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Capt Derp
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.26 17:18:00 -
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so am I supposed to mine in high sec during this event or...? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.04.26 18:29:00 -
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You can mine in high-sec. Well, people that don't advertise themselves as miners, can mine in high-sec.
I'd recommend not using hulks, staying well away from, well, pretty much everyone, and keeping a very close eye on local, staying aligned, and warping out at the first sign of trouble, but it's doable.
If you try mining, all fat and happy like most people, you're going to lose ships and pods.
Have fun :) FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2012.04.26 20:16:00 -
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Grav sites and mission sites. Today's gankers are too lazy to put any real effort into finding someone not in a belt. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:11:00 -
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As if mineral prices are not high enough already, lets keep them climbing.
It really sux that the gank ships needed for HULKAGEDDON are so much more expensive right now.
Although I am a miner I truly believe HULKAGEDDON is actually good for the EVE economy as a whole. It gives the market a nice little boost every year which usually takes a few months to subside.
However this year with the timing coinciding with the big BOT purge, and the Drone alloys nerf, we may be in for quite the roller coaster ride yet before the prices get any where near stable.
Just a note for all the avid PVPers out there. Miners will now be the primary source of minerals in EVE, no more gun mining or drone alloys to drive prices down. The more unsafe miners feel the higher the prices will get. Just keep that in mind when you are paying over a bil for a ship you could buy for a few hundred mil a few months ago.
Gankers have been harvesting tiers from miners for a long time now. But it is now time for the miners to harvest the teirs of those same gankers crying about the price of their ships.
Let the games begin... |
Pinstar Colton
New Lunar Republic Special Tactics Squadron
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Posted - 2012.04.27 19:24:00 -
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You could also try mining in a ship that isn't specifically designed for mining. If someone scans you down and they see a Battlecruiser, they have no idea if you're just missioning or if you're mining unless they take the time to confirm visually.
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DR Quantom
Expendable Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:28:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:As if mineral prices are not high enough already, lets keep them climbing.
It really sux that the gank ships needed for HULKAGEDDON are so much more expensive right now.
Although I am a miner I truly believe HULKAGEDDON is actually good for the EVE economy as a whole. It gives the market a nice little boost every year which usually takes a few months to subside.
However this year with the timing coinciding with the big BOT purge, and the Drone alloys nerf, we may be in for quite the roller coaster ride yet before the prices get any where near stable.
Just a note for all the avid PVPers out there. Miners will now be the primary source of minerals in EVE, no more gun mining or drone alloys to drive prices down. The more unsafe miners feel the higher the prices will get. Just keep that in mind when you are paying over a bil for a ship you could buy for a few hundred mil a few months ago.
Gankers have been harvesting tiers from miners for a long time now. But it is now time for the miners to harvest the teirs of those same gankers crying about the price of their ships.
Let the games begin...
Now is the time for Miners to rise up, We need to flex our power and Gank mineral prices, If Anyopne can impact and influence the Game, its the Miners raise your prices and dont sell cheap. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:48:00 -
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http://hulkageddon5.machine9.net/
ladies and gentlethings,
The Hulkageddon V website is now operational, all the details about your favorite event are inside!
KILL SHIPS! MAKE MONEY! WIN PRIZES!
BURN EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM! |
ItchyJuffoWup
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.27 22:36:00 -
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The main thing to remember is be smart when you're mining. dont go afk, always align, and watch local. theres no reason if youre paying attention that you'll get ganked. when i mined in the past i would always mine out my missions i could pick up an easy 10-mil or more doing that. Katja was right. most gankers wont take the time to scan you down. we just run the belts. |
Naes Mlahrend
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
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Posted - 2012.04.27 22:49:00 -
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This is the first one I've been around for and even though I'm not participating I think it's pretty awesome and my mining alt is going to get a little rusty but whatever. I like the fact crazy stuff like this happens in this game. |
Vechtor
DuPont Enterprises Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
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Posted - 2012.04.28 02:13:00 -
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Hulkageddon is good for CCP. As the bots cleaning was good for CCP the same way. Wiping off miners and making ships more expensive is good for CCP because PVP'ers won't cry and complain because ships have become more expensive, they'll simply buy more PLEXes.
Which is all of this about.
Cheers,
Vechtor
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Naes Mlahrend
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
2
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Posted - 2012.04.28 02:43:00 -
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Won't bother me when I can "safely" pull the miner out again and sell more ore for so much more! |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.28 03:08:00 -
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For once in a very long time, mining will become a profitable and respectable profession. It will be worth the risk of mining with gankers in the vicinity once mineral prices go up. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Geoscape
22
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Posted - 2012.04.28 13:08:00 -
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Consider mining in lowsec.
