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Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.04.28 11:36:00 -
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this rant is TLDR, but i read it cos i wanted to understand the peverse mindset behind it, call it intelectual curiosity, but hey his main is a goon so we expect low intensity thinking.
Sadly OP is delusional, thinks carebears made incarna happen when it was greed of some of CCP-¦s higher management, which everyone went apeshit over, carebears and yarrs alike who not blinded by the $ signs all realised that only a few stations would ever be viable as fully functional dynamic incarna locations a fact that many in CCP missed (and still do today).
All the -¦nerfs-¦, i.e the loss of insurance for gank squads which had to be larger to counter a buffed concord that was then avoided by bomerangs which while neat was only because CCP never really thought about concord-¦s role and how to effectivly do it, its an authorised gank so they should scram and web offenders, so is it the loss of isk causing grief and not by PvP he is maoning about or CCP actually begining to think about it properly?. The war dec things, well they are also avoided by getting on an alt and doing stuff elsewhere, so is that a call for 1 account with 1 character per real life person as the new norm with a SS number like the china server requires/d?
Op the gets desulional about high sec being safe, ffs did he forget his meds?, with all the follow on ranting really is about bots, which deserve to be killed (and i do at an average 70m loss) and permabanned, and ppl who gather wealth by mining to support all those POS-¦s and make all those ships, mods and everything else in eve that he uses every time he logs on.
Null sec died as as things scaled up everything had to change, if your alliance holds a decent amount of space and defends it well mining with in a rorqual fleet produces great returns and makes logistics just moon goods out and what ever is available cheaper in high sec than to produce in so ur not running one way empty, sound economics, hey how may plex does the largest richest alliances make and spread about a month (no cash changing hands ever, nudge nudge, wink wink).
In eve your always target, that will never change, its essential to what eve is, the cost of killing that target varies and he just wants it cheap so he dont have to mission on his alts so much to pay for it maybe?, or is it that he hates the base of everything in eve, you know the people who make his ships and mods happen?, or if he supplies his own does he hate himself?.
James look in mirror and wonder at your intelectual shallowness, CCP will always be changing eve, its evolutionary, it grows and as it does what was useful is no long so, you were born with an appendix, you should understand that change happens, but you undock and you are a target, that will never change no matter if your a carebear a yarr or just multi talented, as that is eve and its philosophy at its essence. |
Citizen Smif
DarK IntenTionZ Stop Exploding You Cowards
90
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Posted - 2012.04.28 11:37:00 -
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The Fuhrer is back. Hail! |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
55
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Posted - 2012.04.28 12:11:00 -
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Gorenaire wrote:Andski wrote:Gorenaire wrote:3/ what's teh big deal if people want to be risk free in high sec ?
4/ why "carebears" would be second class Eve citizens ?
5/ you realize that full pvp centric games are bad business model , right? 3) not the game for them 4) bottom rung of the ladder 5) counterpoint: eve's been running since 2003 just fine Eve has been runnning fine since 2003 because it offers a wide range of environment, from relative high sec safety to full blown pvp environment with no local like wormholes. Now if you remove the notion of protected space like high sec and low sec sentries, the subs would dive big timeand in the end, subscriptions are what matter.
The point is that if highsec PVP gets nerfed to a degree where it is no longer feasible, EVE will cease to be what it is. The only alternative for CCP would be to nerf highsec income hardcore, as in making it 10 times less profitable be either reducing income in high or boosting low/null. If I can be at 80% income rate with 100% safety, why would I bother taking even 1% risk? 35bil mission ships would be the standard in highsec, grinding ISK at an even faster rate than your average cost-efficient ship in low/null.
If your vision of EVE has room for a 100% risk-free environment which also provides relatively good income then perhaps your should find a different game. Who do you think shows up at fanfest? PVPers. Who was there initially when EVE began? PVPers. Who constitutes the backbone of the advertised EVE gameplay? PVPers. Who engages in meaningful/long lasting/world-changing events? You guessed right: PVPers. The pure PVEer could play EVE Offline and have the same impact on the world.
