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Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:21:00 -
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Janecomando wrote:Goons are terrorists of eve first off. They kill off anything that doesn't benafit them. If your blue to them your mearly a pawn in play at the momment or scared as **** of them. If you have seen any of thier recuitment causes you would agree. give us all your **** or sell it to us out in nullsec for some blah blah... either way its a retained system they have out there and coming down to highsec to blow the **** out of hulks is only hleping them to fund **** like nuken jita or w/e. They try to take all your eve worldly possesions because at that point your back down to noob status and completely dependant on them so they look like the hero. But in all honesty its slavery one oh one. Them attacking the bots fine that helped eve and kicked ccp in the ass and got them moving on the bot issue (sorry russians lol).
I've mined in all sec status in eve. Not a pro by any means, but I know this much. In eve as a noob who do you go to for a ship? The locals that supply you with your first cheap ship around thier "birth place" or the spot that all the skill books are. not null, so highsec miners are completly dependant on nullsec minerals or wh minerals either way two ways to get it. at no point do i see how highsec miners who don't pvp effect nullsec. miners mine the place ore is without resistance. so your pvp effects the miners in nullsec. I don't know one ******* miner who would mine while a enemy fleet was near by. ofc there is a exception with gankers but all they do is profit off of hard earned isk threw ganking for no reason but goons used you as pawn so they could sell more ships. I mean really are you all retards who don't get it. Greifing only helps the people who sponsore the ganking why would they pay you so much dam isk per gank. because it benafits them in some way. anyone ganking miners are all goons bitches you all are slaves for the bigger picture.
But don't looks for ccp to do anything about this bc goons does nothing but encourage more players sinking plex's into eve. so this act will never be banned. all it says is oh I like being goons ***** and like shooting **** that won't shoot me back. so yall are really the ultimate carebears complaining over the justifications of killing miners and the only way it effects nullsec is pilots jumpclone down to do some stupid **** and goons get more isk off hulk and destroyer production.
w/e this is my rant and i don't see how miners in highsec will ever be pvpers in null. the pvper that is sponserd by the highsec miner might move the miner out to null with him bc he has a eye on the situation but in the end its a logistical nightmare with trust issues and the limitations of the layout of your sov and what the stations offer at entry level. highsec doesn't care and i only have one question for goons and test.
Are you mad bro with that you can't control?
Good god...
I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is really, really dumb. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
482
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:22:00 -
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half the carebears in highsec are alts of lowsec, nullsec and wh sec players. My main lives in lowsec. This one and 3 others are in high all the time. Your argument is bad and you should feel bad. I have more space likes than you.-á |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1262
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:23:00 -
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James 315 wrote:[list]
In multiple instances, CCP has sped up CONCORD response time, giving suicide gankers less time to kill their targets and requiring them to use more and more firepower. In response to the infamous jihadswarm attacks on miners, CCP buffed CONCORD and greatly increased the penalties to security status for gankers. This was intended to force gankers to either spend a lot more time grinding security status, or quit the practice. On at least one occasion, CCP granted an across-the-board buff to hitpoints on all ships, for the purpose of "increasing the length of fights." This measure did little to affect ordinary combat but increased the difficulty of killing miners before CONCORD's arrival.
And yet it is still easy for a -10 to gank a Hulk in hisec with a single destroyer. I am not seeing any indication here that hisec PvP is threatened,
Sockpuppet wrote:And the insurance nerf, of course. Just a few months ago, the miners were telling everyone who would listen that it was the end of suicide ganking. I heard it directly from miners in local who gloated about the new present they were being given. I mocked the miners' arrogance in the first manifesto for that very reason. They predicted total safety for carebears, and I predicted more ganking. I was right. But what happened next? Because gankings still occurred, carebears begged CCP for "one more nerf," to eliminate boomerang gankers.
The intent of CONCORD is to punish the perpetrator for committing a crime. It was intended that there should be no way to evade CONCORD. It was the gankers over-exploiting a mechanic to evade CONCORD that led to this nerf,
Sockpuppet wrote:Were the highsec miners satisfied with the elimination of boomerang gankers? No. Within days after boomeranging was declared an exploit, the carebears were back at it, begging for hitpoint buffs to their exhumers.
The call for buffs to Hulks has been going for many years longer than you indicate, and has not generally been in response to suicide ganks, but in response to perceived imbalance between Hulks and other T2 ships of similar size. Every miner knows that the way to avoid suicide ganking is to not be where the gankers are.
