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DHB WildCat
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:36:00 -
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I have in the last few days recieved many eve mails about how to fit a shield tanking ship for solo pvp. So instead of relying to each Ill post my set-up here.
Nightmare -
Highs - 4 T2 Mega Pulses, 1 Nuet, 1 nos
Mids - Pith A XLSB, Pith A SBA, 2 DG Invulns, domi web & disrputor, Heavy Cap Booster
Lows - DCU T2, 4 TS HS, (Yes 4... the fourth gives about 100 dps more!)
Rattlesnake -
Highs - 6 Siege Launcher T2
Mids - Pith A XLSB, Pith A SBA, 2 DG invulns, Domi disruptor, Heavy Cap Booster.
Lows - DCU T2, 4 CN BCU's, PDU T2
Simple and works. Hope this helps,
WildCat
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ZW Dewitt
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:41:00 -
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Standard response: Needs a propulsion mod.
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Enden Assulu
Caldari Atomic Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: ZW Dewitt Standard response: Needs a propulsion mod.
Nah, also no rigs
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Mr Ignitious
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: ZW Dewitt Standard response: Needs a propulsion mod.
watch his videos. It will come to you.
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: ZW Dewitt Standard response: Needs a propulsion mod.
not everyone pvp's in 0,0
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Terminus Vindictus
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: DHB WildCat [orange] Mids - Pith A XLSB, Pith A SBA, 2 DG Invulns, domi web & disrputor,
... where do you PvP just out of curiosity with such fittings? Methinks you may just make for a very inviting target (even for hisec suicide gangs), especially if you think you're somehow invincible because of those mods...
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Cmndr Griff
Capitalistic Tendencies
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:53:00 -
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Again watch a video of his, and try out the fit in EFT. It's one serious piece of kit in terms of DPS and tank and can leave a lot of ships in bits. However when Idle Empire is about you may want to not bother at all.
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The Djego
Minmatar merovinger inc
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus Vindictus
Originally by: DHB WildCat [orange] Mids - Pith A XLSB, Pith A SBA, 2 DG Invulns, domi web & disrputor,
... where do you PvP just out of curiosity with such fittings? Methinks you may just make for a very inviting target (even for hisec suicide gangs), especially if you think you're somehow invincible because of those mods...
Search for the Burning EvE 1-4 Vids. How can¦t you be allready invincible if you kill people with Nano CNRs back in the days.
It is DHB WildCat you are talking about. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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HowlinMad Murdock
Caldari No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: HowlinMad Murdock on 02/03/2009 18:09:28 One- have you even put that setup in eft? DoesnÆt quite fit unless you make some modifications Two- that ship is not gonna solo anything beyond an afk ratter/miner Three- anything that has a mwd/ab is gonna be out of your point range before you can do jack Four- anything beyond 1 properly fit pvp ship will completely overwhelm your 800 dps tank (especially since it won't last more than 3 minutes without putting efficiency rigs on or ccc)
Have you noted how much base hp that ship hasà use it
You can get 37k shields and 165k ehp tank, 1200 dps, and can last for 11 mins with all neuts on with the below:
[Rattlesnake, New Setup 2] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field 100MN MicroWarpdrive I
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
Now if you swap out the em rig for another extender you get 171k ehp and 42k shields (now this is before gang bonuses) with gang bonuses you can get around 50+k shields and 200+ ehp while doing 1200 dps. All you need is a tackling alt or a buddy and you are good to go. Or if you are station camping/camped take off propulsion mod and throw another extender on and gang bonuses and you get 53k. it will take a while to eat through that much hp.
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Cmndr Griff
Capitalistic Tendencies
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:13:00 -
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How can you MWD with no cap? You lack a cap-booster.
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HowlinMad Murdock
Caldari No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:30:00 -
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how long do you expect to be burning? the only thing you need cap for is the hardeners (which take almost nothing) and your mwd (which you shouldn't need for long). it's not a nano ship which needs to have it running non stop, it only needs to be able to either get in range of the tackled target or burn back to a gate. throw in jav torps and you can hit out to 30+km and you won't really need to burn too far to hit anyone with a fight on a gate which 90% of engagements are.
