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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.03.06 05:56:00 -
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Edited by: Karrade Krise on 06/03/2009 06:06:13
Overpowered T3? Only if you min/max as far as I've seen. Expensive fit, I had max gang bonuses plus ganglink bonus, max skills, (exception of Caldari Defensive Subsystem at 4) on the Tengu.
I tanked all this over a period of about hour or more. Took a few newcomers to break me on sisi. *edit* just wanted to note that I stopped moving for about the last 15-20 minutes...so I was taking full damage there for a good while.
3Small NosII 2MediumNosII
6LSEIIs Invul FieldII, Photon FieldII
6 SPR IIs
3FieldPurgerIIs
2009.03.06 05:39:00
Victim: Karrade Krise Corp: Galatic P0RN Starz Destroyed: Tengu System: FD-MLJ Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 1842361
Involved parties:
Name: Ship: Thanatos Weapon: Templar Damage Done: 289548
Name: Ship: Megathron Weapon: Ogre I Damage Done: 215913
Name: Ship: Loki Weapon: Warrior II Damage Done: 213558
Name: Ship: Abaddon Weapon: Abaddon Damage Done: 168717
Name: Ship: Myrmidon Weapon: Infiltrator II Damage Done: 138518
Name: Ship: Typhoon Weapon: 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher Damage Done: 134340
Name:Ship: Unknown Weapon: Hobgoblin II Damage Done: 120037
Name: Ship: Legion Weapon: Acolyte II Damage Done: 116570
Name: Ship: Phoenix Weapon: Thor Torpedo I Damage Done: 86234
Name: Ship: Sleipnir Weapon: Warrior II Damage Done: 74223
Name: Ship: Legion Weapon: Hammerhead I Damage Done: 62858
Name: Ship: Unknown Weapon: 800mm Heavy Prototype I Repeating Siege Cannon Damage Done: 62615
Name: Ship: Proteus Weapon: Hyperion Damage Done: 47925
Name: Ship: Rorqual Weapon: Hammerhead II Damage Done: 25590
Name: Ship: Unknown Weapon: Absolution Damage Done: 23513
Name: Ship: Megathron Weapon: Hyperion Damage Done: 22916
Name: Ship: Proteus Weapon: Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Damage Done: 19181
Name: Ship: Unknown Weapon: Cruise Missile Launcher II Damage Done: 6735
Name: Ship: Ishtar Weapon: Ogre I Damage Done: 5857
Name: (laid the final blow) Ship: Hel Weapon: Einherji Damage Done: 3946
Name: Weapon: Punisher Damage Done: 3567
Name: Weapon: 425mm AutoCannon II
Originally by: CCP Nozh prices T3. goal around the price of tech 2 cruisers
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Rifter Drifter
Minmatar You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2009.03.06 06:08:00 -
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informative.
fake edit: sorry wrong thread.
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.03.06 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rifter Drifter informative.
fake edit: sorry wrong thread.
I just got trolled by Rifter Drifter!
/Karrade is in the cool club now
Originally by: CCP Nozh prices T3. goal around the price of tech 2 cruisers
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ryujiwarui
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Posted - 2009.03.06 08:29:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvsC5wX0LRY
"its over a million"
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2009.03.06 09:10:00 -
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A Caldari ship through and through. I look forward to seeing this setup repeated endlessly on battleclinic. --
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Xindi Kraid
Gene Works
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Posted - 2009.03.06 09:38:00 -
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Yes the Trengu has a godlike tank, sadly (from my POV) this is tempered by what seems to be a somewhat lackluster damage (think drake) -Xindi Kraid: Delivering acerbic wit and scathing comments with just a dash of 'stab you in the eye' |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.06 09:56:00 -
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Too bad the crazy tanks for the t3 ships are getting nerfed accourding to both a bh and dev I chatted with.
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Xindi Kraid
Gene Works
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Posted - 2009.03.06 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Too bad the crazy tanks for the t3 ships are getting nerfed accourding to both a bh and dev I chatted with.
DO NOT WANT -Xindi Kraid: Delivering acerbic wit and scathing comments with just a dash of 'stab you in the eye' |
TimMc
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.06 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xindi Kraid
Originally by: Zeba Too bad the crazy tanks for the t3 ships are getting nerfed accourding to both a bh and dev I chatted with.
DO NOT WANT
Passive tanks they can pull are insane :D I imagine they are gonna get gimped shield recharge rate.
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.03.06 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Xindi Kraid
Originally by: Zeba Too bad the crazy tanks for the t3 ships are getting nerfed accourding to both a bh and dev I chatted with.
DO NOT WANT
Passive tanks they can pull are insane :D I imagine they are gonna get gimped shield recharge rate.