They day CCP mans up and decides to take the unsub hit from all those self-righteous carebears, that will be one glorious day indeed. If on the other hand EVE becomes another carebear MMO, I won't even feel bad leaving the game as the game would no longer exist. Either scenario works for me to be honest, my life does not depend on me being successful in EVE Online. |
Etil DeLaFuente
New Eclipse Initiative Mercenaries
5
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Posted - 2012.04.28 12:26:00 -
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Show us on the doll where BoB touched you.
Apart from that, op made some valid points, Eve is PVP and must remain that way whatever sec status system you are in.
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
55
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Posted - 2012.04.28 13:16:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I skipped truckloads of OP drivel to focus on this: James 315 wrote: They may have spent years logged in, but did they ever experience anything? The first time the game evoked a genuine human emotion from the miner is when he saw me kill his ship. When he was spending his years carting around ore, it was not EVE--it was a joke. When I arrived in his ice field, having carefully crafted a way to destroy his supposedly invincible ship, and having painstakingly calculated the means to kill his supposedly unkillable pod--that was the first time he ever played EVE. He would say it was an act of griefing. I would call it a masterpiece. He should be, if not grateful for being killed, at least appreciative of the art.
And what about the carebear's vision? What do carebears want to do in their fantasy EVE, a sterilized PvE game? For the most part, nothing.
Who are you to decide how others are meant to play or how good has to be their experience in EvE? Leave to CCP to mediate between the differing requests. Edit: Profanity removed, CCP Phantom
LOL all I read is: bla bla bla, I got owned by CCP Phantom.
But in all seriousness, care to explain why do you play EVE, the best SCI-FI PVP MMO as it is advertised? Sounds like you are then one imposing playstyles for a SCI-FI PVE SOLO which is why no PVPer will take your opinion seriously. This is OUR game, not yours. As long as I can keep doing solo PVE outside of highsec quite easily, I will never support your closed-minded opinion.
If you want no risks, why should you get any reward? |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.04.28 13:22:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:
But in all seriousness, care to explain why do you play EVE, the best SCI-FI PVP MMO as it is advertised?
For the Sci-fi and the persistent game world with other people in it. The pvp itself is unappealing.
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Max Essen
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
11
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Posted - 2012.04.28 13:29:00 -
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OP needs to seek professional help. Massive post, whining about how "others" playstyle is bad.
Get a grip. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
55
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Posted - 2012.04.28 13:37:00 -
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Razgriz Shaishi wrote:Read all of it, and I must say, I am amazed by the depths of your obsession. You have reached a new, never before seen level of obsession on the internet, and that is quite a feat. Now please register for residence in the nearest insane asylum.
"I came, I read, I trolled".
I lolled. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
55
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Posted - 2012.04.28 13:46:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:
But in all seriousness, care to explain why do you play EVE, the best SCI-FI PVP MMO as it is advertised?
For the Sci-fi and the persistent game world with other people in it. The pvp itself is unappealing.
Then you got the wrong game brah, and I don't want you to like PVP because I do. It just sucks you play a game where PVP is all around you, even in highsec, right? Removing PVP from anywhere would hurt what the game was initially all about. Do you really so openly demand EVE to mold into wow-in-space? |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
61
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Posted - 2012.04.28 13:53:00 -
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Max Essen wrote:OP needs to seek professional help. Massive post, whining about how "others" playstyle is bad.
Get a grip.
He's whining because the "others" who play in such a way are not content to just play. They want to ruin the game for everyone else.(not like goons though, they want to change how the game works)
Most of the critics in this thread really show that people critic what they cant even be bothered to read or simply understand **** all of what they read.
I'm really inclined to think the unwillingness to read is tied to the known inability to understand so in the end most people criticizing are just stupid and ignorant. |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2012.04.28 13:54:00 -
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Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Bill Lane wrote:Yay the idiot posts again! Poor little thing literally has nothing better to do than write up giant complaint threads. Seriously dude, get a girl, or a guy (whatever floats your boat), make a friend, mostly get a job. Nobody reads your long ass posts because they are ridiculously long and you are just whining and complaining. STFU because nobody cares. Thanks Actually, I did read it. All of it. And now I haz both teh sads and teh dumbz Watch all episodes of Star Trek Voyager, I think the brain damage would be equivalent.
no... Enterprise. I liked Voyager
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
451
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Posted - 2012.04.28 13:55:00 -
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Andski wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:Can someone read this and give me a one-sentence summary? Not quite one-sentence, but close enough: "Guys! Guys! This is the Mittani, and I swear, I and mine are still relevant! Really, we really are! Ummm...guys? Where you all goin', guys? Hey, come back!" (Slowly fading whisper/whimper) "Guys...?" please keep talking about relevance, it's ironic coming from you
Hey where you been Andski? You havent been posting almost
...thirty days....
