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Kelrift
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:05:00 -
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I guess there was mention of min. system requirements somewhere in advance of this patch THOUGH I NEVER SAW IT nor was warned ... I was under the assumtion that premuim lite would replace classic eve and not effect graphics for the low end Cards... HA HA jokes on me. I know I need to replace the Radon 9200 (yha it's super old) but was hoping to get buy for a couple more years. I dont think anyone gave it a second thought because all the newer machines come prebuilt with a 2.0 shader. but this 3 year old machine just has the requirments nessasarry, well HAD.... Anyways It should have Been POSTED BIG somewhere not in little tiny subprint ... I was all excited reading all i could and BLAMMMM no more eve ... Whats the Point of the LITE version again?????
Kelrift
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A Sinner
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:06:00 -
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may I have your stuff than ?
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EmpressShiva
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:07:00 -
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good question, i have no idea why they axed sm 1; they dont have time to update it anymore i guess?
just buy a geforce 5200 or radeon 9600 on the cheaps.
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But Sects
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:07:00 -
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It has been all over the forums and the main website for quite some time, and there has been a devblog about it.
Perhaps next time someone should come to your residence and alert you personally?
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:07:00 -
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Lord Ryan
Lord Ryan Productions
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:07:00 -
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We been telling eve for months to post on log on page so players who don't come to forums know. They acctually did! I saw it "one" moring a couple weeks ago.
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Crumpo
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:09:00 -
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Little tiny subprint? They have insisted a lot on the shader model 1 getting discontinued.
Try to be a bit more active on checking forums and dev blogs next time, and gl with the upgrade :)
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piratezxp
Caldari Gene Works Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:09:00 -
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Did CCP ever post a news article about this on the home page?
That would have been the best idea i guess - mind you i could see the forum being full of rants lol Signature --------------------- EVE Online VoIP Services: http://evevoip.alienxservers.co.uk |
Akita Yoshitsune
Akita Research Enterprises Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:09:00 -
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There was plenty of information regarding the discontinuation of the classic client. You can't really blame CCP for your own ignorance, can you?
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Sleepkevert
Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:09:00 -
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There was an image in the center of your client just like the advertisments warning you and in the news page on log in in the right hand side of char selection, as well as a warning on the main page here. They tried. _
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:10:00 -
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Radeon 9000, 9200, 9250, 8500LE/9100 created in Late 2001. Two Thousand and One. It was OLD before EVE was in beta.
CCP warned, and put up a MOTD, and created a dev-blog regarding the move to SM2.0 / SM3.0
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Mish'Kala
Minmatar Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:10:00 -
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Yep, it was posted on the EVE log in screen for a while.
Sorry its messed you up, but there was warning.
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Black Syn
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:10:00 -
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at lest a in game mail would have been nice. something like "your pods interface cant interact with anymore. please upgrade."
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kelrift Whats the Point of the LITE version again?????
CCP was basically supprting two clients -- making development harder. Ths was announced and stickied in forums, and even had a few dev blogs dedicated to the subject. Upgrade your card, and you'll thank yourself later.
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:11:00 -
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More than one dev blog on the subject, and several front page news items.
But be thankful that you can replace your graphics card, you should be able to get something truly awesome for the price of a couple of months worth of eve*, some people are stuck with the need to replace a whole laptop.
* my 9600, which is SM2 capable was bought 3 years ago for $20, so think what you can get today thanks to the awesomeness that is Moore's law.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Black Syn at lest a in game mail would have been nice. something like "your pods interface cant interact with anymore. please upgrade."
Dude....it was plastered all over the website. Read moar. ----------------------------------- "What can go wrong, will go wrong." |
El Liptonez
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: El Liptonez on 10/03/2009 15:12:12 I understand people crying about CCP removing SM 1, but wtf, how old is SM1? 100 years? 200 years? Where's the problem with getting a ****ing 1$ SM2 graphics card? I don't get it, honestly... And the cherry on the cake is whining about CCP not having said anything... Didn't you read last 2 month's newspapers?
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Br Lucian
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:11:00 -
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Time for an upgraded card all of you low end folks. 32mb cards are dinosaurs.
I dont know if you can buy a card for less than 256mb anymore.
try gforce 8800 1gb or similar and you wont have to worry for a few years.
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Lord Ryan
Lord Ryan Productions
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Akita Yo****sune There was plenty of information regarding the discontinuation of the classic client. You can't really blame CCP for your own ignorance, can you?
Not nice! Everybody doesn't spend all day on forums like us!
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:11:00 -
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You can't expect them to keep supporting ancient technology, even if you bought that card 5 years ago you must have found it in the rubbish bin.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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EmpressShiva
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:13:00 -
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Newflash, this just in: You can't just stuff an 8800 into a videocard slot and expect it to work. Most of these people have computers that either feature agp or onboard.
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Blonde TheBuilder
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:13:00 -
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Radeon 9200 is more than 3 years old. Would you buy a new Quad core today and slap in a 6600? Do you want CCP to give you a refund or something?
A video card that will play prem. will cost you about $20 on Ebay so don't cry to anybody on the forums.
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Jacob Evans
Caldari Jotunheimr Productions Ltd. Aesir Armada
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:13:00 -
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Why is it that people will come in and rant and rave about CCP not telling what they are doing... when they have DevBlogs and the like up MONTHS in advance... Read before you post people? Wha? |
Korcahn
Gallente Duncorp
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:14:00 -
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Worst part about it is if you do buy a cheap graphics card, you'll be running on low, so you still have to download and install a gig of useless data. ___________________________________
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Br Lucian
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: EmpressShiva Newflash, this just in: You can't just stuff an 8800 into a videocard slot and expect it to work. Most of these people have computers that either feature agp or onboard.
then that is a clue that you need a new gaming machine
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Meandar
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim You can't expect them to keep supporting ancient technology, even if you bought that card 5 years ago you must have found it in the rubbish bin.
Hey guys... I'm a computer illiterate... will my geforce 2 card still work?
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Minsc
Gallente A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kelrift I guess there was mention of min. system requirements somewhere in advance of this patch THOUGH I NEVER SAW IT nor was warned ... I was under the assumtion that premuim lite would replace classic eve and not effect graphics for the low end Cards... HA HA jokes on me. I know I need to replace the Radon 9200 (yha it's super old) but was hoping to get buy for a couple more years. I dont think anyone gave it a second thought because all the newer machines come prebuilt with a 2.0 shader. but this 3 year old machine just has the requirments nessasarry, well HAD.... Anyways It should have Been POSTED BIG somewhere not in little tiny subprint ... I was all excited reading all i could and BLAMMMM no more eve ... Whats the Point of the LITE version again?????
Kelrift
I'm sorry but your machine is much older than 3 years old. As someone stated the 9200 series of cards was old in 2001, they were probably sold for another year or so as budget cards but were likely discontinued shortly after EVE was released. Perhaps consider spending a few hundred dollars to buy a new system that will be about 10x faster than your old one and consider donating your old one to the museum of natural history, cause it's a freakin dinosaur!!
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Sturdy Girl
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:15:00 -
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CCP mentioned it in a number of places, a number of times.
Possibly they could have done more (don't quite know why they didn't email every account about it), but ultimately, the information was available through many channels; anyone keeping only moderately abreast of the patch development would have definately known.
A SM2 card should cost around $30.
