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Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: NereSky and if if any member of that entity is banned then the whole of the entity is banned perma or temporary it doesnt matter
Have fun getting banned due to Seth Quantix's posting (because it's terrible (like yours)).
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Kosh Ohura
Caldari Deutsche Raumfahrt Union Die Asteroiden Pluenderer
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: NereSky and if if any member of that entity is banned then the whole of the entity is banned perma or temporary it doesnt matter
Have fun getting banned due to Seth Quantix's posting (because it's terrible (like yours)).
Well you have to admit- there are some members of goonswarm who would immediately autoban themselfes at SA would they actually post there :)
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Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:30:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Kosh Ohura
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: NereSky and if if any member of that entity is banned then the whole of the entity is banned perma or temporary it doesnt matter
Have fun getting banned due to Seth Quantix's posting (because it's terrible (like yours)).
Well you have to admit- there are some members of goonswarm who would immediately autoban themselfes at SA would they actually post there :)
We are as bad at posting as we are at flying internet spaceships.
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Stormlord Battleforce Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Warrio I love COAD as it is now. If I had to listen to one more Bobbit bang on about some **** battle report or some crappy corp inform everyone of their pointless little scrap involving 2 carriers I'd probably stab myself.
We are supposed to view this as a bad thing?
Statistics, battle reports and proper content are what we're looking for here, not threads on the lines of
'So I'm offering to buy a thanatos for 800M in PR-. Discuss'
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Yarik Mendel
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:46:00 -
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I only come to CAOD to read goon posts, because if you read in between the childish jokes, you will see the content that most other entities don't provide.
What do you want? There is nothing to report, and mostly nothing anyone cares about. Avarice could never do anything anyone would ever care to read on CAOD.
Goons post the best content, you just have to learn to read them with an open mind.
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128th ABC123
Caldari Eve Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:48:00 -
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Well CCP has done some things to improve the moderation on this forum, but still not enough. If you simply look at the influx of new players on Eve and compare that with the ammount of moderators on this forum, there is not a really equal increase.
Maybe a moderator can point some of us who are actually interested in improving this forum to a place where we can actually discuss moderation with CCP? Please don't say through the petition system because we all know we will get some automaticly generated response back.
At the moment this forum is ****e and no more than some random ****s and giggles. If there is a need for a forum like that create a "****s and giggles" forum section.
But I still think there is a need for section of the forum where we can discuss corp/alliance issues with good moderation and no (alot less) trolls.
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Dark Motoko
Caldari Stormlord Battleforce Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: 128th ABC123 Well CCP has done some things to improve the moderation on this forum, but still not enough. If you simply look at the influx of new players on Eve and compare that with the ammount of moderators on this forum, there is not a really equal increase.
Maybe a moderator can point some of us who are actually interested in improving this forum to a place where we can actually discuss moderation with CCP? Please don't say through the petition system because we all know we will get some automaticly generated response back.
At the moment this forum is ****e and no more than some random ****s and giggles. If there is a need for a forum like that create a "****s and giggles" forum section.
But I still think there is a need for section of the forum where we can discuss corp/alliance issues with good moderation and no (alot less) trolls.
Agreed. It mostly seems like Navigator and Mitnal are on own most of the time, and a lot of stuff that needs moderation often gets through their net.
But seriously, the biggest change needed is the use of Delete rather than the Lock tool. It deals with the issue and clears the place up for the rest of the discussion.
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Kosh Ohura
Caldari Deutsche Raumfahrt Union Die Asteroiden Pluenderer
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Motoko
Originally by: Warrio I love COAD as it is now. If I had to listen to one more Bobbit bang on about some **** battle report or some crappy corp inform everyone of their pointless little scrap involving 2 carriers I'd probably stab myself.
We are supposed to view this as a bad thing?
Statistics, battle reports and proper content are what we're looking for here, not threads on the lines of
'So I'm offering to buy a thanatos for 800M in PR-. Discuss'
Does this look any different: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=3521&page=357
6 Threads about bob on that page, most of it is spam.
Every alliance that does something interesting or big is bound to spawn these threads- either by its own members or by the community. Goon threads will decrease when the interesting times are over, and people who for some reason want to get their information out of CAOD threads will be able to do so again.