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
61
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Posted - 2012.04.28 13:56:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Takseen wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:
But in all seriousness, care to explain why do you play EVE, the best SCI-FI PVP MMO as it is advertised?
For the Sci-fi and the persistent game world with other people in it. The pvp itself is unappealing. Then you got the wrong game brah, and I don't want you to like PVP because I do. It just sucks you play a game where PVP is all around you, even in highsec, right? Removing PVP from anywhere would hurt what the game was initially all about. Do you really so openly demand EVE to mold into wow-in-space?
Also i'd like to point out something: removing pvp from eve would not turn into wow.
Wow pve content was actually amazingly well done (at least years ago when i played). And pvp was built to compliment pve.
Eve pve is worse than tetris and is built to allow you to pvp.
So if you damage pvp in anyway you're left with nothing, or worse than nothing. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
451
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Posted - 2012.04.28 13:58:00 -
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Gorenaire wrote:Andski wrote:Gorenaire wrote:3/ what's teh big deal if people want to be risk free in high sec ?
4/ why "carebears" would be second class Eve citizens ?
5/ you realize that full pvp centric games are bad business model , right? 3) not the game for them 4) bottom rung of the ladder 5) counterpoint: eve's been running since 2003 just fine Eve has been runnning fine since 2003 because it offers a wide range of environment, from relative high sec safety to full blown pvp environment with no local like wormholes. Now if you remove the notion of protected space like high sec and low sec sentries, the subs would dive big timeand in the end, subscriptions are what matter.
If this wasnt true we'd still be "watching what they do not listening to what they say"
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
451
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:00:00 -
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stupid too many quotes
Just Alter wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:Takseen wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:
But in all seriousness, care to explain why do you play EVE, the best SCI-FI PVP MMO as it is advertised?
For the Sci-fi and the persistent game world with other people in it. The pvp itself is unappealing. Then you got the wrong game brah, and I don't want you to like PVP because I do. It just sucks you play a game where PVP is all around you, even in highsec, right? Removing PVP from anywhere would hurt what the game was initially all about. Do you really so openly demand EVE to mold into wow-in-space? Also i'd like to point out something: removing pvp from eve would not turn into wow. Wow pve content was actually amazingly well done (at least years ago when i played). And pvp was built to compliment pve. Eve pve is worse than tetris and is built to allow you to pvp. So if you damage pvp in anyway you're left with nothing, or worse than nothing.
agreed. I dont wanna pvp myself but PVP provides the thrill where I could die at any time thst I dont get from most other games. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
55
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:06:00 -
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Gerald Taric wrote:OP tries to hit Gerald with MASSIVE POSTING. "TL;DR" shild from Geralds ship repels it. Before i read all of this massive wall of words, i wish to know one thing: I myself consider me being a (proud) carebear, because i avoid PvP and prefer PvE action in WH- and HighSec-space. Nevertheless ... i'm pretty fine with the " there's no save place in EVE" and do NOT want it to be removed. In fact i consider it as a challenge. Therefore ... how is a carebear defined in EVE?
You sir, are no carebear. Mystery solved. We can be friends and call each other carebears if you wish though |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:11:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Takseen wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:
But in all seriousness, care to explain why do you play EVE, the best SCI-FI PVP MMO as it is advertised?
For the Sci-fi and the persistent game world with other people in it. The pvp itself is unappealing. Then you got the wrong game brah, and I don't want you to like PVP because I do. It just sucks you play a game where PVP is all around you, even in highsec, right? Removing PVP from anywhere would hurt what the game was initially all about. Do you really so openly demand EVE to mold into wow-in-space?