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Arcan Winter
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:24:00 -
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Not sure if OP or the highsec carebears cry most, but im keen to believe its the former. |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
168
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:25:00 -
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Well said. I play Eve because of the piracy, the intrigue, and the wars. I won't cry crocodile tears to CCP when my number's up. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Valerius Kavees
Pilipino Corp C0NVICTED
1
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:26:00 -
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Janecomando wrote:Goons are terrorists of eve first off. They kill off anything that doesn't benafit them. If your blue to them your mearly a pawn in play at the momment or scared as **** of them. If you have seen any of thier recuitment causes you would agree. give us all your **** or sell it to us out in nullsec for some blah blah... either way its a retained system they have out there and coming down to highsec to blow the **** out of hulks is only hleping them to fund **** like nuken jita or w/e. They try to take all your eve worldly possesions because at that point your back down to noob status and completely dependant on them so they look like the hero. But in all honesty its slavery one oh one. Them attacking the bots fine that helped eve and kicked ccp in the ass and got them moving on the bot issue (sorry russians lol).
I've mined in all sec status in eve. Not a pro by any means, but I know this much. In eve as a noob who do you go to for a ship? The locals that supply you with your first cheap ship around thier "birth place" or the spot that all the skill books are. not null, so highsec miners are completly dependant on nullsec minerals or wh minerals either way two ways to get it. at no point do i see how highsec miners who don't pvp effect nullsec. miners mine the place ore is without resistance. so your pvp effects the miners in nullsec. I don't know one ******* miner who would mine while a enemy fleet was near by. ofc there is a exception with gankers but all they do is profit off of hard earned isk threw ganking for no reason but goons used you as pawn so they could sell more ships. I mean really are you all retards who don't get it. Greifing only helps the people who sponsore the ganking why would they pay you so much dam isk per gank. because it benafits them in some way. anyone ganking miners are all goons bitches you all are slaves for the bigger picture.
But don't looks for ccp to do anything about this bc goons does nothing but encourage more players sinking plex's into eve. so this act will never be banned. all it says is oh I like being goons ***** and like shooting **** that won't shoot me back. so yall are really the ultimate carebears complaining over the justifications of killing miners and the only way it effects nullsec is pilots jumpclone down to do some stupid **** and goons get more isk off hulk and destroyer production.
w/e this is my rant and i don't see how miners in highsec will ever be pvpers in null. the pvper that is sponserd by the highsec miner might move the miner out to null with him bc he has a eye on the situation but in the end its a logistical nightmare with trust issues and the limitations of the layout of your sov and what the stations offer at entry level. highsec doesn't care and i only have one question for goons and test.
Are you mad bro with that you can't control?
oh look a griefer...
sorry to say to you but CCP will not be carebearing you anymore... there are no rules not ganking in hi-sec isn't it?
sorry to say to you that mittani got the whole thing planned.... and you won't be able to do anything about it... because you're just a griefer...
if you want a change then evolve! evolve from a griefer into revolutionist! bring change! don't whine... because what written here is the cold hard truth! and all of the care bears are just whinners... really... they just whine and whine and wait... they don't do things themselves... that is the another reason why goons and friends decked jita... so that you all will whine and goons will win in the end... what they spend in burn jita is just ISK, and ISK can be EARNED, but the prolonged effects of burn jita to griefers like you will be much more than what you think... |
Igitur Agnus
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:27:00 -
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Haven't had this much laugh since I read the Communist Manifesto for the first time. |
Lyrka Bloodberry
Spybeaver
72
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:30:00 -
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I don't want to live on this planet anymore... Spybeaver |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:32:00 -
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That bit about the ishtar sounds really, really fun. Like, even more fun than smartbombing clumps of Mackinaws. Care to share your Ishtar fit? |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:33:00 -
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Starting to get a little annoyed with the OP for forcing me to give likes to goon posts. It just goes to show what an awesome thread this is that it can even make idiots like them make good posts.
Lyrka Bloodberry wrote:I don't want to live on this planet anymore... I haven't wanted to since I was about 6 years old. 2012 has significantly less death rays, hover cars and mars colonies than I expected. |
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Jiggle Physics
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:33:00 -
[161] - Quote
Fantastic post OP, its truth is attested by the immediate poorly-spelled whinging of NPC corp posters gnashing their teeth and dismissively engaging in hand-flapping on the very second page~ |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
809
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:34:00 -
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Too long, didn't read most of it.
What I did read was hysterical garbage. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1263
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:36:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Evading wardecs has become part of the popular culture among highsec miners today.
It is amusing that avoiding CONCORD is, to you, a clever tactic, while avoiding wardecs is, to you, an exploit.
James 315 wrote:I soon discovered the real reason why many of these miners chose to continue mining, defenseless, during an active wardec. They used bots and/or proximity alerts that enabled them to immediately warp back to a station if a war target entered local. At first, I was puzzled by their ability to react so quickly. I was able to eliminate the possibility they were using watchlists--my main joined the warring corp shortly before entering the system. Nor were they scouting the gates, since there were usually multiple gates, no one present at them, and/or all of their corp members accounted for in the belt during the initial scouting. And it couldn't have been that they were merely monitoring local for people with the war target tag, since the systems often had as many as 100-200 pilots.