Rather than worrying about which of the locals are gankers looking to ruin your day, you can mine in lowsec knowing that everyone is out to get you, much more simple! |
Khaymann Draven
Boob Heads Test Friends Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.04.28 18:42:00 -
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Geoscape wrote:Consider mining in lowsec.
Rather than worrying about which of the locals are gankers looking to ruin your day, you can mine in lowsec knowing that everyone is out to get you, much more simple!
And much better ore |
Karak Bol
Cable Innovations Cloud 7 Nebulosa
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Posted - 2012.04.28 21:07:00 -
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Indeed low sec mining has its merit. Better Ores, less cluttered local, and after a while you know your neighbours. It goes like "PI Char, Blue, Blue, -¦nother PI char, ops... time to go now" |
Enoch Schereau
Bird-in-Hand
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Posted - 2012.04.29 13:40:00 -
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Hulkageddon is a Joke. I mean, I can appreciate the concept and like when there are large-scale player-created events. But Hulkageddon is getting old.
There are really three problems with it. Two major, one minor.
First, the minor problem: It is old and not very original. It really needs some changing up to keep it interesting. But this is a minor issue.
The major issues are this: 1) Gankers abound and pretty much kill hulks all the time, everywhere. So you would be very hard pressed to find things to be all that differrent during Hulkageddon than before it started. So this really makes it feel like a non-event. Good miners are used to always being on the lookout for ganks. Now, this could be at least partly remedied except for the second major issue:
2) Hulkageddon is scheduled for too long a period. Four weeks is far too long. Now, there's no real sense of urgency for anyone participating. A participant can figure, "well, I have a whole month, so I'll just get around to ganking whenever it is convenient" - which spreads it out and dilutes it to the point that, even if there were increased activity over regular ganking (see issue 1 above), it will be diluted over 4 weeks so as to be drowned out by the bankground noise of regular ganking.
If the event were concentrated - over a single weekend, or say 4 days at most, then it would feed a sense of urgency and would really be noticable. Sort of like the burn Jita event - which is for a day or so at most - looking at the kill list, it is definitely noticeable.
As it stands, though, Hulkgeddon is a tired, old thing, spread out over too long a time, such that I doubt anyone will notice much difference from the 24/7 gankfest that is normal Eve mining. |
Jack Corigan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:19:00 -
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Enoch Schereau wrote: If the event were concentrated - over a single weekend, or say 4 days at most
I agreed with you for that part. 1 Month is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar too long. The 100m per 10 kills is just -.- . It stopped being any fun for miners and just becomes unsub time, i know my 3 accounts wont be active for the duration of this. My corp has been the attack of a lot of ganks since hulkageddon was announced and we simply cant be bothered with even more. Its all great for the null sec alliances who have the capability to throw out the thousands of ships to replace the ones lost during this, but for small time corps its just bullying.
Suicide ganking as a mechanic really has to be reassessed by CCP, its used far too much by too many people.
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:38:00 -
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We have had about 14 accounts in our alliance unsubbed for the next month or two, I hardly see this event as being good for CCP. It doesn't effect me personally as I don't mine, but it bothers me to see people not being able to log on and play because of big bad wussies wanting to mass scale pvp non combat ships. If it were just a week long thing I doubt anyone would not have resubbed. |
Mikeyeve
Team Lang
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:21:00 -
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Every ones seen suicide ganks before and even been hit by them so i agree seeing hulks pop to destroyers is nothing great anymore it's old and tired.
But hang on....teir 3 BC's, Shiney orca's. Nope it could still be fun. |
Samroski
Games Inc. EVE Trade Consortium
57
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:44:00 -
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What miners need to do is to gang up as well. Miners should have a concurrent event like Hulkocalypse, where they support each other.
Great time for mining corps, who can organize "safe" mining ops. Heh heh. |
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Chris Wheeler
Massively Motivated
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:23:00 -
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I would be VERY interested to see how much the organizers of this are speculating on the minerals market. The prices were going up already due to speculation on the impact of drone and loot table changes, then the actual impact of those, and now hulkageddon discouraging miners from production AND more demand for replacement mining ships push the prices up even higher. Seems like the perfect storm, especially if you've stockpiled the crap out of mineral the past few months. Its basically like buying up all the oil supply and then starting a war in the middle east and mining the straight of Hormuz:)
Someone is making a lot of ISK out of this little conflict. |
Naes Mlahrend
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:31:00 -
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I wouldn't doubt it if it were the goons. Harvesting up the ore for so long and then hulkageddon to rise prices, rinse and repeat. |
Hans Momaki
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:54:00 -
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Samroski wrote:What miners need to do is to gang up as well. Miners should have a concurrent event like Hulkocalypse, where they support each other.
