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WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:51:00 -
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"Change the war dec cost formula so that the cost is no longer increased by the number of wars target corp is in. Instead, the cost is modified by the number of players in target corp"
Y'see thats good because as of Wednesday a Wardec on Goonfleet was 350 mill. Today its 500 mill. Expensive pastime, war is.
"But the formula is constantly being revised, so nothing is set in stone."
As it stands pretty soon only Goons will be able to afford to Wardec Goons, which I believe is not an entirely Good Thing. Lets hope the formula allows for agressors to target alliances and still pay for ammunition with which to blatt them, or we will all be reduced to standing in front of the Goon tank in Mittanigrad square.
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Lt Angus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:54:00 -
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or they could put it back to how it was when the game was more fun |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1055
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:57:00 -
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If you want to shoot goons, go shoot them.
Actually going through the wardec mechanic is so pointless its laughable. You can literally just fly into goon space if you want a fight. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2305
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:58:00 -
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It's a shame that the aggressors don't have the option to form larger entities in an effort to dec other large entities, while still keeping the cost/member very affordable.
Forever alone :-¦( |
Elisha Starkiller
Viziam Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:58:00 -
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Whats happening on Wednesday? new patch? or New Doom? |
Hayaishi
Aperture Harmonics K162
102
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:58:00 -
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Why do you even need to wardec goons? I mean, honestly... Wardecs to stop logistics? Please, stop posting. |
Elisha Starkiller
Viziam Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:59:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:It's a shame that the aggressors don't have the option to form larger entities in an effort to dec other large entities, while still keeping the cost/member very affordable.
Forever alone :-¦(
Anyone can form a large alliance.... just need a lot of friends or a lot of sheep either or :p |
Snooood
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:10:00 -
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They want to gank goon noobs as they undock from Jita with no risk to pad their killboards. That's the reason they're in high-sec to begin with. They're also apparently poor.
Too bad they got shat all over yesterday and will continue to be this weekend. |
Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons True Apathy
68
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:11:00 -
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That's a shame, we were hoping to wardec the highsec mining alliance Goonswarm Federation
Anyway that change hasn't been implemented yet. The increased cost is due to the same old mechanics that I guess you're not familiar with?
EDIT: Unless I've misread your post. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1057
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:12:00 -
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Snooood wrote:They want to gank goon noobs as they undock from Jita with no risk to pad their killboards. That's the reason they're in high-sec to begin with. They're also apparently poor.
Too bad they got shat all over yesterday and will continue to be this weekend.
Its funny, you'd expect people who spend their entire EVE careers taking part in asymmetrical combat to be good enough at it to successfully gank people when they actually have to hunt them down.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
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WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
94
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:15:00 -
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Hayaishi wrote:Why do you even need to wardec goons? I mean, honestly... Wardecs to stop logistics? Please, stop posting.
That Whooshing sound is the point passing right over your head. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1057
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:16:00 -
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WisdomLikeSilence wrote:Hayaishi wrote:Why do you even need to wardec goons? I mean, honestly... Wardecs to stop logistics? Please, stop posting. That Whooshing sound is the point passing right over your head.
I think you got it backwards. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons True Apathy
68
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:18:00 -
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o/ I think it passed over my head as well actually. Are you saying you like or dislike the soon-to-be mechanics? |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
348
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:24:00 -
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CCP should divide the corporations in size-classes with 1000+ being the largest class. Each class with an incremental pricetag, and the cost of war is the sum of the pricetags of both the attacking and the defending corporation.
Less wardecs of large corporations on smaller ones, the size-classes make member-padding less effective and a hardcap to prevent 'too expensive to wardec'. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
94
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:31:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:o/ I think it passed over my head as well actually. Are you saying you like or dislike the soon-to-be mechanics?
Current mechanics are obviously broken - whereby a sample Alliance in this case Goons, have a wardec fee of half a billion isk, making war deccing them something only the very few and the very wealthy can do. As I said, I dont think this is very healthy.
The upcoming mechanic will be based on membership metrics, so that while the mechanic may change, it will still probably end up that large Alliances will be virtually immune from war decs except by other large alliances. If you think thats great, hey beer and skittles for you, they do mostly stick to 0.0... mostly. |
Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons True Apathy
68
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Posted - 2012.04.27 11:45:00 -
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WisdomLikeSilence wrote:Current mechanics are obviously broken - whereby a sample Alliance in this case Goons, have a wardec fee of half a billion isk, making war deccing them something only the very few and the very wealthy can do. As I said, I dont think this is very healthy.
Five hundred million is not a lot of money.
I think part of the purpose of the new system is to encourage fewer, larger alliances in highsec. |
Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
121
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:33:00 -
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Wardecs should be very expensive. If CCP wants Alliance warfare to mean something, how better to do it than make the cost high. If you dont want to pay the price you must not want to be at war very badly. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
249
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:37:00 -
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Elisha Starkiller wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:It's a shame that the aggressors don't have the option to form larger entities in an effort to dec other large entities, while still keeping the cost/member very affordable.