So a miner who mines while semi-AFK should be paying more attention: but paying more attention means that they are a bot? I understand. That is the kind of rhetoric we see frequently from people wanting to rationalize their suicide ganking as a service to the people of New Eden.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
658
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:36:00 -
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I skipped truckloads of OP drivel to focus on this:
James 315 wrote: They may have spent years logged in, but did they ever experience anything? The first time the game evoked a genuine human emotion from the miner is when he saw me kill his ship. When he was spending his years carting around ore, it was not EVE--it was a joke. When I arrived in his ice field, having carefully crafted a way to destroy his supposedly invincible ship, and having painstakingly calculated the means to kill his supposedly unkillable pod--that was the first time he ever played EVE. He would say it was an act of griefing. I would call it a masterpiece. He should be, if not grateful for being killed, at least appreciative of the art.
And what about the carebear's vision? What do carebears want to do in their fantasy EVE, a sterilized PvE game? For the most part, nothing.
Who the fu*ck are you to decide how others are meant to play or how good has to be their experience in EvE?
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Macky Alcaz
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:37:00 -
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I think I actually came a bit after reading OPs compendium.
ITT: Raging carebears replying to OP without actually reading the whole thing.
Carebears ITT |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
168
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:38:00 -
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I've noticed that most of the jibbering posters who are mad about OP's point begin with: "I didn't read it all, but..."
I'm not thinking this is a coincidence. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:38:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:James 315 wrote:Evading wardecs has become part of the popular culture among highsec miners today. It is amusing that avoiding CONCORD is, to you, a clever tactic, while avoiding wardecs is, to you, an exploit. James 315 wrote:I soon discovered the real reason why many of these miners chose to continue mining, defenseless, during an active wardec. They used bots and/or proximity alerts that enabled them to immediately warp back to a station if a war target entered local. At first, I was puzzled by their ability to react so quickly. I was able to eliminate the possibility they were using watchlists--my main joined the warring corp shortly before entering the system. Nor were they scouting the gates, since there were usually multiple gates, no one present at them, and/or all of their corp members accounted for in the belt during the initial scouting. And it couldn't have been that they were merely monitoring local for people with the war target tag, since the systems often had as many as 100-200 pilots. So a miner who mines while semi-AFK should be paying more attention: but paying more attention means that they are a bot? I understand. That is the kind of rhetoric we see frequently from people wanting to rationalize their suicide ganking as a service to the people of New Eden. No, reacting instantly to someone's presence in local with 200 people in the system makes them a bot. |
Valerius Kavees
Pilipino Corp C0NVICTED
1
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:39:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:That bit about the ishtar sounds really, really fun. Like, even more fun than smartbombing clumps of Mackinaws. Care to share your Ishtar fit?
i second the motion
share your ishtar fit |
Heathkit
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:41:00 -
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That's an awful lot of :words: about internet spaceships.
Sometimes I feel like I missed out on Eve. I played for a while a couple years ago, when nullsec mining was fully dead and PVP was largely organized around endless POS shooting. After the war I got bored and unsubbed, and hearing the mess over Incarna made me glad to be out.
I came back for the ice interdiction and crucible. The ice interdiction is the perfect example of what makes eve special - players organizing large scale market manipulation based on PvP. It's sad that's such a rare thing - I always imagined Eve would be the kind of game where industrialists hire mercenaries to blockade the competition, but instead it's infested with people who just want to build up a massive cache of ships without interacting with anyone. If you want fancy ships with no risk, go play on SiSi.
Whatever game that was that "James 315" played back in 2006, it must have been really special to inspire such passion. I hope I see that game again someday. |
Stirko Hek
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:43:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:James 315 wrote:Evading wardecs has become part of the popular culture among highsec miners today. It is amusing that avoiding CONCORD is, to you, a clever tactic, while avoiding wardecs is, to you, an exploit.
It's also amusing to note that you can no longer warp away from CONCORD, but you can still avoid a wardec just as easily as before. |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
895
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:45:00 -
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Spaceships was, is and will continue to be...SRS BIZNESS.... |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:49:00 -
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Heathkit wrote:I always imagined Eve would be the kind of game where industrialists hire mercenaries to blockade the competition, but instead it's infested with people who just want to build up a massive cache of ships without interacting with anyone. My mining corp in beta found a nice dead end system without much traffic and a pirate corp living in it. We made them free stuff for not killing us and their presence kept people away from our asteroids when we weren't online (back when they actually ran out and didn't respawn for a week). That's kinda the same thing I guess? |
Anton Menges Saddat
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:55:00 -
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this man is both a gentleman and a scholar |
Alhezhar Alabyd al-Mu'minin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:57:00 -
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Igitur Agnus wrote:Haven't had this much laugh since I read the Communist Manifesto for the first time.
