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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:59:00 -
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the hulk is clearly underpowered for its cost considering that everyone is flying t1 barges instead
oh wait diagoras' statistics show that it is literally the most popular hull in the game
no changes needed ;p "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:04:00 -
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Andski wrote:the hulk is clearly underpowered for its cost considering that everyone is flying t1 barges instead
oh wait diagoras' statistics show that it is literally the most popular hull in the game
no changes needed ;p You are joking. The Hulk is not popular! If the statistic is about the time spent by a player in a particular ship and this ship happens to be a mining ship, then all it means is that it takes an awful lot of time to make ISKs with mining. Only a moron would call a ship in which you have to spend such a lot of time "popular". If the statistic is about the production or the destruction of items then it is obvious who thinks of a Hulk as being popular ship - the gankers and the builders.
The Hulk actually holds only 2.5% of the entire popularity cake. The huge majority is held by the many combat ships.
It is astonishing how a ship and its profession as unpopular as this is needed for producing many of the minerals needed in building the combat ships. You would think everyone would own a Hulk by now and mines as often as they go fighting. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3972
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:11:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:Andski wrote:the hulk is clearly underpowered for its cost considering that everyone is flying t1 barges instead
oh wait diagoras' statistics show that it is literally the most popular hull in the game
no changes needed ;p You are joking. The Hulk is not popular! If the statistic is about the time spent by a player in a particular ship and this ship happens to be a mining ship, then all it means is that it takes an awful lot of time to make ISKs with mining. Only a moron would call a ship in which you have to spend such a lot of time "popular". If the statistic is about the production or the destruction of items then it is obvious who thinks of a Hulk as being popular ship - the gankers and the builders. The Hulk actually holds only 2.5% of the entire popularity cake. The huge majority is held by the many combat ships. It is astonishing how a ship and its profession as unpopular as this is needed for producing many of the minerals needed in building the combat ships. You would think everyone would own a Hulk by now and mines as often as they go fighting.
okay
http://twitter.com/CCP_Diagoras/status/179947277178241025 (the Hulk is the most popular active ship among characters with >5m SP) http://twitter.com/CCP_Diagoras/status/196395975676407808 (22% of active accounts have a Hulk in a hangar)
clearly an underpowered ship "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:19:00 -
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TWHC, you were calling me a troll. Meet a real one .
Aww yeah. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:04:00 -
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Andski wrote:my hulk should have 30 million ehp and the agility of a dramiel just because abloobloobloo
At least most trolls put some effort into it, you are just being idiotic, but perhaps you can't help yourself. And LOL goons, what a bunch of wusses. fly around in your blob and gank and feel all superior, one on one you are just wusses. |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.05.02 09:00:00 -
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No, clearly the pod is over-powered and Titans are under-powered. Next thing we get to hear is that diapers are the most popular baby product, because we love the smell of **** in a bag.
The Hulk is then no. 17 on the owner list. Not no. 1. Are you now trying to fool people? Oh, wait, you are a Goon... |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
173
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Posted - 2012.05.02 09:20:00 -
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You know what hulks and mining ships DO need more tank, and my falcon needs to make ORE one it uses Ewar, and my Rohk needs to make moon goo one it takes damage, and my carrier needs to make ice one its fighters return to its bays........................................................
Your all full of it!!!! the fact that you get any tank at all is a cop-out that dose not fit in the game its there so you can wine less, no real industralist would wast there time on such a frivolousness. No company trying to make money would bother to market such a thing its YOU the crappy player that cant grasp that this is a roll playing game PLAY YOUR ROLE. ya wanna know why you get ganked, it's because we hate you and your sniveling crap. Grow up, people trying to gank you? evade, use a BS, move or shut up. Join a group in low or null that will watch your back. can't be bothered? then adapt! every time its the same crap from you wa wa change this, then it happens then you STILL GET GANKED! so whats the real problem is it the gankers or is it the useless pray that cant be arsed to even keep up? I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.05.02 09:23:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:TWHC, you were calling me a troll. Meet a real one . Aww yeah. Do not worry about being a troll. A "troll" is not only an insult but can also be an honorary title, which is passed on from poster to poster. How you want to see it - as a title or as an insult - becomes a choice you make. |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.05.02 09:28:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:You know what hulks and mining ships DO need more tank, and my falcon ... so whats the real problem is it the gankers or is it the useless pray that cant be arsed to even keep up? Welcome, nice of you to pop in.