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Cmndr Griff
Capitalistic Tendencies
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Cmndr Griff on 02/03/2009 18:45:22
Originally by: HowlinMad Murdock how long do you expect to be burning? the only thing you need cap for is the hardeners (which take almost nothing) and your mwd (which you shouldn't need for long). it's not a nano ship which needs to have it running non stop, it only needs to be able to either get in range of the tackled target or burn back to a gate. throw in jav torps and you can hit out to 30+km and you won't really need to burn too far to hit anyone with a fight on a gate which 90% of engagements are.
This sort of ship will get blobbed and engaged first. It will then proceed to get multiple neuts, nos, EW, etc going so that ability to use the MWD, neutralisers, hardeners etc is nice hence a cap-booster. Also if your tackle dies you lose the target, so that's a weak link in the chain.
The premise i'd imagine is have an alt in a Falcon or whatever (no one wants to die while perma-jammed), and jump into a camp knowing they will try to **** you before you get back to the gate. You will have to kill everything in the way to re approach. Your MWD won't do much once a scrambler is on you so why bother with it, it merely gimps your capacitor and could reduce fitting options. BSes are hardly nimble.
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Janet Marshall
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: HowlinMad Murdock Edited by: HowlinMad Murdock on 02/03/2009 18:09:28 One- have you even put that setup in eft? DoesnÆt quite fit unless you make some modifications Two- that ship is not gonna solo anything beyond an afk ratter/miner Three- anything that has a mwd/ab is gonna be out of your point range before you can do jack Four- anything beyond 1 properly fit pvp ship will completely overwhelm your 800 dps tank (especially since it won't last more than 3 minutes without putting efficiency rigs on or ccc)
Have you noted how much base hp that ship hasà use it
You can get 37k shields and 165k ehp tank, 1200 dps, and can last for 11 mins with all neuts on with the below:
[Rattlesnake, New Setup 2] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field 100MN MicroWarpdrive I
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
Now if you swap out the em rig for another extender you get 171k ehp and 42k shields (now this is before gang bonuses) with gang bonuses you can get around 50+k shields and 200+ ehp while doing 1200 dps. All you need is a tackling alt or a buddy and you are good to go. Or if you are station camping/camped take off propulsion mod and throw another extender on and gang bonuses and you get 53k. it will take a while to eat through that much hp.
Aww, your so cute. Trying to tell the big boys how to really do ****.
Wildcat has a track record of pvp-ubarness.
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Riven Varlass
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:52:00 -
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Out of your league Howlin.
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Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: HowlinMad Murdock Edited by: HowlinMad Murdock on 02/03/2009 18:09:28 One- have you even put that setup in eft? DoesnÆt quite fit unless you make some modifications Two- that ship is not gonna solo anything beyond an afk ratter/miner Three- anything that has a mwd/ab is gonna be out of your point range before you can do jack Four- anything beyond 1 properly fit pvp ship will completely overwhelm your 800 dps tank (especially since it won't last more than 3 minutes without putting efficiency rigs on or ccc)
Have you noted how much base hp that ship hasà use it
You can get 37k shields and 165k ehp tank, 1200 dps, and can last for 11 mins with all neuts on with the below:
[Rattlesnake, New Setup 2] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field 100MN MicroWarpdrive I
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
Now if you swap out the em rig for another extender you get 171k ehp and 42k shields (now this is before gang bonuses) with gang bonuses you can get around 50+k shields and 200+ ehp while doing 1200 dps. All you need is a tackling alt or a buddy and you are good to go. Or if you are station camping/camped take off propulsion mod and throw another extender on and gang bonuses and you get 53k. it will take a while to eat through that much hp.
you really should go and watch the OPs movies before claiming anything :) think i saw that nightmare in one movie... ---------------------------------- Fighting for something Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: HowlinMad Murdock One- have you even put that setup in eft?
More importantly, he's used that setup (or similar- but ever considered fitting implants we're all using now?) in actual combat. A rare thing to hear about on the forums.