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Mynas Atoch
Caldari UK Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Steelrattty
Originally by: 011011100110100101100111 Alt post removed. Navigator
BoB didnt use a director spy to disband ASCN.
And BOB don't currently have a spy in your corp flying a covops.
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Dianeces
Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Originally by: Steelrattty
Originally by: 011011100110100101100111 Alt post removed. Navigator
BoB didnt use a director spy to disband ASCN.
And BOB don't currently have a spy in your corp flying a covops.
Hi Ane....Mynas.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:16:00 -
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The OP is correct of course. CAOD has been a problem forum for a quite a while now and I get the feeling that even CCP don't really know what to do with it. We all know the reasons too. Back in the golden time of Eve politics circa 2003-5 the leaders and executives of eve corporations (and then alliances) would take their CAOD posting rights seriously - they were trying to maintain a reputation and style. To a degree, roleplayers or not - everybody was suspending disbelief and playing Eve politics as if it was some great space opera with clashing ideologies and intentions and it was pretty damn good. Evidence of this can still be found - just click the page from CAOD with the earliest topics and take a trip down memory lane.
Whats gone wrong can be described as corruption by an alien culture really. Anyone claiming that BoB/Molle/Whoever was just as bad as the Goons/Pandemic are now really doesn't remember too well. Sure Molle used to post as some kind of tyrannical space lunatic with his eyes on dominating all 0.0 space and his officers had a sneering superior-than-though mystique and all that - but they were Eve characters, it fitted the genre.
But since early last year things have gotten very bad with CAOD. The well-intentioned and implemented no-alt posting and report functionality is effectively powerless against the obvious alt-posting alliances and pure volume of abusive spam produced by the goonswarm. I mean just look at some of the threads - you have so many goon characters marked with a "!" you have to believe they have been producing new identities just to insult people with.
Then of course there is the personal abuse and bullying with overt breach of forum rules. The op mentions my own experience with goons harassing threads with constant reference to my age, sexuality, real name, pictures, alleged marital status, career etc etc etc. Hell, last night we had the goon CSM delegate swearing and shouting, calling me a "poofter" and saying that he'd have beaten me up in iceland if his wife hadn't stopped him
Not exactly great behaviour from an elected player representative for Eve really is it?
And of course this isn't new. Back to last year again while I was contesting the first CSM campaign the goons ran a program of harassment against me where they hosted a website registered in my character name, took my CV from personal webspace and mailed an allegation that I was actually working as an "internet prostitute" to three of my previous clients in the weeks before the election result.
And of course the ironic thing is that those same goons are still referencing and routinely linking to exactly the same material night after night (now) with the tacit and overt encouragement of their CSM delegate Darius JOHNSON.
Now I'm lucky. I'm self-employed, I come from a professional community that is quite internet savvy and knows a fair bit about gaming and generation-x angst and has read about goons before. My business contacts laugh off this stuff but seriously. I could see that some players would actually be significantly harmed by this kind of behaviour - it's absolutely not acceptable.
I (as a player) want to use CAOD to post about in-game politics. I want to post in-character about other players posting as their characters. I want the discussions here to be about what happens in game. I want to be discussing with people who have an obligation and interest to best represent their corporation and alliance identities and above all - I want such discussions to be about the game of Eve Online - not about the latest personal accusations googled-up from people bent over with hatred and angst.
This forum CAOD is described by CCP as:
Quote: From political conflicts to battle reports, news, and corporation press releases û this is the in-character political center for all things corporate.
It's not described as "anything goes hate, swearing persecution, spam, harassment and personal insults"
ISSUE - Bring back space bushido |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/03/2009 14:16:55
Ultimately CCP do need to take steps here and they need to be fairly draconian ones to address the pure scale of the problem.
1. They could simply remove the forum. (easy, direct, runs the danger of goons and friends spamming other forum categories.)
2. They could get extremely harsh on moderation again. (might seem like a good idea but I've seen where this leads - give a 5000 member entity the power to petition over posters into a permaban and don't be surprised when everyone gets banned bar the ones who care enough to spam the moderators with fake complaints.)
