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Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
437
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Posted - 2012.04.27 20:18:00 -
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Rich traders get priority. I logged in without issues. Suck it up. Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |

Tore Vest
297
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Posted - 2012.04.27 20:26:00 -
[32] - Quote
Cool... Its easy to pop haulers stuck on Jita gate... No troll. |

Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.04.27 20:29:00 -
[33] - Quote
http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/?action=view¤t=JitaBurns.jpg
that is why lol
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |

Coldfire Trilogy
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 20:35:00 -
[34] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Coldfire Trilogy wrote:Actually, the fact that there's a limited number of people allowed while one system over the restriction ceases to exist means it IS instanced...but, there is only one instance OF Jita. GG*which means it isn't instanced. Instancing happens when you duplicate a location to let more people be in it than the population cap (be it hardwired or dynamically load-balanced) would allow. If only a single copy of a location exists, then it is not instanced. EVE does not support instancing GGv it doesn't exist in the code. There is only one of every system; one of every grid; one of every location, no matter what. The reason we have the current situation is because there is no instancing: no copies of Jita can be made to allow more people to be in that system. The day they start duplicating systems and give us a drop-down to let us select which version of the system we want to be in we can start to talk about instances. Until then, the fact remains: instancing does not exist in EVE.
That's what WoW made instances mean, that's not what the WORD instance means... don't get the two confused. Even GW cities were instanced. Even if there was only one INSTANCE of each one, it was still an instance that multiple people not in a group could all join at the same time, too many people join and it would make a second instance. Eve doesn't allow that second instance and restricts each game area to one singular instance, its still broken up into segments per system ... aka an instance aka not seamless open world hence loading screens between warps etc. : | Not sure how hard that is to comprehend. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1683
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Posted - 2012.04.27 20:43:00 -
[35] - Quote
Coldfire Trilogy wrote:Tippia wrote:Coldfire Trilogy wrote:Actually, the fact that there's a limited number of people allowed while one system over the restriction ceases to exist means it IS instanced...but, there is only one instance OF Jita. GG*which means it isn't instanced. Instancing happens when you duplicate a location to let more people be in it than the population cap (be it hardwired or dynamically load-balanced) would allow. If only a single copy of a location exists, then it is not instanced. EVE does not support instancing GGv it doesn't exist in the code. There is only one of every system; one of every grid; one of every location, no matter what. The reason we have the current situation is because there is no instancing: no copies of Jita can be made to allow more people to be in that system. The day they start duplicating systems and give us a drop-down to let us select which version of the system we want to be in we can start to talk about instances. Until then, the fact remains: instancing does not exist in EVE. That's what WoW made instances mean, that's not what the WORD instance means... don't get the two confused. Even GW cities were instanced. Even if there was only one INSTANCE of each one, it was still an instance that multiple people not in a group could all join at the same time, too many people join and it would make a second instance. Eve doesn't allow that second instance and restricts each game area to one singular instance, its still broken up into segments per system ... aka an instance aka not seamless open world hence loading screens between warps etc. : | Not sure how hard that is to comprehend.
It's easy to comprehend, you are the one that seems to be having trouble in that regard.
Is this seriously the first time you have seen traffic control in the game?
Just because your entrance is delayed slightly does not mean you are locked out, it simply means you need to wait your turn.
You can still go anywhere you wish in EVE and only in rare circumstances will your journey experience any delay, whatever you do in any location can be seen and interacted with by every other player in the game, and there are no seperate identical mirrors for other groups of players (outside of China, but thats a legal issue not a game design issue).
Stop parroting what trolls are saying in other threads. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
366
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Posted - 2012.04.27 20:48:00 -
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Col Arran wrote:This is unacceptable, I am not able to log into the Jita system because it is unable to accept new connections. This is 100% unacceptable and is affecting my experience.
I wanted to log into Jita to get some trading done in these times of trouble but guess what? I can't. I expect a resolution immediately, CCP had more than enough time to sufficiently reinforce the Jita node and they did not. Also I do not care if it is merely a political statement, for the lulz or whatever.
6. CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game.
1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.
Stated here plain and clear if the system is unable to accept new connections then I would say that is an unreasonable or disproportionately large load.
Goon alt complains about not being able to log in due to Goon shenanigans. Story at 6. I love flying titans in Jita, setting bubbles in Rens,-aor firing off bombs from my stealth bomber-ain Dodixie!-a Just think, if Eve wasn't a sandbox, none of this would be possible! |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
42
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Posted - 2012.04.27 20:53:00 -
[37] - Quote
I bet the OP whines to the cops and city council when he gets stuck in traffic, too. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1686
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Posted - 2012.04.27 20:57:00 -
[38] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:I bet the OP whines to the cops and city council when he gets stuck in traffic, too.
Yes, because that means someone has instanced the real world, which is grossly unfair. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Josef Djugashvilis
121
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:01:00 -
[39] - Quote
Col Arran wrote:This is unacceptable, I am not able to log into the Jita system because it is unable to accept new connections. This is 100% unacceptable and is affecting my experience.
I wanted to log into Jita to get some trading done in these times of trouble but guess what? I can't. I expect a resolution immediately, CCP had more than enough time to sufficiently reinforce the Jita node and they did not. Also I do not care if it is merely a political statement, for the lulz or whatever.
6. CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game.
1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.
Stated here plain and clear if the system is unable to accept new connections then I would say that is an unreasonable or disproportionately large load.
You have being playing Eve long enough to not post utter tosh like this.
Please stop. You want fries with that? |

