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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul
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Posted - 2009.03.03 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I quite like CAOD, it often has information that hasn't made it onto scrapheap gbbs yet, but obviously you have to read both if you want to have a clue as to the more significant events taking place.
Sure it could probably benefit from more quality goon posts and less pointless spam ones, but those weren't really that big a problem until Jade started blatantly trolling and flaming them in every thread, poking the beehive as it were.
Bitterdog calling for removing this forum entirely is pretty ******ed, stop reading it and posting on it if that's what you think, your posts are almost always crap anyway.
You seem to mention Jade in every second post...
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Bane Glorious
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.03 19:23:00 -
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tupac ain't dead |
Max Mekker
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.03 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 03/03/2009 13:08:41
in the distant future, millions of lightyears from earth, i honestly doubt the Amarrian empress would choose a selection of choice 4chan memes to address the galaxy's assembled pilots.
Liar, I was there when she gave her groundbreaking "I herd u lik mudkipz!!" speech. It was the Amarrian Gettysburg Address.
Seriously though, I don't see the big deal. Propaganda and smack talk is always going to be part of this. Always has. Always will. Most of the people on here who seem most upset by it are the ones doing it the most. I have no personal feelings about Goon one way or the other, but I can understand why they have ramped up the smack talk on CAOD. They have gotten what they always wanted. Give it some time and they will move on about something else. You realize that you only make it worse when you feed the troll, right? No one forces you to click on links. The Mods will clear posts that are inappropriate. But otherwise, you need to moderate yourself. If there is a thread you dont like, report it. Or dont read it. Police yourself. Don't post on their threads. Don't make yourself a target. Ignore them.
In essence... use the current Kenny tactics.
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De Guantanamo
Gallente Red White and Screwed Aesir Armada
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Posted - 2009.03.03 19:25:00 -
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Bump for a totally win thread.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.03 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Avernus You seem to mention Jade in every second post...
The subject is CAOD being terrible isn't it ? He's the worst offender (in my opinion) by far and his trolling the direct cause of a great deal of the rest.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.03 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ishbuanium
The point is that you seem to want CAOD to be a certain way but you don't seem to know how to go about doing it. YOU, yes YOU, need to create posts with, wait for it, ACTUAL CONTENT, rather than this sort of petition type stuff to ask for more moderation.
Problem is of course, what if people go and do just that and see their threads mindlessly spammed and derailed and just decide "why bother?" (which is precisely what has happened.) Not everyone who plays this game wants to be posting in an environment where every other reponse is a meme from SA or personal attack. To my mind its not so much asking for more moderation as asking for the moderation to honour the forum description at least. 0.0 conflicts account for a relatively small proportion of the server population - why should other organizations, corporations and alliances be effectively barred from making a contribution because of the current atmosphere and lack of effective sanctions against junk and abusive posting?
Quote: ... And that's the simple reason most people wont take the request seriously. Because, if all of the goonie posts were moderated and none of the topics were posted, there wouldn't be a bloody CAOD.
I tend to believe otherwise. Go have a look at SHC - there are other fights going on in eve than this delve thing. But people have given up posting about them on CAOD because of the constant spam. When the spam is controlled and moderation applied then other people begin to post again. Basically you need some rules of public order to encourage open debate and community involvement.
Quote: You say you want CAOD to return to the time back when it was good, but, assuming there even was a time like that, you fail to actually do anything to help promote it. Look at this, you create this petition sort of thread and people ARE responding with intelligent posts.
Well its easy enough to check back through the forum history and see what people are talking about when they say this - but the reality is that in the past smaller organizations used to be able to post on CAOD about their announcements and conflicts without being mindlessly spammed and flamed. These days that isn't possible and people vote with the feet and opt not to bother. Thats damaged the political diversity of the forum and made it immeasurably less interesting to read.
Quote: Hell, you actually have to do something and not just wait on the mods to clean everything up. Try to make some battle reports and such, because it appears you have people to talk about them and comment on them in the way you want.
Point is people have done that in the past and have been flamed and ridiculed for their conflicts and battle reports "not being important enough" and they've decided as a result that CAOD is not for them. Thats why the actual posting population of CAOD is less diverse now that it was in 2004 even though the maximum online population has gone up from 6000 to 50000. Don't take my word for it ...
Pick a random number from 1-500 and take a look at CAOD from the past by substituting the page number into this link
This page (for complete random example) has:
1. Different posters for each topic on the front page.
2. Small, medium and large organizations posting.
3. Discussions on territory, piracy, espionage, politics
4. Battle reports
5. Corps looking for alliances
6. Business offers and deal negotions.
Hell, its not perfect and sure there is some smack talk there but its mixed in with actual interest content and a real sense of the living universe of Eve's player let politics.