Forever alone :-¦( Anyone can form a large alliance.... just need a lot of friends or a lot of sheep either or :p
Anyone can form a large alliance.... just need a lot of friends if you are someone i like or a lot of sheep if you are someone I don't like. either or :p Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
249
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:39:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:It's a shame that the aggressors don't have the option to form larger entities in an effort to dec other large entities, while still keeping the cost/member very affordable.
Forever alone :-¦(
Not having any friends hurts, mang. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
491
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:45:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:WisdomLikeSilence wrote:Current mechanics are obviously broken - whereby a sample Alliance in this case Goons, have a wardec fee of half a billion isk, making war deccing them something only the very few and the very wealthy can do. As I said, I dont think this is very healthy. Five hundred million is not a lot of money. I think part of the purpose of the new system is to encourage fewer, larger alliances in highsec. Seeing how that is like uh 10 drakes, I'd say yeah not that much, but uh.
The 0rphanage needs to camp Jita to stop the goon menace. So give them a break. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1879
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Posted - 2012.04.28 00:13:00 -
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new war dec changes won't be out until Inferno CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Programmer | @CCP_Punkturis |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2012.04.28 00:27:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:It's a shame that the aggressors don't have the option to form larger entities in an effort to dec other large entities, while still keeping the cost/member very affordable.
Forever alone :-¦(
It would be nice if the ppl you aggressed had a way to win a war
Theres literally no way to win a war for those defending
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
782
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Posted - 2012.04.28 00:35:00 -
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How many wardecs does one need to camp the VFK undock?
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
94
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:07:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:How many wardecs does one need to camp the VFK undock?
The point is the lopsided nature of wardec costs, not whining about GOons or being able to camp mittantigrad with cloaked alts or whatever other off topic issue you're trying to inject there. Its buttons for an alliance to wardec a small corp and keep them tied up with that. Its big money for a small corp to do the reverse to an alliance. Remember the 500 mill is not a one off payment. |
WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
94
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:09:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:new war dec changes won't be out until Inferno
Will the costs be in line with todays costs, when the changes happen?
-Will it still be mutliple hundreds of millions to wardec an alliance - with no ability to wardec a single corp in that alliance?
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
726
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:27:00 -
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Goons. Goons. Goons. A lot of folks like to drag out the Goons to prove a point. Goons factored nada in this war dec change. Albeit, it does seem to favor the rich, this may be to prevent n00bs using the war dec system as a method to annoy. If you're gonna fight a war, FIGHT A WAR. When you war dec the Goons, hamstrung by this ISK amount, let us know. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
628
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:29:00 -
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I think the current costs are 1/2 million per pilot in the decced corp or alliance, and you cannot dec a corp in an alliance separately. But even if you could, other rules make it useless to do so, specifically the mercenary rule.
Any decced corp can contract mercenaries. If you could dec one corp of an alliance, they would just call in the rest of the alliance as mercs, and you end up fighting them all anyway.
Now as part of the trillionaires guide: If you are a trillionaire or running a trillionaire alliance, consider you got what it takes to dec all of high sec.
Lets say there are 300,000 pilots in player corps centered on high sec operations. That would be 150 billion a week to dec them all. If you have 3000 players in your alliance, that would be 50 million per player per week, or 7 million a day, about one L4 mission run on an alt in a NPC corp.
Because of this, I predict that under the currently stated rules, soon after Inferno hits every player corp in high sec will have a war. If you are a player who gets no enjoyment from war, I recommend you drop to a NPC corp before the expansion in May. If you got both industry alts and PvP alts, I recommend you drop all industry alts to NPC corps. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:43:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Because of this, I predict that under the currently stated rules, soon after Inferno hits every player corp in high sec will have a war. If you are a player who gets no enjoyment from war, I recommend you drop to a NPC corp before the expansion in May. If you got both industry alts and PvP alts, I recommend you drop all industry alts to NPC corps. If you are running highsec POSes can you drop into an NPC corp? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:46:00 -
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WisdomLikeSilence wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:How many wardecs does one need to camp the VFK undock? The point is the lopsided nature of wardec costs, not whining about GOons or being able to camp mittantigrad with cloaked alts or whatever other off topic issue you're trying to inject there. Its buttons for an alliance to wardec a small corp and keep them tied up with that. Its big money for a small corp to do the reverse to an alliance. Remember the 500 mill is not a one off payment. People always camp mittanigrad. You should try it, I hear there's quite a thrill doing it. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
ASuperVillain
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:39:00 -
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Will the NPC corps now be dec-able? Or has no one decided to slaughter that calf yet?
Since being in a little corp now just a sign that says, "pay x to shoot." Will the new system make it more cost effective to have 30 3-man corps under perma wardeck than say, 3 30-man corps? Why do I feel as though all the "little guys" are getting pushed to the sidelines... Why do i feel as though NPC corps will get a large influx of people who are just tired of getting blown up? This INFERNO will be all the n00bs burned by the experience, and their bodies used to fuel griefer engines.
