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Potrondal Morrison
The Scope Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.04.27 08:51:00 -
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A few hours ago outside Jita i was watching the on-go, taking potshots at flashy red ships, nothing serious. got the kill mail on one ship only. Then after about 10 mins flashy red Goon Tornado appears so i lock and fire along with 20 other people: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16220728 . As you see i didnt kill him but didnt get much of chance anyhow because suddenly theres a global criminal countdown on me and im concorded with -0.8 sec status loss and about 12 guys all with agro timer on me. I didnt take anything from a can, wreck or other: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16219370. There was time dilation on and i have my warning always on if i`m about to attack someone whom i cant without consequence in high sec and that didnt appear so i could freely attack the tornado. I was watching the help channel and i see that a few couple of others were reporting similar situations. Im not sure why this has happened, can anyone can shed light on where i went wrong? or is this a bug? |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
1017
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:11:00 -
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It was CCP punishing you for doing THAT to a catalyst |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
1017
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:12:00 -
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Why, I haven't had such negative emotions towards a catalyst since the ending of mass effect 3 (huhuhu) |
Kassand
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
10
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:15:00 -
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many many others have had the same problem.
It is a Bug in the game. However, CCP will tell you its working as intended.
There may be an item on EVE news24 in the next day or so on this very problem. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
165
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:23:00 -
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Kassand wrote:many many others have had the same problem.
It is a Bug in the game. However, CCP will tell you its working as intended.
There may be an item on EVE news24 in the next day or so on this very problem.
thier logs show nuthin... move along nuthin to see here any1 got kill rights on you? To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Potrondal Morrison
The Scope Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:25:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Kassand wrote:many many others have had the same problem.
It is a Bug in the game. However, CCP will tell you its working as intended.
There may be an item on EVE news24 in the next day or so on this very problem. thier logs show nuthin... move along nuthin to see here any1 got kill rights on you?
the tornado pilot has kill rights on me |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1051
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:25:00 -
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lol TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Potrondal Morrison
The Scope Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:37:00 -
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Ive just checked the kill logs on other pilots involved on the killboard. Its showing as 7 other pilots lost there ship at exactly the same time as me:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=GiantJack#losses http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Cassavere#losses http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Hicksimus#losses http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=LizzVicious#losses http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Willy%27s+Horse#losses http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=kogelbiefstuk#losses http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=sammual#losses
Im pretty sure we all cant be wrong on firing at the tornado. |
VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:40:00 -
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sorry for you're lots |
i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY
sHaKeDoWn..
17
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:17:00 -
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You are not alone, had this happen three times https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101719&find=unread |
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
410
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:56:00 -
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Gyrostabs and blasters, I think CONCORD knew what they were doing, putting your lolfit out of its misery. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Potrondal Morrison
The Scope Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:59:00 -
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Serge Bastana wrote:Gyrostabs and blasters, I think CONCORD knew what they were doing, putting your lolfit out of its misery.
Yeh yeh, the fitting was wrong, it was a rush fit i didnt think about. But try to keep on the topic of the thread, theres a bug with pvp that needs fixed. |
Aina Sasaki
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
20
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:05:00 -
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I had this happen to me as well. Kinda sucked, but oh well. - Rei |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
202
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:27:00 -
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Posting to confirm that this is indeed a bug and we are looking into the cause of it now. More information to follow. CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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Arkon Hjallian
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:30:00 -
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Please don't fix it too quickly. Tears are delicious. |
Jaymes Welty
Cell Corporation Sexy Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:32:00 -
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I remember you talking about it in the Help channel actually, I was one of the few who responded. I Lost 2 Hurricanes to Concord misfiring, only happened during %20+ time dilation. It can't be an overview bug because I have all my warning messages still active, yet they never appeared. Even loss security status for shooting an outlaw, c'mon CCP.
Besides that great job so far CFC, hoping for more explosions! http://www.youtube.com/user/JaymesWelty |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
45
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:33:00 -
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Serge Bastana wrote:Gyrostabs and blasters, I think CONCORD knew what they were doing, putting your lolfit out of its misery.
API-Verified idiocy. Amazing. Still, it is a bug, it needs to get fixed. |
Pres Crendraven
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:41:00 -
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Fits will never be perfect again now that Jita is burning Meta34me |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1330
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:42:00 -
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Does todays client update address the issue or are they unrelated?
Quote:User Interface GùªLocked target icons now update character flags based on aggression or fleet changes.
You know... morons. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
202
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:00:00 -
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Unrelated CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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Momoyo
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
26
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:07:00 -
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Yeh had a similar issue. Shot a flashy red criminal and didnt get a concord warning (have it on atm to avoid issues) and concord proceeded to put me in my place ^_^. |
Endeavour Starfleet
814
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:08:00 -
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Arkon Hjallian wrote:Please don't fix it too quickly. Tears are delicious.
You do realize they are going to get refunded right? |
Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:13:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Arkon Hjallian wrote:Please don't fix it too quickly. Tears are delicious. You do realize they are going to get refunded right?
I seriously doubt that. |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
98
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:14:00 -
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Concord is implementing a scorched earth policy!!! Too many gankers, too many ships... kill them all!! - Nulla Curas |
Chump Clone
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:16:00 -
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How convenient you get concorded for shooting flashies right at the weekend when goons do their burn jita campaign.
Devswarm strikes again. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
466
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:31:00 -
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Chump Clone wrote:How convenient you get concorded for shooting flashies right at the weekend when goons do their burn jita campaign.
Devswarm strikes again.
I don't think Hilmar knows about this yet.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
284
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:36:00 -
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even CONCORD wants to burn Jita ... |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1265
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:38:00 -
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Momoyo wrote:Yeh had a similar issue. Shot a flashy red criminal and didnt get a concord warning (have it on atm to avoid issues) and concord proceeded to put me in my place ^_^.
It would be funny if this was due to CrimeWatch not compensating for Time Dilation. So on grid, the simulation knows that this guy is blink red for 15 minutes x 9 min/min time dilation factor (i.e.: about 135min), and these guys shot him at 20-odd minutes into the fight: target is blinky red on grid, so no CONCORDOKKEN warning. But Crime Watch (being external to time dilation) decides that the 15 minutes is well and truly up, and POW, RIGHT IN THE SMACKER!