I imagine that too. I know it needs it....yet I really don't want it gimped...I like my Solo-"Kill your support and lol at your so-called 'DPS' and keep stabbing you in the face until it stops being funny"-pwnmobile
Terianna Eri > :( i wish i were as good a forum ***** as karrade
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achoura
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Posted - 2009.03.06 13:43:00 -
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So you can fit your ship to tank a carp tone of damage while doing sweet fa in offence or tackle. Funny, i thought the whole point of t3 was to fit for specific situations just like that, it cant perform like tii considering the price tag. When you add up the time, effort and resources needed to gatehr that salvage, prints and gass, react them at a pos and build each of those sub systems costs about the same isk as a hac. ***The EVE servers and their patches*** |
TimMc
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.06 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Karrade Krise I imagine that too. I know it needs it....yet I really don't want it gimped...I like my Solo-"Kill your support and lol at your so-called 'DPS' and keep stabbing you in the face until it stops being funny"-pwnmobile
Call it what you want, I think t3 ships atm make the ultimate bait.
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.03.06 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Karrade Krise on 06/03/2009 14:10:13
Originally by: achoura So you can fit your ship to tank a carp tone of damage while doing sweet fa in offence or tackle. Funny, i thought the whole point of t3 was to fit for specific situations just like that, it cant perform like tii considering the price tag. When you add up the time, effort and resources needed to gatehr that salvage, prints and gass, react them at a pos and build each of those sub systems costs about the same isk as a hac.
Er...Your post seemed kinda jumpy so I might be reading it wrong...
Are you...Ok yea I'm confuzzled. You say the ship was meant to just tank a crapload of damage...which I stated it does and doesn't do much else...Then in your second sentence you say "I thought the whole point of T3 was to fit for specific situations"
Now as far as the pricing. CCP has said that they "intend for the goal of prices to be close to that of T2" They also said they don't know what the final pricing will look at. However they do have leeway into how much material drops from the NPC and such, so they do somewhat have a little bit of power of prices, even if it's somewhat indirect.
So...what exactly is the point of your post? The setup I posted is going to be ridiculously expensive? Yes...I believe I said that...so...
Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Karrade Krise I imagine that too. I know it needs it....yet I really don't want it gimped...I like my Solo-"Kill your support and lol at your so-called 'DPS' and keep stabbing you in the face until it stops being funny"-pwnmobile
Call it what you want, I think t3 ships atm make the ultimate bait.
Agreed. Ultimate is an understatement tbh :P
Terianna Eri > :( i wish i were as good a forum ***** as karrade
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z0de
Gallente The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.03.06 15:19:00 -
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Damage taken is a worthless mesure of an active tank, if they can't break you the number will just going up. How many ships were on you went down, what sort of dps were they doing?
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.03.06 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: z0de Damage taken is a worthless mesure of an active tank, if they can't break you the number will just going up. How many ships were on you went down, what sort of dps were they doing?
Er, did you even look at the first post? He posted the KM, which has all of the people who were attacking him on there.
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Anubis Hatak
Extreme Madness Order
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Posted - 2009.03.06 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Renarla
Originally by: z0de Damage taken is a worthless mesure of an active tank, if they can't break you the number will just going up. How many ships were on you went down, what sort of dps were they doing?
Er, did you even look at the first post? He posted the KM, which has all of the people who were attacking him on there.
If you don't dock/leave system, all the damage you took while undocked adds up on the kill mail. All that damage could have been done in over 10 different fights not just the 1.
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z0de
Gallente The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.03.06 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Renarla
Originally by: z0de Damage taken is a worthless mesure of an active tank, if they can't break you the number will just going up. How many ships were on you went down, what sort of dps were they doing?
Er, did you even look at the first post? He posted the KM, which has all of the people who were attacking him on there.
Yes, over an hour. I doubt they were all their the whole time shooting. My inclination is to think he tanked the Thanatos + some support for a a long time then the Phoenix + Hel came and finished him rather quickly. Now tanking a carrier in a cruiser is still impressive but I would like some more infomation is all.
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Karl Kahn
GenX Societies Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.06 16:14:00 -
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Quote: Name: Ship: Unknown Weapon: 800mm Heavy Prototype I Repeating Siege Cannon Damage Done: 62615
Name: Ship: Proteus Weapon: Hyperion Damage Done: 47925
Name: Ship: Rorqual Weapon: Hammerhead II Damage Done: 25590
Name: Ship: Unknown Weapon: Absolution Damage Done: 23513
I want that mf'er.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.03.06 16:14:00 -
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hey, you refit it at some point, because i remember you had my paladin tackled for a while :P
Cool tank bro __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Christari Zuborov
Amarr Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.03.06 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: z0de
Originally by: Renarla
Originally by: z0de Damage taken is a worthless mesure of an active tank, if they can't break you the number will just going up. How many ships were on you went down, what sort of dps were they doing?
Er, did you even look at the first post? He posted the KM, which has all of the people who were attacking him on there.
