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Lady Hofstedar
Novindus Equilibrium
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Posted - 2012.04.26 22:39:00 -
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Hi
I live in high sec. I make more than enough ISK to plex three accounts. I don't live on EvE. Im married with three kids and a full time job.
You complain you can't make ISK L2P. It's that simple
Level 3-4 missions / loot (refine it, sell the meta 3/4) salvage (make rigs, prices are up) Bounties Exploration WH Sneaky sleeper hits Use LP to buy crap to make ISK
Mining ? Er No thanks
So my *comment* is quite simple. If you can't make ISK in high sec, your doing it wrong :)
Wanna hate me? Go ahead :) Nerd Rage is awsum |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
1085
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Posted - 2012.04.26 22:41:00 -
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I hate you, but it's because of your tanlines |
Lady Hofstedar
Novindus Equilibrium
61
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Posted - 2012.04.26 22:42:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I hate you, but it's because of your tanlines
dude there awsum :( |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2012.04.26 22:45:00 -
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Your obvious problem is that you're playing your own game. Stop it. Play theirs. Fit your ships like theirs. Use their memes. Follow the group-think of the disgraced lawyer. Dog-pile like they do in CAOD. Get your crap together, man. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
283
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Posted - 2012.04.26 23:14:00 -
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Cool story bro. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Lady Hofstedar
Novindus Equilibrium
63
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Posted - 2012.04.26 23:25:00 -
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Katja Faith wrote:Your obvious problem is that you're playing your own game. Stop it. Play theirs. Fit your ships like theirs. Use their memes. Follow the group-think of the disgraced lawyer. Dog-pile like they do in CAOD. Get your crap together, man.
Ah shite :/ so i has to be a sheep to fit in ::( Darn It! |
Bohoba
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.26 23:29:00 -
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mine Ice it is good :)
hehe
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
183
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Posted - 2012.04.26 23:29:00 -
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I like sheep, they are good eatin |
TWHC Assistant
20
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Posted - 2012.04.26 23:35:00 -
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OP forgot PI, trading and research. Gives extra ISKs for no work. Just install a PI program once or twice a day, same with checking your buy and sell orders, and research can run for up to 30 days. And now I forgot to mention my RP agents, which should be sitting on tens of thousands RPs. No idea when I get to them ... |
Jonah Gravenstein
210
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Posted - 2012.04.26 23:37:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:I like sheep, they are good eatin
needs mint sauce to be complete
OP I agree with you, I do pretty much the same but I'm only plexing the one account at the moment, my mining/wh account is inactive.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2012.04.27 00:01:00 -
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I always think its funny. Ppl scream this game is a sandbox when its convenient to their argument then when they wanna talk about how lvl 4s shouldnt be in high sec they justify it with things like "well high sec is the beginner area and 0.0/low is endgame" like this ISNT A sandbox and is in fact a linear game like WoW. They think you shouldnt be able to make a living and play in High sec cause thats just a starter zone that leads to the real game.
Which is it? Is it a sandbox where you can live, play and make a living anywhere you choose or is it a linear game where theres a beginning, middle and end?
Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
473
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Posted - 2012.04.27 00:03:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong? It's so everyone but goons can play the way they want.
The solution that people have proposed is to just ban us all, then you can see how those two statements will line up perfectly ~<3
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:I like sheep, they are good eatin needs mint sauce to be complete Mint does go well with lamb. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
284
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Posted - 2012.04.27 00:05:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I hate you, but it's because of your tanlines dude there awsum :(
Pearl necklace fail. I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
55
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Posted - 2012.04.27 01:29:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I always think its funny. Ppl scream this game is a sandbox when its convenient to their argument then when they wanna talk about how lvl 4s shouldnt be in high sec they justify it with things like "well high sec is the beginner area and 0.0/low is endgame" like this ISNT A sandbox and is in fact a linear game like WoW. They think you shouldnt be able to make a living and play in High sec cause thats just a starter zone that leads to the real game.
Which is it? Is it a sandbox where you can live, play and make a living anywhere you choose or is it a linear game where theres a beginning, middle and end?
Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong?
I honestly would not mind level 4's being moved to lowsec. I can run them as easily in lowsec as I can in a 0.5 system. My issue is that there is almost no difference in payout between as 0.4 L4 and a 0.5 L4. The risk is far greater and rewards in lowsec should be doubled. Triple them in nullsec.
If your highsec mission sends you to lowsec, same deal, double the rewards instantly. At least make it clear that lowsec pays much better, not some mere 5 to 10% more profit. I agree with the carebears when they say the risk is simply not worth the reward.
EDIT: At least they got the deadpsace/level 5's payoff right. Gotta give credit where credit is due. |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 01:41:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:Hi
I live in high sec. I make more than enough ISK to plex three accounts. I don't live on EvE. Im married with three kids and a full time job.
You complain you can't make ISK L2P. It's that simple
Level 3-4 missions / loot (refine it, sell the meta 3/4) salvage (make rigs, prices are up) Bounties Exploration WH Sneaky sleeper hits Use LP to buy crap to make ISK
Mining ? Er No thanks
So my *comment* is quite simple. If you can't make ISK in high sec, your doing it wrong :)
Wanna hate me? Go ahead :) Nerd Rage is awsum I hate you, but that's because you live in high sec and aren't a newbie anymore. If it makes you feel any better this post made me hate you significantly less than usual.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
739
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Posted - 2012.04.27 01:42:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I always think its funny. Ppl scream this game is a sandbox when its convenient to their argument then when they wanna talk about how lvl 4s shouldnt be in high sec they justify it with things like "well high sec is the beginner area and 0.0/low is endgame" like this ISNT A sandbox and is in fact a linear game like WoW. They think you shouldnt be able to make a living and play in High sec cause thats just a starter zone that leads to the real game.
Which is it? Is it a sandbox where you can live, play and make a living anywhere you choose or is it a linear game where theres a beginning, middle and end?
Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong? Concord are a form of anti-sandbox mechanics that were introduced because they were necessary to protect starter areas and trade hubs, these kind of guards are common in all games.
Ideally concord would not exist, but it genuinely is necessary or the game would simply be too unfriendly to new players to prosper, however such a compromise exists only to benefit new players and to reduce the learning curve of the game. High profit areas protected by concord violates that compromise.
You have to realise for a lot of us this game would be preferable if it were entirely null sec, but obviously new players would find it a steep learning curve. The issue is with convincing those players to begin learning at all, unfortunately at the moment high sec has overstepped its boundaries, violated the balance and compromise originally intended and has become something it was never intended to be.
I think CCP are beginning to correct this, hopefully they will eventually succeed.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.27 01:54:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I always think its funny. Ppl scream this game is a sandbox when its convenient to their argument then when they wanna talk about how lvl 4s shouldnt be in high sec they justify it with things like "well high sec is the beginner area and 0.0/low is endgame" like this ISNT A sandbox and is in fact a linear game like WoW. They think you shouldnt be able to make a living and play in High sec cause thats just a starter zone that leads to the real game.
Which is it? Is it a sandbox where you can live, play and make a living anywhere you choose or is it a linear game where theres a beginning, middle and end?
Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong? Concord are a form of anti-sandbox mechanics that were introduced because they were necessary to protect starter areas and trade hubs, these kind of guards are common in all games. Ideally concord would not exist, but it genuinely is necessary or the game would simply be too unfriendly to new players to prosper, however such a compromise exists only to benefit new players and to reduce the learning curve of the game. High profit areas protected by concord violates that compromise. You have to realise for a lot of us this game would be preferable if it were entirely null sec, but obviously new players would find it a steep learning curve. The issue is with convincing those players to begin learning at all, unfortunately at the moment high sec has overstepped its boundaries, violated the balance and compromise originally intended and has become something it was never intended to be. I think CCP are beginning to correct this, hopefully they will eventually succeed. I'm still against the concord buff that made them invincible. In my day they kept spawning bigger and bigger waves until you eventually died, but you could fight back against them the same as any NPC. Believe it or not I never got attacked in high sec. As far as I know that only became a thing once they made it so much "safer" (excluding the m0o antics that caused the buff in the first place of course). |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
740
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Posted - 2012.04.27 02:02:00 -
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Yeah, I wish I'd been around back then, I would love to have experienced Eve without an omnipotent concord. I think a lot of people forget how Eve started out when they wildly claim Eve wouldn't function if CCP "gave into the gankers".
