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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
55
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Posted - 2012.04.28 05:54:00 -
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Corbin Blair wrote:EFF ONEF1 wrote:both sides are asking CCP to change/remove/nerf/buff they way the other side plays the game.
everyone is a hypocrite. No, actually. I agreed with the miners when they wanted better tanks for hulks. It's stupid that they can't fit a tank equivalent to other medium T2 ships. They have no hardpoints and tiny drone bays so it's not like they'll suddenly become uber combat ships. I also think high sec income should be nerfed severely. I haven't mined since the beginning of Eve, but when I did, I did it in a 0.2. I'm all for miners getting all the buffs they want. Believe it or not it's possible to be a miner who isn't a carebear. I'd love if they doubled the income from arkanor in fact. I do, however, want to nerf the **** out of carebears of all kinds and won't be happy until high sec income is appropriate for the newbie area that it is. I'd like level 3 mission income to be cut in half and level 4 missions and incursions to be moved to low sec.
Precisely. Ninja-nerf highsec by buffing low and null - problem solved. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1819
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Posted - 2012.04.28 05:57:00 -
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Jeeze Louise, thanks for providing us with this long winded bag of hot air. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
499
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Posted - 2012.04.28 06:00:00 -
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ATTAKowl wrote:I took a shot of whiskey every time the OP typed the word 'carebears' and now very drunkenly salute his outlook on the state of Eve! Long live PVP in EVERY region! His outlook seemed quite different from pvp in every region.
Uh, I think? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
55
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Posted - 2012.04.28 06:13:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Too long, didn't read most of it.
What I did read was hysterical garbage.
What you did not read was the truth about people like you. You don't need to read it as you already know it's true. |
Elvin Gizza
Gerek Ore And Moon Surveying
16
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Posted - 2012.04.28 06:20:00 -
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why didnt you write it with your main? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
499
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Posted - 2012.04.28 06:26:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Too long, didn't read most of it.
What I did read was hysterical garbage. What you did not read was the truth about people like you. You don't need to read it as you already know it's true. If they didn't read it, how would they know what was true?
Like they say, ignorance is bliss. Unlike mining ops in nullsec. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3914
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Posted - 2012.04.28 06:35:00 -
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Elvin Gizza wrote:why didnt you write it with your main?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=52796
looks like he did! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
302
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Posted - 2012.04.28 06:57:00 -
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You, OP, are an idiot. The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
252
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Posted - 2012.04.28 06:59:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:You, OP, are an idiot.
Say a person who wants to destroy the eve sandbox. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
302
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Posted - 2012.04.28 06:59:00 -
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Bill Lane wrote:Yay the idiot posts again! Poor little thing literally has nothing better to do than write up giant complaint threads. Seriously dude, get a girl, or a guy (whatever floats your boat), make a friend, mostly get a job. Nobody reads your long ass posts because they are ridiculously long and you are just whining and complaining. STFU because nobody cares. Thanks
Actually, I did read it. All of it.
And now I haz both teh sads and teh dumbz
The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
302
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Posted - 2012.04.28 07:06:00 -
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Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:Can someone read this and give me a one-sentence summary?
Not quite one-sentence, but close enough:
"Guys! Guys! This is the Mittani, and I swear, I and mine are still relevant! Really, we really are! Ummm...guys? Where you all goin', guys? Hey, come back!"
(Slowly fading whisper/whimper) "Guys...?"
The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3915
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Posted - 2012.04.28 07:09:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:Can someone read this and give me a one-sentence summary? Not quite one-sentence, but close enough: "Guys! Guys! This is the Mittani, and I swear, I and mine are still relevant! Really, we really are! Ummm...guys? Where you all goin', guys? Hey, come back!" (Slowly fading whisper/whimper) "Guys...?"
please keep talking about relevance, it's ironic coming from you "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
302
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Posted - 2012.04.28 07:14:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:You, OP, are an idiot. Say a person who wants to destroy the eve sandbox.
Pathetic little goon-fellator.
How's that goon-***** taste, then?
The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3917
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Posted - 2012.04.28 07:19:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:You, OP, are an idiot. Say a person who wants to destroy the eve sandbox. Pathetic little goon-fellator. How's that goon-***** taste, then?
i wonder what all this bitterness stems from "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
501
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Posted - 2012.04.28 07:24:00 -
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Andski wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:You, OP, are an idiot. Say a person who wants to destroy the eve sandbox. Pathetic little goon-fellator. How's that goon-***** taste, then? i wonder what all this bitterness stems from Failure. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
212
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Posted - 2012.04.28 08:12:00 -
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Wow another lunatic post. You should write books which noone reads. I had to switch my mouse wheel to a higher sensitivity to get to the bottom!