Seriously, get over it, or shut up.
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Br Soren
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Korcahn Worst part about it is if you do buy a cheap graphics card, you'll be running on low, so you still have to download and install a gig of useless data.
Best to go mid range or high end. never buy low.
Low end cards area waste of money
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Ichigo Prime
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:16:00 -
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Like others have said, this information has been available for quite some time. It's simply not fair to trash developers because they've decided it's no longer economically viable to support ancient hardware.
I know you said the 9200 was old, but if you bought it 3 years ago with your PC then the card was already 5 years old when you got it. The 9200 was released in 2001 and modern graphics cards being released now are usually Shader Model 4.x.
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Kimura Mariko
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:17:00 -
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Even if they can't just buy a new graphics card because of AGP/PCX incompatibilities... a new MB, some RAM plus that new SM 2.0 card wont cost more than a 100 Ç or so nowadays.
And if you can't afford that, you might want to think about your priorities in life and earn some money instead of playing MMOs...
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EmpressShiva
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Br Lucian
Originally by: EmpressShiva Newflash, this just in: You can't just stuff an 8800 into a videocard slot and expect it to work. Most of these people have computers that either feature agp or onboard.
then that is a clue that you need a new gaming machine
Because everyone can just splash out for a new computer every time they update shader models. While the card is indeed, a piece of history, buying a whole new machine is a rather large undertaking for the uninitiated.
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Br Lucian
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ichigo Prime Like others have said, this information has been available for quite some time. It's simply not fair to trash developers because they've decided it's no longer economically viable to support ancient hardware.
I agree.
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Lord Ryan
Lord Ryan Productions
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Meandar
Originally by: Tzar'rim You can't expect them to keep supporting ancient technology, even if you bought that card 5 years ago you must have found it in the rubbish bin.
Hey guys... I'm a computer illiterate... will my geforce 2 card still work?
will my geforce 2
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codex09
Minmatar Entropy Systems Mining Co. FREELANCER ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:18:00 -
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I think that with the dropping of the classic client CCP are also going to be dropping a lot of accounts from players that just don't have the money to have the latest machine or whatever.
I am lucky in that at the very worst if things are nothing but laggy & 3 FPS I only have to put up with it for 20 days until the game time runs out then I will just go play something else (easy come easy go as far as I am concerned)
It's the players that have multiple months left on their game time that can no longer play or even login to the game that I feel sorry for & am wondering whether they will be given their money back & their accounts cancelled or what.
I wonder just how many players will no longer be able to play EVE after this patch & whether it will be enough to make CCP sit up and maybe reconsider the dropping of the lower end support. (It's not just lower end either, I found the classic client ran better/smoother when there was a lot going on around the grid & I know a lot of people that take part in the bigger fleet battles liked it for the same reason).
Time moves on I guess and a new El-Cheapo GeFroce FX5 series card will only cost $30 or less.. It's just a shame.......
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Korcahn
Gallente Duncorp
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Korcahn on 10/03/2009 15:20:31 I have a high end card - but the OP seemed to indicate they'd have to buy one to keep playing.
Also, I think the issue is the OP has no AGP slot - a common problem on cheap HP/Dell machines. ___________________________________
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Br Lucian
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: EmpressShiva
Originally by: Br Lucian
Originally by: EmpressShiva Newflash, this just in: You can't just stuff an 8800 into a videocard slot and expect it to work. Most of these people have computers that either feature agp or onboard.
then that is a clue that you need a new gaming machine
Because everyone can just splash out for a new computer every time they update shader models. While the card is indeed, a piece of history, buying a whole new machine is a rather large undertaking for the uninitiated.
You jsut cant expect old technology to be supported forever.
At some point you have to upgrade your equipment.
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Havand
Caldari First Clan Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:18:00 -
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even the dev blogs that were posted on the front page had information related to the loss of Shader 1.0 and that the classic client was going the way of the dodo..
I couldn't remember the shader version my laptop was capable of so i wrote a little application in C# using the XNA Game pack from MS to check.. And supposedly it does, but since I play with my desktop for the most part since the laptop is a little dated, I don't play on it much anymore (laptop is 4 years old now). ---------- Havand |
Empress Aurora
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:18:00 -
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www.tinyviolins.com |
Hanabi Kazan
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:18:00 -
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canceled 3 accounts crew checking in
my gaming rig plays it fine so ive kept my main but eve is so damn boring if you cant dual box so im not sure if this will last
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Anvalor
Gallente Germania Inc. D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:18:00 -
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Apart from the fact that CCP did tell everyone and there were forum threads about it, you could not miss. Did you ever think about using the testserver ? But what for ? If CCP would change anything they would make a big event in game with alarm sounds and big warnings in form of words flying around in space for players like you so you would not miss it right ?
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Sollicen
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Sollicen on 10/03/2009 15:19:20 Edited by: Sollicen on 10/03/2009 15:19:00 Can I have your stuff, hanabi?
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Lord Ryan
Lord Ryan Productions
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Ryan
Originally by: Meandar
Originally by: Tzar'rim You can't expect them to keep supporting ancient technology, even if you bought that card 5 years ago you must have found it in the rubbish bin.
Hey guys... I'm a computer illiterate... will my geforce 2 card still work?
will my geforce 2
IS THERE SUCH A THING?
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Meandar
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Ryan
Originally by: Meandar
Originally by: Tzar'rim You can't expect them to keep supporting ancient technology, even if you bought that card 5 years ago you must have found it in the rubbish bin.
Hey guys... I'm a computer illiterate... will my geforce 2 card still work?
will my geforce 2
thanks Lord Ryan Productions
But what am I looking for here?
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Traderboz
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:20:00 -
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I patched just fine. I just hope in the future they don't scale the minimum requirements up so high that my laptop (with onboard video) can't support the game. I usually don't play seriously on my laptop, but I'd hate to lose the ability to trade/travel on it.
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Ichigo Prime
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Br Soren
Originally by: Korcahn Worst part about it is if you do buy a cheap graphics card, you'll be running on low, so you still have to download and install a gig of useless data.
Best to go mid range or high end. never buy low.
Low end cards area waste of money
I personally think it's a total waste to buy 'flagship' cards/boards. A few months after you've payed double the price, it'll just end up as a 'slightly better than average' piece of hardware and despite paying a lot more for it, you'll likely have to upgrade at a very similar time as someone who bought the mid-range version.
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EmpressShiva
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:20:00 -
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The majority of people that shader model 1 loss affected, are people that don't understand the significance of it; CCP explained it poorly to them.
What they should have done is added a message on logon for users with non-sm2 cards telling them the apoc update would not allow them to play.
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Br Lucian
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:20:00 -
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Meqander, you wil just have to try it.
probably no issue, but there is no telling how your equipment will handle a massive update like this.
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Chronos Chi
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:20:00 -
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/me strokes his evga geforce 295
/me wanders how long he can put off paying off his credit card
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Br Soren
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ichigo Prime
Originally by: Br Soren
Originally by: Korcahn Worst part about it is if you do buy a cheap graphics card, you'll be running on low, so you still have to download and install a gig of useless data.
Best to go mid range or high end. never buy low.
Low end cards area waste of money
I personally think it's a total waste to buy 'flagship' cards/boards. A few months after you've payed double the price, it'll just end up as a 'slightly better than average' piece of hardware and despite paying a lot more for it, you'll likely have to upgrade at a very similar time as someone who bought the mid-range version.