What really really makes the current CAOD look terrible in comparison though is diversity.
At the moment CAOD just looks like a giant game of Red vs Blue or something. There are 2 power blocks and absolutely nothing else.
ISSUE - Bring back space bushido |
Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.03 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine At the moment CAOD just looks like a giant game of Red vs Blue or something. There are 2 power blocks and absolutely nothing else.
There are two power blocs because a third would not be tolerated by either side. It's the nature of the (human) beast.
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Totally Slick
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.03 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Totally Slick on 03/03/2009 20:31:24 If you care about posting in CAOD and you stop posting in CAOD because of flames then I don't know what to say.
Just look at Jade. He's a nobody yet he still posts. He doesn't have any content in his posts but that doesn't stop him from posting anyway. |
Max Mekker
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.03 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Max Mekker on 03/03/2009 20:37:44
Originally by: Jade Constantine Problem is of course, what if people go and do just that and see their threads mindlessly spammed and derailed and just decide "why bother?" (which is precisely what has happened.) Not everyone who plays this game wants to be posting in an environment where every other reponse is a meme from SA or personal attack.
Why, hello der, Mr. Pot. Meet Mr. Kettle.
Originally by: Jade Constantine Point is people have done that in the past and have been flamed and ridiculed for their conflicts and battle reports "not being important enough" and they've decided as a result that CAOD is not for them. Thats why the actual posting population of CAOD is less diverse now that it was in 2004 even though the maximum online population has gone up from 6000 to 50000. Don't take my word for it ...
Ok, honestly. I don't know if you got the memo, but the internet is populated by 12 year olds. Put on your big boy pants and suck it up. You are going to get mocked and ridiculed. Goons are mocked as well. They just dont seem to care. So dont care back. Ignore them. If you click on a link and its started by GS, just click back. If you are so sensitive that you get offended by what some faceless person on the internet says about you, your alliance, your corp or your battle report, then maybe you shouldnt be allowed on here.
I am the first one to say I get annoyed with their meme's and forum spam. But I ignore the stuff thats not relevant. And unless you sold your character in the last few days Jade, you are the last person that should be asking for better quality in posts on CAOD. You are more an example of the problem than you are the solution.
EDIT: And basically what you are saying is Goons have spammed CAOD so much that they have either 1) Put CAOD into reinforced or 2) Scared corps so much that they dont want to post.
In essence.... winning CAOD...
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Palmer Eldritch
Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.03 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Problem is of course, what if people go and do just that and see their threads mindlessly spammed and derailed and just decide "why bother?" (which is precisely what has happened.) Not everyone who plays this game wants to be posting in an environment where every other reponse is a meme from SA or personal attack.
Except for the SA bit, this is all you've done on these boards.
------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point |
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.03 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/03/2009 20:54:22
Originally by: Max Mekker EDIT: And basically what you are saying is Goons have spammed CAOD so much that they have either 1) Put CAOD into reinforced or 2) Scared corps so much that they dont want to post.
In essence.... winning CAOD...
The problem is they've done this by harrassing players and damaging usability of the forums - not through any in-game action. And thats not acceptable behaviour from anyone. CAOD needs diversity to be worthwhile. In its current state it is precisely worthless. Choices are - a) take steps to promote diversity and punish harrassment of players or b) delete CAOD because at the moment its a negative selling point to the game of Eve Online.
When it gets to the point that anyone who actually wants to know about "political conflicts to battle reports, news, and corporation press releases û this is the in-character political center for all things corporate." - the forum description
Doesn't read this forum but goes to Scrapheap Challenge where the war and politics forum is properly moderated and respected by the posters ...
You know you have a serious problem.
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Max Mekker
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.03 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
The problem is I've done this by harrassing players and damaging usability of the forums - not through any in-game action. And thats not acceptable behaviour from anyone. CAOD needs diversity to be worthwhile. In its current state it is precisely worthless. Choices are - a) take steps to promote diversity and punish harrassment of players or b) delete CAOD because at the moment its a negative selling point to the game of Eve Online.
I fixed that for you
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Ivo D
Minmatar 0utbreak KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.03.03 21:07:00 -
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no i don't read
tbh didn't even bother reading the OP, just the title
also : hi mom ! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Wachtmeister ([email protected]) |
Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.03 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
The problem is they've done this by harrassing players and damaging usability of the forums - not through any in-game action
Complains that the forums are filled with personal attacks
Launchers personal attack at the so called perpetrators
leans back.
