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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:36:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 25/03/2009 06:47:54
Quote: CCP should remove mining because it's exploited by macro miners
That's basically what people are saying here. Because the system can be abused by some it should be removed in it's entirety.
Fundamentally flawed argument. Everything can be abused in some way or another. The ramifications that abuse of the system could have in this case(EDIT: Spelling ), are just much grander than that of it's sum.
Quote: The interesting fact here is that virtually every person here has been involved in something that has skirted on the EULA or broken it in the past. Most haven't been RMT but they would have been considered unsavoury by some.
I don't think so at all.
Quote: * How many of you have logged onto a friends account to change his skill at his request, to move some funds, sell a bpo etc?
No.
Quote: * How many of you have sold an account for isk (with 1 toon on it) to avoid the character transfer fee?
No.
Quote: None of these are RMT. The reason they are against the EULA is they are a pain in the ass for CCP to govern. Now I do agree 100% that backing ingame isk with RL funds/assets can be abused. It definitely can. But realistically how could CCP stop it even if they wanted too? They could add a clause to the EULA. Would that really stop it from happening? Of course not. It just means CCP is not liable for any fallout that occurs as a result of the change-over.
CCP needs to take distance from such behavior in order to cover their ass and prevent any outside sources of trouble from getting to them. As already pointed out, governments and the like HAS been trying to do that to other, high-profile games.
Quote: Point is, people are breaking the EULA daily. CCP don't care unless it's RMT as its not bothering them. The only way CCP could combat this would be to screen every chat conversation, install trojans in the Eve client to also monitor email and communications software. CCP choose not to cover this because they have already covered their asses saying if anything outside the realms of Eve occurs it is out of their hands.
Stop using the logic, that because others break the EULA it's fine to do. Just because CCP can't police it doesn't mean that it can't get them in trouble.
Quote: This may very well inject new life into this thread or cause one of the EBANK staff to say OMFG in EBANK forums but I am saying this right now as a standard player.
A standard player who has built the greatest financial systems in EVE, and is thus expected to stay clear of any EULA violations due to the huge impact a ban on your butt would have.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:12:00 -
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I don't believe anyone is yet to be banned for a statement made on the forums |
Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic CCP should remove mining because it's exploited by macro miners.
That's basically what people are saying here. Because the system can be abused by some it should be removed in it's entirety.
No, because that's in-game. If you can't distinguish the two you need to get out more.
Renting a vent server for ISK is *grey* as I said because it involves something in-game with something out of game. I don't have a problem with CCPs policies unless they are *aware* of a *fact* that someone is doing something (thus my point about lacking faith in CCP if they were aware of this and said it was ok).
Go up to a cop and say "Hey man, I broke into that house, but virtually everyone does it and a lot of people get away with it" and see how quickly you last.
Quote: Stuff claiming that because everyone does it, it absolves the fact.
As I said, go post that WTS and see how long it lasts. Sure, CCP can't regulate everything, I don't expect them to. But to say you dealt with RMT blatantly in the forums just speaks volumes to your attitude.
And that's where my war lies. Not with CCPs ability to enforce EULA breaches, not with the fact people macro-mine, not the fact people plain cheat. Just your attitude. Your attitude stinks. As does the attitude of any people who *do* breach the EULA in order to get somewhere.
To collate that and your statements, yeah, that does mean I think almost everyone's attitude stinks. Ever wondered why I'm not part of an alliance or corp with more than just myself? Doesn't stop me engaging the MM part of MMORPG though.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic I don't believe anyone is yet to be banned for a statement made on the forums
I know of quite a few cases, actually.
So you just laugh EVeconomics |
Ricdics
Tleilex Developments Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:22:00 -
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I must have missed the part where I said I have dealt in RMT? Care to find linkage? Please don't make things up, you make yourself look more stupid.
I think some of you should order one of these:
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdics I must have missed the part where I said I have dealt in RMT? Care to find linkage? Please don't make things up, you make yourself look more stupid.
Hey, you know what? I was wrong! Yeah, I misread this bit
Quote: My plan if anyone defaulted with me was to simply reinject the cash back into Eve via GTC.
Which certainly shows a fair bit of intent to do some RMT. Regardless of the feelgood factor of buying GTC with the cash someone gave you, you've sold ISK to someone for cash.
But hey, since you couldn't be a human being and point out my mistake, take nice cup of go **** yourself.
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:03:00 -
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I love this game |
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