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Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:21:00 -
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Interesting statistical dump, thanks Hardin.
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Holy Lowlander
Amarr Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin Was looking at the Alliance Ranking thingy - http://www.eve-maps.com/outpostalert/alliancerank.asp?SortType=Number - and as I have seen some debates recently about how 'big' an alliance has to be to claim some 0.0 decided to investigate the lower reaches of the table.
This is what I have found:
Smallest Sov Holding Alliances
1) Coded Arms Alliance - 1 sov system - 28 members 2) Crimson Dawn Alliance - 2 sov systems - 44 members 3) Blind Aces - 7 sov systems - 47 members 4) Gay4Life - 1 sov system - 55 members 5) Slammers Republic - 1 sov system - 57 members 6) Felony 13 - 2 sov systems - 59 members 7) Sparta - 2 sov systems - 64 members 8) Uni****- 1 sov system - 66 members 9) Immortalis Inc. Alliance - 2 sov systems - 69 members 10) Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll - 2 sov systems - 81 members
Smallest Outpost Holders
1) Event Horizon - 11 sov systems - 1 Outpost - 135 members 2) Soviet Mercenary - 12 sov systems - 1 Outpost - 172 members 3) BeachBoys - 5 sov systems - 1 Outpost - 207 members 4) INTERDICTION - 1 sov system - 1 Outpost - 262 members 5) RED.Overlord - 68 sov systems - 13 Outposts - 373 members 6) Cold Steel Alliance - 6 sov systems - 3 Outposts - 406 members 7) Stain Empire - 18 sov systems - 5 Outposts - 444 members 8) Aegis Militia - 6 sov systems - 2 Outposts - 446 members 9) Kraftwerk - 22 sov systems - 4 Outposts - 485 members 10) Legion of xXDEATHXx - 82 sov systems - 14 Outposts - 528 members
Smallest Constellation (Sov Lvl 4) Holders
1) Cold Steel Alliance - 1 Const - 406 members 2) Kraftwerk - 1 Const - 485 members 3) Legion of xXDEATHXx - 1 Const -528 members 4) C0VEN - 1 Const - 549 members 5) Paxton Federation - 1 Const - 632 members 6) SOLAR FLEET - 1 Const - 721 members 7) KIA Alliance - 2 Const - 788 members 8) Sylph Alliance - 1 Const - 813 members 9) The Initiative. - 1 Const - 918 members 10) Sev3rance - 1 Const - 1047 members
And finally... a largest list...
Largest alliances with no sov claims whatsoever
1) Ivy league - 1079 members 2) Dead Mans Hand - 685 members 3) Veritas Immortalis - 655 members 4) Minor Threat. - 641 members 5) Axiom Empire - 598 members 6) OWN Alliance - 550 members 7) New Eden Research - 525 members 8) Alternative Realities - 511 members 9) Eradictation Alliance - 475 members 10) The Council. - 471 members
I think this clearly demonstrates that the ability to obtain and hold sov is just as dependent on the ability of an alliance's leadership to work politically/diplomatically with other organisations than it is to simply have large numbers or military capability. Of course large numbers and military capability does provide negotiating leverage - but that is not always necessary!
you forgot kenzoku ?
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Faekurias
Caldari Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:07:00 -
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Kenzoku holds no outposts, but has 11 system Sovs :Kenzoku Outpost Alert ------------------------- FAEKURIAS Recruiting NOW. Join channel "Black Legion public" |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:14:00 -
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You don't need to be in a big corp or alliance to have fun.
Of course, I have no idea just what it is about constantly fueling POSes that people find fun.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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YChin Mei
Caldari The All-Seeing Eye
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Holy Lowlander you forgot kenzoku ?
Smallest Sov Holding Alliances RKZ is not small, thus cannot be listed
Smallest Outpost Holders RKZ holds no outpost, thus cannot be listed
Smallest Constellation (Sov Lvl 4) Holders RKZ doesnt have a sov4 constellation, thus cannot be listed
Largest alliances with no sov claims whatsoever RKZ claims sov in 10 systems, thus cannot be listed
Answer is no, he didnt forget Kenzoku.
Philosopher's Stone
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Garregus
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:05:00 -
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hahahaha -v- still in empire
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Psycho Lordling
Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: Cmndr Griff Edited by: Cmndr Griff on 09/03/2009 13:04:07
Quote: 1) Coded Arms Alliance - 1 sov system - 28 members
Sshh, you've blown their cover!
