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Mrr Woodcock Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.04.25 19:35:00 - [1] - Quote Ok yesterday I posted some thoughts on the direction of CCPGGVs marketing endeavor concerning Eve Online. ItGGVs genuine intent was to stimulate there creative juces in regards to marketing, it apparently struck a nerve, and CCP promptly banned the thread. First thing I would like to say, is IGGVm not looking for any handouts from CCP, as I seriously do not need them, nor want them. What my goal is, is to stimulate the CCP guys to think outside of the box, and to keep this game interesting for us all. With that said, my personal opinion is there should be a feature length motion picture in the works. I personally believe this could greatly increase CCPGGVs subscriptions, in both the short and long term. If this is not in the works, they should certainly consider it. Simple as that. Knowing what I know about the movie industry, I would be surprised if there arenGGVt many producers that wouldnGGVt pounce on this openly, create it, and pay serious royalties to CCP to have the opportunity to do it, and be part of it. I highly recommend they do this. It would be an interesting endeavor to most of us. In regards to my Christmas comment, I celebrate Christmas, please feel free to celebrate what ever you choose to celebrate, or not, in reality I hold no real judgments. I ask respectfully to not be judged for celebrating as I do. My comment to CCP, is simple. If your going to gives us some new stuff? I would like to encourage CCP to think out side of the box. Just think what a really cool new one of a kind super combat cruiser would have on your clientele. Or anything that could temporarily throw a twist into the game, that no one is ready for. Like I said, the goal here, is to keep it interesting. You know I have always thought it would be interesting to have a rat drop something totally over the top. A new car, all expenses paid, first class to fan fest. Something extraordinary. The PR impact of this would be priceless. I understand, this sort of thing might not be CCPGGVs thing. But just imagine the possibilities. Just take a second and think about it. Personally IGGVm a little disappointed in the whole DUST thing. I think these land based mercGGVs, should have to be moved from planet to planet, by us the ship owners. Just my thoughts. Also I was hoping you would consider expanding the combat to the stations at some point. So we can actually invade a station to get to someone were after. This is genuine feed back, not ranting and raving. I also, as many of my fellow players, donGGVt really understand the whole walking in station thing, if were not able to have guns and shoot someone in the station. IGGVm interested to know actual comments on these things. Honestly though, IGGVm really interested in hearing from people that find some of the things IGGVve mentioned interesting, and your thoughtGGVs on it. Last thing, my English sucks, I know it. Please forgive the typos. I actually am the president of a medium size company. I have one secretary, and (3) assistants, all of which can spell, and have excellent English skills. They actually do edit all my formal documents and publications. LetGGVs just say I choose not to get them involved in my Eve online post. Like I said, please forgive the typos.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3515	Posted - 2012.04.25 19:37:00 - [2] - Quote For someone who's not after free stuff you sure did ask for a lot of free stuff. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-ahttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 719	Posted - 2012.04.25 19:41:00 - [3] - Quote Not sure if trolling, but here goes: A feature length film would be costly, and risky, to produce. Video game to film conversions rarely end in success. Providing real world prizes for loot drops breaks immersion, and is gimmicky in the extreme. It likely would result in little to no net gain in subscriber base, and would almost certainly be interpreted as an act of desperation by the gaming press. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-a-a-MXZF
Mrr Woodcock Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.04.25 19:44:00 - [4] - Quote I honestly don't fell the same way, I see your point on the drop, don't agree, but understand. But the movie industry would actually take this and run with it, i'm certain. CCP has nothing but royalties to gain here. Just my thoughts.