-ASV |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
629
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:58:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Because of this, I predict that under the currently stated rules, soon after Inferno hits every player corp in high sec will have a war. If you are a player who gets no enjoyment from war, I recommend you drop to a NPC corp before the expansion in May. If you got both industry alts and PvP alts, I recommend you drop all industry alts to NPC corps. If you are running highsec POSes can you drop into an NPC corp?
Nope. Make plans to defend it, or you might as well take it down. But you can leave just the research alts in the player corp, and move the pilots that use the blue prints (either for manufacturing, or sale) to an NPC corp.
"Will the new system make it more cost effective to have 30 3-man corps under perma wardeck than say, 3 30-man corps?"
Last I heard, the cost was 20 million per corp + 0.5 million per corp member. Thus 30 three-pilot corps would be more expansive. Has it changed? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Adrenalinemax
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
23
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:41:00 -
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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation
There is a concise list of all systems under Goonswarm control, it is FREE to fight them there, it will cost ISK to fight them in high sec.
I can promise you they will lay out the welcome mat if you want to go there, be careful, they may snatch it out from under you once you get there.
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Josef Djugashvilis
127
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:48:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:WisdomLikeSilence wrote:Current mechanics are obviously broken - whereby a sample Alliance in this case Goons, have a wardec fee of half a billion isk, making war deccing them something only the very few and the very wealthy can do. As I said, I dont think this is very healthy. Five hundred million is not a lot of money. I think part of the purpose of the new system is to encourage fewer, larger alliances in highsec.
And that is precisely what is wrong with the proposed war-dec changes.
Most folk, I believe, do not want to become alliance drones with fly here, fight there, fit you ship like this or else, etc. You want fries with that? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:50:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Most folk, I believe, do not want to become alliance drones with fly here, fight there, fit you ship like this or else, etc. Highsec pvp just took a new, terrifying turn~
Better ask CCP for more protection.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
85
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:53:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Most folk, I believe, do not want to become alliance drones with fly here, fight there, fit you ship like this or else, etc.
So don't join an Alliance like that? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:55:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:If you are running highsec POSes can you drop into an NPC corp? Nope. Make plans to defend it, or you might as well take it down. But you can leave just the research alts in the player corp, and move the pilots that use the blue prints (either for manufacturing, or sale) to an NPC corp. Heh heh heh. Good to know the POS can be shot then.
Wait a second, shooting POS with subcaps isn't fun, what am I thinking...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Josef Djugashvilis
127
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:56:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Most folk, I believe, do not want to become alliance drones with fly here, fight there, fit you ship like this or else, etc. Highsec pvp just took a new, terrifying turn~ Better ask CCP for more protection.
I am all for pvp.
But, the logic of the changes would tend to favour the formation of large alliances.
0.0 style blob warfare in hisec - no thanks. You want fries with that? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:39:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Most folk, I believe, do not want to become alliance drones with fly here, fight there, fit you ship like this or else, etc. Highsec pvp just took a new, terrifying turn~ Better ask CCP for more protection. I am all for pvp. But, the logic of the changes would tend to favour the formation of large alliances. 0.0 style blob warfare in hisec - no thanks. Yep, a new, terrifying turn.
One day you, too, will have level 5 CTAs to protect your large pos from the evil ~goonies~. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1890
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:12:00 -
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WisdomLikeSilence wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:new war dec changes won't be out until Inferno Will the costs be in line with todays costs, when the changes happen? -Will it still be mutliple hundreds of millions to wardec an alliance - with no ability to wardec a single corp in that alliance?
no we will be changing the war dec cost formula, we'll tell you more about it in a dev blog soon CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Programmer | @CCP_Punkturis |
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Mambo Ted
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:44:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:CCP should divide the corporations in size-classes with 1000+ being the largest class. Each class with an incremental pricetag, and the cost of war is the sum of the pricetags of both the attacking and the defending corporation.
Less wardecs of large corporations on smaller ones, the size-classes make member-padding less effective and a hardcap to prevent 'too expensive to wardec'.
Good idea, they will ignore it
Mambo Ted, loves to mambo. |
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FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:23:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Most folk, I believe, do not want to become alliance drones with fly here, fight there, fit you ship like this or else, etc. Highsec pvp just took a new, terrifying turn~ Better ask CCP for more protection.
Haha I hope it is new and more terrifying. People need to get used to the fact that Eve is not a kiddy pool. If you can't swim, GTFO.
Do what you need to do to survive. That is all. "I do believe in karma. -áThat means that whenever I do something sh**y to others, they somehow deserved it." |
Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2012.05.01 01:38:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:WisdomLikeSilence wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:new war dec changes won't be out until Inferno Will the costs be in line with todays costs, when the changes happen? -Will it still be mutliple hundreds of millions to wardec an alliance - with no ability to wardec a single corp in that alliance? no we will be changing the war dec cost formula, we'll tell you more about it in a dev blog soon
Good to know. I am looking forward to hearing the changes in plans. Thanks! |
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