Or, let's try something new:
How about CAOD becomes a forum where a corporation or alliance needs to request posting rights from the moderation team rather than having them automatically. This would prevent the alt posting alliances immediately since the moderators could use a little human judgement in assessing the suitability of CAOD posting organizations.
And at the same time, let's have collective posting bans on the organizational level. If too many Goon posters are spamming threads lets have the moderators able to give the goonswarm a temp 48 hour posting ban for it. This would encourage the alliance leaders of Goonswarm (or anyone else) to enforce better posting standards on their membership.
Ultimately I'd like to see CAOD posting to be controlled from an in game role assignment (perhaps a PR function) and the leaders of alliances/corporations could treat it as a privilege to be earned not as a right to be misused.
The combination of application/needed to post on CAOD / collective temp bans would control the current situation in my opinion and return CAOD to a more reasonable and constructive environment to discuss space politics.
And it would also present a far better selling point and storefront for CCP to showcase the beautiful political game of the single server environment.
ISSUE - Bring back space bushido |
Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: 128th ABC123
At the moment this forum is ****e and no more than some random ****s and giggles.
The forums will always be a useless circlejerk because they have absolutely no effect on the significant events happening in game.
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Putabagonmyhead
Caldari THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:20:00 -
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i read the coad and i take it very serious.
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Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:22:00 -
[75]
Hello Jade Constantine you're just in time to illustrate my point:
Originally by: Snowden Vel The forums will always be a useless circlejerk because they have absolutely no effect on the significant events happening in game.
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Cippalippus Primus
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:22:00 -
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Mommy, daddy, if I turn into Jade Constantine when I grow up, put me down. -clp
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Berious
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:26:00 -
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Jade preferred it when his space buddies were top dog and would **** up any threads with impunity, there's a shock.
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128th ABC123
Caldari Eve Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:29:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: 128th ABC123
At the moment this forum is ****e and no more than some random ****s and giggles.
The forums will always be a useless circlejerk because they have absolutely no effect on the significant events happening in game.
You are either terribly stupid or simply trolling me.
This forum has a HUGE impact on the happenings in game.
BoB & Goons have done nothing else but abuse this forum for this purpose.
People's perception of the entities in game are shaped, an alliance that looks bad on the forums might actually miss out on good member corporations/allies etc, just to give you an example.
Furthermore, your comment is mute anyhow. It does not matter whether the discussions on this forum actually influence the events ingame.
This forum is meant to discuss these events (not necessarily influence them) and this is currently not possible with the ammount of ****posting going on.
Ps. At least try to respond with more than 1 line of text. Your type of posting is exactly what this forum has devolved to.
"the more I put in my post the more they can troll me, I should keep it short and bitter so I am not vulnerable"
Grow up.
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NereSky
Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:30:00 -
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A very good and well written post Jade some very good points raised
Either way CCP go's CAOD needs cleaning and moderating to prevent the threads/post that are just intended for trolling
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Phelaen
Amarr Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Phelaen on 02/03/2009 14:30:44
Originally by: Monti Reagan
Originally by: Prontifex Send me 500m and I will disband THE INTERNET.
If I thought this was true for a second, I'm sure you could easily raise much more than 500m.
As for the gentleman who mentioned Band of Brothers (now known as KenZoku), if memory serves me correctly BoB never engaged in forum trolling or harassment as heavily as Goons have--indeed, this element of Goons is a celebrated and prevalent aspect of their culture. However, this is not an attack on Goons or THE INTERNET. It's a call for a return to a more understandable and less cluttered forum where 0.0 politics can be put on the table for the general populace to see.
Goons are great ****posters. As are THE INTERNET. unfortunately, their idea of enjoyable game content somewhat interferes with what I believe most non-THE INTERNET/Goons look for in CAOD. ****posting is hilarious and great in small doses, but there has to be some substance to it...Otherwise it is garbage. The element of comedy that some of the events take on in this game is what makes it worth reading, however that comedy is lost when something strives only to be funny or entertaining and not substantial.
