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Aleyra Mel
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Posted - 2009.03.08 18:39:00 -
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# The Signal Acquisition skill is now called Astrometric Triangulation and gives a strength bonus.
# The Astrometric Triangulation skill is now called Astrometric Acquisition and gives a scan time bonus.
You wasted me 15 days of trainig cause suddenly you decided that scan strength is more important than scan duration (tbh scan duration became useless) and you just decided to switch skill multipliers to just grief people. GJ CCP. You rock.
Instead of being smart and giving Astrometric Triangulation something useful to do you just want the easy solution.
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achoura
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Posted - 2009.03.08 18:42:00 -
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It's funny your insulting someone intelligence, when you yourself failed to learn the bonus change was done more than 15 days back, and that the reason for it was the change in scanning formula. Unless you actually know what it actually does how can you say it's not useful?
You sir, are living proof that ignorance and short temper is most certainly not bliss 
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General Gingerbread
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Posted - 2009.03.08 18:45:00 -
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pwnd
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Aleyra Mel
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:03:00 -
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You sir, are living proof that ignorance and short temper is most certainly not bliss Laughing
Or maybe thats YOU? Cause first i didnt finish training that skill when i made the thread. So it doesn't matter if CCP said about the change 15 days ago or 20 days ago.
And secondly i know exactly what it does. It decreases scanning time. New scaning time of probes is about 4 sec. With that skill maybe you can lower it to 3 sec. WOW thats one useful skill.
In conclusion, quit your flaming frenzy and actually use your mind when you read posts.
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Mish'Kala
Minmatar
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:07:00 -
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base scan time was 10 seconds last time i looked.
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:08:00 -
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Just to be clear:
If you have trained Signal Acqusition to 5 and Astrometric Triangulation to 1 on TQ, then after the patch you will have Astrometric Triangulation 5 (rank 8, 10% bonus to strength per level) and Astrometric Acquisition 1 (rank 5, 10% reduction to scan time per level).
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Dirty Python
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:11:00 -
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Just to be clear:
If you have trained Signal Acqusition to 5 and Astrometric Triangulation to 1 on TQ, then after the patch you will have Astrometric Triangulation 5 (rank 8, 10% bonus to strength per level) and Astrometric Acquisition 1 (rank 5, 10% reduction to scan time per level).
silly op, patch note are inside jobs only devs can understand :P
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:19:00 -
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doesnt change the fact that ship probing is broken
what's really broken is the "it's by design" replies
sure, not even BS in FFA1 showing up on scans... lovely... by design... right...
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Derus Grobb
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:33:00 -
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They have done most people a favour by switching the skills. Scan duration used to be the most important thing, now it is scan strength.
Originally by: Aleyra Mel
you just decided to switch skill multipliers to just grief people.
FFS! Are you for real?
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Sawirek
Caldari
BLACK BARONS
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:45:00 -
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I don't care, new scan is faster, more sane and fun :).
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Dirty Python
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:51:00 -
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ship scanning will come later, until then..im afk in a ss thx
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dirty Python
ship scanning will come later, until then..im afk in a ss thx
Awesome. See you soon! 
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Phrixus Zephyr
Prospero Incorperated
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:21:00 -
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...and if you're training for probing you'll be training them all to 4 or 5 anyway so whats the problem?
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Glassback
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
doesnt change the fact that ship probing is broken
what's really broken is the "it's by design" replies
sure, not even BS in FFA1 showing up on scans... lovely... by design... right...
Could be because the FFA's are at a beacon which acts like a deadspace pocket and therefor makes scanning VERY hard? Just a theory.
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Niedar
MASS
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:32:00 -
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So I now have a rank 5 skill trained to level 5 that gives me a 1 second increase in scan time, how ridiculous is that.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Niedar
So I now have a rank 5 skill trained to level 5 that gives me a 1 second increase in scan time, how ridiculous is that.
no, read the dev comment.
unless you had both to 5 before.
and base scane speed is 10 seconds, so it safes you a good amount of time.
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Drenan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:31:00 -
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The crucial failure in the new system is deviation...for god's sake ccp stop shooting yourselves in the foot
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OneSock
Crown Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
no, read the dev comment.
unless you had both to 5 before.
and base scane speed is 10 seconds, so it safes you a good amount of time.