Yeah, your right.
Thats why I suggested Mid range... high if you must have the latest and have the money to throw away.
Id never buy a low end card tho.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:22:00 -
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I have a 9600 in my closet that's been unused since 2005 or so. Your hardware was low end in 2001 and utterly obsolete by 2003.
There are MMOs whose graphics have not been updated since around that time (cough Anarchy Online cough) and will run on a cardboard box a real computer comes in. However, they look like Halflife 1 if they're lucky, and have an ever shrinking user base.
I for one am glad CCP updates the graphics, the engine and maintains their game. I don't want to switch to a new one, this one is fine for me. Demanding user have a graphics card made in this millenium is rational and good.
Oh, and on topic: finally got patched by downloading the _m link. Nice that it's an exe of the two needed files, since the autopatcher pops up a dialog box at the end asking if I want to delete the .rtp file and steals focus long enough to accept a default of "yes."
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The Dribber
Amarr Black Screen of Death HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: The Dribber on 10/03/2009 15:23:54 Edited by: The Dribber on 10/03/2009 15:22:13 Do i need more than 64mb of ram now???
EDIT!
not rly! i can triple box premium client at full gfx on my rig :D
------------------------ The DribbLer ...yes, I typo'd my own name...
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Kelrift
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:22:00 -
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Yha this upgrade has been needed .. though i dont read many delv blogs or what not i get more kicks podding ppl. and if it was in the news 2 weeks ago i didnt see it ... not even in the delv box above the log in ... but enough crying .. you guys enjoy ... time to cash in that copper i have laying around ... computer store here I come
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Br Lucian
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: The Dribber Edited by: The Dribber on 10/03/2009 15:22:13 Do i need more than 64mb of ram now???
I dont know. but they did post the Specs somewhere. I read them yesterday. Ill see if I can find em
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Lord Ryan
Lord Ryan Productions
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Meandar
Originally by: Lord Ryan
Originally by: Meandar
Originally by: Tzar'rim You can't expect them to keep supporting ancient technology, even if you bought that card 5 years ago you must have found it in the rubbish bin.
Hey guys... I'm a computer illiterate... will my geforce 2 card still work?
will my geforce 2
thanks Lord Ryan Productions
But what am I looking for here? 2.0 and higher
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OMGJITA
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Meandar
Originally by: Lord Ryan
Originally by: Meandar
Originally by: Tzar'rim You can't expect them to keep supporting ancient technology, even if you bought that card 5 years ago you must have found it in the rubbish bin.
Hey guys... I'm a computer illiterate... will my geforce 2 card still work?
will my geforce 2
thanks Lord Ryan Productions
But what am I looking for here?
i am afraid no is the answer mate, its a SM1.0 or below card. you are looking for a card were the shader model or (PS) colom read 1.0 or above.
sorry to break it to you bro, hope you can afford the upgrade, and for what its worth, EvE looks awsome on even a SEMI new card. hope you can go shopping bro.
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Mondo Shiva
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:24:00 -
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What is the difference in eve between pixel shader 2 and 3? |
DrugsDen
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:25:00 -
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i cant see the prob tbh my old xt1950 256gb ran the old premuim gfx with no probs at all and there like 35 pound now days
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Veritas Falx
The-Kissaki
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:25:00 -
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Honestly, if you play EVE enough to be that upset about having to upgrade a computer then you should go get a job and get off your ass that is rolling off the chair and make 40 bucks to buy a new card. And for AGP and PCI users out there:
AGP List on Newegg
PCI
It was on the forums. CCP told you. Stop whining that CCP is making you upgrade. Honestly, what was the last game to come out that support SM 1.0? Go play WoW on low.
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Blonde TheBuilder
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:25:00 -
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by discontinuing SM1 CCP is probably killing many players with 5 accounts on crappy puters that do nothing but run macro miners anyway.
Name one game today that will run on an 8 year old card that is still mainstream today! Considering that, CCP has gone above and beyond by supporting the classic client for as long as they did. I've seen computers at the gargabe dump that support SM2! Go cash your welfare check and buy a new video card.
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Empress Aurora
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Chronos Chi /me strokes his evga geforce 295
/me wanders how long he can put off paying off his credit card
Is it just me, or is this patch the same in that it only sees one gpu in the drop down?
I have the BFG gtx 295 (well, I am playing on one anyway)
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Br Lucian
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: The Dribber Edited by: The Dribber on 10/03/2009 15:23:54 Edited by: The Dribber on 10/03/2009 15:22:13 Do i need more than 64mb of ram now???
EDIT!
not rly! i can triple box premium client at full gfx on my rig :D
Here ya go:
Minimum System Requirements:
* OS: Windows« XP / Vista * CPU: Intel Pentium« or AMD @ 1 GHz * RAM: XP û 1 GB / Vista û 1.5 GB * HD space: 6gig Free Space * Network: 56k modem or better Internet connection * Video: 64 MB Shader Model 2.0 Graphics cards such as GeForce FX (5 series) class card or higher, ATi 9500, x300 series or higher and Similar chips from other manufacturers * Drivers: DirectX« 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers * DVD-ROM : 2 speed DVD reader or greater required.
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=124
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zombeee
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Meandar Hey guys... I'm a computer illiterate... will my geforce 2 card still work?
I believe you need at least a GeForce FX / Geforce 6 for shader 2, so no.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari PURE Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:26:00 -
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From wikipedia here
Some entry-level video cards supporting pixel shaders are considered affordable. As a result, replacing an unsupported card with a newer one is not only viable, but may also be more desirable than using workarounds.
Get another card. There were AGP cards dirt cheap that would work. Probably a total of $30 + shipping? Newegg is your friend.
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Vargrh
Gallente Quasar Fleet
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:26:00 -
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I have a Geforce 3 Ti 200 with 32MB. As I have no funds to upgrade I think I may very shortly be rage quiting.
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EmpressShiva
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: EmpressShiva on 10/03/2009 15:28:32
Originally by: Blonde TheBuilder by discontinuing SM1 CCP is probably killing many players with 5 accounts on crappy puters that do nothing but run macro miners anyway.
Name one game today that will run on an 8 year old card that is still mainstream today! Considering that, CCP has gone above and beyond by supporting the classic client for as long as they did. I've seen computers at the gargabe dump that support SM2! Go cash your welfare check and buy a new video card.
Counterstrike, teamfortress, infantry, quake 3, battlefield 1942 ..... another good mention is World of warcraft, 8 million players or something, yes?
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Sollicen
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sollicen on 10/03/2009 15:27:23 Vargrh,
Can I have your stuff also?
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Br Lucian
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:28:00 -
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EVE graphics requirements:
Posted above
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1018252&page=3#62
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kelrift I guess there was mention of min. system requirements somewhere in advance of this patch THOUGH I NEVER SAW IT nor was warned ... I was under the assumtion that premuim lite would replace classic eve and not effect graphics for the low end Cards... HA HA jokes on me. I know I need to replace the Radon 9200 (yha it's super old) but was hoping to get buy for a couple more years. I dont think anyone gave it a second thought because all the newer machines come prebuilt with a 2.0 shader. but this 3 year old machine just has the requirments nessasarry, well HAD.... Anyways It should have Been POSTED BIG somewhere not in little tiny subprint ... I was all excited reading all i could and BLAMMMM no more eve ... Whats the Point of the LITE version again?????
