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TheAssassin
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: TheAssassin on 11/03/2009 12:24:21 I would like 2 propose a change of DT (DownTime), as we in all of Europe get 11-12PM DT (n 12-1pm), i think that is very very bad, why dont u make DT in like 7-8AM or something like that, or even 3-4AM, 4-5AM, after all we all r PAYING for this, this is not free game, so i think u MUST change DT, its really annoyin!
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Ivy Scorn
Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: TheAssassin Edited by: TheAssassin on 11/03/2009 12:24:21 I would like 2 propose a change of DT (DownTime)
What, man 2 downtimes? NO!
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R4d1o4ct1v3
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:39:00 -
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EVE is played all over the world. Even tho changing the downtime might suit you, it will just create the same problem for somebody else somewhere else.
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Zaknussem
Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:50:00 -
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You're whining about downtime being at a bad time...in Europe?
Previously I thought this was an exclusive field of tears for Australian players, as DT hits them in the evening, prime gaming time.
If you're so unhappy, move to America. They get DT in the early morning (eastern half) or in the middle of the night (western half). |
Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.03.11 12:55:00 -
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Might I suggest a little reading on Timezones?
Downtime has to fulfill the following requirements:
Between 9am and 5pm UK time as getting support outwith those hours would be expensive for CCP as long as they use a UK based datacentre. Between 9am and 5pm Icelandic as nobody wants to work nights if they can help it. Affect the minimum number of people.
The current downtime does this well. 11-12 means that most people in Europe will be out at work and/or school whilst the server is down. Most Americans should be in their bed or thinking about it.
Middle East, Asia & Australasia have it pretty bad, but I get the impression that most subscribers are EU/US timezone based. ---
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:19:00 -
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Man, you could/should have known that up front. EVE's downtime is not exactly a secret.
Apart from that - what the others said. Don't you have anything to do at lunchtime? I mean, it's one hour. Make yourself some food, do the dishes, or whatever.
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mal1coy
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Posted - 2009.03.11 13:25:00 -
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some1 drag the OP back to the thread plz
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CherniyVolk
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:24:00 -
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I wish they could get rid of DT. Guild Wars and WoW doesn't seem to have DT in any fashion similar to eve.
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: CherniyVolk I wish they could get rid of DT. Guild Wars and WoW doesn't seem to have DT in any fashion similar to eve.
They are not real games anyways, so you can't compare them with Eve.
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Rydianna
Caldari Receptifs Exiles Peragus Mining Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.11 15:31:00 -
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Well the DT do not bother me much because in France DT is between 12 to 13 and that's the lunch time :p.
WoW got a weekley maintenance every wednesdays, though GW don't have any, both does not work in the same way. GW works only with instances, WoW with instances and respawning scripts. But both cannot have their world changed by players, unlike EVE. I guess DT is helpful for CCP to recalculate modified standings, belts, POS etc ... "Let the wookie win" |
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Rudolf Miller
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 16:38:00 -
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Don't move it to 0300-0400... us USTZ players will get bonerated :(
And don't even mention the current DT to the Auzzies... theyre already very mad
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Imertu Solientai
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Posted - 2009.03.11 17:08:00 -
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I wud like 2 maek cleer tht u fail @ inglish, nd tht ur ideas sux. peeps frm al ovr t3h wrld paly EVE, n sugestnig tht sum of dem r mor dseervnig of paly tme thn uvers iz bodrerilne raicsm. Ad 2 ths teh fct tht CCP liv in a countree wth GMT tme (or ver abouts), n it maeks cense fr dem 2 hav dwntme wile dey r awake so dey can prefrom mantainance.
PS: Sorry for the affront to the English language. It was almost as hard to write like this as it is to read text written like this.
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shady trader
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Posted - 2009.03.11 19:38:00 -
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This idea get raised at least 1 a month. Downtime is set to be the best time for CCP. Its the middle of there working day so they have time to make sure everything is ready (patches etc) before and and then bounce the servers a couple of times in the afternoon, if they make a mistake before heading to the nearest cache of beer at the end of the day. Macrointel, the place were the nature order of the universe does not hold sway. Pirates and ore thief's are congratulated by carebears for the actions. |
z0de
Gallente The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.03.11 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: TheAssassin Edited by: TheAssassin on 11/03/2009 12:24:21 I would like 2 propose a change of DT (DownTime), as we in all of Europe get 11-12PM DT (n 12-1pm), i think that is very very bad, why dont u make DT in like 7-8AM or something like that, or even 3-4AM, 4-5AM, after all we all r PAYING for this, this is not free game, so i think u MUST change DT, its really annoyin!