Well I think that's the point he was making. I also have the skill to level 5. So that's ~22 days training for 1 second off the scan time. Bit of a waste eh ?
I really don't see the logic. Why would anyone buy a PPG-1 or PPG-2 Implant now ?
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:44:00 -
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The most amusing part is how silent the op became after the dev post. Dev pwnd much?
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Drenan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:45:00 -
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This is going to be one of those paradigm shifting expansions. Forget what you wasted time training...welcome to our way or the highway...
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Cadde
Gallente
Gene Works
Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:05:00 -
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With deviation and pinpointing comes several scans per signature, just like the old system except this time you get a hit every time. Your RL skills matter in this new system but it doesn't hurt to get some extra help to find those signatures faster. There is also the issue with scan strength, some sites is just impossible to find without lvl 4 - lvl 5 skills, a cov ops and rigs. (Maybe even implants, who knows)
What i am getting at is, the new system is all about YOU and YOUR ability to use the tools provided to narrow down a signature to a 100% hit. The skills will help you get there faster! Even with just one second saved on your scan time, consider that every sig takes between 5 and 10 scans each. You will be forced to scan for grav, mag, radar, ladar before finding your WH. So say you save 10 seconds per site, you find 15 unwanted sites before you find a WH. Also consider that my numbers are in a perfect world. Most people will waste 20 scans per signature before they get a 100% hit!
It's all about player skill, the ingame skills help you find the sigs faster. Now stop griefing yourself and use what you have been given to the best of your ability.
My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
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Drenan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cadde
With deviation and pinpointing comes several scans per signature, just like the old system except this time you get a hit every time. Your RL skills matter in this new system but it doesn't hurt to get some extra help to find those signatures faster. There is also the issue with scan strength, some sites is just impossible to find without lvl 4 - lvl 5 skills, a cov ops and rigs. (Maybe even implants, who knows)
What i am getting at is, the new system is all about YOU and YOUR ability to use the tools provided to narrow down a signature to a 100% hit. The skills will help you get there faster! Even with just one second saved on your scan time, consider that every sig takes between 5 and 10 scans each. You will be forced to scan for grav, mag, radar, ladar before finding your WH. So say you save 10 seconds per site, you find 15 unwanted sites before you find a WH. Also consider that my numbers are in a perfect world. Most people will waste 20 scans per signature before they get a 100% hit!
It's all about player skill, the ingame skills help you find the sigs faster. Now stop griefing yourself and use what you have been given to the best of your ability.
Apologists for bad coding annoy me more than almost anything else in eve
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Drenan
This is going to be one of those paradigm shifting expansions. Forget what you wasted time training...welcome to our way or the highway...
He was wasting his time before the expansion by training for Triangulation. Obviously he can't mind the time wasting aspect of it as much as he claims.
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Cadde
Gallente
Gene Works
Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Drenan
Originally by: Cadde
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Apologists for bad coding annoy me more than almost anything else in eve
What?
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To all others complaining...
My assumption is that the devs know more about the scanning system than we do, that is also why i feel the scan speed bonus is a useful thing.
Last time i tested scanning it was so much better than the old system that i don't even mind them making a few useless skills even more useless or the other way around.
If you don't like it then go ahead and emorage-quit before apocrypha. Just more scanning for the rest of us.
My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
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Drenan
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:52:00 -
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Not about to emoragequit...I simply exercise my right to point out bad game design mechanics to the more anally retentive devs in eve 
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ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.09 22:26:00 -
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ccp will always change things within 2 years anyway keep the skills
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.09 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Astrometric Triangulation 5 (rank 8, 10% bonus to strength per level)
Grey, since when Trinagulation (in RL) affecting signal strength? I always though that Triangulation is the procedure used for locating object on a plane, thus affecting deviation >.<
In my mind, it should be Pinpointing (Str), Triangulation (Dev), Acquisition (Spd).
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ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.09 22:48:00 -
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get the latest build guys probing is again broken
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SillyWaif
Galactic Kingdom
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains2
get the latest build guys probing is again broken
Yes, and other bugs are showing their ugly heads.  So either the expansion is gonna take more time than anticipated and/or we need to patch again really soon(tm) 
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