should lend more weight anyway. We're all equal customers to CCP.
But thanks for the bump in an otherwise useless post.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 We're all equal customers to CCP.
There's your first mistake sir
Yes, my name is Pompous. Yes, this has been designed for maximum deliberate effect. Sweet disclaimer eh |
Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:26:00 -
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No - the most popular ideas and the best ideas are rarely the same. I do not want this game diluted by pandering to the lowest-common-denomiator-approved ideas. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Pompous
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 We're all equal customers to CCP.
There's your first mistake sir
ridiculously wealthy absent rebuild sounding
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri No - the most popular ideas and the best ideas are rarely the same. I do not want this game diluted by pandering to the lowest-common-denomiator-approved ideas.
So?
CCP still acts as the filter on all ideas.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:31:00 -
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It's a bad idea. Go troll the wow forums or somthin.
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass It's a bad idea. Go troll the wow forums or somthin.
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that one...
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:35:00 -
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Dissagree all you like. It just backs why popular opinion means nothing.
Besides what you think means nothing. It's what ccp thinks that's important. I don't think you've convinced them so far.
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Dissagree all you like. It just backs why popular opinion means nothing.
Besides what you think means nothing. It's what ccp thinks that's important. I don't think you've convinced them so far.
Thanks for the bump!
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:47:00 -
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Lots of somthing doesn't make that somthing any more valuable. In fact quite the opposite usually.
Lots of posts in a thread don't make you right.
Yer just trolling now. Give it up.
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Lots of somthing doesn't make that somthing any more valuable. In fact quite the opposite usually.
Lots of posts in a thread don't make you right.
Yer just trolling now. Give it up.
Of course not.
But you seem to think that if an issue gets voted to the top it's unquestionably implemented.
That is hardly the case given that CCP will preserve what they think the spirit of EVE is no matter what any number of customers say.
CCP in the past, has, and likely will again, make decisions that benefit the majority at the expense of the minority. Linux support was an extremely resourse intensive endeavor that only benefited a tiny minority of people. So they dropped it.
Thus, working on what will help the most people is typically the best way to go about it, and such a site as I propose is simply a way of letting that majority be seen. They're under no obligation whatsoever to implement even the top issue. Thus it can do no harm.
I'm simply responding to trolls that provide free bumps in kind, and only bother with a real post when someone else does.
What are you doing?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/02/2009 17:45:34
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/02/2009 16:06:16
Majority decisions are a very bad idea because the majority will leave once they have made the game boring enough.
Its like girls trying to change their boyfriends. When the boyfriend has changed enough, he is no longer interesting. He is not the guy she got attracted to anymore.
Everybody thinks they know what they want until they get it. Then they want something else.
There's no one saying that CCP has to implement anything the community votes highest. After all, all voting systems have flaws.
But look at the iphone site. The top votes there all seem like very reasonable requests.
There is a big difference between voting for features in a phone and a game. When it comes to a phone, everybody wants more features. Nobody will say "no I dont want cut & paste because I dont use it". It doesnt matter to them.
On the other hand, voting for features in Eve is another ballgame. If the top vote is to make the game Warp to 15 again, the people who dont want that will still be affected by it, perhaps so much that they dont even want to play the game anymore. Or if the top vote is to split the universe into shards to improve performance, everybody who really loves the single universe idea will suffer hard.
I think voting could work for stuff that are extras. For example, new GUI color themes or stuff like that, as long as people dont have to use it. It must never be used for input on game balance or stuff like that.
Too bad the mods moved this thread to the black hole known as Ideas, it seemed like a interesting thread. Now it will get very little attention.
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.02.27 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Caldari Citizen4714 on 27/02/2009 19:14:33
Originally by: Jim McGregor There is a big difference between voting for features in a phone and a game.
Who says they have to be features?
Originally by: Jim McGregor When it comes to a phone, everybody wants more features. Nobody will say "no I dont want cut & paste because I dont use it". It doesnt matter to them.
Actually, quite a lot of people spoke out numerous times against the skill queue to give one example. So this is an untrue statement.
Originally by: Jim McGregor On the other hand, voting for features in Eve is another ballgame. If the top vote is to make the game Warp to 15 again, the people who dont want that will still be affected by it, perhaps so much that they dont even want to play the game anymore.