I do like Pvp. I just don't like Eve's pvp, so I don't participate in it. If you want more people to participate in the pvp, writing multi-page manifestos about how people who don't like Eve's pvp are Playing The Game Wrong won't do you any good.
You either make the pvp more appealing, or you accept that the type of pvp you enjoy isn't very popular.
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
0
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:12:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:Takseen wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:
But in all seriousness, care to explain why do you play EVE, the best SCI-FI PVP MMO as it is advertised?
For the Sci-fi and the persistent game world with other people in it. The pvp itself is unappealing. Then you got the wrong game brah, and I don't want you to like PVP because I do. It just sucks you play a game where PVP is all around you, even in highsec, right? Removing PVP from anywhere would hurt what the game was initially all about. Do you really so openly demand EVE to mold into wow-in-space? I do like Pvp. I just don't like Eve's pvp, so I don't participate in it. If you want more people to participate in the pvp, writing multi-page manifestos about how people who don't like Eve's pvp are Playing The Game Wrong won't do you any good. You either make the pvp more appealing, or you accept that the type of pvp you enjoy isn't very popular.
EvE Online is not the game for you. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
452
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:14:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Takseen wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:Takseen wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:
But in all seriousness, care to explain why do you play EVE, the best SCI-FI PVP MMO as it is advertised?
For the Sci-fi and the persistent game world with other people in it. The pvp itself is unappealing. Then you got the wrong game brah, and I don't want you to like PVP because I do. It just sucks you play a game where PVP is all around you, even in highsec, right? Removing PVP from anywhere would hurt what the game was initially all about. Do you really so openly demand EVE to mold into wow-in-space? I do like Pvp. I just don't like Eve's pvp, so I don't participate in it. If you want more people to participate in the pvp, writing multi-page manifestos about how people who don't like Eve's pvp are Playing The Game Wrong won't do you any good. You either make the pvp more appealing, or you accept that the type of pvp you enjoy isn't very popular. EvE Online is not the game for you.
also; telling other ppl what game is/isnt for them really doesnt help plus I dont see how making PVP better/more popular makex EVE bnot the game for the poster. Are you saying EVE's PVP is traditionally boring and must stay that way? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:15:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote: EvE Online is not the game for you.
My subscription fees say otherwise.
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
55
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:15:00 -
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Kestrix wrote:Corbin Blair wrote:Kestrix wrote:Thats wrong, Null sec mining does happen and is very profitable. Says the guy in the high sec corp. And of course I couldn't possibley have firends in other none hi-sec corps. Infact I'm in the process of moving out to null sec, you guys play too rough in Hi-sec for me.
We're just bustin' your balls. But I have seen the true face of null mining... and it is scary. |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
64
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:15:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Gerald Taric wrote:OP tries to hit Gerald with MASSIVE POSTING. "TL;DR" shild from Geralds ship repels it. Before i read all of this massive wall of words, i wish to know one thing: I myself consider me being a (proud) carebear, because i avoid PvP and prefer PvE action in WH- and HighSec-space. Nevertheless ... i'm pretty fine with the " there's no save place in EVE" and do NOT want it to be removed. In fact i consider it as a challenge. Therefore ... how is a carebear defined in EVE? You sir, are no carebear. Mystery solved. We can be friends and call each other carebears if you wish though
This thread is not bashing carebears, it is bashing whiny misguided witless idiots who wants to ruin the game by changing its rules.
Being a carebear is fine, being an evil moronic ****** who want to ruin eve for everyone it's not. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
56
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:17:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:Takseen wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:
But in all seriousness, care to explain why do you play EVE, the best SCI-FI PVP MMO as it is advertised?
For the Sci-fi and the persistent game world with other people in it. The pvp itself is unappealing. Then you got the wrong game brah, and I don't want you to like PVP because I do. It just sucks you play a game where PVP is all around you, even in highsec, right? Removing PVP from anywhere would hurt what the game was initially all about. Do you really so openly demand EVE to mold into wow-in-space? I do like Pvp. I just don't like Eve's pvp, so I don't participate in it. If you want more people to participate in the pvp, writing multi-page manifestos about how people who don't like Eve's pvp are Playing The Game Wrong won't do you any good. You either make the pvp more appealing, or you accept that the type of pvp you enjoy isn't very popular.