Great time for mining corps, who can organize "safe" mining ops. Heh heh.
Are u serious? It is good for miners to stay away as far as possible from each other. Grouping up is pointless, because u can't defend a Hulk under fire. Even Supercap logi can't safe a hulk from dying, because max EHP on Hulk is somewhat like 40k, so there is no benefit at all through grouping up. On the other side, you would become more juciy blob of Hulks. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
111
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:37:00 -
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Enoch Schereau wrote:Hulkageddon is a Joke. I mean, I can appreciate the concept and like when there are large-scale player-created events. But Hulkageddon is getting old.
There are really three problems with it. Two major, one minor.
First, the minor problem: It is old and not very original. It really needs some changing up to keep it interesting. But this is a minor issue.
The major issues are this: 1) Gankers abound and pretty much kill hulks all the time, everywhere. So you would be very hard pressed to find things to be all that differrent during Hulkageddon than before it started. So this really makes it feel like a non-event. Good miners are used to always being on the lookout for ganks. Now, this could be at least partly remedied except for the second major issue:
2) Hulkageddon is scheduled for too long a period. Four weeks is far too long. Now, there's no real sense of urgency for anyone participating. A participant can figure, "well, I have a whole month, so I'll just get around to ganking whenever it is convenient" - which spreads it out and dilutes it to the point that, even if there were increased activity over regular ganking (see issue 1 above), it will be diluted over 4 weeks so as to be drowned out by the bankground noise of regular ganking.
If the event were concentrated - over a single weekend, or say 4 days at most, then it would feed a sense of urgency and would really be noticable. Sort of like the burn Jita event - which is for a day or so at most - looking at the kill list, it is definitely noticeable.
As it stands, though, Hulkgeddon is a tired, old thing, spread out over too long a time, such that I doubt anyone will notice much difference from the 24/7 gankfest that is normal Eve mining.
So if I understand you correctly, You do not believe that the hype and especially prizes offer will give no incentive to the gankers to dtep it up for the month of hulkageddon?
You do realize that there are prizes offered that the gankers will be competing for. I agree that it is to long of a time period but anyone who actually wants a prize will need to be active the whole month if they really want to compete.
From the stats I have seen over the past few years the ganking of miners is usually 10x higher during HULKAGEDDON than any other month. There are many players that do not normally participate ganking but do come out for HULKAGEDDON. It is true that dedicated gankers go all year round but even they step it up during HULKAGEDDON.
Perhaps you are just trying to down play the event to convince more miners to drop their guard and become easier targets. |
Nick Alan
Skorpion Mining Company
1
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:16:00 -
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Samroski wrote:What miners need to do is to gang up as well. Miners should have a concurrent event like Hulkocalypse, where they support each other.
Great time for mining corps, who can organize "safe" mining ops. Heh heh.
I like this idea... Carebears setting traps... the hunter becomes the hunted!
Sadly though I dont see it happing cause carebears dont PVP :(
BUTTTTT if someone can make it happen I would be happy to supply myself to the cause :) |
Seranti Olerie
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:15:00 -
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Nick Alan wrote:Samroski wrote:What miners need to do is to gang up as well. Miners should have a concurrent event like Hulkocalypse, where they support each other.
Great time for mining corps, who can organize "safe" mining ops. Heh heh. I like this idea... Carebears setting traps... the hunter becomes the hunted! Sadly though I dont see it happing cause carebears dont PVP :( BUTTTTT if someone can make it happen I would be happy to supply myself to the cause :)
You would just make it more exciting for them. Give them higher prices rather than "fun"
Besides miners would rather pour over spreadsheets, for the most part, than PvP.
You could also mission run to gain 0% tax with the NPC Corp near the latest motherload of a system you found while scouting ;-)
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:56:00 -
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I am surprised that CCP is allowing this happy horseshit to go on so long. A month of allowing gankbears to harrass other paying customers seems like bad business sense to me. Don't give me that crap either about eve being dangerous and go play hello kitty, we have all heard it before from you unimaginative sheeple. CCP needs to decide if it wants to be a strictly pvp game so that the rest of us can just leave it behind, which of course would end the game as our money keeps this thing going strong. I for one don't mine but have friends that do, and now they aren't logging on, so don't think you are getting any miner tears from me either you bunch of ***pirates. I just think you are all pathetic losers. |
Enoch Schereau
Bird-in-Hand
1
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:06:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Enoch Schereau wrote:Hulkageddon is a Joke. I mean, I can appreciate the concept and like when there are large-scale player-created events. But Hulkageddon is getting old.
There are really three problems with it. Two major, one minor.
First, the minor problem: It is old and not very original. It really needs some changing up to keep it interesting. But this is a minor issue.