Yes, over an hour. I doubt they were all their the whole time shooting. My inclination is to think he tanked the Thanatos + some support for a a long time then the Phoenix + Hel came and finished him rather quickly. Now tanking a carrier in a cruiser is still impressive but I would like some more infomation is all.
Tanking a carrier in a cruiser is quite easy to do... Especially when the carrier is using fighters.
I hope they don't nerf T3, if someone were to take something like that out in space, sure they may survive a lot, but the consequences of dieing in it is SP, and it'd make a SWEEEEET prize if they ejected.
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.03.06 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Kahn
Quote: Name: Ship: Unknown Weapon: 800mm Heavy Prototype I Repeating Siege Cannon Damage Done: 62615
Name: Ship: Proteus Weapon: Hyperion Damage Done: 47925
Name: Ship: Rorqual Weapon: Hammerhead II Damage Done: 25590
Name: Ship: Unknown Weapon: Absolution Damage Done: 23513
I want that mf'er.
FIRE THE BATTLESHIPS! You mean cannons? No, throw the ****ing ships at them!
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.06 16:42:00 -
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Sure, it can tank, but its still a fail fit :)
No tackle, no propulsion, no damage.
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.06 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Sure, it can tank, but its still a fail fit :)
No tackle, no propulsion, no damage.
same as most carebear drake's then
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.06 17:49:00 -
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Would you mind posting the shield HP, resists, and recharge time? I'd like to see what sorts of DPS that thing is actually capable of tanking ^_^ |
Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.06 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 06/03/2009 18:02:38
Originally by: Gneeznow
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Sure, it can tank, but its still a fail fit :)
No tackle, no propulsion, no damage.
same as most carebear drake's then
Exactly, just as useless, tho carbears usually sport at least one BCU :P.
Fit the Drake for PvP however, thats win.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.03.06 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 06/03/2009 18:11:58 So it's a Block of Shields that dosen't do anything but tank?
Just save it til last.
Quote: I hope they don't nerf T3, if someone were to take something like that out in space, sure they may survive a lot, but the consequences of dieing in it is SP, and it'd make a SWEEEEET prize if they ejected.
I doubt it, most people will probably not train beyond level 4 so at most will lose a day's worth of training. I doubt people will be losing these things enough for that to really matter...
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Baron Agamemnon
Caldari Holy Grail Construction
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Posted - 2009.03.06 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 06/03/2009 18:11:58 So it's a Block of Shields that dosen't do anything but tank?
Just save it til last.
Quote: I hope they don't nerf T3, if someone were to take something like that out in space, sure they may survive a lot, but the consequences of dieing in it is SP, and it'd make a SWEEEEET prize if they ejected.
I doubt it, most people will probably not train beyond level 4 so at most will lose a day's worth of training. I doubt people will be losing these things enough for that to really matter...
Agreed. I lost a few Tengues on Sisi, and neglecting to eject I lost 15 hours of training, bo biggie :).
HAM Tengu tho seems very nice, I made one that easily outclasses my HAM Drake :). More dps, more tank, faster, better sensor strenght, able to fit a probe launcher, and even a target painter on some versions.
I posted some pic of the verion I took to w-space in general.
I look forward to this, even tho it will be expancive. :P
But I am sure of one thing, I will not make a lol super tank fit that is useless ^^. Whats the point? So you can stay outside station and show your passive tank?
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Kusum Fawn
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Posted - 2009.03.06 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kusum Fawn on 06/03/2009 19:11:21 its the suprise insane fit, you know some players will try to kill that ship and that ship only for a bit, and you can never really tell whether its a carebear fit or a real pvp fit, or the fit like that, so in the time that it takes to realize that its a giant tank, your corp/gang mates can kill them pretty fast, as the primary is going to tank their entire fleet.
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Name: Weapon: 425mm AutoCannon II
disembodied ac?
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Brian Kith
Elite Underworld Special Forces OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.06 20:52:00 -
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Another Drake-like ship in the Caldari stable is not really all that interesting to me as a PvPer. Everybody knows a Drake can tank, but no matter what you do with it, a Drake is gonna be sorta "meh" DPS.
Now, the real trick would be if through proper subsystem selection you could turn a Tengu into a "WTFOMGPWNBBQDPS" mobile in a mid sized box that the Caldari currently lack. If a properly configured Tengu can do that, then you've added some depth and decision making to a PvP engagement.
"Is that a tanked Tengu or an ass beater in sheeps clothing?"
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.06 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Christari Zuborov
Tanking a carrier in a cruiser is quite easy to do... Especially when the carrier is using fighters.
I'm afraid you're wrong on that one. With 6 LSE IIs he's getting an extra 150 m sig radius. A fighter's guns are a mere 125 m. Also, with no propulsion mods and being caldari, he's not going very fast, and he said that he stopped moving after a while to take full damage.
It looks like he'd have to have been tanking at the very least 2k DPS, probably more, but I suppose we won't know for sure until he posts the numbers. |
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