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 720	Posted - 2012.04.25 19:50:00 - [5] - Quote Mrr Woodcock wrote: I honestly don't fell the same way, I see your point on the drop, don't agree, but understand. But the movie industry would actually take this and run with it, i'm certain. CCP has nothing but royalties to gain here. Just my thoughts. I'm sure Uwe Boll would probably be overjoyed at the concept of making a crappy b-movie out of Eve Online, whether or not this would be good for Eve Online is the point I would question. Game to film conversions rarely end well, they rarely make a lot of money and often have low production values and instead trade purely on the games reputation to turn a net profit. And Eve doesn't even have that large of a reputation, very few studios would be willing to invest large amounts on such a risky venture and CCP simply lack the expertise to do it themselves. CCP make games, not films. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-a-a-MXZF
Mrr Woodcock Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.04.25 19:55:00 - [6] - Quote I disagree. First off, it can't be a "B" Movie. It needs to be the real deal. AAAA. Secondly CCP wouldn't be funding it. That's a studio's job. CCP just needs to solicit it, they in fact will come, fund, and produce. CCP just needs to retain creative approval, that's a must. As to CCP themselves, they do beautiful CGI. I've seen it, it's as good as any.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 1945	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:01:00 - [7] - Quote Mrr Woodcock wrote: You know I have always thought it would be interesting to have a rat drop something totally over the top. A new car, all expenses paid, first class to fan fest. Something extraordinary. The PR impact of this would be priceless. I understand, this sort of thing might not be CCPGGVs thing. But just imagine the possibilities. Just take a second and think about it. You know its inevitable that the player who got the golden "free rl car" angel drop ticket would get suicide ganked on the gate into rens and the loot wouldn't drop right? The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting!
Mrr Woodcock Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:03:00 - [8] - Quote Well it is Eve, LOL
Ai Shun 741	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:06:00 - [9] - Quote Mrr Woodcock wrote: Personally IGGVm a little disappointed in the whole DUST thing. I think these land based mercGGVs, should have to be moved from planet to planet, by us the ship owners. Just my thoughts. And what happens to the DUST mercs when there is nobody willing to pick up the courier contract? Should they just sit and wait? Dunno man, I can't say I like any of your ideas except for a movie. But they so rarely turn out well (The latest Conan abomination that was done with Funcom, or Wing Commander or ... just about all of them anyone?) that it could do more harm than good. It is not an IP that has the same widespread appeal as some that have been translated to movies. EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 3518	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:08:00 - [10] - Quote Mrr Woodcock wrote: I disagree. First off, it can't be a "B" Movie. It needs to be the real deal. AAAA. Secondly CCP wouldn't be funding it. That's a studio's job. CCP just needs to solicit it, they in fact will come, fund, and produce. CCP just needs to retain creative approval, that's a must. As to CCP themselves, they do beautiful CGI. I've seen it, it's as good as any. I think I speak for almost all of the EVE playerbase and also sane people when I say that CCP would be better advised spending the 50 or 60 million dollars this would take on improving EVE (which gets them ~$15 per month per subscriber) than making a film which would net them maybe $2-3 per person who went to see it. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-ahttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Mrr Woodcock Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:12:00 - [11] - Quote Well, if they couldn't be friend a corp or alliance, they would always have the option to opening a new Eve account. There's that phrase, "New Eve Account". Yea, it's a given, a Movie would in fact have to be first class! Else it most certainly would have a negative impact on things for sure.
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 721	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:23:00 - [12] - Quote Mrr Woodcock wrote: Well, if they couldn't be friend a corp or alliance, they would always have the option to opening a new Eve account. There's that phrase, "New Eve Account". Yea, it's a given, a Movie would in fact have to be first class! Else it most certainly would have a negative impact on things for sure. OK listen carefully, CCP doesn't pay for the Movie! Movie Studios will either take it on, or not. My guess is they'll jump at this. CCP gets money from the studio, doesn't pay money too the studio. The only way CCP may actually fund something, is if they choose to provide the CGI content. But honestly they probably wouldn't even need to do that. And they'd end up with a ** film, taken on by a ** studio (Uwe Boll) that would seriously harm their image and reputation for probably minimal financial gain and substantial effort. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-a-a-MXZF
TWHC Assistant 2	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:26:00 - [13] - Quote People booted CQ and WiS out the door and by the use of their wallets. At the same time is CCP trying to get a new game starting, which will face a lot of competition in the market in which it is trying to set a foot in. CCP should take the whole WiS stuff and pack it into DUST514. Why this? When some are not willing to pay for WiS in EVE then they should not get it. On the other hand is DUST514 in need of every bit of the support it can get. Do not let DUST514 become yet another shooter. Let DUST514 players own all NPC stations and shall this be our gift to them for joining our universe. DUST514 will have more diversity than a regular shooter and gets a better chance of becoming a success. Even from a game development point of view does it make more sense, because of the elements WiS and DUST514 can share. And the best part could be that those players who want to play EVE Online and DUST514 could get a price reduction when they subscribe for both games. It could be a win-win for all. I have no need to get out of my pod and crawl around in some space ruins. Instead, I would love to hire a team of DUST514 players to do this for me. This is my opinion.