Kelrift
Are you SERIOUS?
How about:
<- SIDEBAR, F.A.Q, System Requirements
DUH!!!! ---- Fix the Wardec System! |
DrugsDen
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: DrugsDen on 10/03/2009 15:30:37 LOL EmpressShiva there not new games m8 there old hat tbh i had to go out and spend 500 pound to play the NEW games my very old pc played cs and them old games flat out
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Vargrh
Gallente Quasar Fleet
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:30:00 -
[71]
I might manage to get it working with my current set up.. stranger things have happened.
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EmpressShiva
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: DrugsDen LOL EmpressShiva there not new games m8 there old hat tbh
Eve is old hat tbh. Whats your point?
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Kimota
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:30:00 -
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I'd like to point out that this isn't just a matter of buying a new card for Ç30 for anyone who's been running this on a laptop, such as me. I've only just started playing but I think I'm now going to have to stop, since I can't afford to pay Ç500 or more for a new system. And I'm reasonably certain that I'm not the only person who isn't hardcore enough about eve to not read the forums regularly. I for one haven't seen anything about this update axing support for low specs until yesterday.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:31:00 -
[74]
Ok, people. There is another solution. There are SM2.0 (and even sm3.0) emulation programs floating around the net to allow you to run things like Oblivion on a geforce2.
Google away and have fun spending tens of hours to save begging for a free, obsolete graphics card which WILL run eve on craigslist or similar.
I've recycled computers more than capable of the task years ago. If you get lucky someone will take pity and donate their ancient PC to you to avoid hauling it to a recycling center.
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:31:00 -
[75]
PCI video card that is cheep and avialble -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve |
isometricantaliac
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:31:00 -
[76]
People need to remember that although it is CCP's way forward to drop support for the lower end clients doing so is going to affect a lot of players & with the current $$$ issues around the world not many of those are going to be able to run out and spend $$$$ on a card to play a game they have already paid to play.
I think CCP may be taking a big gamble in the dropping of the classic client for the re-launch of a retail version/expansion, & that it is very possible they may end up loosing more players than they gain with this new direction.
I guess they have probably considered what they will be able to do if the dropping of the classic client causes the loss of too many paying accounts (won't say customers cause some have multiple accounts) & whether it would then be too late to get those players back is another thing.
There are a few other space based Genre MMO's coming soon so maybe they will support the lower end cards....
If you wander around in 0.0 or Lowsec with no idea you WILL end up dead! and whinging about it on the forums will get u nowhere! |
The Dribber
Amarr Black Screen of Death HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: The Dribber on 10/03/2009 15:33:48 Edited by: The Dribber on 10/03/2009 15:32:43
Originally by: Br Lucian
Originally by: The Dribber Edited by: The Dribber on 10/03/2009 15:23:54 Edited by: The Dribber on 10/03/2009 15:22:13 Do i need more than 64mb of ram now???
EDIT!
not rly! i can triple box premium client at full gfx on my rig :D
Here ya go:
Minimum System Requirements:
* OS: Windows« XP / Vista * CPU: Intel Pentium« or AMD @ 1 GHz * RAM: XP û 1 GB / Vista û 1.5 GB * HD space: 6gig Free Space * Network: 56k modem or better Internet connection * Video: 64 MB Shader Model 2.0 Graphics cards such as GeForce FX (5 series) class card or higher, ATi 9500, x300 series or higher and Similar chips from other manufacturers * Drivers: DirectX« 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers * DVD-ROM : 2 speed DVD reader or greater required.
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=124
If that is indeed the specs for the new client, then thats bugger all. I have an 8 year old computer that is close to that (It only has 1gig HDD and the RAM was upgraded from 64mb to 1gig somewhere along the line), so unless your living in a cave there should be no complaints! O_o
also, bout 4 or 5 years ago iirc a Geforce 6600 was about ú40~50
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brutorans
Minmatar Young Enterprise
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Meandar
Originally by: Tzar'rim You can't expect them to keep supporting ancient technology, even if you bought that card 5 years ago you must have found it in the rubbish bin.
Hey guys... I'm a computer illiterate... will my geforce 2 card still work?
i hope to hell and back your taking the ****, but if your not then no it wont.
ATI do a good line in cheap cards that support AGP connections
also the Nvidia 6 and 7 range of GeForce cards are ok. there not amazing but there cheaper than a 9900 and they fit in to an AGP slot on an onld mother board.
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EmpressShiva
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS PCI video card that is cheep and avialble
lol. 40 pound.
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Ichigo Prime
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:33:00 -
[80]
Originally by: EmpressShiva Counterstrike, teamfortress, infantry, quake 3, battlefield 1942 ..... another good mention is World of warcraft, 8 million players or something, yes?
All of the initial FPS games you mentioned are as old as the hardware you're talking about. Simply because they have withstood the test of time well does not mean they are comparable to modern mainstream releases. I played Warcraft for several years and if Blizzard had released expansions like the ones CCP do, then I would probably have no reason to visit this board.
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Minsc
Gallente A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:33:00 -
[81]
Originally by: codex09
I think that with the dropping of the classic client CCP are also going to be dropping a lot of accounts from players that just don't have the money to have the latest machine or whatever.
I am lucky in that at the very worst if things are nothing but laggy & 3 FPS I only have to put up with it for 20 days until the game time runs out then I will just go play something else (easy come easy go as far as I am concerned)
It's the players that have multiple months left on their game time that can no longer play or even login to the game that I feel sorry for & am wondering whether they will be given their money back & their accounts cancelled or what.
I wonder just how many players will no longer be able to play EVE after this patch & whether it will be enough to make CCP sit up and maybe reconsider the dropping of the lower end support. (It's not just lower end either, I found the classic client ran better/smoother when there was a lot going on around the grid & I know a lot of people that take part in the bigger fleet battles liked it for the same reason).
Time moves on I guess and a new El-Cheapo GeFroce FX5 series card will only cost $30 or less.. It's just a shame.......
Shader model 2.0 isn't the latest machine, it's a 5-year old machine. Hell you can buy a brand new pc for $2-300 that will easily run eve premium on max settings flawlessly. And as for players with multiple months left on their accounts, there's no excuse for not knowing, CCP has released Many news postings/dev blogs etc and even press releases which were covered on independant news sites. CCP is not responsible if people put blinders on and don't pay attention to widely available information.
I also believe they had stated that only a very small percentage of the playerbase had cards that weren't capable of sm2.0 and of those an even smaller percentage would be unable or unwilling to upgrade if necessary, so the actual number of effected players will be fairly small and likely quickly replaced by the new players coming in with the new boxed version.
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Meandar
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:34:00 -
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Where can I find the new system requirements to include what graphics cards are needed?
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Wormhole Inspector
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:34:00 -
[83]
Computer Cheapness There are plenty of video cards there for under 2 or 3 months of Eve time, take a 2 or 3 month break and then you can afford a video card. If you pay to play the game then you should be able to afford new equipment at some point. You expect a car to last you a lifetime? house? dog? cat? Too bad we can't download new ones of those eh?