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quoted because the man has a point!! BoB and ASCN never went this far overboard with posting their propaganda.. on CAOD it seems half the posts are goons or THE INTERNET and have no substantial info at all.
also if they do and some makes a valid point against them they just flame that person till he stops.. which i am sure they will do with you monti and maybe even me for saying you are right. but i dont care much for the opinions of fools so let em
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Berious
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Phelaen
quoted because the man has a point!! BoB and ASCN never went this far overboard with posting their propaganda..
Yeah it's not like CCP changed the freaking CAOD rules because BoB went overboard with the ASCN propaganda or anything.
You people have short memories.
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Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Berious Jade preferred it when his space buddies were top dog and would **** up any threads with impunity, there's a shock.
Jade will continue to **** up threads with impunity because as he so ably demonstrates, the ability to vomit walls of text is completely unrelated to in game events and no matter how much he runs from fleet warfare, no matter how completely impotent he and his little RP clubhouse is when it comes to actual combat, these forums have no bearing on what happens in EVE.
Likewise, the fact that goons would probably post rem****.jpg in here every day if we could has done nothing to inhibit our nearly complete annihilation of RKZ's 0.0 infrastructure.
This post is worthless, all posts are worthless, in summary: ****s ****s ****s
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Stahlregen
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: 128th ABC123
This forum has a HUGE impact on the happenings in game.
BoB & Goons have done nothing else but abuse this forum for this purpose.
People's perception of the entities in game are shaped, an alliance that looks bad on the forums might actually miss out on good member corporations/allies etc, just to give you an example.
If you believe this then i'm sorry to say that you are either completely deluded or incredibly gullible. CAOD has always been a cesspool of half-truths and propaganda. The only difference between goons controlling CAOD and when bob controlled it is that goons don't try to pretend that it's a source of credible information.
Goddamn pubbies.
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NereSky
Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Berious
Originally by: Phelaen
quoted because the man has a point!! BoB and ASCN never went this far overboard with posting their propaganda..
Yeah it's not like CCP changed the freaking CAOD rules because BoB went overboard with the ASCN propaganda or anything.
You people have short memories.
and tbh what you seem to forget is that BoB's posts were 3/4 to with the game enviroment and were limited to maybe 20 people, Goons on the other hand are hardly ever with content and are generally trolling and baiting and have hundreds of uncontrolled posters
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Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: 128th ABC123 This forum is meant to discuss these events (not necessarily influence them) and this is currently not possible with the ammount of ****posting going on.
There's nothing to discuss. We're trying to wipe them out, they're trying to wipe us out, the reasons don't matter any more and if you're here to read tea leaves then just look at which side is posting all the threads.
That's what CAOD is.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Minmatar Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Or, let's try something new:
If you are thinking along those lines, why not support it where it's been mentioned in the assembly hall?
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Dianeces
Minmatar The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: 128th ABC123
Furthermore, your comment is mute anyhow.
*moot
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:41:00 -
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I do believe the age of serious posting is dead and buried. |
Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:42:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Or, let's try something new:
If you are thinking along those lines, why not support it where it's been mentioned in the assembly hall?
I think that thread is a bit confused. It needs restating clearly in the OP with more detail - if you fancy doing that I'd be happy to support it. The problem isn't just about "THE INTERNET" alt posting alliance.
Having seen how votes happen in the CSM from the inside I know it needs more specifics to the proposal to have a chance of suceeding.
ISSUE - Bring back space bushido |
Shinma Apollo
Caldari Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:43:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Jade Constantine *really, it's jade, any witty thing I can say here to make him look stupid is already outdone by the original text*
Good morning. Let's roleplay, you can be yourself, and I'll be the guy from yesterday.
Originally by: tobruk
well if you think you are better than anyone in goonswarm let me tell you - having played the game with you and watched your endless walls of self important text for 6 years - you are far, far, worse than goons.
Goonswarm makes changes in this game. They challenged the "we are better than you" and over-serious pvp mindset and won. Their culture dominates the forums, and their charisma builds massive alliances and lasting partnerships. You, on the other hand, have contributed little or nothing, despite your 6 years of trying, to this game. Save a small novel of threads full of witless observations And, by all accounts, your pointless term in the (pointless) CSM.
If someone at CCP shut your forum access off, you would be forgotten in a week. No one will ever forget Goonswarm or Pandemic Legion. so quit riding our coattails and get out of this thread - you parasite.
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