Did you know that your Falcon once used to be quite a powerful ship, but then got its wings clipped? |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
173
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Posted - 2012.05.02 09:36:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:You know what hulks and mining ships DO need more tank, and my falcon ... so whats the real problem is it the gankers or is it the useless pray that cant be arsed to even keep up? Welcome, nice of you to pop in. Did you know that your Falcon once used to be quite a powerful ship, but then got its wings clipped?
lol its not mind boggling OP any more for sure but is still dose its job. See all it took was reconsidering its new lay out and changing tactics accordingly, ya know that thing you go one you play a game and you both try and are good at it............. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
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Cardano Firesnake
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.02 11:05:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1187362#post1187362
I agree.
I think all industrials ships should have a better tank. Not enough to be invulnerable, but enough to not be destroy by an alone Tornado. |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.05.02 11:08:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1187362#post1187362
I agree.
I think all industrials ships should have a better tank. Not enough to be invulnerable, but enough to not be destroy by an alone Tornado. Just when I thought that GoonSwarm are like the Hell's Angels of the Internetz does one of you agree. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.05.02 12:59:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1187362#post1187362
I agree.
I think all industrials ships should have a better tank. Not enough to be invulnerable, but enough to not be destroy by an alone Tornado.
Finially a voice of reason from the pirate-side of the game. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
174
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:55:00 -
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lol goons are mostly bears. Your mining barges work fine your just bad at mining/indistry, If your getting ganked it's you that needs to change. All the tools you need to gather ore are there use them. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Drakos Vala
Cold Moon Destruction
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:00:00 -
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I would contribute to the thread but i've got to go tank my tractor. |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:22:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:lol goons are mostly bears. Your mining barges work fine your just bad at mining/indistry, If your getting ganked it's you that needs to change. All the tools you need to gather ore are there use them. Let us turn EVE Online into a browser game and with one single space ship type. Everyone gets the same and all this ship needs to do is to blink and beep. When you loose it then it is just you. We could all be as happy as fat kid eating cake or Rel'k Bloodlor here. You should have had this idea much sooner. It is a great idea and solves almost all issues. How did you get this idea, is it really yours? |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
174
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:43:00 -
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Drakos Vala wrote:I would contribute to the thread but i've got to go tank my tractor.
Man i can't put strip miners on my falcon......falcon needs a boost, and at least 500K to shields. Also T2 mining ships mine to much and need to be nerfed to put them in line with the mining ability of all other ships its only fair after all. i mean there what 200+ mill isk so any T2 200 mill ship should be able to mine that much. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:52:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:Man i can't put strip miners on my falcon......falcon needs a boost, and at least 500K to shields. Also T2 mining ships mine to much and need to be nerfed to put them in line with the mining ability of all other ships its only fair after all. i mean there what 200+ mill isk so any T2 200 mill ship should be able to mine that much. Why fix anything? Let us eat more cake. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:54:00 -
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This thread appears to have devolved to the level of discussion that it deserves. Not surprising. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
174
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:12:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:This thread appears to have devolved to the level of discussion that it deserves. Not surprising.
Yar its sad to because indie has huge problems and the mining hulls do need work, just no one wants to think about it. They want snap reactionary changes to player driven environmental problems. No one thinks to ask why there is no T2 gas miner, or a hull that refines ore on the field, or why sub cap T1 manufacture is just alchemy from a fantasy game with si-fi key words, or the fact that the mining profession is about as engaging as paint drying, or why is it that mining has such huge cycle times, or were all the grave sites at. no its always the same make it ezer for my and my bots, I can't fap and scan local at the same time well using the wrong ship in a environmen that it will just get killed in........... I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
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TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:55:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:Yar its sad to because indie has huge problems and the mining hulls do need work, just no one wants to think about it. They want snap reactionary changes to player driven environmental problems. No one thinks to ask why there is no T2 gas miner, or a hull that refines ore on the field, or why sub cap T1 manufacture is just alchemy from a fantasy game with si-fi key words, or the fact that the mining profession is about as engaging as paint drying, or why is it that mining has such huge cycle times, or were all the grave sites at. no its always the same make it ezer for my and my bots, I can't fap and scan local at the same time well using the wrong ship in a environmen that it will just get killed in........... Rubbish! You need to go into the threads which are of interest to you and take part in the discussions. First trolling and then whining about everything in general is infantile. You really must have had too much cake.
We do have T2 gas miners, but perhaps you are talking about something else? Gas mining itself is unpopular, which is why CCP wants to introduce "light" versions of boosters and to create a stronger incentive for the profession itself. You will see something coming from CCP, unless they cancel it again or they decide to do some other work first.