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Barkaial Starfinder
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:51:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Momoyo wrote:Yeh had a similar issue. Shot a flashy red criminal and didnt get a concord warning (have it on atm to avoid issues) and concord proceeded to put me in my place ^_^. It would be funny if this was due to CrimeWatch not compensating for Time Dilation. So on grid, the simulation knows that this guy is blink red for 15 minutes x 9 min/min time dilation factor (i.e.: about 135min), and these guys shot him at 20-odd minutes into the fight: target is blinky red on grid, so no CONCORDOKKEN warning. But Crime Watch (being external to time dilation) decides that the 15 minutes is well and truly up, and POW, RIGHT IN THE SMACKER!
So, should goonswarm get flashy red and warp to Jita IV - 4 undock after 15 minutes?
Oh god |
Alotta Cleavage
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:52:00 -
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I was watching a Twitch.TV Jita feed last night and that happened to the broadcaster. |
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MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
27
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Posted - 2012.04.27 13:09:00 -
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In breaking news the grand admiral of CONCORD has come on record and confirmed that they are sick of protecting hi sec pubbies and are now on the GOONS side. :)
More to come at 11 |
Hicksimus
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
99
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Posted - 2012.04.27 13:32:00 -
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Mah sec status! It is le broken, now how will I shoot criminals? Well, at least with CONCORD helping him he was harder to kill than most goons. Things I have realized from the EvE forums: Many people beleive cost means money and only money |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2012.04.27 13:32:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:even CONCORD wants to burn Jita of course they do
just think about all the income from taxes/broker fees that CONCORD lost - it's natural that they want to burn Jita and re-establish the highways |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
35
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Posted - 2012.04.27 14:12:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Posting to confirm that this is indeed a bug and we are looking into the cause of it now. More information to follow. I posted a petition over a week ago now about concord warnings not showing up when you were about to unknowingly commit a crime. Still didn't recieve a message or anything on it, maybe you guys need to check your logs a little faster. |
Disdaine
254
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Posted - 2012.04.27 14:52:00 -
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So there I was, thinking of undocking for the first time in months to shoot some flashies, then I saw this and the pod thread, set another long train and alt-shift-q'd.
Keep up the good work CCP. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1677
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Posted - 2012.04.27 14:54:00 -
[36] - Quote
Schalac wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Posting to confirm that this is indeed a bug and we are looking into the cause of it now. More information to follow. I posted a petition over a week ago now about concord warnings not showing up when you were about to unknowingly commit a crime. Still didn't recieve a message or anything on it, maybe you guys need to check your logs a little faster. Perhaps a bug report would have been more effective than a petition. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Potrondal Morrison
The Scope Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.04.27 15:01:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Schalac wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Posting to confirm that this is indeed a bug and we are looking into the cause of it now. More information to follow. I posted a petition over a week ago now about concord warnings not showing up when you were about to unknowingly commit a crime. Still didn't recieve a message or anything on it, maybe you guys need to check your logs a little faster. Perhaps a bug report would have been more effective than a petition.
A bug report wont get your sec status back up, its already been confirmed a bug, CCP should reimburse the status drop. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1584
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Posted - 2012.04.27 15:13:00 -
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Sverige Pahis wrote:Why, I haven't had such negative emotions towards a catalyst since the ending of mass effect 3 (huhuhu) I got a good laugh out of that one.
This was going to be a fun weekend...now it is turning into crap because of this bug. This is a bummer... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
340
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Posted - 2012.04.27 15:34:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:sorry for you're lots
LOL! Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
340
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Posted - 2012.04.27 15:36:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:Concord is implementing a scorched earth policy!!! Too many gankers, too many ships... kill them all!!
If this ever happened I would kill 3 bulls as sacrifice to Baker Cat. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
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Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company The Veyr Collective
87
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Posted - 2012.04.27 15:41:00 -
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same thing happened to me
i chuckled
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13187734 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13188467 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13187520
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13187514 |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
732
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Posted - 2012.04.27 15:42:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Posting to confirm that this is indeed a bug and we are looking into the cause of it now. More information to follow.
No, it's not. Pay attention, silly goose. The Goon he attacked was not an outlaw and he was not wardeced. He attacked a random player unprovoked and got Concorded for his trouble, just like he should have. |
Sirinda
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
77
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Posted - 2012.04.27 15:52:00 -
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Xython wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Posting to confirm that this is indeed a bug and we are looking into the cause of it now. More information to follow. No, it's not. The Goon he attacked was not an outlaw and he was not wardeced. He attacked a random player unprovoked and got Concorded for his trouble, just like he should have.
That part is working as intended. What's not working as intended is pods still being flashy red after the ship kill, implying to everyone that they can be shot at without incurring a GCC.
Also, he didn't get the "You're about to commit a crime" dialogue even though he had the option for it active. So that is a bug. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
734
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Posted - 2012.04.27 15:56:00 -
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Sirinda wrote:Xython wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Posting to confirm that this is indeed a bug and we are looking into the cause of it now. More information to follow. No, it's not. Pay attention, silly goose. The Goon he attacked was not an outlaw and he was not wardeced. He attacked a random player unprovoked and got Concorded for his trouble, just like he should have. That part is working as intended. What's not working as intended is pods still being flashy red after the ship kill, implying to everyone that they can be shot at without incurring a GCC. Also, he didn't get the "You're about to commit a crime" dialogue even though he had the option for it active. So that is a bug.
If that's what it is, you might be right.
There were a whole lot of idiot Pubbies who made corps last night, set goons to -10, then died to Concord. "What's a Wardec?"
And we had an entire fleet of people sitting on that undock intentionally NOT being outlaws just to kill idiots who did wardec us. It's more likely that he attacked one of the Goons that were in that fleet and died to Concord (Working As Intended(tm)) more than anything else, really. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1306
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Posted - 2012.04.27 15:58:00 -
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One thing I know about the little bees from watching them over the years.
If there is a bug that can be used to their advantage, they are usually the first to find it and take advantage of it for fun and lulz.