Since 2008, when I joined, I am yet to really see any extensive changes benefiting non-consensual PvP. Yet to hear some people speak you would think Eve started off all sunshine and lollipops, and has become more dangerous over the years. The reality is the complete reverse.
Anyway, if it wasn't for CCP's single shard policy I'd love to see them stick a classic server up for a week or two. Just to try out.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
155
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Posted - 2012.04.27 02:05:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:Hi
I live in high sec. I make more than enough ISK to plex three accounts. I don't live on EvE. Im married with three kids and a full time job.
You complain you can't make ISK L2P. It's that simple
Level 3-4 missions / loot (refine it, sell the meta 3/4) salvage (make rigs, prices are up) Bounties Exploration WH Sneaky sleeper hits Use LP to buy crap to make ISK
Mining ? Er No thanks
So my *comment* is quite simple. If you can't make ISK in high sec, your doing it wrong :)
Wanna hate me? Go ahead :) Nerd Rage is awsum
Arguing with the voices in your head again? Let us know who wins.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2012.04.27 02:06:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong? It's so everyone but goons can play the way they want.
Did I say that? no... Unless of course "the way you want" is to destroy the game as your organization has stated in the past they are trying to do then yes that would be bad as I LIKE this game. If you dont, given your want to destroy it, find another game rather than destroying this one?
Corbin Blair wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I always think its funny. Ppl scream this game is a sandbox when its convenient to their argument then when they wanna talk about how lvl 4s shouldnt be in high sec they justify it with things like "well high sec is the beginner area and 0.0/low is endgame" like this ISNT A sandbox and is in fact a linear game like WoW. They think you shouldnt be able to make a living and play in High sec cause thats just a starter zone that leads to the real game.
Which is it? Is it a sandbox where you can live, play and make a living anywhere you choose or is it a linear game where theres a beginning, middle and end?
Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong? Concord are a form of anti-sandbox mechanics that were introduced because they were necessary to protect starter areas and trade hubs, these kind of guards are common in all games. Ideally concord would not exist, but it genuinely is necessary or the game would simply be too unfriendly to new players to prosper, however such a compromise exists only to benefit new players and to reduce the learning curve of the game. High profit areas protected by concord violates that compromise. You have to realise for a lot of us this game would be preferable if it were entirely null sec, but obviously new players would find it a steep learning curve. The issue is with convincing those players to begin learning at all, unfortunately at the moment high sec has overstepped its boundaries, violated the balance and compromise originally intended and has become something it was never intended to be. I think CCP are beginning to correct this, hopefully they will eventually succeed. I'm still against the concord buff that made them invincible. In my day they kept spawning bigger and bigger waves until you eventually died, but you could fight back against them the same as any NPC. Believe it or not I never got attacked in high sec. As far as I know that only became a thing once they made it so much "safer" (excluding the m0o antics that caused the buff in the first place of course).
meh as far as ive ever beeen in the game its been an exploit to survive them :p
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2012.04.27 02:10:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Yeah, I wish I'd been around back then, I would love to have experienced Eve without an omnipotent concord. I think a lot of people forget how Eve started out when they wildly claim Eve wouldn't function if CCP "gave into the gankers".
Since 2008, when I joined, I am yet to really see any extensive changes benefiting non-consensual PvP. Yet to hear some people speak you would think Eve started off all sunshine and lollipops, and has become more dangerous over the years. The reality is the complete reverse.