The fact that your even still playing on something that old is beyond me, get a new card, it'll be like a new game for you, twice! :P
-SK
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Lord Ryan
Lord Ryan Productions
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:34:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Mondo Shiva What is the difference in eve between pixel shader 2 and 3?
premium runs on 3
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EmpressShiva
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:35:00 -
[85]
Edited by: EmpressShiva on 10/03/2009 15:35:40
Originally by: Ichigo Prime
Originally by: EmpressShiva Counterstrike, teamfortress, infantry, quake 3, battlefield 1942 ..... another good mention is World of warcraft, 8 million players or something, yes?
All of the initial FPS games you mentioned are as old as the hardware you're talking about. Simply because they have withstood the test of time well does not mean they are comparable to modern mainstream releases. I played Warcraft for several years and if Blizzard had released expansions like the ones CCP do, then I would probably have no reason to visit this board.
No one said the games mentioned had to be new. It's obvious they're not SM4.0 games.
edit: SM3.0 can run roughly double the instructions of SM2.0; its awfully slow compared sadly.
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GoGo Rens
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:35:00 -
[86]
Looks like you will have to have a splash out and buy an upgrade , should cost you about ú10 to get a better card
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Fist1
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Fist1 on 10/03/2009 15:35:52 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133245
not the cheapest but not a budget breaker. and should last you quite a few years to come for eve. hell, you'll even be able to run it with max resolution and some of the cool effects turned on heh
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Victor Valka
Caldari Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: EmpressShiva ...another good mention is World of warcraft, 8 million players or something, yes?
WoW will run on a Java-enabled toaster, TBH.
(I just contributed nothing to this thread. )
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Blonde TheBuilder
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:36:00 -
[89]
Originally by: EmpressShiva Edited by: EmpressShiva on 10/03/2009 15:28:32
Originally by: Blonde TheBuilder by discontinuing SM1 CCP is probably killing many players with 5 accounts on crappy puters that do nothing but run macro miners anyway.
Name one game today that will run on an 8 year old card that is still mainstream today! Considering that, CCP has gone above and beyond by supporting the classic client for as long as they did. I've seen computers at the gargabe dump that support SM2! Go cash your welfare check and buy a new video card.
Counterstrike, teamfortress, infantry, quake 3, battlefield 1942 ..... another good mention is World of warcraft, 8 million players or something, yes?
If you would like to be left in the dust with those games then so be it. Go play them. By the way, counter strike Source, the newer one, has replaced the original for all but the poorest players.
http://unity3d.com/webplayer/hwstats/pages/web-2008Q3-shadergen.html looks like about 2% of the people that play games use SM1 still. SM1 is the 8 track of computer gaming.
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MajorMeatball
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:37:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Kelrift I guess there was mention of min. system requirements somewhere in advance of this patch THOUGH I NEVER SAW IT nor was warned ... I was under the assumtion that premuim lite would replace classic eve and not effect graphics for the low end Cards... HA HA jokes on me. I know I need to replace the Radon 9200 (yha it's super old) but was hoping to get buy for a couple more years. I dont think anyone gave it a second thought because all the newer machines come prebuilt with a 2.0 shader. but this 3 year old machine just has the requirments nessasarry, well HAD.... Anyways It should have Been POSTED BIG somewhere not in little tiny subprint ... I was all excited reading all i could and BLAMMMM no more eve ... Whats the Point of the LITE version again?????
Sorry to hear you have outdated hardware, everyone who has any background in computers knows the minute you buy hardware its outdated the next day. It is an ongoing process like eating or going to work and paying taxes. If you are unable to afford the next gen or something compatible I suggest you find a different hobbie. Even my highend machine is outdated but I will be playing for a few more years hopefully.
When and if my system does not meet the requirments to run a game, I will not point blame towards the game makers but only come to the conclusion I need to update or stop playing
Meat
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Chronos Chi
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:37:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Empress Aurora
Originally by: Chronos Chi /me strokes his evga geforce 295
/me wanders how long he can put off paying off his credit card
Is it just me, or is this patch the same in that it only sees one gpu in the drop down?
I have the BFG gtx 295 (well, I am playing on one anyway)
Never really checked but pretty sure Eve dosent support sli which is essential what a 295 is. Never tried with dual monitor so maybe if you had second account, in the graphics options you could differentiate between the 2 cards and therefore seperate monitors to display said accounts?
regards,
Chronos
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Cloue
Gallente Stripping Agency
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:37:00 -
[92]
Will a GeForce FX 5500 work fine with premium lite?
Cause im a computer newb... ---------------------------------------------- 8 out of 10 Owners who Expressed a Preference said Their Cats Preferred Gallente Stripping Agency. |
Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:38:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 10/03/2009 15:41:17 Y'all do realize that the DirectX 9.0 Shader Model 2 specification was released IN 2002. It's still old video technology, and that Eve still wrote their new engine to support it is a good thing.
*prepares to run the new Eve on his 4 year old laptop* ---- zzzz ... zzzz ... zzzz |
Imaos
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:38:00 -
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The fun part about the mentioned Radeon 9200 is that there are different versions around. Thanks to some funny marketing guy (I really like to shoot him in the bowel, throw him out of a car and many more I don't want to mention) there are 9xxx series cards with 8xxx chips around and some with real 9xxx chips.
Got a 9200SE which is SM1.0 and slower than a real 8xxx card (halved memory bus to boot) and 9200 with SM2.0 and quadruple the RAM of the former. Both rigs arent for play, but it was a funny time when they put new chars after the numbers every week.
Theoretical all 9xxx should had SM2.0 as novelty back then, but the later SE models par example were utter crap and marketed for pre build systems just for the bigger number.
Imaos
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Originally by: NoNah
My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari. |
EmpressShiva
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:38:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Blonde TheBuilder
Originally by: EmpressShiva Edited by: EmpressShiva on 10/03/2009 15:28:32
Originally by: Blonde TheBuilder by discontinuing SM1 CCP is probably killing many players with 5 accounts on crappy puters that do nothing but run macro miners anyway.
Name one game today that will run on an 8 year old card that is still mainstream today! Considering that, CCP has gone above and beyond by supporting the classic client for as long as they did. I've seen computers at the gargabe dump that support SM2! Go cash your welfare check and buy a new video card.
Counterstrike, teamfortress, infantry, quake 3, battlefield 1942 ..... another good mention is World of warcraft, 8 million players or something, yes?
If you would like to be left in the dust with those games then so be it. Go play them. By the way, counter strike Source, the newer one, has replaced the original for all but the poorest players.
http://unity3d.com/webplayer/hwstats/pages/web-2008Q3-shadergen.html looks like about 2% of the people that play games use SM1 still. SM1 is the 8 track of computer gaming.
that right? well guess what; counterstrike source works on shader model 1.1
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brinelan
Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:39:00 -
[96]
Wasnt there a huge graphic "ad" that popped up on the login screen about this?
Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield. |
Imaos
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:39:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Cloue Will a GeForce FX 5500 work fine with premium lite?
Cause im a computer newb...
Yes. Geforce 5xxx work.
Imaos ------------------------------------------
Originally by: NoNah
My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari. |
Vargrh
Gallente Quasar Fleet
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:39:00 -
[98]
Originally by: isometricantaliac
People need to remember that although it is CCP's way forward to drop support for the lower end clients doing so is going to affect a lot of players & with the current $$$ issues around the world not many of those are going to be able to run out and spend $$$$ on a card to play a game they have already paid to play.
