Wow...what a waste of bits. Did you really spend that much time typing out an extremely long way of saying "I am butthurt that people aren't playing the game the way I want them to."? That is really sad.

I grow tired of the ignorance of so many people who claim to know what EVE is about when in reality, they have no clue. EVE isn't about PvP, Risk vs. Reward, or conflict. EVE is about the Sandbox. Period. People can do what they want, when they want for whatever reason they want. If you don't like the way someone is playing the game then **** you. Stop trying to force people to do what you want. That is Communism. Get over yourself.

How quickly would your 1-person corp explode to become a 10-person corp if the mining corporation was foolish enough to put two or three combat ships in the belts?

How many logistics boats does it take to repair a Hulk through an alpha gank?

The miners are staying cooped up in station because they know your silly tricks. Hisec wardecs are one-sided jokes upon PvP.

The wardeccer isn't trying to force the opponent "out of the game" - that entire concept, the idea that "wardecs are bad for eve" is complete garbage. It is perpetuated by risk averse mewlers so their argument looks a little better than "well, I just don't like it."

Until then you are sitting in a station, crying, and letting your fear of something unlikely to be true control your actions.

So you don't actually have anything to contribute to the conversation other than "lol I'm a 13 year old who can't read?"

Good to know, I guess.

If anything there going to make PVP easier in highsec by making crime watch KILL you only after you make the kill.
You can ransom, shoot, warp jam but this all Flags you under suspect with the new crime watch and are allowed to be attacked by the player involved and his corporation or fleet.

When you make the kill, then you receive the GCC.

I may be wrong about it, but go watch the Fanfest keynotes yourself, or at least listen to them in the background.

Remember the epic mmo Ultima Online? They ruin it, all that was left was a hollow game, with fever and bleeding diathesis...

I'm starting to wonder if any of you guys even watched the keynotes for fanfest.

From what I took from the keynotes about the new crimewatch.

If anything there going to make PVP easier in highsec by making crime watch KILL you only after you make the kill.
You can shoot, warp jam but this all Flags you under suspect with the new crime watch and are allowed to be attacked by the player involved and his corporation or fleet.

When you make the kill, then you receive the GCC.

I may be wrong about it, but go watch the Fanfest keynotes yourself, or at least listen to them in the background.

I'm starting to wonder if any of you guys even watched the keynotes for fanfest.

From what I took from the keynotes about the new crimewatch.

If anything there going to make PVP easier in highsec by making crime watch KILL you only after you make the kill.
You can shoot, warp jam but this all Flags you under suspect with the new crime watch and are allowed to be attacked by the player involved and his corporation or fleet.

When you make the kill, then you receive the GCC.

I may be wrong about it, but go watch the Fanfest keynotes yourself, or at least listen to them in the background.

oh my good (and I am agnostic), I can't believe I read that in full, must be the masochist in me.

some things the OP seems to have forgotten

1. EVE IS A GAME
2. Only a minority of all EVE players is on the forums
3. I am relatively sure, a majority of EVE players do not care about meta-gaming in EVE
4. EVE IS A GAME
5. Buuhuuu they are not playing as I want, these evil carebears
7. EVE IS A GAME YOU PLAY, and most people do it for fun not for DRAMA

stuff said, can't tell if I am angry about the nonsense of the OP, my stupidity to read and post on it or in general to care about things written in the forum.

It's not the Hi-Sec nerfs, it's the Hi-Sec nerfs COMBINED with the amount of money to be made in Hi-Sec. And that should be brought to CCP's attention. Loudly, aggressively, and repeatedly.

It's not really a sandbox when ccp is constantly changing the rules to protect/shield carebears. It's not a sandbox AT ALL! It's a single player game.


The reality is this. carebears are like the Ebola Virus, they enter a game and it's all over.

For the last 15 years, they ****** up every single game... they always start playing games they don't like, and always, ALWAYS, try and change them, until the game fits their "carebear" needs. At that point, the game is dead.