TRUE ZER0
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:01:00 -
[40] - Quote
No OP is right if Eve can't handle the volume they should stop selling subscriptions. Maybe spend a little less time on the forums harassing customers and a little more time fixing the game.
And don't give that shat about GM's not being Devs or whatever. If they can't fix the game fire them and fire someone who can. |
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Coldfire Trilogy
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:02:00 -
[41] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Coldfire Trilogy wrote:Tippia wrote:Coldfire Trilogy wrote:Actually, the fact that there's a limited number of people allowed while one system over the restriction ceases to exist means it IS instanced...but, there is only one instance OF Jita. GG*which means it isn't instanced. Instancing happens when you duplicate a location to let more people be in it than the population cap (be it hardwired or dynamically load-balanced) would allow. If only a single copy of a location exists, then it is not instanced. EVE does not support instancing GGv it doesn't exist in the code. There is only one of every system; one of every grid; one of every location, no matter what. The reason we have the current situation is because there is no instancing: no copies of Jita can be made to allow more people to be in that system. The day they start duplicating systems and give us a drop-down to let us select which version of the system we want to be in we can start to talk about instances. Until then, the fact remains: instancing does not exist in EVE. That's what WoW made instances mean, that's not what the WORD instance means... don't get the two confused. Even GW cities were instanced. Even if there was only one INSTANCE of each one, it was still an instance that multiple people not in a group could all join at the same time, too many people join and it would make a second instance. Eve doesn't allow that second instance and restricts each game area to one singular instance, its still broken up into segments per system ... aka an instance aka not seamless open world hence loading screens between warps etc. : | Not sure how hard that is to comprehend. It's easy to comprehend, you are the one that seems to be having trouble in that regard. Is this seriously the first time you have seen traffic control in the game? Just because your entrance is delayed slightly does not mean you are locked out, it simply means you need to wait your turn. You can still go anywhere you wish in EVE and only in rare circumstances will your journey experience any delay, whatever you do in any location can be seen and interacted with by every other player in the game, and there are no seperate identical mirrors for other groups of players (outside of China, but thats a legal issue not a game design issue). Stop parroting what trolls are saying in other threads.
another person who doesnt understand what "instanced" means. I never mentioned a lock out, but the fact that an area can even have crowd control means there is something unique about it, and each system is its own entity separate from the rest. Im not even arguing for or against whats happening, I was merely pointing out how somehow at some point, everyone got this notion in their head that "instance" means separate area for a few people that can be duplicated as many times for multiple parties each identical to the last. All an instance is is a zone segregated (which each system is) from the rest, each one can have its own rules, its own load ins, everything that happens in one instance doesn't carry over to the next (sans economy). You cant fire a missile from one system and 3000 years from now have it hit another system Just like in wow you cant swim from Azeroth to Whatever other continent they have in that game. Each area, although a whole, is segregated from the rest by not only loading screens but also completely independent areas of influence which can be manipulated by CCP to fit stressors placed upon it by the community. I mean heck, CCP even mentioned themselves that they bolstered the hardware Jita is sitting on in preparation for this event ... I give up, fine whatever, the word instance now = WoWs limited scope of the word. Call each system what you want, its still the same thing in spirit. |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1057
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:02:00 -
[42] - Quote
use auto pilot
it bypasses traffic control The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
419
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:05:00 -
[43] - Quote
He probably thinks that everywhere is instanced when he has to queue up outside, only one instance mind you, but still an instance obviously because that's how it works dontcha know, yes.
Quote:Oh noez, I have to wait in line to get in, instanced coffee conspiracy!!!! WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |

Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
419
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:08:00 -
[44] - Quote
Coldfire Trilogy wrote: another person who doesnt understand what "instanced" means.
I think that's you, as we keep pointing out. Get the message yet Daphne? WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |

Blobber NL
G-Spot industries
0
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:12:00 -
[45] - Quote
i passed trough goon blockade, whit a ibis whit 4 caldari navy ballistic control systems, 1 pith A type shield booster, and 1 C type shield amplifier.
They obviously dont check rookie ships. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1686
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:13:00 -
[46] - Quote
Coldfire Trilogy wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Coldfire Trilogy wrote:Tippia wrote:Coldfire Trilogy wrote:Actually, the fact that there's a limited number of people allowed while one system over the restriction ceases to exist means it IS instanced...but, there is only one instance OF Jita. GG*which means it isn't instanced. Instancing happens when you duplicate a location to let more people be in it than the population cap (be it hardwired or dynamically load-balanced) would allow. If only a single copy of a location exists, then it is not instanced. EVE does not support instancing GGv it doesn't exist in the code. There is only one of every system; one of every grid; one of every location, no matter what. The reason we have the current situation is because there is no instancing: no copies of Jita can be made to allow more people to be in that system. The day they start duplicating systems and give us a drop-down to let us select which version of the system we want to be in we can start to talk about instances. Until then, the fact remains: instancing does not exist in EVE. That's what WoW made instances mean, that's not what the WORD instance means... don't get the two confused. Even GW cities were instanced. Even if there was only one INSTANCE of each one, it was still an instance that multiple people not in a group could all join at the same time, too many people join and it would make a second instance. Eve doesn't allow that second instance and restricts each game area to one singular instance, its still broken up into segments per system ... aka an instance aka not seamless open world hence loading screens between warps etc. : | Not sure how hard that is to comprehend. It's easy to comprehend, you are the one that seems to be having trouble in that regard. Is this seriously the first time you have seen traffic control in the game? Just because your entrance is delayed slightly does not mean you are locked out, it simply means you need to wait your turn. You can still go anywhere you wish in EVE and only in rare circumstances will your journey experience any delay, whatever you do in any location can be seen and interacted with by every other player in the game, and there are no seperate identical mirrors for other groups of players (outside of China, but thats a legal issue not a game design issue). Stop parroting what trolls are saying in other threads. another person who doesnt understand what "instanced" means. I never mentioned a lock out, but the fact that an area can even have crowd control means there is something unique about it, and each system is its own entity separate from the rest. Im not even arguing for or against whats happening, I was merely pointing out how somehow at some point, everyone got this notion in their head that "instance" means separate area for a few people that can be duplicated as many times for multiple parties each identical to the last. All an instance is is a zone segregated (which each system is) from the rest, each one can have its own rules, its own load ins, everything that happens in one instance doesn't carry over to the next (sans economy). You cant fire a missile from one system and 3000 years from now have it hit another system Just like in wow you cant swim from Azeroth to Whatever other continent they have in that game. Each area, although a whole, is segregated from the rest by not only loading screens but also completely independent areas of influence which can be manipulated by CCP to fit stressors placed upon it by the community. I mean heck, CCP even mentioned themselves that they bolstered the hardware Jita is sitting on in preparation for this event ... I give up, fine whatever, the word instance now = WoWs limited scope of the word. Call each system what you want, its still the same thing in spirit.
Yes, different area's can have differing conditions, entry points and methods, etc. That does not, and never has (by any definition used in the gaming industry) mean they are "instanced". When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |

Ai Shun
778
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:22:00 -
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Coldfire Trilogy wrote:another person who doesnt understand what "instanced" means.
Quote:I was merely pointing out how somehow at some point, everyone got this notion in their head that "instance" means separate area for a few people that can be duplicated as many times for multiple parties each identical to the last. All an instance is is a zone segregated (which each system is) from the rest ...
Probably because the word "Instance" does not mean what you think it means.
in-+stance/-jinst+Vns/ Noun: An example or single occurrence of something: "an instance of corruption". A particular case: "in this instance".
In gaming terms this is the most commonly accepted usage of instances. Are you not thinking of "zones"? EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
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ISD LoneLynx
Community Communications Liaisons
4

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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:34:00 -
[48] - Quote
Deleted some trolling and personal attacks
While I understand what's currently going on, keep your discussions civil, thanks ISD LoneLynx Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Col Arran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:46:00 -
[49] - Quote
ISD LoneLynx wrote:Deleted some trolling and personal attacks
While I understand what's currently going on, keep your discussions civil, thanks
But that was the whole reason I made this thread, to see the forum PvP :( |