I think CCP may be taking a big gamble in the dropping of the classic client for the re-launch of a retail version/expansion, & that it is very possible they may end up loosing more players than they gain with this new direction.
I guess they have probably considered what they will be able to do if the dropping of the classic client causes the loss of too many paying accounts (won't say customers cause some have multiple accounts) & whether it would then be too late to get those players back is another thing.
There are a few other space based Genre MMO's coming soon so maybe they will support the lower end cards....
There I was thinking the retail release of Eve CCP have planned to coincide with the Apocrypha distribution was to get more people playing this game, I should have been more cyncical and seen it for what it was, revenue protection. They are effectively touting for new players to take the place of those who will be unable to play post patch.
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Traderboz
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:39:00 -
[99]
The potential problem comes when/if they raise the minimum requirements even further. A lot of laptops just use onboard video and there's no way to just simply upgrade your graphics card on a laptop. While shader 2 might not be a problem for 99.x% of users, they've talked about raising it to shader 3 by next winter, and that could really present a problem for a lot of people.
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Kaisergeist
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:39:00 -
[100]
I don't know if someone has said it yet but CCP has said why they chose to drop sm1.
For CCP to make an expansion in the past they had to make all the new additions 2x. As in all new ships/stations/etc.. had to be modeled for the classic environment (with much less poly and textures) and a again for the Premium with the full scale graphics. This work flow costed CCP time and resources that could be better spent on better things. It makes complete sense to make the new Lite client that uses sm2 and scales the textures lower res. This means one work flow for all new graphical content.
A new card that supports sm2 is dirt cheap, but I understand many people don't have extra cash laying around. Maybe those that are running 2-5 extra accounts will need to drop a few for a month or to to buy that new card.
I think CCP did the right thing.
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prefectro
Minmatar Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:40:00 -
[101]
Edited by: prefectro on 10/03/2009 15:40:25 Though I agree that they needed to up the standard, I also agree with the OP that CCP did not do enough to make this change in hardware clear enough for people. I personally run Eve on two computers. My main one is for PVP and the other is for my alts/logistics. This is my crappy computer, but luckily I have a Radeon 9600 card. Phew.
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Daemon Christian
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:40:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Daemon Christian on 10/03/2009 15:41:06 It's fun to note all the sad folks here who can't afford new graphics cards get butchered by the spoiled little brats who can. Go get a job you say? I'm afraid that in some places, Iceland in particular, things just aren't that simple.
Perhaps some of you should read the news?
Anyway, I don't have a card with shadermodel2 either, though I knew about the changes. Was rather hoping I'd not have so many living expenses by the time this happened, but it looks like I'm going to have to let my account lapse for a while until things get better. I'll be back, though.
EDIT: whoops, said shadermodel1 instead of 2.
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Yayoi Tan
FACTION Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:40:00 -
[103]
Originally by: EmpressShiva Newflash, this just in: You can't just stuff an 8800 into a videocard slot and expect it to work. Most of these people have computers that either feature agp or onboard.
Just happens to be that it's not very hard to find an AGP card with Pixel Shader 3.0 support either, and for a VERY little cost, if you even want to go as far as second hand you can get a gcard to play this game very well for as little as 10$.
The ones who are in trouble however is peoples playing on laptops. There is very little they can do in the end.
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Fifenren
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:41:00 -
[104]
You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0.
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Empress Aurora
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:41:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Chronos Chi
Never really checked but pretty sure Eve dosent support sli which is essential what a 295 is. Never tried with dual monitor so maybe if you had second account, in the graphics options you could differentiate between the 2 cards and therefore seperate monitors to display said accounts?
regards,
Chronos
Thx Chronos
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:42:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0.
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EmpressShiva
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:42:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Yayoi Tan
Originally by: EmpressShiva Newflash, this just in: You can't just stuff an 8800 into a videocard slot and expect it to work. Most of these people have computers that either feature agp or onboard.
Just happens to be that it's not very hard to find an AGP card with Pixel Shader 3.0 support either, and for a VERY little cost, if you even want to go as far as second hand you can get a gcard to play this game very well for as little as 10$.
The ones who are in trouble however is peoples playing on laptops. There is very little they can do in the end.
Both very true; but i'm not speaking for myself. I'm running a mid (low now) 8600. expecting people to know what shader models and agp cards are in gaming is a stretch imo.
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MajorMeatball
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:43:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0.
For the monies I would spend on a highend laptop to play eve, I could build two desktops that would play eve maxed out!
Meat
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Suboran
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:43:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Cloue Will a GeForce FX 5500 work fine with premium lite?
Cause im a computer newb...
it will work but dont count on spectacular performance
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brinelan
Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:43:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Traderboz The potential problem comes when/if they raise the minimum requirements even further. A lot of laptops just use onboard video and there's no way to just simply upgrade your graphics card on a laptop. While shader 2 might not be a problem for 99.x% of users, they've talked about raising it to shader 3 by next winter, and that could really present a problem for a lot of people.
I believe they updated this saying they werent going to sm3 in the winter not long after that devblog you mentioned.
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Fifenren
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:43:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Fifenren on 10/03/2009 15:44:11
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:43:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Daemon Christian Edited by: Daemon Christian on 10/03/2009 15:41:06 It's fun to note all the sad folks here who can't afford new graphics cards get butchered by the spoiled little brats who can. Go get a job you say? I'm afraid that in some places, Iceland in particular, things just aren't that simple.
Perhaps some of you should read the news?
Anyway, I don't have a card with shadermodel2 either, though I knew about the changes. Was rather hoping I'd not have so many living expenses by the time this happened, but it looks like I'm going to have to let my account lapse for a while until things get better. I'll be back, though.
EDIT: whoops, said shadermodel1 instead of 2.
Well, a SM 2.0 card if not in a laptop is DIRT CHEAP these days, as are most cards based around SEVEN YEAR OLD tech. Even a single month of lapse should help boost your account enough to afford one. ---- zzzz ... zzzz ... zzzz |
Fifenren
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:43:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Fifenren
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0.
You're an idiot :D
You're an idiot who bought a laptop thinking it's for gaming. :D
Laptop = not for gaming, go ask Nvidia and ATI.
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Emorius
Woopatang Primary.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:44:00 -
[114]
Ah man im sorry but i laugh when i hear these complaints. If you seriously cant spend a measly $20, yes measly, thats nothing for a bare minumum card that can play the game, then you got issues. Were talking Gefore 5200, 6200 craptastic cards too, if you must play at the lowest of the low in quality and performance.
And you mean to tell me in 3-5 years of eve's time you could not save $20 at least to buy a better card? Sorry its not money issue, its ignorance, or just lazy lazy.
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brinelan
Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:44:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0.
All game companies that I have seen also say laptops aren't supported, probably for this very reason.
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Xianthar
STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Chronos Chi
Never really checked but pretty sure Eve dosent support sli which is essential what a 295 is. Never tried with dual monitor so maybe if you had second account, in the graphics options you could differentiate between the 2 cards and therefore seperate monitors to display said accounts?
regards,
Chronos
been a long time since game support was required for SLI man....like, voodoo2 days
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EmpressShiva
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:45:00 -
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laptops work fine for gaming; my friends have been doing it for years. just make sure the laptop you buy has a videocard, just like a desktop. its not any different.