The Communist Manifesto is a very dull, discursive piece of literature, though? And I don't think James would be very insulted if you told him you didn't think his writing was funny enough as that was hardly the intention.
Or are you trying to have an in-joke with people who don't know what you're talking about? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
658
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Posted - 2012.04.27 07:59:00 -
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Heathkit wrote: Whatever game that was that "James 315" played back in 2006, it must have been really special to inspire such passion. I hope I see that game again someday.
Too bad what he says is just a fraction of the truth, the part that proves his points.
0.0 became crap because of all other factors. Drone regions and their insane economy screwup. Introduction of ships able to make the old 0.0 logistics convoys obsolete. When you kill logistic convoys you kill a lot of collateral content. Insanely easy force-projection made it pointless to have to invest a ton into creating and staying in a certain place. Original hi sec L4s drained ISK making out of 0.0.
Miners did not play any role in this, they were naturally driven out of 0.0 because it was just so much better to bot-gun mine with no risk.
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Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
1016
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:00:00 -
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Mara Rinn can you read it all and keep all the sperg to one reply instead of spacing it out as you read it thank you in advance |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1263
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:00:00 -
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Stirko Hek wrote:It's also amusing to note that you can no longer warp away from CONCORD, but you can still avoid a wardec just as easily as before.
It is amusing to see people who do everything they can to avoid losses complaining when they suffer losses. When you exploit a game mechanic to inflict losses in defiance of a game mechanic designed to control the level of loss you inflict, you should be expecting that exploit to get nerfed. While CCP is trying to maintain a PvP focussed game, the rules of the game also include making hisec "safer". Getting one freighter kill with a tornado is great. Getting in on half a dozen because you can evade CONCORD isn't quite what CCP intended.
The nerfs are happening because CCP has some idea about what level of loss is acceptable. Yes, hisec is only "safer" not "safe". There are mechanisms allowing gankers to ply their trade in hisec. If CCP wanted absolute safety, they would simply prevent the use of weapons against player targets in hisec, they haven't done that. So you have to think for yourself: why have they "nerfed" ganking so much? The answer is that the carebears who do the ganking are constantly finding new ways to minimize their losses. So CCP has to patch that hole.
As for wardecs and war evasion: CCP wants to find a mechanism which will prevent griefers from serial-wardeccing a corp. Any such mechanism will necessarily allow PvP-averse players to avoid wardecs, which is an acceptable contingency. As a serious PvPer, you know that you have the option to simply suicide gank the target.
Complaining about targets evading wardecs is basically saying, "I can't be arsed to suicide gank the target, because I am averse to losing the ships I necessarily must destroy to perform that attack." You are the carebear.
The new wardec system changes nothing. Griefers will still grief and continue to wage war against industrial corps, holing up in a station the moment any resistance is encountered. I don't know why CCP Greyscale is trying to fix it when it's necessarily broken. |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Misfit Syndicate Warden.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:01:00 -
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I agree with OP. When I started playing, I was a Miner. When I loaded my first kill, I never looked back at my Hulk.
Stop the destruction of Eve, BURN JITA |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:02:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Heathkit wrote: Whatever game that was that "James 315" played back in 2006, it must have been really special to inspire such passion. I hope I see that game again someday.
Too bad what he says is just a fraction of the truth, the part that proves his points. 0.0 became crap because of all other factors. Drone regions and their insane economy screwup. Introduction of ships able to make the old 0.0 logistics convoys obsolete. When you kill logistic convoys you kill a lot of collateral content. Insanely easy force-projection made it pointless to have to invest a ton into creating and staying in a certain place. Original hi sec L4s drained ISK making out of 0.0. Miners did not play any role in this, they were naturally driven out of 0.0 because it was just so much better to bot-gun mine with no risk. And I've been complaining about jump freighters, jump bridges and anything else with jump in the name just as much as I have about carebears. |
FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
96
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:03:00 -
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Jiggle Physics wrote:Fantastic post OP, its truth is attested by the immediate poorly-spelled whinging of NPC corp posters gnashing their teeth and dismissively engaging in hand-flapping on the very second page~
Haha yes.
Additionally for those who REALLY don't have reading comprehension trained, James is talking about the mining CULTURE that has developed in this game that goes opposite to what EVE was always meant to be. The mining culture wants to change highsec to be completely safe, as well as accomplish everything else that was mentioned. Even the worst forum poster can chat miners up for an hour and figure out that's what they want. It didn't used to be this way, sadly. "I do believe in karma. -áThat means that whenever I do something sh**y to others, they somehow deserved it." |
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