I think I see where everyone just got pwned who is shooting goons in Jita. And I think that was the plan all along.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
38
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:05:00 -
[46] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:I think I see where everyone just got pwned who is shooting goons in Jita. And I think that was the plan all along. Mr Epeen Doubt it was a plan. Don't doubt the Goons consider it a happy side-effect and are giggling like insane schoolgirls.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
230
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:15:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Posting to confirm that this is indeed a bug and we are looking into the cause of it now. More information to follow. Feature is working as intended... 'twas the night before Jitageddon and all through 4-4. Not a freighter was undocked, not even the transports. Outside the undock was Goonswarm, floating with care. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
212
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:18:00 -
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Potrondal Morrison wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Schalac wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Posting to confirm that this is indeed a bug and we are looking into the cause of it now. More information to follow. I posted a petition over a week ago now about concord warnings not showing up when you were about to unknowingly commit a crime. Still didn't recieve a message or anything on it, maybe you guys need to check your logs a little faster. Perhaps a bug report would have been more effective than a petition. A bug report wont get your sec status back up, its already been confirmed a bug, CCP should reimburse the status drop.
Quite correct that a bug report would be the way to get this info to development. Petitions go to GMs.
Notwithstanding that the issue you are describing and this issue are separate, as this issue has never arisen in the game before now (nor could it have, really, without a crazy chain of coincidence happening). The Crimewatch system has never been stressed with this many edge cases and mitigating factors before and we will endeavour to react quickly in identifying and resolving issues as they arise. CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
230
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:22:00 -
[49] - Quote
As intended, expect a "fix" sometime on Tuesday....in June 'twas the night before Jitageddon and all through 4-4. Not a freighter was undocked, not even the transports. Outside the undock was Goonswarm, floating with care. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
736
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:23:00 -
[50] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Potrondal Morrison wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Schalac wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Posting to confirm that this is indeed a bug and we are looking into the cause of it now. More information to follow. I posted a petition over a week ago now about concord warnings not showing up when you were about to unknowingly commit a crime. Still didn't recieve a message or anything on it, maybe you guys need to check your logs a little faster. Perhaps a bug report would have been more effective than a petition. A bug report wont get your sec status back up, its already been confirmed a bug, CCP should reimburse the status drop. Quite correct that a bug report would be the way to get this info to development. Petitions go to GMs. Notwithstanding that the issue you are describing and this issue are separate, as this issue has never arisen in the game before now (nor could it have, really, without a crazy chain of coincidence happening). The Crimewatch system has never been stressed with this many edge cases and mitigating factors before and we will endeavour to react quickly in identifying and resolving issues as they arise.
Can you give us any details on this bug, for avoiding any appearance of us exploiting it? We wish to make the players in Jita suffer for their sins, but wish to do so honorably and within the EULA and TOS. |
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Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
29
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:29:00 -
[51] - Quote
Ris Dnalor wrote:even CONCORD wants to burn Jita
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129146242411271574.jpg
The Valdspar is Holy, it must be allowed to float free. Free of lesser rocks that try to clutter it's Holy Path though the Heavens. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
410
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:31:00 -
[52] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Notwithstanding that the issue you are describing and this issue are separate, as this issue has never arisen in the game before now (nor could it have, really, without a crazy chain of coincidence happening). The Crimewatch system has never been stressed with this many edge cases and mitigating factors before and we will endeavour to react quickly in identifying and resolving issues as they arise.
Thanks for working on this bug. I hope you guys figure it out soon.
Confirming that my poor NPC alts took a couple major security hits and lost their km-****ing noob ships last night. This will be dealt with!
But in all seriousness, thanks for working on it. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
102
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:32:00 -
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Pretty much typical CCP.
I'd love CCP to explain why some additional combat in a system that has it's own node, still requires huge Tidi.
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
213
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:39:00 -
[54] - Quote
Xython wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Potrondal Morrison wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Schalac wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Posting to confirm that this is indeed a bug and we are looking into the cause of it now. More information to follow. I posted a petition over a week ago now about concord warnings not showing up when you were about to unknowingly commit a crime. Still didn't recieve a message or anything on it, maybe you guys need to check your logs a little faster. Perhaps a bug report would have been more effective than a petition. A bug report wont get your sec status back up, its already been confirmed a bug, CCP should reimburse the status drop. Quite correct that a bug report would be the way to get this info to development. Petitions go to GMs. Notwithstanding that the issue you are describing and this issue are separate, as this issue has never arisen in the game before now (nor could it have, really, without a crazy chain of coincidence happening). The Crimewatch system has never been stressed with this many edge cases and mitigating factors before and we will endeavour to react quickly in identifying and resolving issues as they arise. Can you give us any details on this bug, for avoiding any appearance of us exploiting it? We wish to make the players in Jita suffer for their sins, but wish to do so honorably and within the EULA and TOS.
Well, it's not exploitable firstly, so no trouble there. I don't want to go into the details of the reproduction cases though in case some cunning person proves me wrong and finds a way to exploit it! Fair warning folks - details of this should be sent to us in bug reports and any appearing in this thread or others will be deleted. CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
9
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:40:00 -
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THIS IS AN ANNOUNCEMENT:
"Due to the TIME FLUX issues in JITA during the massive campaign between Capsuleers Concorde have started a shoot first ask questions later policy.
There ARE enough Concorde officials on stations and gates to HANDLE the rouge Capsuleers.
Any pilot that try to make a name for himself in their 'assistance' to Concorde better go do this some other place in space."
I think Time Flux is the same as time dilation. |
Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.04.27 16:42:00 -
[56] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:Pretty much typical CCP. I'd love CCP to explain why some additional combat in a system that has it's own node, still requires huge Tidi.
It's called "lag avoidance" and is an intended feature of TiDi. You're welcome! |
Deathjoker
Claymore Inc DRACONIAN COVENANT
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:04:00 -
[57] - Quote
I had this happen to me too. I got concorded after shooting a flashy red - twice. I also got killed a third time by the navy. After being blown up I made sure that I had no aggro timers running - concord, navy or otherwise.
What's interesting is that after being concorded the first time and undocking with clear timers people tried to shoot me the first time I undocked (i spammed dock) but not the second time. I then shot a flashy abaddon (which got pwnd by concord) and got concorded.