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Anyura
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Anyura on 10/03/2009 15:45:57
Originally by: MajorMeatball
Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0.
For the monies I would spend on a highend laptop to play eve, I could build two desktops that would play eve maxed out!
Meat
/lovingly caresses her new Alienware M17 laptop.
/worries whether the twin Radeon HD 3870 Crossfire chipsets will play EvE
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:45:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 10/03/2009 15:46:09
Originally by: Fifenren
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0.
You're an idiot :D
You're an ungrateful cheap *** who bought a laptop thinking it's for gaming. :D
Actually, my laptop is four years old but can run even full premium (not WELL, but it can). The best part is, it's even expressly NOT for gaming - yay, NVIDIA Quadro card.
You're an idiot who thinks that people shouldn't be upset that their laptops don't support old technology. I fully understand why they're irked at the new changes, as Eve was likely accessible because it DIDN'T require a rig capable of playing Crysis. Still, these days pretty much ANY value laptop can run SM 2.0 programs (because it's seven years old). LRN2PC. ---- zzzz ... zzzz ... zzzz |
Blonde TheBuilder
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:46:00 -
[120]
Originally by: EmpressShiva
Originally by: Blonde TheBuilder
Originally by: EmpressShiva Edited by: EmpressShiva on 10/03/2009 15:28:32
Originally by: Blonde TheBuilder by discontinuing SM1 CCP is probably killing many players with 5 accounts on crappy puters that do nothing but run macro miners anyway.
Name one game today that will run on an 8 year old card that is still mainstream today! Considering that, CCP has gone above and beyond by supporting the classic client for as long as they did. I've seen computers at the gargabe dump that support SM2! Go cash your welfare check and buy a new video card.
I guess they will have to take the 2% hit and lose poeple like you in the process. It's a Win Win. Go play WoW Fruity. Counterstrike, teamfortress, infantry, quake 3, battlefield 1942 ..... another good mention is World of warcraft, 8 million players or something, yes?
If you would like to be left in the dust with those games then so be it. Go play them. By the way, counter strike Source, the newer one, has replaced the original for all but the poorest players.
http://unity3d.com/webplayer/hwstats/pages/web-2008Q3-shadergen.html looks like about 2% of the people that play games use SM1 still. SM1 is the 8 track of computer gaming.
that right? well guess what; counterstrike source works on shader model 1.1
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Rebus Valstay
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Veritas Falx ...AGP List on Newegg...
Oh. That Sapphire 3650 looks nice. That and a slightly beefed up PSU would take me out of the stone age. Granted, my computer will still run EvE with the new requirements without any upgrades just just barely. ;o
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Daemon Christian
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:48:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Daemon Christian Edited by: Daemon Christian on 10/03/2009 15:41:06 It's fun to note all the sad folks here who can't afford new graphics cards get butchered by the spoiled little brats who can. Go get a job you say? I'm afraid that in some places, Iceland in particular, things just aren't that simple.
Perhaps some of you should read the news?
Anyway, I don't have a card with shadermodel2 either, though I knew about the changes. Was rather hoping I'd not have so many living expenses by the time this happened, but it looks like I'm going to have to let my account lapse for a while until things get better. I'll be back, though.
EDIT: whoops, said shadermodel1 instead of 2.
Well, a SM 2.0 card if not in a laptop is DIRT CHEAP these days, as are most cards based around SEVEN YEAR OLD tech. Even a single month of lapse should help boost your account enough to afford one.
Well, for one thing, the problem is more than just the card. I have a very old rig. Also, I am currently unemployed and actively seeking employment. Also, I paid for EVE with GTC/PLEX through isk.
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Fifenren
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Fifenren on 10/03/2009 15:49:41
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 10/03/2009 15:46:09
Originally by: Fifenren
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0.
You're an idiot :D
You're an ungrateful cheap *** who bought a laptop thinking it's for gaming. :D
Actually, my laptop is four years old but can run even full premium (not WELL, but it can). The best part is, it's even expressly NOT for gaming - yay, NVIDIA Quadro card.
You're an idiot who thinks that people shouldn't be upset that their laptops don't support old technology. I fully understand why they're irked at the new changes, as Eve was likely accessible because it DIDN'T require a rig capable of playing Crysis. Still, these days pretty much ANY value laptop can run SM 2.0 programs (because it's seven years old). LRN2PC.
Wow, go read more, Laptops are not supported for Gaming and most laptops aren't created with Gaming in mind, if you Game on a laptop and run into problems, you have no right to complain.
Stop twisting my words, nowhere did I say that a laptop can't game, I said they shouldn't be gaming.
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Yayoi Tan
FACTION Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:48:00 -
[124]
Well a fast list
For Nivida Anything older then Geforce FX series will not run this game. For ATI anything older then ATI 9500 will not run the game ( Except: R300) For Intel anything older then 900 will not run the game.
Then there is granted more companies making graphic cards but the list above should cover at least 99% of you guys out there. Pretty much if you have an comp newer then 5 years old you should be fine, Laptops could be a bit more trickier however.
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Kimota
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:48:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 10/03/2009 15:46:09
Originally by: Fifenren
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0.
You're an idiot :D
You're an ungrateful cheap *** who bought a laptop thinking it's for gaming. :D
Actually, my laptop is four years old but can run even full premium (not WELL, but it can). The best part is, it's even expressly NOT for gaming - yay, NVIDIA Quadro card.
You're an idiot who thinks that people shouldn't be upset that their laptops don't support old technology. I fully understand why they're irked at the new changes, as Eve was likely accessible because it DIDN'T require a rig capable of playing Crysis. Still, these days pretty much ANY value laptop can run SM 2.0 programs (because it's seven years old). LRN2PC.
Finally! Someone who's not just flaming people for being too cheap to spend hundreds of dollars/euros on a new system, and sees that some people may have been playing Eve precisely because it was accessible on a laptop. Well done that man.
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MajorMeatball
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:48:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 10/03/2009 15:46:09
Originally by: Fifenren
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0.
You're an idiot :D
You're an ungrateful cheap *** who bought a laptop thinking it's for gaming. :D
Actually, my laptop is four years old but can run even full premium (not WELL, but it can). The best part is, it's even expressly NOT for gaming - yay, NVIDIA Quadro card.
You're an idiot who thinks that people shouldn't be upset that their laptops don't support old technology. I fully understand why they're irked at the new changes, as Eve was likely accessible because it DIDN'T require a rig capable of playing Crysis. Still, these days pretty much ANY value laptop can run SM 2.0 programs (because it's seven years old). LRN2PC.
Crysis criples my machine, even with SLI. But I do run eve maxed out.
Meat
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marshal123
SpaceBalls Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:48:00 -
[127]
I would recommend to any requiring a new graphics card they go to "RL SUPPLIES", they provide next day delivery up to 5 pm i believe for uk and are very competively priced. There is a phone number on there site and you can ask advice based on your machine and what card you would need to meet minimum specs for eve now. I have bought all my pc and accsessories from these people for the last couple of years now and never had an issue just google them ;-)
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:50:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Veritas Falx
PCI
Quote:
Just to put the price in perspective, I went to newegg and selected graphics cards in the price range $10-$25 and every single one was SM2 capable, or better. Granted the only AGP card on the list was in that price range because it was an open box, but really the desktop PC users have nothing to worry about.