P.S. I think there are quite a few things we've done in game that have changed COAD. Maybe you would like to hear about them again? Its everything you've ever tried to do, except successful.
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul
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Posted - 2009.03.03 22:26:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=3521&page=486
Actually just looked at that page. Must have been pretty hard to find, but yeah... that's a good example of a 'nicer' CAOD.
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Montasque
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.03 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine blah blah blah blah
Your ideas will never be implemented since your ideas are dumb. This forum is fine and all the people whining are doing so because they have hurt feelings one way or another.
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Max Mekker
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.03 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
The problem is I've done this by harrassing players and damaging usability of the forums - not through any in-game action. And thats not acceptable behaviour from anyone. CAOD needs diversity to be worthwhile. In its current state it is precisely worthless. Choices are - a) take steps to promote diversity and punish harrassment of players or b) delete CAOD because at the moment its a negative selling point to the game of Eve Online.
Fixed it for you
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Berious
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.03 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine delete CAOD because at the moment its a negative selling point to the game of Eve Online. ...
Doesn't read this forum but goes to Scrapheap Challenge where the war and politics forum is properly moderated and respected by the posters ...
Taking his ball and going home isn't enough for Jade, he wants the whole pitch dug up. If Scrapheap is already your ideal forum go post there exclusively, no one is stopping you.
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Scruffy Jed
Gallente Rho Holding Corp GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.03 23:19:00 -
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Who is this Jade Constantine dude?
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General Windypops
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.03 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Scruffy Jed Who is this Jade Constantine dude?
Put it this way. I hardly need to post anymore as Jade's getting under your skin as well as I ever could.
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Dog Solitude
Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.03.03 23:47:00 -
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This thread was a pretty enjoyable read actually.
Goons have definitely brought content to the game though I could do without the hate mongering (and lots of other groups do this as well!).
I'd like to think that, despite certain poasters in all alliances, it doesn't indicate that everyone in that group feels the same way.
Also, I enjoy the meme "poast" and goons brought that in here. For this, I am thankful. \o/
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.04 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops words
I didn't read that, but I have to chuckle that you alt posters have had to change corp to carry on **** posting Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
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General Windypops
Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.04 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: General Windypops on 04/03/2009 00:06:11
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: General Windypops words
I didn't read that, but I have to chuckle that you alt posters have had to change corp to carry on **** posting
Actually I haven't posted for months Flinx. I've just come back to the game. And if you think I'm an alt you're much mistaken. Shame you chose to flame, as many of your posts are decent.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.04 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Avernus http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=3521&page=486
Actually just looked at that page. Must have been pretty hard to find, but yeah... that's a good example of a 'nicer' CAOD.
Verily, because on the Previous page...
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine: Posted - 2004.12.17 18:52:00
Reading the last few threads that seemed to have locked because of characters with neither corp nor alliance affiliation posting flamebait and general troublemaking rumours I wonder if the solution to a better forum atmosphere might be to allow users to select in their account preferences whether they want to see posts from alts at all?
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I must say that I think the high levels of alt-sniping on the forums do damage the politics of the game, and they make it something of a random insult competition more than actual discussion. I enjoy reading posts from well-known personalities and alliance/independent figures and it makes me use an unhappy face when all the good threads are locked.
Boosh. Of course, even if that isn't Jades alt(it probably is), we still have good ol Jade, attacking others for bad forum behavior(post 38)
And the one before that where half of the threads are closed by moderators but one particular post might give some insight into Jades reasons for being so virulent all of a sudden. It was a long time ago, but "Star Fraction never forgets". (Frankly they have been long time allies, and the old CAOD is just the record of that)
Then again two pages after its filled with 10 threads all declaring someone else responsible for the end of Curse Alliance. None of that really compares to the glory that is eve search which brings us gems such as this one. I like the part were Jade calls a guy an idiot.
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul
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Posted - 2009.03.04 03:01:00 -
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Tbh... I can't see myself using Jade as an example of good posting. Then again, I can't really see using myself as an example of good posting, I've attacked plenty of people on this forum at one time or another. Come to think of it, I am seriously overdue to be trolled by Nez Perces, where the hell did my stalker go?
There are and always will be particular personalities that will either strike us as being asshats, or just plain idiots in need of a smack upside the head. At this point, I've basically forgone posting on CAOD because of the lack of diverse content... I rather miss smacking people who need it.
