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Mark Androcius
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:39:00 -
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Ok, this SHOULD probably go under ships&modules or features&ideas, but i think it deserves a little more attention.
Why o why is there a Small Tractor Beam with a range of 20km, a level 2 version with ONLY 4 km's more and then a simply STAGGERING jump to Capital Tractor Beam, with a range of 200km?
Why is there no 50km or 100km tractor beam in the game?
I have a small one on my BS, which i use to drag cans ( for mission related item drops ) and to loot ships, without needing to slowboat my way towards them, but seeing as i take out most of my targets before they get anywhere near me ( 50km away from me on average ), i STILL have to slowboat for ages. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Imperial Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:44:00 -
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Buy a Noctis. |
Jonah Gravenstein
183
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:45:00 -
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Buy a Noctis, train the ship skill to a minimum of 3, hey presto 55+km tractor beam range with a speed boost to boot. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:48:00 -
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Those extra 4km really add up when you have a Noctis. +1 in local |
Mark Androcius
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:51:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Buy a Noctis.
Don't know if you run any lvl4 security mission, but that would mean: warp to location. Slowboat to acceleration gate. Gank targets. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. Gank targets. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. Gank targets. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. Gank targets. use acceleration gate.
Warp to station to get noctis. Slowboat to acceleration gate. target wrecks. move wrecks in. salvage and loot. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. target wrecks. move wrecks in. salvage and loot. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. target wrecks. move wrecks in. salvage and loot. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. target wrecks. move wrecks in. salvage and loot. use acceleration gate.
Warp to station to dump loot and salvaged parts. get battleship out. Warp to the system of your agent. Complete mission.
All that shyte, while all i wanted, was to gank for the bounty and the mission income ( LP and ISK ) and loot a couple of the bigger ships. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:54:00 -
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Bookmark a wreck in each room.. turn in mission.. then warp to bookmarks.
Also if you've never used a Noctis, you simply have no idea how fast it cleans up.. I can't lock targets fast enough to keep up with my tractors and salvagers.. |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:55:00 -
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There's a quicker way,
1: take level 4 mission 2: kill everything in sight and complete mission, bookmark a wreck in each room before returning to agent 3: dock in the agents station, complete mission 4: swap to noctis 5: change system if needed 6: warp to your bookmarks and clean up your mess 7: goto 1
I can usually do a level 4, clean up my trash and be back onto the next mission in between 10 and 40 minutes depending on the mission, that's using a Drake of all things because I can't be arsed to train for battleships yet (I have 2 other chars to train on this account)
Don't forget the salvage, some of it is worthless but some of it in quantity really rakes in the isk
edit beaten to it by poster above War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:55:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:Buy a Noctis. Don't know if you run any lvl4 security mission, but that would mean: warp to location. Slowboat to acceleration gate. Gank targets. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. Gank targets. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. Gank targets. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. Gank targets. use acceleration gate. Warp to station to get noctis. Slowboat to acceleration gate. target wrecks. move wrecks in. salvage and loot. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. target wrecks. move wrecks in. salvage and loot. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. target wrecks. move wrecks in. salvage and loot. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. target wrecks. move wrecks in. salvage and loot. use acceleration gate. Warp to station to dump loot and salvaged parts. get battleship out. Warp to the system of your agent. Complete mission. All that shyte, while all i wanted, was to gank for the bounty and the mission income ( LP and ISK ) and loot a couple of the bigger ships. Edit: I do have a Noctis though. Buy a marauder.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:58:00 -
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A: Do mission, come back with noctis B: make a friend and have them salvage behind you or hire them to be your friend. C: Dual box and do both at once D: Marauder E: Normal ship with tractor beam and HTFU
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Mark Androcius
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:59:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:There's a quicker way,
1: take level 4 mission 2: kill everything in sight and complete mission, bookmark a wreck in each room before returning to agent 3: dock in the agents station, complete mission 4: swap to noctis 5: change system if needed 6: warp to your bookmarks and clean up your mess 7: goto 1
edit beaten to it by poster above
Trouble is though, as long as you have the mission running ( not completed at agent yet ), you can't warp to the wrecks directly. And i was talking about the loot you often need to complete a mission ( like 10x militia or something ) If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
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D3F4ULT
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:59:00 -
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Buy another monitor. Buy another account. Buy Noctis. ??? Profit. Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |
Mark Androcius
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:02:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Buy a marauder.