The second time I undocked and had a whole bunch of people, including a tornado try to shoot me only to get concorded in return. This time I was again clear of any timers. I then proceeded to shoot goons in a barrel for a good 10-20 minutes when a caldari navy sentry gun suddenly decided I was unwelcome in Caldari space. I lost my ship to the navy but had no GCC or aggro to NPCS until the gun started shooting me.
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Cookies'n'Cream
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:11:00 -
[58] - Quote
Disdaine wrote:So there I was, thinking of undocking for the first time in months to shoot some flashies, then I saw this and the pod thread, set another long train and alt-shift-q'd.
Keep up the good work CCP.
Part of playing in an MMO filled with emergent gameplay is just this - emergent problems.
CCP is not psychic, sometimes all they can do is react when something buggy is reported, and a fix may not always happen on YOUR time schedule.
I mean, FFS. Were you seriously just sitting there waiting for a month so you could shoot flashies without leaving high sec? |
Devoyd
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:34:00 -
[59] - Quote
Sirinda wrote:Also, he didn't get the "You're about to commit a crime" dialogue even though he had the option for it active. So that is a bug.
This.
Confirmed. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2951
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:38:00 -
[60] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Potrondal Morrison wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Schalac wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Posting to confirm that this is indeed a bug and we are looking into the cause of it now. More information to follow. I posted a petition over a week ago now about concord warnings not showing up when you were about to unknowingly commit a crime. Still didn't recieve a message or anything on it, maybe you guys need to check your logs a little faster. Perhaps a bug report would have been more effective than a petition. A bug report wont get your sec status back up, its already been confirmed a bug, CCP should reimburse the status drop. Quite correct that a bug report would be the way to get this info to development. Petitions go to GMs. Notwithstanding that the issue you are describing and this issue are separate, as this issue has never arisen in the game before now (nor could it have, really, without a crazy chain of coincidence happening). The Crimewatch system has never been stressed with this many edge cases and mitigating factors before and we will endeavour to react quickly in identifying and resolving issues as they arise. You're welcome! Glad we could help. |
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Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:38:00 -
[61] - Quote
I'm very happy to hear this is a bug, and not a case of "The Logs, they show nothing." :)
Annoying as it may be, I fully understand how these issues could have arisin.. Stress Tests on SiSi take place in null, So I doubt there has been nearly as much testing on TiDI and it's interactions with Crimewatch/Concord/etc.
Might be worth, in the future, moving stress tests alternating between Null, Low, and Highsec, to help detect any future issues. |
D3F4ULT
51
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:42:00 -
[62] - Quote
Can't wait till FanFest 2013 to see the graphs and then a comparison graph on how you guys fixed everything. Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:47:00 -
[63] - Quote
Good thing they are putting out all these new dumb expansions when you have bugs that can cause sec + ship lose... LOL.
Failing for 2 years so far CCP
Still aint fixed the lag... calling lag a feature is not fixing it and now lul....
EVERYONE SHOULD PETITION FOR REPLACEMENT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA Load up that petition system really well. |
qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
9
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:54:00 -
[64] - Quote
adam smash wrote:Good thing they are putting out all these new dumb expansions when you have bugs that can cause sec + ship lose... LOL.
Failing for 2 years so far CCP
Still aint fixed the lag... calling lag a feature is not fixing it and now lul....
EVERYONE SHOULD PETITION FOR REPLACEMENT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA Load up that petition system really well.
Let me tell you about those 15 times in 2009 I jumped through a gate, all was black for 30-45 min, so I logged to find I was DEAD.
Or the times when my ship was killed 4 hours AFTER I logged off.
Or when someone managed to lose a whole fleet because no mods would activate, could not warp out and no ships disappeared until DT and all was scanned down and killed by Evil Thugs crew?
If you do NOT intend to lose your ship, dock up. Fleet battles with more than 300 people have ALWAYS been fought WITH the X-Factor. This is a battle of 2000+ people, so, count on the X-Factors, and prepare to die if you open fire on anything.
Working as intended, but better than it ever has in the past. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
216
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:56:00 -
[65] - Quote
Sentinel Smith wrote:I'm very happy to hear this is a bug, and not a case of "The Logs, they show nothing." :)
Annoying as it may be, I fully understand how these issues could have arisin.. Stress Tests on SiSi take place in null, So I doubt there has been nearly as much testing on TiDI and it's interactions with Crimewatch/Concord/etc.
Might be worth, in the future, moving stress tests alternating between Null, Low, and Highsec, to help detect any future issues.
There has been plenty of testing, but replicating this particular scenario (which would be best described as an edge case) and then finding the defect (also an edge case) while also replicating all other possible edge cases would be a massive waste of time and resources and frankly almost impossible to do. No-one tests like that because of the wasteful nature of the testing, so you must account for the fact that edge cases arise, and if they are severe enough they get fixed at a high priority. The chance of finding this bug would be the loose equivalent of finding a needle in a haystack which only appears when you are with three friends all performing an unrehearsed dance routine in a particular order.
When you say stress testing, I believe you are referring to mass testing, which only accounts for a tiny portion of our QA efforts and needs to cover a wide variety of topics each time - usually newer ones. For proper stress testing we use different techniques but none would have the individual manpower capable of finding a defect like this with any degree of confidence to make it worthwhile. CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
206
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:02:00 -
[66] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Sentinel Smith wrote:I'm very happy to hear this is a bug, and not a case of "The Logs, they show nothing." :)
Annoying as it may be, I fully understand how these issues could have arisin.. Stress Tests on SiSi take place in null, So I doubt there has been nearly as much testing on TiDI and it's interactions with Crimewatch/Concord/etc.
Might be worth, in the future, moving stress tests alternating between Null, Low, and Highsec, to help detect any future issues. There has been plenty of testing, but replicating this particular scenario (which would be best described as an edge case) and then finding the defect (also an edge case) while also replicating all other possible edge cases would be a massive waste of time and resources and frankly almost impossible to do. No-one tests like that because of the wasteful nature of the testing, so you must account for the fact that edge cases arise, and if they are severe enough they get fixed at a high priority. The chance of finding this bug would be the loose equivalent of finding a needle in a haystack which only appears when you are with three friends all performing an unrehearsed dance routine in a particular order. When you say stress testing, I believe you are referring to mass testing, which only accounts for a tiny portion of our QA efforts and needs to cover a wide variety of topics each time - usually newer ones. For proper stress testing we use different techniques but none would have the individual manpower capable of finding a defect like this with any degree of confidence to make it worthwhile.