Yep, this section has been dominated by Goons, it's been dominated by BoB. Whatever, all the same to me for the most part. With a bit of criticism, I'd say I prefer the BoB stuff just because it tended to be more diverse in approach. Neither group is a reason to really come here unless you have immediate and direct relations, or you've been labelled a pet on that particular day and feel a need to throw in some words on your own behalf.
Almost feels like there should be a forum section for power blocs... that is what this forum is.
I consider my corp, and my small alliance to be small fish. There is no place for us here, nor for the many other alliances and corps that don't care to post in a dominated forum. I don't really feel like registering at SHC, and I'm not one who see's some insidious plot to regain the CAOD forum in the name of some bitter fart illuminati old Eve gamers club.
There are several hundred alliances. There are thousands of corporations that have hit significant levels of achievement within Eve. I hardly know a thing about any of them because nobody will discuss a topic that doesn't fall into the accepted parameters anymore. This forum shouldn't subsist on the mearly epic.
meh.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.04 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops Shame you chose to flame, as many of your posts are decent.
That is a disguised troll.
I was mistaking you for your alter ego Wingypops, my bad Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
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hammyhamm
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.04 04:21:00 -
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It is with great regret that I acknowledge that we goons have exploited COAD for too long. I send my sincerest apologies to all readers, and hope we can come to a comprimise in our long futures ahead of us.
Lots of love, hammyhamm x0x0x
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Ishbuanium
Gallente Pr0j3ct M4yh3m
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Posted - 2009.03.04 06:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ishbuanium on 04/03/2009 06:04:38
Originally by: Jade Constantine Your Post Quoting and Picking Apart My Post
Firstly, just quoting like this for space.
Secondly, you missed the point entirely. The OP here didn't go "Why Bother," he actually set out to keep the thread on topic. And would you look at that? Nine pages and it's still on topic. Granted, its not a typical thread by any means, but still, keeping a thread on topic can be done. All one has to do is avoid commenting in a manner that will lead the thread off topic. If you see an off topic post don't rise to the bait, keep your ego in check, and try to IGNORE IT. It works, it seems, since the thread for the most part has ignored the "BoB Alt Tears are Delicious" stuff.
The point is again that all one has to do is actually put effort into creating posts with actual content, creating actual battle reports, and such. If you want your forum changed, take action, not whine to moderation. The OP here seems to be able to keep this thread on topic, and everyone here seems to have been able to. The question is would it work when taking it to a battle report type thread? Try it, seriously.
As to my own views, this forum actually does provide battle reports, just not in the way you want them. Goons, MM, PL, ZAF, TCF, KIA, and all of them ARE telling you how things are going. The fact that they aren't putting it in the format that you want isn't really something you can complain about. Want more content? Create it! Want more battle reports? Go stir up a fight and write one yourself or possibly even try to zip around Delve in a covops if you feel like Goons aren't giving you the reports you want. All it comes down to is the fact that, like I said, you actually have to put effort into everything rather than just simply ask for more moderation.
Edit: I too find the goon memes and such pretty funny. Like I said, CAOD is my daily dose of lulz
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128th ABC123
Caldari Eve Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.03.04 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ishbuanium Edited by: Ishbuanium on 04/03/2009 06:04:38 Like I said, CAOD is my daily dose of lulz
Thats fine, then they should make a "Lulz" forum section so you can post in it all day. This is not what the corporation and alliance discussion forum was meant for.
The issue is NOT goons, not BOB, the issue is the quality of this forum and the fact CCP does little at all to moderate it.
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NereSky
Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.04 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: 128th ABC123
Originally by: Ishbuanium Edited by: Ishbuanium on 04/03/2009 06:04:38 Like I said, CAOD is my daily dose of lulz
Thats fine, then they should make a "Lulz" forum section so you can post in it all day. This is not what the corporation and alliance discussion forum was meant for.
The issue is NOT goons, not BOB, the issue is the quality of this forum and the fact CCP does little at all to moderate it.
A tad unfair on CCP tbh as i believe they are doing quite a lot and reading reams of posts and either moderating each 1 must be a pain :( however there is always room for improvement which im sure CCP will agree with,
But until a revamp of the rules and maybe a whole revamp of CAOD happens (which will possibly take a while as they will need to sit down to work out something amicable that would possible find middle ground for most types of posting) there isnt much the mods can do except trawl through post after post,
Albeit we as players can help by reporting posts that are against the rules or the spirit of the game and that will bring those posts/threads to their attention a tad quicker
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