Hehe yeah may have done... Personally I thought this one was impressive:
5) RED.Overlord - 68 sov systems - 13 Outposts - 373 members
Talk about punching above your weight. They must really have some hardcore members to refuel all those POS
They are EXE pets.
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Bran Stormer
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:50:00 -
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I want to join Gay4Life alliance
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Dathremar
Caldari The Maverick Navy Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:17:00 -
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I find it interesting that almost half of the sov 4 holding alliances either live in Providence or around it.
Also providence has the most outposts out of any region and the most sov 4. Interesting considering it is called one of the poorest regions in the game.
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Talzaris
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Talzaris on 09/03/2009 20:22:49
Originally by: Dathremar I find it interesting that almost half of the sov 4 holding alliances either live in Providence or around it.
Also providence has the most outposts out of any region and the most sov 4. Interesting considering it is called one of the poorest regions in the game.
Outposts are pretty cheap to build compared to other things assets like titans. They're also a lot less useful than titans when you already have a few.
Outposts are a dime a dozen these days. Just look at dotlan at how many outposts go up every month. It's pretty ridiculous.
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Gramtar
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Smallest Constellation (Sov Lvl 4) Holders
1) Cold Steel Alliance - 1 Const - 406 members 2) Kraftwerk - 1 Const - 485 members
Fun fact, those industrious people at Kraftwerk dropped all of those outposts themselves. They deserve some special props for that. I don't know if any others in the list can claim that.
It begs an interesting question. How many Sov 4 constellations are comprised solely of outposts dropped by the same alliance? Maybe some in West Delve? I've only visited that area to drop cynos and shoot towers, so haven't payed much attention to whether those are all outposts or outpost/conquerable hybrids.
Although GoonSwarm has created it's share of Sov 4 constellations, I'm certain we haven't done any from scratch.
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Anna Quar
Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.09 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gramtar
Originally by: Hardin
Smallest Constellation (Sov Lvl 4) Holders
1) Cold Steel Alliance - 1 Const - 406 members 2) Kraftwerk - 1 Const - 485 members
Fun fact, those industrious people at Kraftwerk dropped all of those outposts themselves. They deserve some special props for that. I don't know if any others in the list can claim that.
It begs an interesting question. How many Sov 4 constellations are comprised solely of outposts dropped by the same alliance? Maybe some in West Delve? I've only visited that area to drop cynos and shoot towers, so haven't payed much attention to whether those are all outposts or outpost/conquerable hybrids.
Although GoonSwarm has created it's share of Sov 4 constellations, I'm certain we haven't done any from scratch.
I am pretty sure that both Cold Steel and Severance(sp?) have built all thier outposts themselves... atleast they have controled the space ever since there where no stations there.
As for the Red Overlords I believe that most of those really are logistic alts whose mains are in other PVP alliances. So it might not be that insane. Just think how many of your alliances chars even help out with pos fueling and stuff. Probably not that many
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Anita mann
Minmatar Jupiter Mining Corp.
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Posted - 2009.03.09 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Raging Knight Like what has been said, most of the small alliances with outposts are renters or are just napped to the surrounding alliances. You list Legion of death in the OP...I have a sneaky suspicion that Legion of xXDEATHXx have ties with Shadow of xXDEATHXx (over 2k members)... just speculation though
Big alliances don't necessarily want as many outposts as they can get,so if a small alliance wants to take a small section of space then that's just less refueling that the 'bigger' alliance has to do, that space is still under control of the main alliance and they most likely have all the good moons.
Also whilst your here Hardin, whats the eta on providence being a completely sov 4 region?
The funny thing is that shadow of xDeathX wears the panties in that relationship. (they rent from xdeathxXXxxx)
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Hagbard23Celine
Gallente Evoke. KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.03.09 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Talzaris Edited by: Talzaris on 09/03/2009 20:22:49
Originally by: Dathremar I find it interesting that almost half of the sov 4 holding alliances either live in Providence or around it.
Also providence has the most outposts out of any region and the most sov 4. Interesting considering it is called one of the poorest regions in the game.
Outposts are pretty cheap to build compared to other things assets like titans. They're also a lot less useful than titans when you already have a few.
Outposts are a dime a dozen these days. Just look at dotlan at how many outposts go up every month. It's pretty ridiculous.