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HowlinMad Murdock
Caldari No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:58:00 -
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Well yea basically you really wouldnÆt want to solo in this ship as you need a tackler and if anything heavy comes in your in trouble and there goes 1+bil. but if you were to fly it in pvp bring the following: gang/tackler, remote reps, buffer (so you can either outlast the dps to dock/jump or kill everything or get repped to stay alive),MWD (because you can get one burn off before they cut your mwd if youÆre trying to burn back to a gate),target painter.
This ship would be a great bait ship as it has a huge buffer to outlast some dps (not a blob), but it will suck as tackling and holding stuff down even with a point and web. If you get nosÆd/neuted in the opÆs setup youÆre screwed even more because you wonÆt be able to tank long enough to dock or jump (that and thereÆs no tp so youÆre torps are gonna do crap). At least with the buffer and mwd you will get one pulse off to burn back to a gate and you will get enough momentum to slowboat back to the gate and you will have enough buffer to make it (albeit in structure probably)
Not really the best ship to take out solo as it will be mince meat no matter how you set it up, because as soon as someone gets you on scan there will be about 5-30 buddies all gunnin for you. You definitely need backup and expect to be the primary in every fight, so a logistics ship would be pretty nice.
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Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 19:01:00 -
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Just stop. Nobody cares about your noob philosophies on PvP.
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Zackaryel
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.02 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego Search for the Burning EvE 1-4 Vids.
For instance : Linky
There's only 2-3-4 there couldn't find the 1st one :/
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Xephys
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.03.02 21:34:00 -
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Wait, wait, I wanna lick DHBs arse too, I wanna be a knight in shining armor coming to save him from these evil people trying to give another opinion on a TOPIC.
I realise his videos are insanely sexy, but shouting at every suggestion at modification of the fitting/a different fitting makes you a tard.
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Foulque
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Posted - 2009.03.02 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Riven Varlass Out of your league Howlin.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.03.03 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 03/03/2009 00:40:10
Originally by: HowlinMad Murdock
One- have you even put that setup in eft?
No, but you put coffee in my keyboard via my nose with that one!
Here's something for you to check out in EFT: T2 Foot in T2 Mouth.
Originally by: Some other dude
I realise his videos are insanely sexy...
Wait until BE (or whatever he calls his outfit these days) pays your alliance a visit, then you'll really see some sex. -- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.03.03 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cmndr Griff Again watch a video of his, and try out the fit in EFT. It's one serious piece of kit in terms of DPS and tank and can leave a lot of ships in bits. However when Idle Empire is about you may want to not bother at all.
Idle is one of the first people I would take it up against. most of our recent camps would go down to a garmon style rupture.... hell if you jump in 2 bs, you will probably get accused of ganking.
just scout up and make sure we aren't running a 10+man camp. most of our talent has either joined Beyond Divinity inc, is seriously afk, or gone carebearing.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.03.03 03:42:00 -
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oh and to everyone else, don't forget the crystal set, and tech 2 rigs.
and please don't put cccs on ships setup like this.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.03.03 05:34:00 -
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This thread would've looked different if WildCat had listed a) the rigs and b) implants as well. They're an essential part of the "fitting".
Either way, I don't have experience from the Rattlesnake, but the Nightmare gets my approval. And honestly, the rig choices should really be listed because w/o them the ships main weakness gets even more blatantly obvious. *coughs* -
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.03.03 05:50:00 -
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Nightmare looks good, not so sure about the Rattlesnake though. It has quite short range on those launchers and using torps without a webifier or target painter seems inadvicable to me.
It would also be interesting to see choice of drones being posted.
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Nicholas DW
Infusion.
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Posted - 2009.03.03 06:46:00 -
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The shield tank video was amazing mate (crystals?) but what about an ECCM back up array in the 5th low of both/either ship(s)?
I need to find the rest/more of your stuff, keep up the good work.
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DHB WildCat
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.03 14:12:00 -
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Implants, and rigs of course were used, but every secret will not be made public.... what fun is that 8).
Also as a hint for the ones that do not know... you do not need a webifier in your mids to web ships!
WildCat
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Cromzor
Caldari Darkstorm Command Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.03 15:07:00 -
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I think you may have forgotten a few things in your fittings:
Meta slot 1 - falcon alt Meta slot 2 - cap booster hauling alt
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Graalum
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.03 15:12:00 -
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does the OP fit a cloak?
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