Mining can be quite engaging when you do it right. When you mine in fleets and have to coordinate your mining and hauling to get a high flow of ore out of the belt for example. Your Orcas need to be in good positions and miners need to watch out not to mine the same asteroids as others. A squad of miners can clear several belts in a few hours. When you are only in a very small fleet is it still a social activity where one can chat and find the time to plan other activities ahead. You actually have some of your friends around and can discuss the things for which you did not have the time yet.
To find gravimetric sites do you need to search for them. Just try and scan more than one or two systems and you will find them. Just do not try to find them to close to the downtime and when many sites have already been found. This can be an issue for some players depending on their time zone. CCP knows about it and it may all get solved once they have eliminated the downtime completely.
The rest of your comment (Alchemy, bots, ...) is not more than unreflective rant. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
174
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:26:00 -
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A) I am with my indy toons this is my combat toon an dhe hates you because you run your mouth
B)humm what T2 mining ship mines gas agean let me look........mexoc, ice, super rego-minig nope no gas miner
C) ya those rocks shere do move, and you really have to scann than them to make shure your minig the right one and getting the best yeald................oh wait the only thing you can do is see how much is there
D) grave sites are the least common and only ever the same as the belts in system or 1 step up, as in "like " the systems sec is one step lower.
E) you dont find it silly that to make a cap or a T2 thing or a T3 thing or a story line thing or PI stuff that you have to make the parts first? You haven't notest that one you make a T1 ship you put space dust in a pile and POOF ship out of thin air?
see OP This is a thread about how T2 minig ships need to tank.............even though all other T2's a focused to a role and the current T2 mining ships are also focused. If any thing they need to shed there dumb tank bonuses and get bonuses to IDK mining? holding the ore? how far you can mine how fast you can mine ya know some thing reliant. see thats why im here and so opposed to it and the only way to get some one to think about it longer than a sec on the internet is to get there emotions in to it. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:03:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:A) I am with my indy toons this is my combat toon an dhe hates you because you run your mouth
B)humm what T2 mining ship mines gas agean let me look........mexoc, ice, super rego-minig nope no gas miner
C) ya those rocks shere do move, and you really have to scann than them to make shure your minig the right one and getting the best yeald................oh wait the only thing you can do is see how much is there
D) grave sites are the least common and only ever the same as the belts in system or 1 step up, as in "like " the systems sec is one step lower.
E) you dont find it silly that to make a cap or a T2 thing or a T3 thing or a story line thing or PI stuff that you have to make the parts first? You haven't notest that one you make a T1 ship you put space dust in a pile and POOF ship out of thin air? almost like one a wizard uses alchemy .....................
see OP This is a thread about how T2 minig ships need to tank.............even though all other T2's are focused to a role and the current T2 mining ships are also focused. If any thing they need to shed there dumb tank bonuses and get bonuses to IDK mining? holding the ore? how far you can mine how fast you can mine ya know some thing relevant . see thats why im here and so opposed to it and the only way to get some one to think about it longer than a sec on the internet is to get there emotions in to it.
Its not like they need to tank encounters as you have inferred, they need more defense-the rest is semantics. If they get that defense via more powergrid so that they can fit shields, fine, they just should not be weak against destroyers or anything less than two T3 battlecruisers. That is my opinion at least, I know that alot don't agree and that is fine, apart from the idiot trolls I enjoy any debate on it. Realistically, who would take out an expensive ship that is so weak to everything, it makes no sense, yet that is what CCP is forcing upon Hulk pilots. |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:17:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:A) I am with my indy toons this is my combat toon an dhe hates you because you run your mouth
B)humm what T2 mining ship mines gas agean let me look........mexoc, ice, super rego-minig nope no gas miner
C) ya those rocks shere do move, and you really have to scann than them to make shure your minig the right one and getting the best yeald................oh wait the only thing you can do is see how much is there
D) grave sites are the least common and only ever the same as the belts in system or 1 step up, as in "like " the systems sec is one step lower.
E) you dont find it silly that to make a cap or a T2 thing or a T3 thing or a story line thing or PI stuff that you have to make the parts first? You haven't notest that one you make a T1 ship you put space dust in a pile and POOF ship out of thin air? almost like one a wizard uses alchemy .....................
see OP This is a thread about how T2 minig ships need to tank.............even though all other T2's are focused to a role and the current T2 mining ships are also focused. If any thing they need to shed there dumb tank bonuses and get bonuses to IDK mining? holding the ore? how far you can mine how fast you can mine ya know some thing relevant . see thats why im here and so opposed to it and the only way to get some one to think about it longer than a sec on the internet is to get there emotions in to it. A) ...