Holy shinto, now i have to scratch myself on the back of my head and wonder, why have i never checked those specs out before?
Awesome tip, thanks, i think i'll look into it. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:04:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:
Trouble is though, as long as you have the mission running ( not completed at agent yet ), you can't warp to the wrecks directly. And i was talking about the loot you often need to complete a mission ( like 10x militia or something )
In that case I normally set course for where the completion loot is while killing everything else, often things like militia are in personnel carriers or the last thing you kill so select either the personnel carrier, spawn container or what you are going to kill last of all as a point to head towards.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:35:00 -
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lol hilarious.
Noctis ... buh, humbug.
Run the mission and bookmark every room. Close the mission when done.
If wrecks are spread far apart, warp to 100 to first bookmark. If the closest wreck is >150km, bookmark the new spot. Warp to wreck, salvage and loot. Do the same for all surrounding, close by, wrecks.
Warp back to the new spot bookmark, warp to the next wrecks.
Etc. for the next room. No slowboating, no relying on tractor ranges.
<3 salvaging 4k cargo hurricane. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Imperial Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:40:00 -
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As other people have pointed out... if you can't clean up a L4 mission with a Noctis quite easily then "You're doing it wrong" |
Kairos Antilles
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:40:00 -
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Noctis alt flying a room behind fixes all the shuffling back and forth. |
Cavel Avada
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2012.04.25 20:45:00 -
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Noctis ftw. I love that thing. And if you don't like slow-boating, you can fit a MWD on the noctis. Mine does 1km/s. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:34:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:
Why is there no 50km or 100km tractor beam in the game?
There is. It's called a Noctis with fully trained skills and a T2 tractor.
Capital tractor beams are for - capital ships. You are comparing apples and oranges.
Edit: reading your other posts this sounds more like "waaa I wanna kill everything and be able to loot everything but I don't want to bother training for another ship, getting organized, or spending actual time doing it. Please deposit lootz directly in my station hangar CCP". |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:41:00 -
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Or use the Orca for a bonus to tractor range as well.
Who 'slow boats' in a level 4? Fit an AB or a MWD. Who 'slow boats' in a Noctis? Fit a WMD. I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:42:00 -
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New tactor beam |
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:42:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:Who 'slow boats' in a Noctis? Fit a WMD.
Unintentional Typo? or do you fit a smartbomb for ninjas? War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:49:00 -
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mind. blown. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.04.25 21:55:00 -
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My tractor ones hit at 52K. Why don't YOURS? Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:44:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:Buy a Noctis. Don't know if you run any lvl4 security mission, but that would mean: warp to location. Slowboat to acceleration gate. Gank targets. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. Gank targets. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. Gank targets. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. Gank targets. use acceleration gate. Warp to station to get noctis. Slowboat to acceleration gate. target wrecks. move wrecks in. salvage and loot. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. target wrecks. move wrecks in. salvage and loot. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. target wrecks. move wrecks in. salvage and loot. use acceleration gate. Slowboat to next acceleration gate. target wrecks. move wrecks in. salvage and loot. use acceleration gate. Warp to station to dump loot and salvaged parts. get battleship out. Warp to the system of your agent. Complete mission.
It's fun if you've got OCD up the wazoo. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:52:00 -
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A 20% improvement of T2 over T1 is typical.
CCP may at one time expected to add medium and large tractors to fill out the list. Now, maybe "small tractor beam" should just be renamed "tractor beam". http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:56:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:
Trouble is though, as long as you have the mission running ( not completed at agent yet ), you can't warp to the wrecks directly. And i was talking about the loot you often need to complete a mission ( like 10x militia or something )
Just grab the mission payload when you are in your mission ship, go turn in the mission, get the rest of the loot with the noctis, warping directly to the bookmarks. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Kurai Okala
Okala Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:08:00 -
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Maybe I'm doing it wrong but I've got a MWD fitted to my lvl 4 mission ship and it gets me around pretty quick once the NPCs are gone. I don't use this method to salvage though (just to get to mission objectives quicker) |
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