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Amida Ta
German Mining and Manufacture Corp.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:50:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Amida Ta on 10/03/2009 15:50:17 If you need something new how about this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131082R 36$ and PCI, so even works with a 10-year old computer. And it even has SM4, so it will run for a few more years... _________________________ EveAI.Live - The EVE-Online API/class library for .Net, C# and VB.Net |
Fifenren
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:53:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Fifenren on 10/03/2009 15:53:48 Edited by: Fifenren on 10/03/2009 15:53:06 Wow there is no telling the ignorant, you complain about your PC/Laptop/Card not running a game or having issues with one, yet your PC/Laptop/Card was made in the stone age, Technology is not gonna sit back and wait for you to upgrade.
Also once again, go ask all the major Game developers and hardware manufacturers, they will tell you what I have said "Most laptops are not meant for gaming and they will not be supported on our game if you have problems, if your lappy runs the game fine then good for you but if you run into a problem, we don't care, get a desktop".
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GambbiT
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:54:00 -
[131]
well i have Gforce 6600 and about 1GB ram and yeah the new eve will probably work when i rat and i am alone in the system , but when i gone want to pvp and will be more then 20-30 people then i will have a massive lag and that gone suck big time i dont have money to upgrade the computer soo for me this new eve premium its a bad thing
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Xianthar
STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:54:00 -
[132]
even my eeePC 901 netbook with GMA950 graphics supports SM2.0, runs eve fine, i wouldn't pvp with it but thats due it a 9" screen. but its a $400 pocket computer after all.
-xian
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Norian Lonark
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.10 15:56:00 -
[133]
This has got to be a joke..... right?
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Korcahn
Gallente Duncorp
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:00:00 -
[134]
EVE on an eeepc makes me /cry.
Mmm...Radeon HD4870, how I love you.... ___________________________________
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brinelan
Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:00:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Norian Lonark This has got to be a joke..... right?
You had to know this was coming when we saw the dev blog(s), login screen ad, the login screen message, and the forum sticky posts and threadnaughts over the last, what, 2 months?
Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield. |
Ichigo Prime
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:04:00 -
[136]
Originally by: EmpressShiva laptops work fine for gaming; my friends have been doing it for years. just make sure the laptop you buy has a videocard, just like a desktop. its not any different.
This is completely misinformed... Laptops, even if the hardware is identical in name, is not identical physically. You'll notice the 'M' after the components, for mobility or whatever it is. Boards in laptops are (somewhat) less powerful than the equivilant boards in desktops. It is unavoidable.
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Kaizer Douken
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:04:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Kelrift I guess there was mention of min. system requirements somewhere in advance of this patch THOUGH I NEVER SAW IT nor was warned ... I was under the assumtion that premuim lite would replace classic eve and not effect graphics for the low end Cards... HA HA jokes on me. I know I need to replace the Radon 9200 (yha it's super old) but was hoping to get buy for a couple more years. I dont think anyone gave it a second thought because all the newer machines come prebuilt with a 2.0 shader. but this 3 year old machine just has the requirments nessasarry, well HAD.... Anyways It should have Been POSTED BIG somewhere not in little tiny subprint ... I was all excited reading all i could and BLAMMMM no more eve ... Whats the Point of the LITE version again?????
Kelrift
The point. <-- It means you should have upgrade your computer long ago regardless what you're doing.
DEV BLOG from Jan 13. <--- Almost 2 months in advance.
If you only have PCI slots, get a GeForce 5200FX.
I recommend getting a new motherboard (with integrated graphics), CPU, RAM, and Power Supply(one that has a 24pin connector)
The integrated graphics now, are more powerful than a 9200 card. I myself had a 9250 PCI card a year ago, and upgraded what I said above. The games run similar in performance and I get shader model 3.0. Afterward I bought an 8800gt and that was the end of upgrading for me.
Originally by: Imran Tam if your sausage looked anything like that, you should have checked the expiration date.
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Imaos
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: GambbiT well i have Gforce 6600 and about 1GB ram and yeah the new eve will probably work when i rat and i am alone in the system , but when i gone want to pvp and will be more then 20-30 people then i will have a massive lag and that gone suck big time i dont have money to upgrade the computer soo for me this new eve premium its a bad thing
If you own a 6600 like my brother it isnt a problem. 6600 is a fine card and the toned down textures wont be a problem unless your harddrive is real slow and so loading the textures for ships will be slow. The other part of the lag wont be fixed with faster hardware.
Imaos ------------------------------------------
Originally by: NoNah
My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari. |
Xianthar
STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:07:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Korcahn EVE on an eeepc makes me /cry.
Mmm...Radeon HD4870, how I love you....
not my only computer m8 and not what i play on most of the time, but i travel a lot and its light and i can change skills on it.
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GambbiT
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:10:00 -
[140]
Edited by: GambbiT on 10/03/2009 16:11:56
Originally by: Imaos
Originally by: GambbiT well i have Gforce 6600 and about 1GB ram and yeah the new eve will probably work when i rat and i am alone in the system , but when i gone want to pvp and will be more then 20-30 people then i will have a massive lag and that gone suck big time i dont have money to upgrade the computer soo for me this new eve premium its a bad thing
If you own a 6600 like my brother it isnt a problem. 6600 is a fine card and the toned down textures wont be a problem unless your harddrive is real slow and so loading the textures for ships will be slow. The other part of the lag wont be fixed with faster hardware.
Imaos
thx for that probabbly in 1-2 mouth i will have th money for a new computer i hope
but right now i have problem downloding the patch it keep saying something about downloading problems and it tells me to retry, uu and i love the download speed , i think by tommorow i will be able to play
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Kaizer Douken
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:11:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Xianthar
Originally by: Korcahn EVE on an eeepc makes me /cry.
Mmm...Radeon HD4870, how I love you....
not my only computer m8 and not what i play on most of the time, but i travel a lot and its light and i can change skills on it.
eePCs with these graphics should be available by the end of the year.
Originally by: Imran Tam if your sausage looked anything like that, you should have checked the expiration date.
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Lombax
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:14:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Kelrift I guess there was mention of min. system requirements somewhere in advance of this patch THOUGH I NEVER SAW IT nor was warned ... I was under the assumtion that premuim lite would replace classic eve and not effect graphics for the low end Cards... HA HA jokes on me. I know I need to replace the Radon 9200 (yha it's super old) but was hoping to get buy for a couple more years. I dont think anyone gave it a second thought because all the newer machines come prebuilt with a 2.0 shader. but this 3 year old machine just has the requirments nessasarry, well HAD.... Anyways It should have Been POSTED BIG somewhere not in little tiny subprint ... I was all excited reading all i could and BLAMMMM no more eve ... Whats the Point of the LITE version again?????
Kelrift
If you would have followed the Alliance Tournament videos and listened to what the developers had to say, you would have known this. :)
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Enden Assulu
Caldari Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:22:00 -
[143]
I like the People with 3 accounts yet, they can't afford a new GFX card.
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Xianthar
STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:30:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Kaizer Douken
Originally by: Xianthar
Originally by: Korcahn EVE on an eeepc makes me /cry.
Mmm...Radeon HD4870, how I love you....
not my only computer m8 and not what i play on most of the time, but i travel a lot and its light and i can change skills on it.
eePCs with these graphics should be available by the end of the year.
performance isn't really the hindrance, its the screen space..
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