So, again - you're welcome. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:02:00 -
[67] - Quote
It seems that even CONCORD wants to kill people in Jita. |
Tractus Vesica
Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing
4
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:04:00 -
[68] - Quote
Same problem here, made another thread about it here.
Other thread
But this one deserves the attention as it is larger. I'm not a fan of losing around 70 mil in ships and 1.1 in Sec. status due to an overview screw up.
Best example I have is here.
Really? We all threw ships away for a Kestrel? Paranoia is the glue which holds 0.0 together. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1306
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:05:00 -
[69] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:
There has been plenty of testing, but replicating this particular scenario (which would be best described as an edge case) and then finding the defect (also an edge case) while also replicating all other possible edge cases would be a massive waste of time and resources and frankly almost impossible to do.
Pretty sure you've had plenty of notice that this particular edge case was coming. I'm also pretty sure that you should have realized this particular edge case would have a major impact on the game.
I have to as myself then, why was this particular edge case not thoroughly tested before it was too late?
I have my suspicions as to why, but I don't need any more of my posts deleted today so I'll just keep them to myself.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
40
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:08:00 -
[70] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote: The chance of finding this bug would be the loose equivalent of finding a needle in a haystack which only appears when you are with three friends all performing an unrehearsed dance routine in a particular order.
When you say stress testing, I believe you are referring to mass testing, which only accounts for a tiny portion of our QA efforts and needs to cover a wide variety of topics each time - usually newer ones. For proper stress testing we use different techniques but none would have the individual manpower capable of finding a defect like this with any degree of confidence to make it worthwhile.
Confirming that systems boundry-conditions testing and validation is a massive PITA, and cannot, no matter how many resources you throw at it, ever account for every possibility.
Hell, you're lucky to get 95% of the more common possiblites, most times. I'd say CCP has done their work very well. no doubt, they'll be going over the logs with a magnifying glass for months after Jita smoulders out.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
220
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:16:00 -
[71] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:
There has been plenty of testing, but replicating this particular scenario (which would be best described as an edge case) and then finding the defect (also an edge case) while also replicating all other possible edge cases would be a massive waste of time and resources and frankly almost impossible to do.
Pretty sure you've had plenty of notice that this particular edge case was coming. I'm also pretty sure that you should have realized this particular edge case would have a major impact on the game. I have to ask myself then, why was this particular edge case not thoroughly tested before it was too late? I have my suspicions as to why, but I don't need any more of my posts deleted today so I'll just keep them to myself. Mr Epeen
You're using "edge case" in the wrong context twice there, also we don't test based around specific player driven events, we test based on professionally built, planned test cases. It's not like someone goes "hey Goons are going to be in Jita next week, let's try recreating it on a tiny scale on Sisi to see if we hit anything". That would be, as I have said, a massive waste of time. CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
1029
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:19:00 -
[72] - Quote
Forget bugs, they're all fine and all but why was my post where I berated that terrible catalyst fit get deleted without warning? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
482
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:22:00 -
[73] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:You're using "edge case" in the wrong context twice there, also we don't test based around specific player driven events, we test based on professionally built, planned test cases. It's not like someone goes "hey Goons are going to be in Jita next week, let's try recreating it on a tiny scale on Sisi to see if we hit anything". That would be, as I have said, a massive waste of time. How would a tiny scale "2000 character lagest in jita" even work? Can you artificially stress the server to that kind of extent? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
220
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:23:00 -
[74] - Quote
The issue should now be fixed, but please keep reports/petitions/BRs coming if things go awry again.
CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
220
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:23:00 -
[75] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:You're using "edge case" in the wrong context twice there, also we don't test based around specific player driven events, we test based on professionally built, planned test cases. It's not like someone goes "hey Goons are going to be in Jita next week, let's try recreating it on a tiny scale on Sisi to see if we hit anything". That would be, as I have said, a massive waste of time. How would a tiny scale "2000 character lag-fest in jita" even work? Can you artificially stress the server to that kind of extent?
Yes we can automate that kind of scale, but it wouldn't be representative or controllable enough to find this issue. CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
40
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:29:00 -
[76] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:You're using "edge case" in the wrong context twice there, also we don't test based around specific player driven events, we test based on professionally built, planned test cases. It's not like someone goes "hey Goons are going to be in Jita next week, let's try recreating it on a tiny scale on Sisi to see if we hit anything". That would be, as I have said, a massive waste of time. How would a tiny scale "2000 character lag-fest in jita" even work? Can you artificially stress the server to that kind of extent? Yes we can automate that kind of scale, but it wouldn't be representative or controllable enough to find this issue. 'Cause, quite frankly, no automation - anywhere - is going to be able to duplicate the kinds of crazy and unpredictablle things some 2000 humans are going to do.
Simulations don't.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
225
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:31:00 -
[77] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:
You're using "edge case" in the wrong context twice there, also we don't test based around specific player driven events, we test based on professionally built, planned test cases. It's not like someone goes "hey Goons are going to be in Jita next week, let's try recreating it on a tiny scale on Sisi to see if we hit anything". That would be, as I have said, a massive waste of time.
How much of a waste of time is it going to be when all the petitions for reimbursement of ships because you failed to see the inevitable come rolling in? Better to fix a problem before it happens. Less manpower wasted. Mr Epeen
To paraphrase one of my favourite films: you're out of your element. I could take a development team and spend a year manually testing all possible permutations of the relationship two systems could have with each other and still not clear 90% of use cases. Obviously this is wasteful, far more so than dealing with some reimbursement petitions (which, while regrettable, are still an efficient way of clearing up the mess this issue has created). Fixing something before it is found is presumably the Minority Report method of testing? CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
40
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:32:00 -
[78] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:
You're using "edge case" in the wrong context twice there, also we don't test based around specific player driven events, we test based on professionally built, planned test cases. It's not like someone goes "hey Goons are going to be in Jita next week, let's try recreating it on a tiny scale on Sisi to see if we hit anything". That would be, as I have said, a massive waste of time.