I think this outpost in prov are more usefull for the holders than any titan would be. Try to invade prov and break all those sov 4 constellations ^^. And dont forget, CVA and friends let the carebears go rat/mine in prov and they are allowed to dock so this region got a better market than most low sec and some empire regions. Also they got the docking fee and now tell me what they should use a titan for? Titan bridge while they got maybe on of the best jb networks in eve. Or even better who should they dd with it? Small roamings to get no more pvp?
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Vasili Z
Minmatar Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.09 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Vasili Z on 09/03/2009 21:44:56 pretty interesting, good post -------
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Funkcikle
Gallente DEATHFUNK Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 00:32:00 -
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Now do a statistical analysis of Alliance leaders height vs number of members controlled in tyranical grip
I'm 6'1 and have a teeny tiny alliance, Sir Molle certainlly appeared to be a bit on the shortishish side, from the photos ( although it might have been the diminishing effect of the hat he was wearing)
Could there be a genuine correlation ?
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.10 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Funkcikle Now do a statistical analysis of Alliance leaders height vs number of members controlled in tyranical grip
I'm 6'1 and have a teeny tiny alliance, Sir Molle certainlly appeared to be a bit on the shortishish side, from the photos ( although it might have been the diminishing effect of the hat he was wearing)
Could there be a genuine correlation ?
Could be true - but until they publish the data on EVE Maps we will never know ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services
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Rameus Luxmaar
Caldari Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:37:00 -
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Immortalis Inc. Alliance is actually , Shadow Cartel
This was corrected after a alliance creation snafu a few months back... fing cat hitting the enter key in the middle of creation FTL!! + a week of petitions to get it corrected ...
In any case nice work Hardin on the data collection and post. _________________________________
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Funkcikle
Gallente DEATHFUNK Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rameus Luxmaar Immortalis Inc. Alliance is actually , Shadow Cartel
This was corrected after a alliance creation snafu a few months back... fing cat hitting the enter key in the middle of creation FTL!! + a week of petitions to get it corrected ...
In any case nice work Hardin on the data collection and post.
how tall are you m8 ?
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Alycia Amiaz
Amarr Lyonesse. KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:41:00 -
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Very interesting post Hardin, was a good read.
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Dumah Tace
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.11 08:01:00 -
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Good topic, and even if some of them are alt corps or part of coalitions, it's pretty informative.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Caldari AMT. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:31:00 -
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So in other words, no matter how small you are there will always be someone to nap to get a bit of space. You just have to talk to enough ppl to get your space in eve.
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Rameus Luxmaar
Caldari Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Funkcikle
Originally by: Rameus Luxmaar Immortalis Inc. Alliance is actually , Shadow Cartel
This was corrected after a alliance creation snafu a few months back... fing cat hitting the enter key in the middle of creation FTL!! + a week of petitions to get it corrected ...
In any case nice work Hardin on the data collection and post.
how tall are you m8 ?
lol ...
Funk Im 6ft 7in tall.... good luck getting data from everyone haha _________________________________
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Funkcikle
Gallente DEATHFUNK Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 04:45:00 -
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Whoa thar thats a big bugger, and if you can tell me how many digits your member count is ? (nudge nudge, wink is a good as a nod to a blind man)
hardin u writing this sh*t down ?
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Trebor Notlimah
Gallente Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.03.12 05:28:00 -
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WOOHOOO -- You can take Doctrine off that list. The campaign in Cloud Ring is going well for them!(+Dead,Un-Nat,E-RAD,Veritas) I believe a congrats is in order.
Sweet Linkage
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Ringlord
Caldari DEATHFUNK Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:46:00 -
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we just wanted to see how POS'es work =O
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Junkie Beverage
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Faekurias Edited by: Faekurias on 09/03/2009 17:08:18 Kenzoku holds no outposts, but has 11 system Sovs :Kenzoku Outpost Alert
Edit: P.s ; over 3228 members
thanks for the list - i will probably start working on this in about 12 hours <:-]
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Roemy Schneider
Minmatar BINFORD Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.12 14:23:00 -
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scimitar ftw - putting the gist back into logistics |
darth solo
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2009.03.12 17:23:00 -
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If they are holding space its either really rubbish space, or they are blue with everyone close by through paying rent.
They most deffo wont be holding good moons etc. the big boys LOVE stomping the little guys, it makes them feel all powerfull and stuff.
d solo.
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Miss Lear
Gallente The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.12 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Lear on 12/03/2009 19:07:02
Originally by: Raging Knight
Also whilst your here Hardin, whats the eta on providence being a completely sov 4 region?
10 more outposts across 6 constellations
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