What are you doing playing eve at lunchtime, get a job ya bum. Euros have one of the best downtimes imo. á á
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TheAssassin
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zaknussem You're whining about downtime being at a bad time...in Europe?
Previously I thought this was an exclusive field of tears for Australian players, as DT hits them in the evening, prime gaming time.
If you're so unhappy, move to America. They get DT in the early morning (eastern half) or in the middle of the night (western half).
LOL, NEVER!
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TheAssassin
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cedric Diggory Might I suggest a little reading on Timezones?
Downtime has to fulfill the following requirements:
Between 9am and 5pm UK time as getting support outwith those hours would be expensive for CCP as long as they use a UK based datacentre. Between 9am and 5pm Icelandic as nobody wants to work nights if they can help it. Affect the minimum number of people.
The current downtime does this well. 11-12 means that most people in Europe will be out at work and/or school whilst the server is down. Most Americans should be in their bed or thinking about it.
Middle East, Asia & Australasia have it pretty bad, but I get the impression that most subscribers are EU/US timezone based.
Im just talking bout that, why they MUST work 9am-5pm? WoW have once a week DT, from 3 or 5am u know, so its not MANDATORY to have it in work time, they can change it dont they? And i'm at work :P
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TheAssassin
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:34:00 -
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What are you doing playing eve at lunchtime, get a job ya bum. Euros have one of the best downtimes imo.
U all have lunchtime at 11am!?!? And i'm AT job u BUM!
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TheAssassin
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: CherniyVolk I wish they could get rid of DT. Guild Wars and WoW doesn't seem to have DT in any fashion similar to eve.
Yeah thats idea also, 2 have it rarely, like every 3-4 days or so, dont know, just propose.
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Iboku Kaeane
Amarr Ero Guro DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.12 11:36:00 -
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So, since you're at work, why are you playing eve?, If i were you'r boss you'd have plenty of time to play eve if i caught you doing that during the work hours.
Now, I'm danish, and i don't have a job, why doesn't matter, but there's a good reason. Still, the DT isn't bad for me, i think it's good placed as it is, and most europeans as formerly mentioned in the thread are at work or school, and NOT wasting their employers money playing games during work hours, at the time of DT. ----------------------------------------------
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Jack TheSlayer
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Jack TheSlayer on 12/03/2009 12:05:30 Edited by: Jack TheSlayer on 12/03/2009 12:03:16
Originally by: TheAssassin
Originally by: CherniyVolk I wish they could get rid of DT. Guild Wars and WoW doesn't seem to have DT in any fashion similar to eve.
Yeah thats idea also, 2 have it rarely, like every 3-4 days or so, dont know, just propose.
only reason it like that is cause they do all maintenance on servers while updating em and that means there servers are offline for 10+ hours to do that but here with CCP u only get 4-5 hours update becoz of all the daily downtimes. look at the differences daily downtime better then weekly
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Sleepkevert
Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: TheAssassin Im just talking bout that, why they MUST work 9am-5pm? WoW have once a week DT, from 3 or 5am u know, so its not MANDATORY to have it in work time, they can change it dont they? And i'm at work :P
I hate to be the messenger but, gb2WoW...
Wow has multiple servers per continent, they can plan downtime in sleeptimes because they don't need to service all the timezones from one server.
As for WHY they must work at 9-5pm? I'll just leave you thinking about that. _
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David Grogan
Gallente The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:36:00 -
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i live in ireland and i think dt is fine the way it is
no need for change SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
TheAssassin
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Posted - 2009.03.13 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Iboku Kaeane So, since you're at work, why are you playing eve?, If i were you'r boss you'd have plenty of time to play eve if i caught you doing that during the work hours.
Now, I'm danish, and i don't have a job, why doesn't matter, but there's a good reason. Still, the DT isn't bad for me, i think it's good placed as it is, and most europeans as formerly mentioned in the thread are at work or school, and NOT wasting their employers money playing games during work hours, at the time of DT.