B) As I said before it is too unpopular, but why do you not make a thread before you derail this one?
C) When two or more miners mine the same rock, then their last cycle will not get it all. In fact when ten miners mine the same rock then only one gets the last cycle and everyone else gets nothing. When you clear a belt and get to the last rocks will you notice it and see how stupid it can get when everyone tries to mine the last one instead of getting to the next belt.
D) Similiar to B), make a thread and ask for more. Raise the issue again. Do not derail this thread.
E) See D).
None are terrible points, perhaps besides the alchemy analogy. You need to find the right threads or start your own threads and raise your issues. You are only doing it wrong. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
175
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:26:00 -
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the hulk is a focused T2 ship, if it dos not have the support it fails like all T2 ships, that's the point. Plenty of other T2 ships get owned buy cheep dessies and tier 3 BC's. Your problem is an inability to as a miner deal with being a target. Wanna use a hulk? seek the conditions to use one, don't bend them or the game to sute you. I don't wine about the T2 recons i use not being able to tank a level 4 mission, and I've lost them to cheep ships, it happens you get out played. If hulkaggedon is putting the hurt on you mine in a different ship its that ez. hell i have to have different mining ships just to get the things I want as is, but then agean my first toon was a PvP toon so Im usta that. most of my indy toons can't use a hulk still dosn't stop me. I make do, then agean i don't mine in hi-sec eather as i like the ABC ores and need ice for stuff and cant be bothered to look up and mark every one as to figure out what ones will try and gank me. Im lazy and took the ez way out moved to low-sec mining in WH's. The whole idea of ORE an indy ship manufaturer making tanked ships is just..............only a player of a game would want, and that for me brakes the Emerson and takes me out of the game. I still don't get why every hulkageddon the miners freak out...one they could all just talk to each outer and us a BS's with lazors and drones and get a good larf at the failed ganks, then agean i guess losing any % of mining isn't worth the peace of mind? can't even fight your own greed, the game should shift to you so you don't have to do any thing? is that actuly how you people feel? why even play a game like this if you want it to be ez and and always in your favor? they got flash games for that..............
I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:41:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:... I still don't get why every hulkageddon the miners freak out... This is because you have no brain. Not only do you fail at raising your issues in the right threads, but you are terrible at really everything besides the destruction of huge amounts of cake. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:57:00 -
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Nope right thread, I oppose hulks getting more tank. See im what they call the opposition and i do not agree and because this is a public forum for a game i play and on a topic i disagree with that makes this the right place. My issue is with you ruining my hi yield miner with more tank one it needs more mining, because its a hi yield miner. And i keep looking for a mining thing that needs power grid or a astroind type that attacks and can't seem to find any............well aside from the one type that already has a T2 miner that dodges its DPS. sorry you don't like being being opposed in a forum for a game that revolves around opposition.
P.S. lol i can't even eat cake. tho i probably am at fault for the hole tuna going extinct thing.......... I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:08:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:Nope right thread, I oppose hulks getting more tank. See im what they call the opposition and i do not agree and because this is a public forum for a game i play and on a topic i disagree with that makes this the right place. My issue is with you ruining my hi yield miner with more tank one it needs more mining, because its a hi yield miner. And i keep looking for a mining thing that needs power grid or a astroind type that attacks and can't seem to find any............well aside from the one type that already has a T2 miner that dodges its DPS. sorry you don't like being being opposed in a forum for a game that revolves around opposition.
P.S. lol i can't even eat cake. tho i probably am at fault for the hole tuna going extinct thing.......... Yes, I can see that you are opposing quite a lot frankly, but why does more PG on a Hulk ruin your game, which only has got 35PG, but the 250PG on the Noctis does not? |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:28:00 -
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and what mining mod uses power grid? its would be pointless like a drone damage bonus on a noctus. now CPU i could find a use for on a hulk. As far as the noctus go i would assume its so i can fit tractors a mwd and a cap battery like i do..... I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:58:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:and what mining mod uses power grid? its would be pointless like a drone damage bonus on a noctus. now CPU i could find a use for on a hulk. As far as the noctus go i would assume its so i can fit tractors a mwd and a cap battery like i do..... You can use the PG for many things. What you do with it is entirely up to you. You could fit a cap battery onto a Hulk, too, or a shield extender, an AB/MWD, smartbombs, ... One should not give the mining ships too much PG, but just so it falls in line with the rest of the newer industrial ships like the Noctis, the Primea and also the T2 transports. They all have somewhere between 125PG to 250PG. Read the thread from the start when you want to know more. |
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