Anyway, if it wasn't for CCP's single shard policy I'd love to see them stick a classic server up for a week or two. Just to try out.
so.... the game has gotten better than... again, this is the only MMO Ive ever seen where the players want to downgrade it
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Xavier Thorm
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2012.04.27 02:11:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong? It's so everyone but goons can play the way they want. Did I say that? no... Unless of course "the way you want" is to destroy the game as your organization has stated in the past they are trying to do then yes that would be bad as I LIKE this game. If you dont, given your want to destroy it, find another game rather than destroying this one?
You seem to have forgotten that Goons LOVE you.
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Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.27 02:18:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:meh as far as ive ever beeen in the game its been an exploit to survive them :p Yeah I was talking about beta. Back then I could survive about 5 waves of concord in my thorax. (no battleships in the game yet) |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
741
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Posted - 2012.04.27 02:22:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Yeah, I wish I'd been around back then, I would love to have experienced Eve without an omnipotent concord. I think a lot of people forget how Eve started out when they wildly claim Eve wouldn't function if CCP "gave into the gankers".
Since 2008, when I joined, I am yet to really see any extensive changes benefiting non-consensual PvP. Yet to hear some people speak you would think Eve started off all sunshine and lollipops, and has become more dangerous over the years. The reality is the complete reverse.
Anyway, if it wasn't for CCP's single shard policy I'd love to see them stick a classic server up for a week or two. Just to try out. so.... the game has gotten better than... again, this is the only MMO Ive ever seen where the players want to downgrade it Of course the game has improved since then, in many ways. I'd only like to try out the classic Eve, not revert to it
In other ways, it has become much worse. Once Eve was difficult, even going back to 2008 it was relatively hard to make ISK, especially in high sec. Now it is not, everything is freely available and the game is not better for it.
Similarly logistics has become easier over time. Players on average have become richer, we have more carriers, jump freighters even t2 transport alts than ever. Simply we are rapidly reaching the point where we have become so efficient at avoiding risk that it has killed sandbox style PvP.
Now all that is left is consensual PvP, blue balling, sov structure bashing and of course picking off the odd few idiots who still haven't learnt game mechanics yet.
Anyway /rant over, I'd just like to have seen Eve when a battleship was valuable and everywhere was dangerous :)
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.27 02:25:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Of course the game has improved since then, in many ways. I'd only like to try out the classic Eve, not revert to it CCP if you're reading this i'll pay $100 a month for a classic rules server with the current UI and graphics please.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2012.04.27 02:39:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:
Now all that is left is consensual PvP,
wait what? how do I get this pvp flag? Is it in the NeX store?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
741
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Posted - 2012.04.27 02:43:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:
Now all that is left is consensual PvP,
wait what? how do I get this pvp flag? Is it in the NeX store? You make a terrible troll.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2012.04.27 02:46:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:
Now all that is left is consensual PvP,
wait what? how do I get this pvp flag? Is it in the NeX store? You make a terrible troll.
youre the one pretending the game has consentual pvp I say you in turn are the bad troll
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
741
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Posted - 2012.04.27 02:58:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: youre the one pretending the game has consentual pvp I say you in turn are the bad troll
Try quoting the full paragraph.
I think your issue is that you are neither experienced enough to avoid PvP, which would make you one of the few idiots that still dies, nor are you experienced enough to have engaged in any PvP outside of high sec.
Which is kind of sad. Maybe if this game was harsher, or high sec less rewarding, you'd have been forced to leave high sec already and learn the game mechanics a little more thoroughly.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Lady Hofstedar
Novindus Equilibrium
67
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:11:00 -
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True enuff all of the comments, sorry have been very busy, hadn't had time to look at this thread.
Each lvl 4 mission u can make at least 23mil minimum. I do when i have time 30+ lvl 4 missions blitzing. ISK income isnt an issue.
They complain about lvl 5's but can u imagine the LAG that would create with level 5 agents in high sec? OHDEARGOD
Think of it as a *oh damn* in this game i have to actually do something to make ISK unlike WOW (yes i have a wow account, wife uses it) where she just flys around looking for ore's and making thousands of gold (i.e billions of ISK) a day from that.
I prefer eve simply because of its ability to drive off idiots :) |
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