Because i can, i'm owner of Internet Cafe :P
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IIISAAC
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Posted - 2009.03.13 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: IIISAAC on 13/03/2009 11:53:09 what if we¦d cut down time into half, and put them 12 hours away from each other(for example), like let¦s say theres downtime from from 11.00-11-30, then there¦s another one let¦s say 6.00-6.30 or so, you anyway get the point, right?
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Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.13 11:58:00 -
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awww, bubby. i get it at 8:30-9:30 (+1 hour during daylight saving). i.e. right when ive finished dinner and am ready to sit down to some serious gaming.
deal with it. go make some lunch.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: IIISAAC Edited by: IIISAAC on 13/03/2009 11:53:09 what if we¦d cut down time into half, and put them 12 hours away from each other(for example), like let¦s say theres downtime from from 11.00-11-30, then there¦s another one let¦s say 6.00-6.30 or so, you anyway get the point, right?
some things are not divisible.
down time is like an integer. either you do all the maintenance necessary, or the excersize is worthless. you cant have .5 of a downtime. either you do all the work needed, and have 1 downtime, or you dont do all the work needed, and you start getting hiccups on the server and have to take it down again to fix the hiccups, meaning the downtime you just did was worth 0.
ive played the game long enough to see what happens when they bodge a downtime. its happen about 10 or 12 times over my playing time, they rush the DT for whatever reason, and people get desynced, and contracts mysteriously vanish, and sovereignty doesn't update etc.
and they have to take the whole thing down for several hours to fix up all the problems.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.03.13 17:30:00 -
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I work during DT, and really, it's one hour a day. One measly little hour. Go have lunch, spend some time with your family or girlfriend, have a walk. Do you HAVE to sit glued to your screen 24 hours a day? There is a world out there, you know. ----- Why doesn't anyone ever read the forums before posting? EVE is a game of adaptation and planning. Adapt or die. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.03.13 17:43:00 -
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Downtime is oddly enough dictated by when the people responsible for work on server and database are available and awake. Add the global audience and there will always be someone who will hate whatever time it is done (Aussies get DT right when they get home from work and have time to actually play I think)
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.03.13 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: CCP John Proctor
I think I can aswer this question as I am usually the one doing the down times
EVE is a rather large game running on a large server cluster comprising of 2 "farms" You have your proxy servers that you directly connect to, then you have your sol servers where your session is directed too and where all your interactions are carried out at (flying around in space etc...)
We have server processes that run as services on these boxes and are constnatly generating logs and consuming resources on the box, and restarting these services clears there memory and allows us to save there generated logs.
Normally our down times in the past were 20 minutes with Tuesdays and Thursdays reserved for maintiance. But with a larger customer base the needs for maintiance has grown and we have 1 hour downtimes now Monday through Friday and stay with the normal 20 minute downtimes during the weekend.
Now why does maintiance need 1 hour you ask? For 20 minutes of every downtime we have downtime jobs that run. These jobs do everything from reseeding asteriods (there are millions of them) too cleaning up space by deleting corpses (I shed a tear everytime a corpse gets deleted ) to clearing out old logs, deploying outposts, and conducting statistical gathering...
While the server crunches the numbers we do not conduct any normal maintiance as we dont want to lock tables and interfere with the normal downtime jobs so our maintiance must occur outside of this 20 minute window.
Maintiance that needs to be done includes defragmenting the index's that we have on our database... (with over 150 million transactions per day that leads to quite a bit of logical fragmentation) We also delete junkyards on a constant basis... We have designed EvE so that when you get your ship blown up or you refine your ore or you delete an item in your hanger those items are not deleted but instead moved to a junkyard, in this way it allows our Customer Support staff to easily give your items back or allows us to see if something abnormal is happening.
But we need to manually delete junkyards that are more then a month old, with over 30 thousand people constantly logged in every day, with over 100 thousand unique users logged in every day those are a lot of items that are created and deleted every day that accumulate over time.
This is only a tip of the ice berg if what we do during these downtimes but we are trying to create ways to eliminate these and have maintiance done dynamicly as needed automaticly by the system.
In the words of our Cheif Operating Officer here at CCP "I want no downtimes... make it happen!"
From here --- Life altering changes, to combat the acts of a extreme minority... means you're letting the terrorists win. "Players don't want Variety. They want THE BEST" |
Iracham
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.13 18:50:00 -
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In addition to this being a terrible idea, this thread also contributes heavily to me wanting to stab people in the face for mangling the english language.
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