How much of a waste of time is it going to be when all the petitions for reimbursement of ships because you failed to see the inevitable come rolling in? Better to fix a problem before it happens. Less manpower wasted. Mr Epeen Actually, no. I'm pretty sure that handling all the petitions will be much less man-power intensive than the kinds of testing you're asking for.
Testing and validation is a MASSIVE PITA, and is incredibly fiddly and finicky, if done right. And you don't want what would happen if the testing were done slap-dash. Seriously.
Edit: Damn. Beaten to it. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
225
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:34:00 -
[79] - Quote
Ager Agemo wrote:i m curious, why is the issue caused exactly? any technical details?
The long and short of it is that the interaction between Crimewatch and Time Dilation prompted a little "disagreement" on criminal status. CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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Drago Palermus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:36:00 -
[80] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Notwithstanding that the issue you are describing and this issue are separate, as this issue has never arisen in the game before now (nor could it have, really, without a crazy chain of coincidence happening). The Crimewatch system has never been stressed with this many edge cases and mitigating factors before and we will endeavour to react quickly in identifying and resolving issues as they arise. So what you're saying is we're an indispensable part of the QA team? That we suss out problems that were previously unknowable? That we ensure CCP job security by pushing your code and hardware to the limits and then some?
I'm blushing over here... |
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Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
68
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:37:00 -
[81] - Quote
I submitted a petition, and I guess I will put in a bug report as well - but i was concorded when I legally shot a flashy. Is my sec status going to be fixed for this? |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
249
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:38:00 -
[82] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:i m curious, why is the issue caused exactly? any technical details? The long and short of it is that the interaction between Crimewatch and Time Dilation prompted a little "disagreement" on criminal status. Did it cause any lag |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:38:00 -
[83] - Quote
So maybe you can tell us all something mr dev
Eve is 9-10 years old yes?
FULL of bugs out the ass...
World of tanks just hit 1 year.
The biggest "bug" people complain about is in fact how things should work (not detecting camo netted tanks)
Can ya tell us why eve is just so full of fail when another game is so full of idk WIN?
Can you tell us why when WoT had server lag it took them 2 weeks to fix the issue yet took CCP years to call lag a feature, and still did not get it right?
Bug testing taking time my ass.... this just shows how little you people know...
No one ever thought "O hey since we are slowing down X let's make sure Y Z all tick at the same time"
Idk where I live... that is what gets you places... not sitting around being a brain dead code monkey. |
Carton Mantory
Occassus Republica Trade Wind Commodities
10
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:39:00 -
[84] - Quote
I find out of a bad situation something good will come. Crimewatch priority up a couple notches...... |
whaynethepain
44
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:39:00 -
[85] - Quote
Hi, I received a GCC for shooting Outlaws, and was Concorded, without warning, at Jita 4-4.
I waited out the timers and re-shipped and was Concorded for opening fire on hostile outlaws once more, without warnings.
I know Concord are busy and have much to do, would it be possible to give them one of them re-inforced nodes to keep up with stuff, rather than just shooting anyone that aggressives?
I understand this is probably an unforeseen edge case log, and I wish you good luck with that, sounds quite painful.
I would also like to use this opportunity to thank CCP for all their efforts to bring the Eve-Online community together and expand the user base, nice one, keep up the good work. Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
41
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:39:00 -
[86] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:i m curious, why is the issue caused exactly? any technical details? The long and short of it is that the interaction between Crimewatch and Time Dilation prompted a little "disagreement" on criminal status. :: nods :: Figgured it was somesuch.
Gotta say, though - the results were pretty epic. And, when you think of it - in a 'real' furball of that nature, a LOT of such mistakes would've happened anyway. 'Friendly fire' is the second child of the fog of war; the first child is 'loss of situational awareness.' Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
229
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:40:00 -
[87] - Quote
Gritz1 wrote:I submitted a petition, and I guess I will put in a bug report as well - but i was concorded when I legally shot a flashy. Is my sec status going to be fixed for this?
This doesn't require a bug report as we have now fixed the issue. Your petition will be dealt with in due course and I cannot comment on possible outcomes. CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
229
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:44:00 -
[88] - Quote
whaynethepain wrote:Hi, I received a GCC for shooting Outlaws, and was Concorded, without warning, at Jita 4-4.
I waited out the timers and re-shipped and was Concorded for opening fire on hostile outlaws once more, without warnings.
I know Concord are busy and have much to do, would it be possible to give them one of them re-inforced nodes to keep up with stuff, rather than just shooting anyone that aggressives?
I understand this is probably an unforeseen edge case log, and I wish you good luck with that, sounds quite painful.
I would also like to use this opportunity to thank CCP for all their efforts to bring the Eve-Online community together and expand the user base, nice one, keep up the good work.
This sounds like you encountered the issue described in this thread. While the issue is now fixed, some people regrettably lost ships and security status. Please submit a petition if you feel you have unjustly lost your assets and this will be reviewed by our diligent Customer Support team. CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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Potrondal Morrison
The Scope Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:46:00 -
[89] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Gritz1 wrote:I submitted a petition, and I guess I will put in a bug report as well - but i was concorded when I legally shot a flashy. Is my sec status going to be fixed for this? This doesn't require a bug report as we have now fixed the issue. Your petition will be dealt with in due course and I cannot comment on possible outcomes.
That does not sound like a resounding yes. If not then thats just BS. |
whaynethepain
44
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:48:00 -
[90] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:whaynethepain wrote:grumble grumble This sounds like you encountered the issue described in this thread. While the issue is now fixed, some people regrettably lost ships and security status. Please submit a petition if you feel you have unjustly lost your assets and this will be reviewed by our diligent Customer Support team.
You guys really are sharp and efficient, nice one, respect to ya, many thanks.
Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1087
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:50:00 -
[91] - Quote
Potrondal Morrison wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Gritz1 wrote:I submitted a petition, and I guess I will put in a bug report as well - but i was concorded when I legally shot a flashy. Is my sec status going to be fixed for this? This doesn't require a bug report as we have now fixed the issue. Your petition will be dealt with in due course and I cannot comment on possible outcomes. That does not sound like a resounding yes. If not then thats just BS.
Without the petition and every single relevent detail sat in front of him, it would be borderline stupid for him to comment on the case. There is no reason to.
Your "look! look! He isn't saying what I specifically want him to!" is Fox News style commentary. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
221
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:50:00 -
[92] - Quote
A resounding yes would have to come from a GM, via a petition :) They will check on a case by case basis which cannot happen on the forums
Potrondal Morrison wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Gritz1 wrote:I submitted a petition, and I guess I will put in a bug report as well - but i was concorded when I legally shot a flashy. Is my sec status going to be fixed for this? This doesn't require a bug report as we have now fixed the issue. Your petition will be dealt with in due course and I cannot comment on possible outcomes. That does not sound like a resounding yes. If not then thats just BS.
CCP Affinity | Team Five 0 |-á @CCP_Affinity |
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Tantabobo
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:51:00 -
[93] - Quote
Potrondal Morrison wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Gritz1 wrote:I submitted a petition, and I guess I will put in a bug report as well - but i was concorded when I legally shot a flashy. Is my sec status going to be fixed for this? This doesn't require a bug report as we have now fixed the issue. Your petition will be dealt with in due course and I cannot comment on possible outcomes. That does not sound like a resounding yes. If not then thats just BS.
He can't give a resounding yes, he has no idea of the situation that took place. It could very well turn out that the guy fired on the wrong target and was justifiably eliminated by CONCORD.
Anything short of, "case by case" basis would be the wrong course of action for an event like this. |
Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:51:00 -
[94] - Quote
Potrondal Morrison wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Gritz1 wrote:I submitted a petition, and I guess I will put in a bug report as well - but i was concorded when I legally shot a flashy. Is my sec status going to be fixed for this? This doesn't require a bug report as we have now fixed the issue. Your petition will be dealt with in due course and I cannot comment on possible outcomes. That does not sound like a resounding yes. If not then thats just BS.
Its a "I'm a code monkey and therefore don't have to deal with customer service complaints; we have a support staff for that and I won't override/step on their toes" response.
Or to put it another way: When your car breaks down, do you call the billing department to resolve the issue? |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
606
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:54:00 -
[95] - Quote
Quote:Concorded and sec status lost, why? Good question, why is it only sec status lost? Sec status loss is so minimal as an inconvience and way easy to replace, thought EVE was supposed to be harsh and all that crap so there needs to be a better incentive to not lose your ship. Why cannot it be skill point loss, but its not CONCORD that is doing it and its just when your ship goes pop...dude can pop a hulk/freighter, hulk/freighter loses skillpoint, dude who shot the hulk/freighter loses skillpoints to CONCORD...but then at the same time mission runners screwing up your triggers, getting caught in a bubble at a gate...all cause you to lose skillpoints when your ship goes pop anywhere in EVE. And it does't prevent you from ganking since you can still do it, as the other ship isn't auto-protected since it will still get destroyed and you just have to have the balls to do it. You get to inflict it, but subject to it as well and its an inconvience that hurts down the very core of your soul....win/win in my book |
Tractus Vesica
Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:55:00 -
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I'm just going to say what everyone is thinking. As long as I'm reimbursed for my ships and sec. status I don't really care about this bug. Why? Because it's such a specific bug that we will likely not see it again for months, years, or potentially ever.
Think about it, how often do you have every last person in Jita shooting each other?
Just give me my stuff back, do what you can to fix this, and I'll be a happy consumer. Paranoia is the glue which holds 0.0 together. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
234
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:58:00 -
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Tractus Vesica wrote:I'm just going to say what everyone is thinking. As long as I'm reimbursed for my ships and sec. status I don't really care about this bug. Why? Because it's such a specific bug that we will likely not see it again for months, years, or potentially ever.
Think about it, how often do you have every last person in Jita shooting each other?
Just give me my stuff back, do what you can to fix this, and I'll be a happy consumer.
Make sure you have a petition submitted - we obviously won't address reimbursement claims that haven't been made! CCP Goliath | QA Director | @CCP_Goliath |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
221
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:59:00 -
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Tractus Vesica wrote:I'm just going to say what everyone is thinking. As long as I'm reimbursed for my ships and sec. status I don't really care about this bug. Why? Because it's such a specific bug that we will likely not see it again for months, years, or potentially ever.
Think about it, how often do you have every last person in Jita shooting each other?
Just give me my stuff back, do what you can to fix this, and I'll be a happy consumer.
we have already fixed it :) File a petition for any reimbursement.
-- :( Goliath types too fast! CCP Affinity | Team Five 0 |-á @CCP_Affinity |
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Tractus Vesica
Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing
5
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Posted - 2012.04.27 18:59:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:Tractus Vesica wrote:I'm just going to say what everyone is thinking. As long as I'm reimbursed for my ships and sec. status I don't really care about this bug. Why? Because it's such a specific bug that we will likely not see it again for months, years, or potentially ever.
Think about it, how often do you have every last person in Jita shooting each other?
Just give me my stuff back, do what you can to fix this, and I'll be a happy consumer. we have already fixed it :) File a petition for any reimbursement. -- :( Goliath types too fast!
Done and done. Also that was a quick bug fix, you guys really know your stuff. :) Paranoia is the glue which holds 0.0 together. |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.04.27 20:15:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:i m curious, why is the issue caused exactly? any technical details? The long and short of it is that the interaction between Crimewatch and Time Dilation prompted a little "disagreement" on criminal status. This was kinda my point with my eariler post..
I mean there have been several Stress Tests on Sisi since Nov, all of which that I looked at happened in Nullsec.. With TiDi being new(ish) I'm just saying that it would have been a good idea, or would be a good idea in the future, to sometimes run those test in Low and Highsec.. To ensure the interactions continue to work.. After all Nullsec is a little more clean than high and low, no dealing with GCC's, Navies, and now Crimewatch.. So checking to ensure Sentry Guns, Navies, Concord, all continue to work as intended..