Remember the epic mmo Ultima Online? They ruin it, all that was left was a hollow game, with fever and bleeding diathesis...

oh my good (and I am agnostic), I can't believe I read that in full, must be the masochist in me.

some things the OP seems to have forgotten

1. EVE IS A GAME
2. Only a minority of all EVE players is on the forums
3. I am relatively sure, a majority of EVE players do not care about meta-gaming in EVE
4. EVE IS A GAME
5. Buuhuuu they are not playing as I want, these evil carebears
7. EVE IS A GAME YOU PLAY, and most people do it for fun not for DRAMA

stuff said, can't tell if I am angry about the nonsense of the OP, my stupidity to read and post on it or in general to care about things written in the forum.

There's a lesson that many "PvPers" need to learn from dogs playing with their puppies. Watch the adults playing with the puppies some time: they'll have mock fights and tugs of war. You can participate if you learn how: you have to put up a fight, but only bring as much fight as a puppy can handle. You also need to back down sometimes to give the puppy the experience of "winning". When you play tug-of-war, you pull back (and make a big show of how hard you have to fight that little puppy) and give back. By playing with the puppy this way, you'll maintain the puppy's interest in keeping this activity up.

What about the simpler rules like: when that guy flips your can, only the person who jettisoned that can is allowed to shoot back, but when that shot is fired, the flipper's entire corporation can shoot back at the shooter, but the victim's corp has to wait for the flipper's corp to start shooting before they can join the fight

funny I yahoo searched for it and its still "available now"
But then when did that game come out? Cause time has a tendancy to kill games too, not JUST carebear tears.

The "nerfs" you speak of only curtailed the excessive abuse of certain mechanics. Suicide ganking is slightly harder in that you have to actually plan your ganks. But it is still quite possible to solo-gank a Hulk in hisec with a destroyer. Use two destroyers if you're not 100% confident.

I believe you are correct on the economy side of things though: hisec activities offer far to high an income. People should be rewarded for taking the risk to live elsewhere. This is why reactions, reverse engineering and drug manufacturing can only happen outside high sec. This is why capital ships and super capital ships can only be manufactured outside high sec. This is why Arkonor, Bistot and Crokite can only be found outside hisec. This is why hisec PI is low yield and heavily taxed, while yield increases dramatically and taxes are imposed by players at their discretion outside hisec.

The best way to "punish" the care bear miners is to reduce the profitability of the hisec activities that they participate in the most. They will follow the profit, as the OP indicated. The removal of drone poo is the greatest shot in the arm CCP could ever have given to the mining profession. Now they just need to reverse the ore spawn boost from back in the Unholy Rage campaign and we'll be all set. Well, I'd like to see the further restriction of mid-range ores to low sec, but that's just me being a machiavellian BOFH.

Then you clearly do not know what a "sandbox" is. A sandbox has walls. It is a box. Within the box there is sand of which you may do whatever you want. In other words you have rules to follow but within those rules you can do whatever you want. That is a sandbox. EVE is a sandbox game. Yes...the rules change but that does not change the fact that it is still a sandbox. There is nothing that has changed that doesn't make sense. You are just butthurt that you can't be a pirate as easily anymore. You were making ISK at no risk beyond what you already planned for at the expense of other players that are defenseless. Now that the rules are tweaked to make things harder for you, you want to complain. It is that simple.

The carebears aren't ruining anything. They are playing the game how they want in the relative "safety" of High Sec. They happen to make the wheels of EVE turn. Without them you would be paying a lot more for your throwaway ships that you gank them with. Then your piracy would be nowhere near as profitable and you would lose out. Those miners do more for this game than you do killing ships.

You didn't really read it, did you.

Learn to read?

Remember the epic mmo Ultima Online? They ruin it, all that was left was a hollow game, with fever and bleeding diathesis...

NO I DO NOT LIKE IT RAAAAAAR MUST RAGE ABOUT BIG WORDS I CAN'T READ NOW

Seriously, kids: if you can't be arsed to do that much reading, you really don't belong on the internet.

I agree with a goon -- eve must be dying!

If you get a chance, thank Mittens for Jita and HAG.

edit -- @ the OP, I read about half of it, then :work: ... will finish later.

Carebears don't get griefed because they mine, they get griefed because they are content with playing the punching bag.

If you really wanted to stop miners getting shat all over, you would do ANYTHING but tell them to run evasion tactics. Especially the ones that are borderline-exploits.