The worst part is that the OP actually covers the point you just made. Seriously. |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
65
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:18:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:Takseen wrote:Thor Kerrigan wrote:
But in all seriousness, care to explain why do you play EVE, the best SCI-FI PVP MMO as it is advertised?
For the Sci-fi and the persistent game world with other people in it. The pvp itself is unappealing. Then you got the wrong game brah, and I don't want you to like PVP because I do. It just sucks you play a game where PVP is all around you, even in highsec, right? Removing PVP from anywhere would hurt what the game was initially all about. Do you really so openly demand EVE to mold into wow-in-space? I do like Pvp. I just don't like Eve's pvp, so I don't participate in it. If you want more people to participate in the pvp, writing multi-page manifestos about how people who don't like Eve's pvp are Playing The Game Wrong won't do you any good. You either make the pvp more appealing, or you accept that the type of pvp you enjoy isn't very popular.
Aaaaahhhhhh why will nobody read the first post?
I dont really like eve pvp too much myself (at least ~elite pvp~). I very much prefer an fps or an RTS for pvp.
This is not the issue here: if you dont like pvp fine, just dont whine to have the game changed! |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
452
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:19:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Vaju Enki wrote: EvE Online is not the game for you.
My subscription fees say otherwise. Edit : And if Eve's pvp is super duper fine as it is, why are CCP devoting an entire expansion to basically fixing wardecs and Faction Warfare?
Theyre not fixing Faction Warfare as much as theyre forcing all of t2 research though it.
And I dont understand AT ALL how EVE isnt the game for you when you said make PVP more interesting. Sounds like EVE isnt the game for him given he thinks EVE PVP ISNT interesting. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:20:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote: The worst part is that the OP actually covers the point you just made. Seriously.
He could have covered the Grandfather Paradox and the Unified Field Theory for all I can remember. The posts weren't well written enough for me to bother reading them at length. I'll go back and have a look so. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
2
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:22:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Vaju Enki wrote: EvE Online is not the game for you.
My subscription fees say otherwise. Edit : And if Eve's pvp is super duper fine as it is, why are CCP devoting an entire expansion to basically fixing wardecs and Faction Warfare?
It is just say that you have no clue in what you spend your money on.
Some people buy fps games i don't like fps games, some pay EvE subscription and don't like EvE. Carebears are wierd. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
56
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:22:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Vaju Enki wrote: EvE Online is not the game for you.
My subscription fees say otherwise.
So if I subscribe to a Tango dance class, then demand them to teach me Baseball because I payed for GODDAMN BASEBALL, my argument still holds?
c'mon maaan!
We all signed up for this, some us will like the game other won't. I'm sorry you lost your money, I truly am. |
Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
22
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:25:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Given forum readers' complaints about the length of my previous manifesto, I opted to keep it short and sweet this time. My motto is that you should never use 20,000 words when 15,000 will do.
I quickly scrolled down after reading this and realized..... If your first statement was untrue, what value could there be in anything else you had to say?
TL;DR
One premise that you do base your argument on is not clearly based on facts. You do not make a good connection between HiSec mining somehow eliminating Null sec PVP and Null Sec mining.
The only reason why there is less Null sec PVP is because there are fewer Null sec miners. There are fewer Null sec miners, because the Null Sec PvPers were too good at what they did. This drove the Null sec miners to do a cost-benefit analysis and they came to one conclusion. Less reward and less risk has a better payout in the long term.
Now the Hi Sec space is cluttered with miners. Mining everything they can get their lasers into. They are here because Null Sec PVP is threatening EVE. Sooner or later, the miners will find there are no roids to pick clean in Hi sec. They will move back to low / Null sec. The PVPers will follow their prey.
We are back to square one!
What you have here is the laws of nature and supply and demand economics working together, Neither PVE mining or PVE ganking are killing the game. They are just creating an ever cyclic migration pattern. To join Heimatar Military Industries-á visit website or conatct Bluddwolf in-gamewww.hmi.guildlaunch.com |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
682
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:31:00 -
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So, CCP nerfs and buffs things to change flavour of the month/year ships and/or tactics. Keeps EVE fresh for all player styles - OP doesn't like.
Just about sums it up |
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