But thanks for posting and welcome to Eve, you are allowed to jettison what it's in your brain. Expect can flipping. Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
212
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Posted - 2012.04.28 08:13:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Bill Lane wrote:Yay the idiot posts again! Poor little thing literally has nothing better to do than write up giant complaint threads. Seriously dude, get a girl, or a guy (whatever floats your boat), make a friend, mostly get a job. Nobody reads your long ass posts because they are ridiculously long and you are just whining and complaining. STFU because nobody cares. Thanks Actually, I did read it. All of it. And now I haz both teh sads and teh dumbz
Watch all episodes of Star Trek Voyager, I think the brain damage would be equivalent. Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3917
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Posted - 2012.04.28 08:15:00 -
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Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Wow another lunatic post. You should write books which noone reads. I had to switch my mouse wheel to a higher sensitivity to get to the bottom!
But thanks for posting and welcome to Eve, you are allowed to jettison what it's in your brain. Expect can flipping.
another post that fails to discuss the subject matter
thanks for validating his points "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Gorenaire
Theosophical Society
4
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Posted - 2012.04.28 08:26:00 -
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1/ if you want people to read your post and give some serious thought about it, you should divide the length 10 times
2/ we re talking about a game here, its not like the meaning of life, isn't it ?
3/ what's teh big deal if people want to be risk free in high sec ?
4/ why "carebears" would be second class Eve citizens ?
5/ you realize that full pvp centric games are bad business model , right?
6/ teh carebears dont want to transform eve online into full pve, they just want to be left in peace in high sec minding their own business , whats wrong with that ? aren't they paying customers as you are ?
7/ following point 6, its seems to me that its rather you who want to impose your view about how htis game should be played
8/ there is more "carebears in low/null sec that in high sec, what's exactly blobbing apart try to outnumber your ennemies in order to not loose your ship ? why do you need 0.0 jump bridge, upgraded systems , and ocean of blue 20 jumps aroudn if you re so hardcore ?
9/ let the people play the game as they want , there is no better way of playing , be it pve or pvp, high sec or low or null sec. If you re so eager to pvp, why do you spend time ganking defenseless miners in high sec ?
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Danica Duan
Kronos TEchnologies
11
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Posted - 2012.04.28 08:36:00 -
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Like gigantic wind from butt, OP's shiptoast funny to hear but stink to high heaven. |
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Tango Zulu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.28 10:19:00 -
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Good read; very true, but I'd put an addendum in the last post:
A lot of people with little economic sense and a lot of impotent rage think that you're saying it will be a rainbow paradise if mining is removed from EVE. You should drive home that the inflation we're seeing is because of nullsec belt/sanctum botters and their as profitable (remember the "Should nullsec be equal to or more profitable than highsec?" meme?), but four times as pretentious counterparts, highsec mission botters. Trit wouldn't cost more than 1.5 ISK/u if no one would pay that much, and the producers who made less profit off selling their assembled ravens and drakes would turn around and buy the same things they're buying now, just at a lower price. The flood of ISK coming in each day from automated sources is what's giving you your high prices, not your supply of minerals. Cutting the supply of minerals would only raise the price if the economy is in a perpetual state of inflation that will pay them increasing prices for the same thing.
Lets say you fatties sold hotdogs for a living, and you could for some reason alter events in history. Now if you curbed the effects of inflation that over time took your hotdogs from $0.25 to $1.50 (I haven't bought a hot dog at a stand in years, I don't know, these prices are arbitrary), would you still charge $1.50 to keep making the same amount of revenue, even though your expenses were 1/6th what they'd normally be? No, not if you wanted to stay in business anyways. As this economy is a network of items tied together, like a real one, you'd take your profits off your $0.25 hotdogs, and go to another stand after you sold a few, and buy yourself a $0.25 hamburger, because they wouldn't have raised their price either.
illegally exploited ISK faucets are the reason for your ship prices. That's not what this is about. It is about breaking the fundamental principles of this game: a game of risk-to-reward ratios where the least risky place is adequately rewarding to not go out to greener pastures. Pastures that were greened with the most underrated fertilizer in history: blood.
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Brock Khan
SQUINGEL GIANTSBANE.
23
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Posted - 2012.04.28 10:22:00 -
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Mentorm wrote:Too Long Didn't Read
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3922
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Posted - 2012.04.28 10:25:00 -
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Gorenaire wrote:3/ what's teh big deal if people want to be risk free in high sec ?
4/ why "carebears" would be second class Eve citizens ?
5/ you realize that full pvp centric games are bad business model , right?
3) not the game for them 4) bottom rung of the ladder 5) counterpoint: eve's been running since 2003 just fine "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
667
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Posted - 2012.04.28 10:30:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Quote: Maybe I'm misreading the intent of the question then. What I'm seeing is a question of "If my primary activities are not PvP, am I welcome by people who live in PvP space?" This is considerably different from asking, "I'm new, can I PvP with you guys?"