Micheal Dietrich Standards and Practices 337	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:26:00 - [14] - Quote Mrr Woodcock wrote: I disagree. First off, it can't be a "B" Movie. It needs to be the real deal. AAAA. Secondly CCP wouldn't be funding it. That's a studio's job. CCP just needs to solicit it, they in fact will come, fund, and produce. CCP just needs to retain creative approval, that's a must. As to CCP themselves, they do beautiful CGI. I've seen it, it's as good as any. This goes to show that you know Jack all about movie production let alone what you are even talking about. Do you have any clue what a movie costs to make these days? Wall-E 180,000,000.00 The Incredibles 92,000,000.00 Cars 2 - 200,000,000.00 Who's going to pay for that? Well you say the studio. NO, they don't. Studio's make the product, investors invest in it. Or did you not notice that all of the transformers are Chevy's, or that they focused on Will Smith's Vans in irobot, or that people in 5th element really liked McDonalds. Did you not notice that these same companies also have commercials with movie themes? And the solicitation isn't true by any means either. Agents and producers are bombardment every day with sure fire and ground breaking scripts by both hacks and legitimate entities, and less than a percent of all those make it through. Rule #1 in life: Nothing is guaranteed. And just because you make a movie about something, doesn't mean it will attract new customers. If that were the case then STO should been murdering the gaming industry along with star wars. Next, enough with the Christmas present crap. First of all that version of Christmas deals with the ghost of commercialism present. Gimme gimme gimme, I want I want I want. For the record CCP has given us quite a bit. For starters, did you know our expansions are free? Oh yeah, games like World of Warcraft and Guild wars charge you for each expansion. And we receive many in games items. In fact I still have a Jovian shuttle from years ago. And the free car ****, all expense paid trips, again with the commercialism. Where the hell is all this money coming from? Do they have a chamber at CCP headquarters that has a vault door and piles of gold that the employees swim around in? Oh it will bring in more customers. Will it? Do you rush out and join every single contest giveaway that you see? I certainly don't. Kind of like playing the lottery, the taxing of the stupid. Please, please, please, stop asking for the handouts. CCP doesn't owe you any more than they have given so far, which has been about a decade of awesome gaming. You want a free car, go steal one like the rest of us. Want a free trip, go look for somebody who is giving one away. Just stop begging for it here. They have better things to do than pamper your spoiled bastard child ass.
Mrr Woodcock Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:34:00 - [15] - Quote Wow, What's with this hand out prospective, LOL. Gawd do I really sound like I'm looking for handouts. Seriously this is not my purpose. PS, I do own a small beach house in Malibu, My real life neighbor actually is Harrison Ford, Yes he has actually played EVE.
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 721	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:39:00 - [16] - Quote Mrr Woodcock wrote: Wow, What's with this hand out prospective, LOL. Gawd do I really sound like I'm looking for handouts. Seriously this is not my purpose. PS, I do own a small beach house in Malibu, My real life neighbor actually is Harrison Ford, Yes he has actually played EVE. You know CCP ran a commercial on the SiFi Cable channel about 3 years or so ago. Actually a pretty cool commercial. Was the Commercial a hand out? I don't care about your real life, only the terrible ideas you post on the forums. Also, my girl friend is Halle Berry, she is Miss Spank. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-a-a-MXZF
Micheal Dietrich Standards and Practices 338	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:41:00 - [17] - Quote If you say it on the internet, it must be true.
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 273	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:44:00 - [18] - Quote Mrr Woodcock wrote: o own a small beach house in Malibu, My real life neighbor actually is Harrison Ford, Yes he has actually played EVE. Watch me as i wag my **** around because I own things and happen to be in proximity to people you may know.
Sigurd Sig Hansen Hedion University Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:47:00 - [19] - Quote In answer to the title: http://youtu.be/YILKa2bmfVw GET UP YOURE ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL GET UP YOURE ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL GET UP YOURE ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Mrr Woodcock Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:53:00 - [20] - Quote Micheal, I just don't know where this handout thing is coming from, I'm not looking for any handouts. You sound like you totally dislike all my ideas, I respect that, don't agree, Did you like the Eve Commercial on the SciFi Channel?