Could you forsee this exact situation ? No.. But to forsee a large, multi-fleet battle in highsec having actions taken that would bring in concord and navies... I think that one is something that if it wasn't before, should now be on the testing schedule..
Maybe a test on Sisi wouldn't have found this.. But then again maybe one would have found that TiDi in Highsec leads to Criminal Countdown going out of sync..
In any case I'm glad that it's fixed [ hopefully :D ], and mean no disrespect.. I'm a Web Developer, My life is full of finding the edge case scenario that could exist.. I'm sure everyone is doing their best, but whenever a bug is found in the field, it's a good time to look at how we can adjust our testing to try and ensure that no bug like that happens again.. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1310
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Posted - 2012.04.27 20:23:00 -
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Sentinel Smith wrote:
Could you forsee this exact situation ? No..
I have to disagree. This exact situation has been the talk of the forums for what? A month now?
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
48
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Posted - 2012.04.27 20:27:00 -
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I don't really care about reimbursement. Only issue is that Caldari navy shoots me on sight and that I can't participate in the party in Jita. Considering the average time for treating a petition it's dead for the whole week end. :sad panda:
Short time trader, short term missionner, long term ambitions.
Bring justice to EVE:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1171333 |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
34
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Posted - 2012.04.27 20:28:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:i m curious, why is the issue caused exactly? any technical details? The long and short of it is that the interaction between Crimewatch and Time Dilation prompted a little "disagreement" on criminal status. I'm pretty THIS is the Minority Report method |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:08:00 -
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I can't wait to see the wailing when they discover just how long it takes CCP to answer petitions like this. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2952
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:11:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:Tractus Vesica wrote:I'm just going to say what everyone is thinking. As long as I'm reimbursed for my ships and sec. status I don't really care about this bug. Why? Because it's such a specific bug that we will likely not see it again for months, years, or potentially ever.
Think about it, how often do you have every last person in Jita shooting each other?
Just give me my stuff back, do what you can to fix this, and I'll be a happy consumer. we have already fixed it :) File a petition for any reimbursement. -- :( Goliath types too fast! I hope you look at these carefully, because a lot of pubbies are doing dumb things and getting concorded in completely legitimate ways (like trying to shoot our ships before they've committed a criminal act), and I expect they'll all try to petition and claim it was a bug when it was nothing of the sort. |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
226
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:26:00 -
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I have full confidence in the customer support department to look at the cases very carefully :)
Weaselior wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:Tractus Vesica wrote:I'm just going to say what everyone is thinking. As long as I'm reimbursed for my ships and sec. status I don't really care about this bug. Why? Because it's such a specific bug that we will likely not see it again for months, years, or potentially ever.
Think about it, how often do you have every last person in Jita shooting each other?
Just give me my stuff back, do what you can to fix this, and I'll be a happy consumer. we have already fixed it :) File a petition for any reimbursement. -- :( Goliath types too fast! I hope you look at these carefully, because a lot of pubbies are doing dumb things and getting concorded in completely legitimate ways (like trying to shoot our ships before they've committed a criminal act), and I expect they'll all try to petition and claim it was a bug when it was nothing of the sort.
CCP Affinity | Team Five 0 |-á @CCP_Affinity |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1687
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:31:00 -
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adam smash wrote:So maybe you can tell us all something mr dev
Eve is 9-10 years old yes?
FULL of bugs out the ass...
World of tanks just hit 1 year.
The biggest "bug" people complain about is in fact how things should work (not detecting camo netted tanks)
Can ya tell us why eve is just so full of fail when another game is so full of idk WIN?
Can you tell us why when WoT had server lag it took them 2 weeks to fix the issue yet took CCP years to call lag a feature, and still did not get it right?
Bug testing taking time my ass.... this just shows how little you people know...
No one ever thought "O hey since we are slowing down X let's make sure Y Z all tick at the same time"
Idk where I live... that is what gets you places... not sitting around being a brain dead code monkey.
Adam, consider yourself lucky anyone took the time to notice your rather inept troll... but I had a moment ot kill.
WOT has 30 people max interacting at the same time. On a slow day, EVE has 30K.
Now go back to your cave. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
166
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Posted - 2012.04.27 22:00:00 -
[108] - Quote
Ris Dnalor wrote:even CONCORD wants to burn Jita
I heard the Goons spiked concord office's dounuts with frentix & the police went postal To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.04.28 06:10:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:I have full confidence in the customer support department to look at the cases very carefully :) Question, do you, or to the GM's..
Assuming kills from this bug are reimbursed [ as they should be, this was a game bug ] will our modules be returned, along with the ship ? I know *normally* it's just modules that didn't drop. But in this case, they wouldn't have dropped if we were not victims of Concord, and with the Activity, and the GCC, we obviously could not go back to loot our own wrecks and recover any drops..
I ask because my alt dropped everything.. So getting just the Hull back, while a step in the right direction of course, is still only half way there :/ |
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CCP Affinity
C C P C C P Alliance
229
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Posted - 2012.04.29 11:15:00 -
[110] - Quote
Sentinel Smith wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:I have full confidence in the customer support department to look at the cases very carefully :) Question, do you, or to the GM's.. Assuming kills from this bug are reimbursed [ as they should be, this was a game bug ] will our modules be returned, along with the ship ? I know *normally* it's just modules that didn't drop. But in this case, they wouldn't have dropped if we were not victims of Concord, and with the Activity, and the GCC, we obviously could not go back to loot our own wrecks and recover any drops.. I ask because my alt dropped everything.. So getting just the Hull back, while a step in the right direction of course, is still only half way there :/
Unfortunately I am unable to answer that - The GMs will look at each case individually and judge the best course of action :) CCP Affinity | Team Five 0 |-á @CCP_Affinity |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
167
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:40:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:I have full confidence in the customer support department to look at the cases very carefully :)
I have little to no confidence these sec status changes will take place in under a week so the peeps might as well grind thier status up now and maybe if lucky they'll beat out the time the petition finally gets looks at and fixed you'll be able to fly again in hi sec 2-4 days before the status is fixed. or those that are stuck in null sec & never been there Isuggest you take a week to two off of Eve hopefully it won't take longer
Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó |
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