It did specifically say that he was willing to learn PvP.
Let me start from the last sentence: he did specifically say that yet since he mentioned PvE he has not been answered at all. Coincidence?
Because a big issues is not (just) about being carebear or not, but just being forced into "THE ONE AND RIGHT SANDBOX". This reeks of WoW, with the only difference than in EvE it's players imposing their canned path upon you.
Corbin Blair wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:- If you want to join a 0.0 corp as PvEer you are seen as worthless garbage.
He said he was willing to learn to PvP. Most people don't have a problem with PvE. It's not like nullbears don't PvE all the time themselves. What they have a problem with is people refusing to pull their own weight and sit there and mine while everyone else is out dying. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: - If you want to join a 0.0 corp as industrialist they tell "lol we already have indy alts nor we'll give you access to the POSes".
- If you want to join a 0.0 corp as miner they tell you "LOL no we don't want botters".
Join a different corp then. They sound like muppets anyway. You're obviously not going to get POS access on day one in any corp though for security reasons.
I have joined several, they all suck. The only one that was great, was Dark Rising, but besides they were absolutely focused only on PvP, the commitment required was measured in multiple PvP hours a day. While it was much fun, I just did not have the time for that any more.
I join an hi sec mercs corp doing exactly this every day since about a week (have 0 industry skills on this character anyway). What you say does not work, you seem only to have practice on the forums.
If you want to really kill suicide gankers there's a quite delicate SEBO insta-lock setup that works when the ganker gets there (most are -10 sec), involving at least 2 ships. The defending group has miner + 2 required high skilled pilots. Even then, it takes few seconds not paying total attention and something like a Mackinaw will be melted in few instants under your eyes.
Also, apathy, really? The bots have been mostly wiped off, even in ice belts. Bots were nicely squashed by CCP Sreegs, there are 1-2 in 10 now (were 8 in 10 till before Fanfest). The other miners woke up, started hiring defense merc corps, they communicate incoming known hostiles and so on. Stop the prejudices, times are changing. Slowly but surely.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
667
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Posted - 2012.04.28 10:32:00 -
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Andski wrote:Gorenaire wrote:3/ what's teh big deal if people want to be risk free in high sec ?
4/ why "carebears" would be second class Eve citizens ?
5/ you realize that full pvp centric games are bad business model , right? 3) not the game for them 4) bottom rung of the ladder 5) counterpoint: eve's been running since 2003 just fine
Counter-counter point: in the "golden age" of super pro committed PVPers EvE counted 30k subs, not 300k.
You need the bottom rungs of the ladders. As a bonus they give many baddies the feeling of being pro.
Siobhan MacLeary wrote: Can't? More like won't. Go gank the gankers, that's doing something about it. Learn to fly and fit a destroyer. There's nothing except your own apathy preventing you from taking action and fighting back.
I join an hi sec mercs corp doing exactly this every day since about a week (have 0 industry skills on this character anyway). What you say does not work, you seem only to have practice on the forums.
If you want to really kill suicide gankers there's a quite delicate SEBO insta-lock setup that works when the ganker gets there (most are -10 sec), involving at least 2 ships. The defending group has miner + 2 required high skilled pilots. Even then, it takes few seconds not paying total attention and something like a Mackinaw will be melted in few instants under your eyes.
Also, apathy, really? The bots have been mostly wiped off, even in ice belts. Bots were nicely squashed by CCP Sreegs, there are 1-2 in 10 now (were 8 in 10 till before Fanfest). The other miners woke up, started hiring defense merc corps, they communicate incoming known hostiles and so on. Stop the prejudices, times are changing. Slowly but surely. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.04.28 10:34:00 -
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Corbin Blair wrote:What are you supposed to be anyway, my good twin?
The resemblance is uncanny. |
Farrisen
MoaR ChickeN
71
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Posted - 2012.04.28 11:02:00 -
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Mentorm wrote:Too Long Didn't Read
^This http://i.imgur.com/DWBuV.png
Originally by: CCP Spitfire: It's because of falcon. |
Gorenaire
Theosophical Society
5
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Posted - 2012.04.28 11:03:00 -
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Andski wrote:Gorenaire wrote:3/ what's teh big deal if people want to be risk free in high sec ?
4/ why "carebears" would be second class Eve citizens ?
5/ you realize that full pvp centric games are bad business model , right? 3) not the game for them 4) bottom rung of the ladder 5) counterpoint: eve's been running since 2003 just fine
Eve has been runnning fine since 2003 because it offers a wide range of environment, from relative high sec safety to full blown pvp environment with no local like wormholes. Now if you remove the notion of protected space like high sec and low sec sentries, the subs would dive big timeand in the end, subscriptions are what matter. |
Tango Zulu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.28 11:11:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote: Anything by this unique snowflake.