Kalpel
KBM
6
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:50:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Jita has a population cap in place to solve the very issue of server load. If you keep trying to log in you will eventually get there.
NO NO, not according to Jon Lander, senior producer of Eve Online. " "Last night I got an email - Jita was at 2100. Time dilation kicked in at 15 per cent. And there were people just watching the sh*t that was going down. It was brilliant. It was absolutely great." So this is how CCP wants EvE to play out , logging in or out!
read on .... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&t=101940&f=258&q=1204635 You failed to target nothing!-aGkmvGkm online |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6326
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Posted - 2012.04.27 22:42:00 -
[51] - Quote
Coldfire Trilogy wrote:That's what WoW made instances mean, that's not what the WORD instance means... don't get the two confused. GG*but the problem here is that people are using the WORD to mean what it always means in MMO circles, which is the WoW meaning. You are confusing the two when you object to us correcting people who claim that just because they lowered the cap on Jita, the game is suddenly instanced.
No, EVE is still not instanced.
Quote:I never mentioned a lock out You mean aside from saying that GG#the fact that there's a limited number of people allowed while one system over the restriction ceases to exist means it IS instancedGG%. That's pretty much a description of a lock out.
Quote:I was merely pointing out how somehow at some point, everyone got this notion in their head that "instance" means separate area for a few people that can be duplicated as many times for multiple parties each identical to the last GG*because that's what the word means in the context of MMOs. It's the meaning people are referring to when, like the idiots they are, are up in arms about how EVE is somehow GG#instancedGG% just because the Jita pop cap is lowered; when they are complaining that CCP's promise of a non-instanced game is broken; and when they bleat about how EVE is now suddenly like all other MMOs. Even setting aside that nothing has actually changed, the meaning of the word is the same: GG#instancedGG% as in duplicated/copyable locations to work around population limitations and/or to create private rooms.
None of the sort has happened, of course, since EVE does not support instancing. GG#If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GkmvGkm you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GG%
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Sidrat Flush
EntroPrelatial Industria
12
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:40:00 -
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Perramas wrote:I was smart and moved all my sell/buy orders from Jita earlier in the week to one of the other trade hubs. If you knew this was coming and did not make alternate plans you were flat out dumb or just looking for an excuse to cry like a little *****.
Do you think Rens could evolve in to the new Jita? Why didn't I think about doing this? Oh yes because well it's a good idea to be close to the pvp action when you next re-seed the market.
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Raneru
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
47
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:49:00 -
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Col Arran wrote:CCP had more than enough time to sufficiently reinforce the Jita node and they did not.
You can't reinforce a node that is already reinforced permanently...
Its not like you didn't have warning that this was going to happen 
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Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
122
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Posted - 2012.04.28 16:36:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Jita isn't the only system in the game, if it was then you'd have a point, but it's not. If Jita is where you and your ships are, it is the only system in the game to login at. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |

Sister Rhode
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.04.28 17:50:00 -
[55] - Quote
Col Arran wrote:This is unacceptable, I am not able to log into the Jita system because it is unable to accept new connections. This is 100% unacceptable and is affecting my experience.
I wanted to log into Jita to get some trading done in these times of trouble but guess what? I can't. I expect a resolution immediately, CCP had more than enough time to sufficiently reinforce the Jita node and they did not. Also I do not care if it is merely a political statement, for the lulz or whatever.
6. CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game.
1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.
Stated here plain and clear if the system is unable to accept new connections then I would say that is an unreasonable or disproportionately large load.
Controlling YOUR game. |

Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.04.28 20:06:00 -
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Radelix Cisko wrote:Go to perimeter and trade there. You will still have access to the Jita market. Logistics might be difficult tho.
Also if you havent heard Jita is a sh*t show right now. and for RP purposes it would be entirely understandable that the police would shut down access to area.
Would you whine to the police in your town that you can't get to a certain block when there is a riot there and they closed it off?
If I wanted to join the riot...yes :P |

MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
288
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Posted - 2012.04.28 20:22:00 -
[57] - Quote
Took four whole tries to get in. (less than two minutes total).
mmmm. warm popcorn. I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
634
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Posted - 2012.04.28 22:32:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:If Jita is where you and your ships are, it is the only system in the game to login at. Sounds like someone failed to plan for something they knew was going to happen.
Sounds like ALOT of people failed to plan. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Jacob Stiller
The Scope Gallente Federation
1296
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Posted - 2012.04.28 22:49:00 -
[59] - Quote
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Jita isn't the only system in the game, if it was then you'd have a point, but it's not. If Jita is where you and your ships are, it is the only system in the game to login at.
False. If you try to log into a toon located in Jita at a time when Jita is "full," you and the ship you logged out in will be given the option to spawn in a neighboring system.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3536
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:09:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:Jita has a population cap in place to solve the very issue of server load. If you keep trying to log in you will eventually get there. This is good. I can see other businesses trying this. "We took your money, so just keep trying to get in the game!"
You realise that server queues are normal practice? And that the OP is perfectly able to log in, just not into one specific place in the game out of ~7500 systems.
Also: People ITT who have no idea what an "instance" in an MMO is. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-ahttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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