Do you honestly think most players in eve would vote for reverting to warp to 15? I don't. But neither of us really know, do we? But such a site would disclose the truth.
Originally by: Jim McGregor Or if the top vote is to split the universe into shards to improve performance, everybody who really loves the single universe idea will suffer hard.
Again, I think that is extremely unlikely. It's one of the most unique things about it, I figure the majority would vastly vote in favor of not sharding. But again, and even more importantly, CCP simply wouldn't do it. So it's irrelevant. Once again, we learn what people really want, and nothing bad happens to the game.
So what? I don't care if you oppose a particular thing, if an overwhelming majority wants it, they should get it. This goes for my own opinions as well.
Originally by: Jim McGregor I think voting could work for stuff that are extras.
Why just extras? What if everybody voted up some new feature not yet conceive of that is so awesome everybody likes it and draws 10k new players who hate WoW and its ways? It might be out there.
Originally by: Jim McGregor For example, new GUI color themes or stuff like that, as long as people dont have to use it.
Then vote in that it be made optional.
Originally by: Jim McGregor It must never be used for input on game balance or stuff like that.
Since most game balance things are points of contention anyway I seriously doubt any game balance issues would make it to the top in terms of broad popularity. Things like fixing bugs will get almost unanimous support whereas controversial issues will get far less, and thus won't matter much.
Originally by: Jim McGregor Too bad the mods moved this thread to the black hole known as Ideas, it seemed like a interesting thread. Now it will get very little attention.
I agree. It's not really a new feature of the game, but rather something that could potentially have enormous positive impact on the game. Now it's in the forum where ideas go to die.
edit: corrected a quote mishap
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.03.01 12:45:00 -
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The idea is called Argumentum Ad Populum. Read more at Wikipedia
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.03.01 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/02/2009 16:06:16
Majority decisions are a very bad idea because the majority will leave once they have made the game boring enough.
Its like girls trying to change their boyfriends. When the boyfriend has changed enough, he is no longer interesting. He is not the guy she got attracted to anymore.
Everybody thinks they know what they want until they get it. Then they want something else.
At last, someone that talks some sense for once on this god forsaken forum.
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.03.03 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 27/02/2009 16:06:16
Majority decisions are a very bad idea because the majority will leave once they have made the game boring enough.
Its like girls trying to change their boyfriends. When the boyfriend has changed enough, he is no longer interesting. He is not the guy she got attracted to anymore.
Everybody thinks they know what they want until they get it. Then they want something else.
At last, someone that talks some sense for once on this god forsaken forum.
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More accurately, people are always trying to improve their situation.
People with less than a million dollars to their name strive for millions.
People with millions strive for billions.
People with billions strive for trillions.
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.03.04 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
Originally by: Jim McGregor Majority decisions are a very bad idea because the majority will leave once they have made the game boring enough.
Its like girls trying to change their boyfriends. When the boyfriend has changed enough, he is no longer interesting. He is not the guy she got attracted to anymore.
Everybody thinks they know what they want until they get it. Then they want something else.
There's no one saying that CCP has to implement anything the community votes highest. After all, all voting systems have flaws.
But look at the iphone site. The top votes there all seem like very reasonable requests.
There is a big difference between voting for features in a phone and a game. When it comes to a phone, everybody wants more features. Nobody will say "no I dont want cut & paste because I dont use it". It doesnt matter to them.
On the other hand, voting for features in Eve is another ballgame. If the top vote is to make the game Warp to 15 again, the people who dont want that will still be affected by it, perhaps so much that they dont even want to play the game anymore. Or if the top vote is to split the universe into shards to improve performance, everybody who really loves the single universe idea will suffer hard.
I think voting could work for stuff that are extras. For example, new GUI color themes or stuff like that, as long as people dont have to use it. It must never be used for input on game balance or stuff like that.
Too bad the mods moved this thread to the black hole known as Ideas, it seemed like a interesting thread. Now it will get very little attention.
Also, did I mention that EVE already has such a system? The difference is the one for the iPhone isn't a kludge sitting on top of a forum. It's designed to aggregate votes and merge issues that are the same while keeping a record of doing so automatically..
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