The major issues are this: 1) Gankers abound and pretty much kill hulks all the time, everywhere. So you would be very hard pressed to find things to be all that differrent during Hulkageddon than before it started. So this really makes it feel like a non-event. Good miners are used to always being on the lookout for ganks. Now, this could be at least partly remedied except for the second major issue:
2) Hulkageddon is scheduled for too long a period. Four weeks is far too long. Now, there's no real sense of urgency for anyone participating. A participant can figure, "well, I have a whole month, so I'll just get around to ganking whenever it is convenient" - which spreads it out and dilutes it to the point that, even if there were increased activity over regular ganking (see issue 1 above), it will be diluted over 4 weeks so as to be drowned out by the bankground noise of regular ganking.
If the event were concentrated - over a single weekend, or say 4 days at most, then it would feed a sense of urgency and would really be noticable. Sort of like the burn Jita event - which is for a day or so at most - looking at the kill list, it is definitely noticeable.
As it stands, though, Hulkgeddon is a tired, old thing, spread out over too long a time, such that I doubt anyone will notice much difference from the 24/7 gankfest that is normal Eve mining. So if I understand you correctly, You do not believe that the hype and especially prizes offer will give no incentive to the gankers to dtep it up for the month of hulkageddon? You do realize that there are prizes offered that the gankers will be competing for. I agree that it is to long of a time period but anyone who actually wants a prize will need to be active the whole month if they really want to compete. From the stats I have seen over the past few years the ganking of miners is usually 10x higher during HULKAGEDDON than any other month. There are many players that do not normally participate ganking but do come out for HULKAGEDDON. It is true that dedicated gankers go all year round but even they step it up during HULKAGEDDON. Perhaps you are just trying to down play the event to convince more miners to drop their guard and become easier targets.
I meant what I said. I did not claim that ganking did not go up for Hulkageddon, I said that it would be lost in the background noise because it is pretty much a gankfest 24/7 on mining already.
Which, by the way, is not exactly a way to convince anyone to drop their guard. Gankfest 24/7 means you can never drop your guard, hulkageddon or not. But good dose of paranoia there.
That said, given the cost of mining vessels, I would hope they would get a little love from CCP. They obviously will never be gank proof, but they don't have to be paper thin, either.
More generally, I think ganking and concord should be adjusted, such that as soon as someone does something to attract concord, then any ship in the area (perhaps with a minimum level of security rating) can have open season on the attacker, so you might be able to blow it up before concord gets there if you have friends in the area. I'd also make that NOT count as aggression, so the ganker does not get to attack back concord free, period. (Not that it matters right then, since concord is coming anyway) but it will matter if they want to try to come back later. It makes sense and it would allow at least some attempt at a defense beyond just trying to add bulk to a hulk.
This will then make gankers have to tank up themselves, or trade off tank for firepower, same as everyone else. |
Yellowbraids Crafterson
The Asteroid is Depleted Sentinels of Sukanan Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:13:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:As if mineral prices are not high enough already, lets keep them climbing.
It really sux that the gank ships needed for HULKAGEDDON are so much more expensive right now.
Although I am a miner I truly believe HULKAGEDDON is actually good for the EVE economy as a whole. It gives the market a nice little boost every year which usually takes a few months to subside.
However this year with the timing coinciding with the big BOT purge, and the Drone alloys nerf, we may be in for quite the roller coaster ride yet before the prices get any where near stable.
Just a note for all the avid PVPers out there. Miners will now be the primary source of minerals in EVE, no more gun mining or drone alloys to drive prices down. The more unsafe miners feel the higher the prices will get. Just keep that in mind when you are paying over a bil for a ship you could buy for a few hundred mil a few months ago.
Gankers have been harvesting tiers from miners for a long time now. But it is now time for the miners to harvest the teirs of those same gankers crying about the price of their ships.
Let the games begin...
It is time to invoke Rule of Acquisition #41 - The gankers want to get the prizes from the goons, traders in the market might as well bleed them dry. |
Rakan Khagir
Beta Fighter 0.2.9
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:37:00 -
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This hulkageddon is very nice for the little children who doesn`t have any job and live at home with mom and daddy and have enough time to play. But the player who has job and family and he/she try to chill a bit its NOT a funny game And plz tell me where is the fair ratio if u lose an exhumer witch cost is 350M+ and who killed me they lost a 2-3M cost destroyers. And its happening in high sec system. My problem is 350 > 2-3 So we want better tank or better defending. if i lose 350M the attackers also should lose NEARLY the same cost. So not the same and not higher but not just 2-3-50M. The point is the HIGH SECURITY SYSTEM! Yeah its "very high" when 2 destroyer kill u
If everything will be the same this hulkakeddon is just an emogeddon with emoswarm and emoholy union.
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