Micheal Dietrich Standards and Practices 340	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:57:00 - [21] - Quote I don't have sci-fi/cable, I use netflix which is commercial free or Hulu if Netflix doesn't have it. No sense in paying $90 for 600 channels of **** I don't want to watch anyways.
Sigurd Sig Hansen Hedion University Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2012.04.25 20:58:00 - [22] - Quote Mrr Woodcock wrote: Micheal, I just don't know where this handout thing is coming from, I'm not looking for any handouts. You sound like you totally dislike all my ideas, I respect that, don't agree, Did you like the Eve Commercial on the SciFi Channel? I would also be interested in just how many additional subscriptions, that simple commercial netted for CCP. Wouldn't you? The WiS one? Yeah they likely lost them once they realized there was no WiS other than a closet. Should have been "come out of the captain's closet and play EVE" Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Ai Shun 741	Posted - 2012.04.25 21:02:00 - [23] - Quote Mrr Woodcock wrote: PS, I do own a small beach house in Malibu, My real life neighbor actually is Harrison Ford, Yes he has actually played EVE. So lean over the fence, chat to him and see if you can organise a movie together; then push it to CCP. You already have the contacts, so show some initiative and you may even make some money off it. EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here
Mrr Woodcock Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.04.25 21:04:00 - [24] - Quote I'm sure you can find a rendition on U-tube maybe. You ever hear of something called a Loss Lead? Car dealerships do it all the time. They advertise one or two vehicles for below cost, to get people on the lots. Yes they loose money on 2 cars, but the make money on 100 cars form all the traffic it generates. It's called advertising, and marketing. Look go to U-tube, look at how many times people have watched the home made movie, called Clear Skys. Kind of an eve U-tube mini movie. I think you'll be impressed by the numbers of views.
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 721	Posted - 2012.04.25 21:09:00 - [25] - Quote Mrr Woodcock wrote: I'm sure you can find a rendition on U-tube maybe. You ever hear of something called a Loss Lead? Car dealerships do it all the time. They advertise one or two vehicles for below cost, to get people on the lots. Yes they loose money on 2 cars, but the make money on 100 cars form all the traffic it generates. It's called advertising, and marketing. Look go to U-tube, look at how many times people have watched the home made movie, called Clear Skys. Kind of an eve U-tube mini movie. I think you'll be impressed by the numbers of views. We've all seen clear skies, doesn't mean I'd pay to see a feature length film. And a feature length film is one hell of a loss leader, I think the common terminology for that kind of marketing strategy is "******* stupid". "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-a-a-MXZF
Mrr Woodcock Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.04.25 21:12:00 - [26] - Quote There you go with that judgment again. Really you wouldn't pay for a movie ticket to see the eve movie. lol I'm sorry I don't believe you, unless your living at an underpass. lol
TWHC Assistant 3	Posted - 2012.04.25 21:15:00 - [27] - Quote I'd like to see a film with crew of Serenity (Firefly) joining up with Clear Skies.
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 721	Posted - 2012.04.25 21:20:00 - [28] - Quote Mrr Woodcock wrote: There you go with that judgment again. Really you wouldn't pay for a movie ticket to see the eve movie. lol I'm sorry I don't believe you, unless your living at an underpass. lol I didn't say I wouldn't pirate it. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-a-a-MXZF
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1667	Posted - 2012.04.25 21:30:00 - [29] - Quote Personally I think that for CCP the best bang for their buck would be to produce a series of short, animated (using the same tech they use to create their trailers) online episodes or movies. The tools already exist, as does the necessary expertise. All that remains is a place (at a properly high resolution) to view them on the EVE is REAL site, a formal release on YouTube, and proper advertising. Comparatively dirt cheap, able to use our Avatars tech for the people, and we already know they can choreograph some amazing action scenes. This would do more to put the EVE Universe in the eyes of the general public than anything done to date, with the possible exception of the DUST release. Combining keen wit with a ruthless plot and amazing special effects is a recipie for success, and if done as a series of shorts would build a great deal of anticipation for the next episode... which in turn leads to a desire to check out the source material. From that point, if the following becomes large enough, perhaps an actual film done in the same fashion could be in the cards. Stranger things have happened. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Mrr Woodcock Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.04.25 21:38:00 - [30] - Quote I like it, you know, one of my favorite movies was Serinity, I use to watch the series, Hated to see it end.


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