Wait, you do realize the near-crushing weight of the irony of you even existing in this thread for reasons other than complete and utter approval, right?
Your corporation name is "Crushed Ambitions" if you never noticed. If this applies to others, you're acknowledging that EVE has an element of PvP that is integral to your playstyle, or at least the people who manage your corp do. Where the aforementioned carebears wish total safety, we combat-oriented people want it to be as variable as anywhere, just the penalties to be more severe in highsec. This provides the balance. Damaging security status and standings making you a target everywhere, guaranteed loss of your ship, and I even approve of the removal of insurance payout from deaths from Concord. These punish you, and make you pick your targets with more care. Entirely favoring one side or another leads to losing more people, because it shows favoritism. If you threaten to leave because you're not the favorite this time, instead of trying to balance it (or in the case of the people we've been talking about, if you've ever been treated as not the favorite for more than seven seconds), we're probably better off without you, because now a better game can flourish and attract more people who will be actually playing >0% of the time.
*Here's the part where you say: "But you complained about Incarna, and got most of it set back because they reallocated resources to your toys!"*
No, we reallocated assets back to EVE from paying to be beta testers for a game without a release date.
"But what about titan tracking and doomsdays; huh, huh, HUH?"
No again. What did we say about balance? Do you want Concord killing those who suicide gank you in highsec? Yes? Then you are agreeing that you don't want those who kill you to be able to with impunity unless they earn it by having better tactics or sometimes simply having more on the field. A couple Titans shouldn't be able to kill fleets in nullsec unkillably, the same way a suicide ganker shouldn't be able to kill everyone who doesn't fit guns in highsec with impunity in a single ship. Balance.
On the other hand, if your corp name applies to yourself you're the type to quit and whine when things don't go your way... Which would explain much of your reasoning. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
894
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Posted - 2012.04.28 11:23:00 -
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Gorenaire wrote:1/ if you want people to read your post and give some serious thought about it, you should divide the length 10 times
2/ we re talking about a game here, its not like the meaning of life, isn't it ?
3/ what's teh big deal if people want to be risk free in high sec ?
4/ why "carebears" would be second class Eve citizens ?
5/ you realize that full pvp centric games are bad business model , right?
6/ teh carebears dont want to transform eve online into full pve, they just want to be left in peace in high sec minding their own business , whats wrong with that ? aren't they paying customers as you are ?
7/ following point 6, its seems to me that its rather you who want to impose your view about how htis game should be played
8/ there is more "carebears in low/null sec that in high sec, what's exactly blobbing apart try to outnumber your ennemies in order to not loose your ship ? why do you need 0.0 jump bridge, upgraded systems , and ocean of blue 20 jumps aroudn if you re so hardcore ?
9/ let the people play the game as they want , there is no better way of playing , be it pve or pvp, high sec or low or null sec. If you re so eager to pvp, why do you spend time ganking defenseless miners in high sec ?
1. Long yes, but it was a hell of a lot better than a fair portion of what you see on the forums here.
2. Internet spaceships is serious business
3. Wrong game. EvE isn't for everyone, and that's something we have to accept.
4. Because they fight tooth and nail to have the danger element removed from the game, in order to AFK-mine in a pimp hulk
5. Seems to have been working just fine for the last 9 years or so. When CCP moved away from that business model (the :18 months: era), they ended up going into a tail spin.
6. People have to realize that this isn't "every other MMO" (AKA WOW). Just read the "Features and Ideas" section for a week. You'll almost daily see new posts of "so, I can't be bothered to look up every other terribad [power-leveling|arena|hisec should be safe|etc] idea that is exactly like mine, because I'm a special little snowflake and my idea is original." I AM AN EMPIRE MINER and every ******* one of these ideas makes a little part of me die inside. Sure, I'd love to go back out to null, but after dealing with Molle and the bullshit politics out that way (remember BoB? I was there when they accidentally themselves), it's just not for me ... maybe someday I'll head back out there.
7. CCP has allowed ... no, encouraged the player-created events and "stories" that come out of these events (including the unwanted and unexpected violencing of one's ships). Yeah, there have been a few cases of them stepping in (notably m0o), but in general they leave us to our own devices. When you lose something, best response is "I didn't want that [ship] anyway"
8. They did take that space from someone. JBs and the other stuff are just a bonus for "OK, you threw 900 billion isk into this campaign, and it paid off".
9. "If you're not with me, you're with them" ... think about it for a bit (hint: drone and mission loot nerfs) |
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