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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:10:00 -
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Shouldn't this be the expansion to finally fix the default autopilot setting "Prefer shorter -- ignore security status"?
My current 81762 build is patched from a new client install, no older settings to contaminate it. And the autopilot default, after all these years, is still "Prefer shorter -- ignore security status."
It's always funny when an established pilot loses an AFK indy full of gear in .4 on autopilot after a new expansion. That this setting gets reset (either directly or when a player has to clear his cache to make an install work) at patch time is High Lore, and so the inevitable losses by those who forget are just good fun -- for those of us who've been around the barn a time or two.
But this is supposed to be the new-player friendly expansion. Box sales, big promotion, new NPE, Epic Mission Arc for new players -- amid all of that, wouldn't it make sense to finally change this default? ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
Cadde
Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:18:00 -
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You know that new players get a warning before entering low sec. If they turn that off they are to blame.
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:19:00 -
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There is no warning when you are on autopilot. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:21:00 -
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The new 10-part tutorial missions have a section about autopilot, near the end, where it mentions safer/shorter settings.
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shirley Serious The new 10-part tutorial missions have a section about autopilot, near the end, where it mentions safer/shorter settings.
Ah, that's good to hear. But -- and without denying my inbuilt tendency to snort and laugh at gamers who come to grief in EVE because they didn't bother with the tutorials -- we all know that a huge proportion of new players aren't going to make it all the way through those tutorials.
I get that a lot of EVE players love how newbie-unfriendly the game is, and I'm not trying to change those minds. This suggestion is really aimed at the devs, who have made it clear that they're trying to make the game a bit more welcoming to the new customers.
You can hate that fact, but it's still a fact and indeed it's a policy I favor; happy newbs mean more players who stay. And a newbie whose autopilot took him into insta-pirate-hell-death before he even knew that there was such a place? Not happy. And more to the point, when he learns what went wrong, his reaction is anger at the game client. "What sort of #%&!* programmer sets the default to 'route me through hell-death'?" It's a fair question. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
Cadde
Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Marlenus There is no warning when you are on autopilot.
Then they should change that alongside your proposed change.
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Myra2007
Shafrak Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:48:00 -
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I got killed in lowsec due to autopilot on my 2nd day or so. Didn't put me off but made me think. I started to get hooked to the game and be hungry to kill stuff.
You can protect new players all you want (and i am not saying that specific change is bad per se) but eventually things aren't going to go their way. At that point imo they will be even unhappier to get killed and wonder why eve looked so fluffy and forgiving in their noob days. Why oh why did no one prepare them for whats coming along anyway?
Also i find your point about how people decide to ignore the tutorial and then still should be protected from their own mistakes a bit strange. Should they also be protected from scamming/can baiting/flipping/wardecs etc.? If the didn't do the tutorial they are gonna be susceptible to this too. And let's face it thats probably getting more noobs killed the the autopilot. Where to draw the line? I personally like it where it is now but thats just my 2 cents. --
Originally by: kublai on Ankhesentapemkah That said, the "i'm a girl who plays your computer game and i'm not that ugly" has always been a certain winner in the mmo world
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:54:00 -
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It all boils down to this. Does it make sense for the autopilot to default the way it does?
I don't think that it does.
New players getting angry because the EVE universe is a harsh place? That's inevitable, and funny. New players getting angry because the client default doesn't make any sense, and got them killed? That's not so funny, nor is it consistent with the game design changes coming in Apocrypha.
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Cadde
Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:57:00 -
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BTW, i didn't do the tutorial. I read the forums, did my own investigation. Learned the tricks from those who actually play the game and not some "press the button to open your cargohold" bore.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2009.02.27 18:09:00 -
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I support this change.
To give a real world example:
Imagine you put an address into your GPS. It takes you through the fastest possible route, which happens to mean driving right through the middle of London/New York/Local place with ****ty traffic. You immediately get totally disoriented by the lack of sign posting and the agreesivness of the local drivers who know their way around. Wouldn't that suck? Wouldn't it make sense for the default GPS setting be to take you a longer but more sensible route unless you tell it not to?
Until you KNOW that you want to go the low sec route, you shouldn't be directed into it without you thinking.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.02.27 18:41:00 -
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It's just not logical for the initial AP setting to allow for low sec routes, especially so when the AP will not stop before entering low sec. Never was, never will be.
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Aya Sin
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Posted - 2009.02.27 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Marlenus we all know that a huge proportion of new players aren't going to make it all the way through those tutorials.
Normally I'd also like this setting to be changed. I know a good number of newbies who lost their ships because of this (often despite my warning to change the AP setting) :)
On the other hand, if the tutorial really includes the autopilot then I'm more than happy to see those that ignore it blow up in lowsec. Might be a good learning experience. In the help channels, nothing is more annoying than a newbie who didn't do the tutorial (fine) and keeps bugging people about stuff the tutorial would have explained (not fine: lazy).
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.27 20:37:00 -
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That's a good point. I'm sympathetic to all the arguments that getting blown up in lowsec makes for a good learning experience; I just don't think it outweighs the extent to which a non-intuitive (one could even argue "obviously wrong") default setting leads to a worse new player experience.
And, since this is the expansion where the new player experience is getting a radical upgrade, it seemed like the time to mention it (again) to the powers that be. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.27 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cadde BTW, i didn't do the tutorial. I read the forums, did my own investigation. Learned the tricks from those who actually play the game and not some "press the button to open your cargohold" bore.
I've read all the forums, other sites & such... learned alot... but... guess what? I did a tutorial. And I did it at least 4 times, on 2 different accounts, every time I've heard that something has been changed in tutorial. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
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